A HUGE breakthrough in GAMING!!!! 144000 Soldiers on screen!!!

As the people that played the game will know Medieval 2 Total War allows you to control 20 units of 150 solider each...making a 3000 army that can participate in a battle of 8 generals making a total of 24000...

Now if you think that 24000 is huge listen to this:

The expansion of M2TW called Kingdoms that comes in August will allow us to control multiple armies through tabs!!!!

And this is what a developer stated on the TWC forums:

"The Control multiple armies feature is extremely cool. This lets you send orders to the generals of the reinforcement armies to carry out commands. You can select the armies via the 'army tabs'. I was watching Palamedes control 6 reinforcement armies in a siege battle last week! Very cool stuff."

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1628908#post1628908 

Now even if 6 armies is the top of what one can control (it might be just limited by the hardware) if 8 people control 6 armies each that makes:

144,000 soldiers on screen.... :shock:

 So Crytek youre not alone...

144,000 of cloned ants !!! Wow!!!turgore

Great more canon fodder, stop the presses on that breakthrough :roll:

I'm starting to think less enemies on the screen the better, I would rather have a complex small set of enemies than a large relatively stupid group of enemies doing hive tactics.

Great more canon fodder, stop the presses on that breakthrough :roll:

I'm starting to think less enemies on the screen the better, I would rather have a complex small set of enemies than a large relatively stupid group of enemies doing hive tactics.

-RPGamer-

Great more canon fodder, stop the presses on that breakthrough :roll:

I'm starting to think less enemies on the screen the better, I would rather have a complex small set of enemies than a large relatively stupid group of enemies doing hive tactics.

-RPGamer-

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

Great more canon fodder, stop the presses on that breakthrough :roll:

I'm starting to think less enemies on the screen the better, I would rather have a complex small set of enemies than a large relatively stupid group of enemies doing hive tactics.

cobrax25

I understand the type of game, I don't think giving me all these addition units helps the concept. I can flank with smaller groups too.

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

Great more canon fodder, stop the presses on that breakthrough :roll:

I'm starting to think less enemies on the screen the better, I would rather have a complex small set of enemies than a large relatively stupid group of enemies doing hive tactics.

foxhound_fox

:| I like RTS titles, you don't need hundred of thousands of units to make these games good/great. More units doesn't equate to break throughs in gaming, it's just means you have more processing doing the same exact thing they were doing with smaller units.

Great more canon fodder, stop the presses on that breakthrough :roll:

I'm starting to think less enemies on the screen the better, I would rather have a complex small set of enemies than a large relatively stupid group of enemies doing hive tactics.

-RPGamer-

[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

Great more canon fodder, stop the presses on that breakthrough :roll:

I'm starting to think less enemies on the screen the better, I would rather have a complex small set of enemies than a large relatively stupid group of enemies doing hive tactics.

-RPGamer-

I understand the type of game, I don't think giving me all these addition units helps the concept. I can flank with smaller groups too.

it will also cause huge breakthroughs in lagging the hell out of your compEl_Fanboy

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

Great more canon fodder, stop the presses on that breakthrough :roll:

I'm starting to think less enemies on the screen the better, I would rather have a complex small set of enemies than a large relatively stupid group of enemies doing hive tactics.

cobrax25

I understand the type of game, I don't think giving me all these addition units helps the concept. I can flank with smaller groups too.

Yup, sounds like what I originally said, "more canon fodder".

144,000 of cloned ants !!! Wow!!!turgore

The number of supposed "clones" are alot more detailed than most 360 games :|

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

Great more canon fodder, stop the presses on that breakthrough :roll:

I'm starting to think less enemies on the screen the better, I would rather have a complex small set of enemies than a large relatively stupid group of enemies doing hive tactics.

-RPGamer-

:| I like RTS titles, you don't need hundred of thousands of units to make these games good/great. More units doesn't equate to break throughs in gaming, it's just means you have more processing doing the same exact thing they were doing with smaller units.

[QUOTE="turgore"]144,000 of cloned ants !!! Wow!!!Zero_Fate_

The number of supposed "clones" are alot more detailed than most 360 games :|

Huh ? 

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

Great more canon fodder, stop the presses on that breakthrough :roll:

I'm starting to think less enemies on the screen the better, I would rather have a complex small set of enemies than a large relatively stupid group of enemies doing hive tactics.

Shadow_op

:| I like RTS titles, you don't need hundred of thousands of units to make these games good/great. More units doesn't equate to break throughs in gaming, it's just means you have more processing doing the same exact thing they were doing with smaller units.

[QUOTE="Zero_Fate_"]

[QUOTE="turgore"]144,000 of cloned ants !!! Wow!!!turgore

The number of supposed "clones" are alot more detailed than most 360 games :|

Huh ? 

Im simply saying that the scale and the soldier detail combined practically puts most 360 games to shame.

[QUOTE="Shadow_op"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

Great more canon fodder, stop the presses on that breakthrough :roll:

I'm starting to think less enemies on the screen the better, I would rather have a complex small set of enemies than a large relatively stupid group of enemies doing hive tactics.

cobrax25

:| I like RTS titles, you don't need hundred of thousands of units to make these games good/great. More units doesn't equate to break throughs in gaming, it's just means you have more processing doing the same exact thing they were doing with smaller units.

[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="Shadow_op"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

Great more canon fodder, stop the presses on that breakthrough :roll:

I'm starting to think less enemies on the screen the better, I would rather have a complex small set of enemies than a large relatively stupid group of enemies doing hive tactics.

Shadow_op

:| I like RTS titles, you don't need hundred of thousands of units to make these games good/great. More units doesn't equate to break throughs in gaming, it's just means you have more processing doing the same exact thing they were doing with smaller units.

[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="Shadow_op"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

Great more canon fodder, stop the presses on that breakthrough :roll:

I'm starting to think less enemies on the screen the better, I would rather have a complex small set of enemies than a large relatively stupid group of enemies doing hive tactics.

Shadow_op

:| I like RTS titles, you don't need hundred of thousands of units to make these games good/great. More units doesn't equate to break throughs in gaming, it's just means you have more processing doing the same exact thing they were doing with smaller units.

This is essentially what I'm saying.

Gamer A - sends 3 people flanking left, 2 people flanking right, 3 pinching from behind, and 6 right up front.
Gamer B - sends 3000 people left, 2000 people right, 3000 behind, 6000 in the fray.

Same concept just bigger numbers. That's not a break through.

lol awesome means i can do even more of my regular tactic in rts, hoard resources then build 10,000 marines and over whelm the enemy and commit genocide.....hahahahaWilliamRLBaker

Supporting my initial belief of "canon fodder".

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]lol awesome means i can do even more of my regular tactic in rts, hoard resources then build 10,000 marines and over whelm the enemy and commit genocide.....hahahaha-RPGamer-

Supporting my initial belief of "canon fodder".

it will also cause huge breakthroughs in lagging the hell out of your compEl_Fanboy

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]lol awesome means i can do even more of my regular tactic in rts, hoard resources then build 10,000 marines and over whelm the enemy and commit genocide.....hahahahacobrax25

Supporting my initial belief of "canon fodder".

I wasn't considering anything but his overall tactic.

Perhaps a breakthrough in hardware manipulation, but not really a of breakthrough in gaming.

[QUOTE="Shadow_op"][QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="Shadow_op"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

Great more canon fodder, stop the presses on that breakthrough :roll:

I'm starting to think less enemies on the screen the better, I would rather have a complex small set of enemies than a large relatively stupid group of enemies doing hive tactics.

-RPGamer-

:| I like RTS titles, you don't need hundred of thousands of units to make these games good/great. More units doesn't equate to break throughs in gaming, it's just means you have more processing doing the same exact thing they were doing with smaller units.

This is essentially what I'm saying.

Gamer A - sends 3 people flanking left, 2 people flanking right, 3 pinching from behind, and 6 right up front.
Gamer B - sends 3000 people left, 2000 people right, 3000 behind, 6000 in the fray.

Same concept just bigger numbers. That's not a break through.

Just the tip of the iceberg:

[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

Great more canon fodder, stop the presses on that breakthrough :roll:

I'm starting to think less enemies on the screen the better, I would rather have a complex small set of enemies than a large relatively stupid group of enemies doing hive tactics.

-RPGamer-

I understand the type of game, I don't think giving me all these addition units helps the concept. I can flank with smaller groups too.

uh if you haven't played the game you're not in a position to make that call

i think this is a huge improvement for M2TW and future TW games in general...there was always an element of frustration that you could not directly control reinforcement armies...sure you can flank with the army you are currently controlling, and there's a great deal of tactical depth as things are now, but with the ability to control reinforcement armies (and reinforcement armies stepping into battle for the AI as well) it's just going to add another strategic layer...after all, it was always silly that you could have multiple stacks (both you and the enemy) engaged in a single battle but your other stacks played no part, or when they did, they were poorly controlled by the computer

fact is, this will make the most realistic tactical strategy simulator on the market even more realistic, as now you're not just limited to fighting on the battlefield with just one army, but have to manage the deployment and maneuver of multiple armies on a single battlemap, which i imagine would involve the interception of enemy AI's reinforcements as well

for people who have actually played total war games, this is a significant improvement...my only worry is that only the highest-end PCs will be able to handle that many characters on-screen at the same time

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

Great more canon fodder, stop the presses on that breakthrough :roll:

I'm starting to think less enemies on the screen the better, I would rather have a complex small set of enemies than a large relatively stupid group of enemies doing hive tactics.

mwa

I understand the type of game, I don't think giving me all these addition units helps the concept. I can flank with smaller groups too.

uh if you haven't played the game you're not in a position to make that call

i think this is a huge improvement for M2TW and future TW games in general...there was always an element of frustration that you could not directly control reinforcement armies...sure you can flank with the army you are currently controlling, and there's a great deal of tactical depth as things are now, but with the ability to control reinforcement armies (and reinforcement armies stepping into battle for the AI as well) it's just going to add another strategic layer...after all, it was always silly that you could have multiple stacks (both you and the enemy) engaged in a single battle but your other stacks played no part, or when they did, they were poorly controlled by the computer

fact is, this will make the most realistic tactical strategy simulator on the market even more realistic, as now you're not just limited to fighting on the battlefield with just one army, but have to manage the deployment and maneuver of multiple armies on a single battlemap, which i imagine would involve the interception of enemy AI's reinforcements as well

for people who have actually played total war games, this is a significant improvement...my only worry is that only the highest-end PCs will be able to handle that many characters on-screen at the same time

[QUOTE="Shadow_op"][QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="Shadow_op"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

Great more canon fodder, stop the presses on that breakthrough :roll:

I'm starting to think less enemies on the screen the better, I would rather have a complex small set of enemies than a large relatively stupid group of enemies doing hive tactics.

cobrax25

:| I like RTS titles, you don't need hundred of thousands of units to make these games good/great. More units doesn't equate to break throughs in gaming, it's just means you have more processing doing the same exact thing they were doing with smaller units.

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="Shadow_op"][QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="Shadow_op"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

Great more canon fodder, stop the presses on that breakthrough :roll:

I'm starting to think less enemies on the screen the better, I would rather have a complex small set of enemies than a large relatively stupid group of enemies doing hive tactics.

True_Gamer_

:| I like RTS titles, you don't need hundred of thousands of units to make these games good/great. More units doesn't equate to break throughs in gaming, it's just means you have more processing doing the same exact thing they were doing with smaller units.

This is essentially what I'm saying.

Gamer A - sends 3 people flanking left, 2 people flanking right, 3 pinching from behind, and 6 right up front.
Gamer B - sends 3000 people left, 2000 people right, 3000 behind, 6000 in the fray.

Same concept just bigger numbers. That's not a break through.

That sunrise must be some great gameplay... I'm talking about the concept an how throwing more numbers does not breakthrough anything but standard technical limitations (much like graphics).

What the hell does flanking have to do with a green bar?

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

Great more canon fodder, stop the presses on that breakthrough :roll:

I'm starting to think less enemies on the screen the better, I would rather have a complex small set of enemies than a large relatively stupid group of enemies doing hive tactics.

mwa

I understand the type of game, I don't think giving me all these addition units helps the concept. I can flank with smaller groups too.

uh if you haven't played the game you're not in a position to make that call

My call is based on the word "breakthrough", I don't consider this much of a breakthrough, much like I don't consider the standard evolution of graphics breakthroughs either (save for maybe the first steps from 2D to 3D).

[QUOTE="Shadow_op"][QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="Shadow_op"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

Great more canon fodder, stop the presses on that breakthrough :roll:

I'm starting to think less enemies on the screen the better, I would rather have a complex small set of enemies than a large relatively stupid group of enemies doing hive tactics.

-RPGamer-

:| I like RTS titles, you don't need hundred of thousands of units to make these games good/great. More units doesn't equate to break throughs in gaming, it's just means you have more processing doing the same exact thing they were doing with smaller units.

This is essentially what I'm saying.

Gamer A - sends 3 people flanking left, 2 people flanking right, 3 pinching from behind, and 6 right up front.
Gamer B - sends 3000 people left, 2000 people right, 3000 behind, 6000 in the fray.

Same concept just bigger numbers. That's not a break through.

when you control individual units in Warcraft 3 you don't have to worry about which way they are facing, you don't have to try to wheel them around to meet flanking maneuvers, you don't get to control the depth of rows for that regiment or the breadth to which you will spread them out, all of which are options available in Total War games, all of which are tactically significant with regards to changing terrain and enemy movements

sending three orcs to hit the enemy's "flank" in Warcraft 3 is nothing like setting up an outflanking maneuver in Total War. Depending on the depth and breadth of your rows, it takes time for your units to wheel around the enemy, and given bad terrain, it could slow your regiment down or even break up that unit's cohesion. there is a tactical and strategic depth to the most "simple-looking" maneuvers...sure the concept may be the same, actual implementation and gameplay is not

your experience with RTS games does not = all RTS games, and your assumption that Total War plays just like Warcraft 3 with bigger numbers makes a glaring display of how little you know about this game...seriously, you should try it first before coming here and blurting out a bunch of baseless, unsupported assumptions about the game

As the people that played the game will know Medieval 2 Total War allows you to control 20 units of 150 solider each...making a 3000 army that can participate in a battle of 8 generals making a total of 24000...

Now if you think that 24000 is huge listen to this:

The expansion of M2TW called Kingdoms that comes in August will allow us to control multiple armies through tabs!!!!

And this is what a developer stated on the TWC forums:

"The Control multiple armies feature is extremely cool. This lets you
send orders to the generals of the reinforcement armies to carry out
commands. You can select the armies via the 'army tabs'. I was watching
Palamedes control 6 reinforcement armies in a siege battle last week!
Very cool stuff."

 

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1628908#post1628908

 

Now even if 6 armies is the top of what one can control (it might be just limited by the hardware) if 8 people control 6 armies each that makes:

144,000 soldiers on screen.... :shock:

 

So Crytek youre not alone...

True_Gamer_

I dont beleive you! I want you to count them all! 

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="Shadow_op"][QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="Shadow_op"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

Great more canon fodder, stop the presses on that breakthrough :roll:

I'm starting to think less enemies on the screen the better, I would rather have a complex small set of enemies than a large relatively stupid group of enemies doing hive tactics.

-RPGamer-

:| I like RTS titles, you don't need hundred of thousands of units to make these games good/great. More units doesn't equate to break throughs in gaming, it's just means you have more processing doing the same exact thing they were doing with smaller units.

This is essentially what I'm saying.

Gamer A - sends 3 people flanking left, 2 people flanking right, 3 pinching from behind, and 6 right up front.
Gamer B - sends 3000 people left, 2000 people right, 3000 behind, 6000 in the fray.

Same concept just bigger numbers. That's not a break through.

That sunrise must be some great gameplay... I'm talking about the concept an how throwing more numbers does not breakthrough anything but standard technical limitations (much like graphics).

What the hell does flanking have to do with a green bar?

[QUOTE="mwa"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

Great more canon fodder, stop the presses on that breakthrough :roll:

I'm starting to think less enemies on the screen the better, I would rather have a complex small set of enemies than a large relatively stupid group of enemies doing hive tactics.

-RPGamer-

I understand the type of game, I don't think giving me all these addition units helps the concept. I can flank with smaller groups too.

uh if you haven't played the game you're not in a position to make that call

My call is based on the word "breakthrough", I don't consider this much of a breakthrough, much like I don't consider the standard evolution of graphics breakthroughs either (save for maybe the first steps from 2D to 3D).

oh by "breakthrough" you mean in a purely graphical sense? in that case i'll agree with you, but as for tactics, it will definitely make a difference...after all, Total War players have been asking for the option to control multiple armies on a single battlemap for years