A HUGE breakthrough in GAMING!!!! 144000 Soldiers on screen!!!

[QUOTE="Kev_Unreal"][QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="Shadow_op"][QUOTE="Kev_Unreal"]

That really great but I don't know how to respond to this, I don't see the enjoyment of having more soldiers on screen in my opinion but would it make any difference if add more soldiers to the game?

True_Gamer_

Correct me if I'm wrong so your enjoyment is that having more soldiers makes the game more Epic? I understand.

[QUOTE="mwa"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="mwa"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="Shadow_op"][QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="Shadow_op"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

Great more canon fodder, stop the presses on that breakthrough :roll:

I'm starting to think less enemies on the screen the better, I would rather have a complex small set of enemies than a large relatively stupid group of enemies doing hive tactics.

-RPGamer-

:| I like RTS titles, you don't need hundred of thousands of units to make these games good/great. More units doesn't equate to break throughs in gaming, it's just means you have more processing doing the same exact thing they were doing with smaller units.

This is essentially what I'm saying.

Gamer A - sends 3 people flanking left, 2 people flanking right, 3 pinching from behind, and 6 right up front.
Gamer B - sends 3000 people left, 2000 people right, 3000 behind, 6000 in the fray.

Same concept just bigger numbers. That's not a break through.

when you control individual units in Warcraft 3 you don't have to worry about which way they are facing, you don't have to try to wheel them around to meet flanking maneuvers, you don't get to control the depth of rows for that regiment or the breadth to which you will spread them out, all of which are options available in Total War games, all of which are tactically significant with regards to changing terrain and enemy movements

sending three orcs to hit the enemy's "flank" in Warcraft 3 is nothing like setting up an outflanking maneuver in Total War. Depending on the depth and breadth of your rows, it takes time for your units to wheel around the enemy, and given bad terrain, it could slow your regiment down or even break up that unit's cohesion. there is a tactical and strategic depth to the most "simple-looking" maneuvers...sure the concept may be the same, actual implementation and gameplay is not

your experience with RTS games does not = all RTS games, and your assumption that Total War plays just like Warcraft 3 with bigger numbers makes a glaring display of how little you know about this game...seriously, you should try it first before coming here and blurting out a bunch of baseless, unsupported assumptions about the game

1. My example is overly exaggerated.
2. My example was never intended to be based off any single given game, but a mere overview of the concepts.
3. Your assumption that I'm trying to compare this to Warcraft 3 is piss poor.

1. that's why the example doesn't hold with regards to Total War...you've made over-generalizations

2. right, and like i said, the concept is the same, but implementation and gameplay is radically different, at least with regards to a comparison between Total War and any RTS where you "send 3 people flanking left, 2 people flanking right, 3 pinching from behind, and 6 right up front." which is why you should play the game before coming in here and making such a horrible comparison

3. then tell me which game you had in mind, or which one you believe would support your assumptions best with regards to a comparison with Total War

by the way, if this is just a fanboy argument for consoles vs pc and what is and is not a breakthrough, i am totally not approaching it from such an angle, since i am myself an avid lemming...it's just that i appreciate PC games as well, and Total War is one of those games

1.I made generalizations on both ends low and high end to show it's nothing more than a numbers game. Sure couple more units allows for more complex formations, but I think there's a definite cap on how many you really need to do such tactics.
2.It was a exaggeration of numbers taking the largest and the smallest. There was never any given RTS with 3:2:3:6 unit formations that I was thinking of at that time, how many times do I need to repeat that?
3.It wasn't ever based off a game I had in mind specifically, I just said "overview of concepts" a few words before that :|

I'm not a fanboy, I could give a damn what systems these are on.

1. the option to control more than one army that is being added into the M2TW expansion is being done to give the player more options and more complex battles, not as a token of necessity...the necessity part of the gameplay was sufficiently covered in the original release of M2TW (and other TW games before that)

2-3. and again, i'll repeat that with regards to the concepts you speak of, gameplay and implementation at least with regards to Total War is radically different, but even there i'm not sure what you're talking about since you're not giving me any specific examples for comparison. you're leaving it completely open to interpretation and thus it's near impossible for me to tell what kind of game i should be thinking of with regards to the concepts you speak of...a clarification (i.e. example of a game that would best support your assumptions) would help

[QUOTE="Kev_Unreal"][QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="Shadow_op"][QUOTE="Kev_Unreal"]

That really great but I don't know how to respond to this, I don't see the enjoyment of having more soldiers on screen in my opinion but would it make any difference if add more soldiers to the game?

True_Gamer_

Correct me if I'm wrong so your enjoyment is that having more soldiers makes the game more Epic? I understand.

ok but answer my previously question; would it make any difference if add more soldiers to the game?

Just how many topics about this game are you gonna make?This is the 3rd ive seen from you so far.

EDIT:OooOooOoOOh,the expansion.

Someones excited about 144000 men on screen. :Pchicken008

I'm just amazed how people (console fanboys?) react to this thread.

"144k soldiers on the screen is not that BIG thing in terms of gameplay"

"144k cloned ants"

 "it doesn't effect the gameplay at all, it's just a different skin for a weapon"

And yet if there were some kind of console game which supports 144k units on the screen...

"ZOMG, IT'S TEH A NEW ERA IN GAMING, NOTHING COMES CLOSE, TEH SHEER POWAH OF THREE/EIGHT CORED XENON/CELL CPU!!!111111"

I'm just amazed how people (console fanboys?) react to this thread.

 

"144k soldiers on the screen is not that BIG thing in terms of gameplay"

"144k cloned ants"

 "it doesn't effect the gameplay at all, it's just a different skin for a weapon"

 

And yet if there were some kind of console game which supports 144k units on the screen...

 

"ZOMG, IT'S TEH A NEW ERA IN GAMING, NOTHING COMES CLOSE, TEH SHEER POWAH OF THREE/EIGHT CORED XENON/CELL CPU!!!111111"

IgGy621985

I'm just amazed how people (console fanboys?) react to this thread.

"144k soldiers on the screen is not that BIG thing in terms of gameplay"

"144k cloned ants"

"it doesn't effect the gameplay at all, it's just a different skin for a weapon"

And yet if there were some kind of console game which supports 144k units on the screen...

"ZOMG, IT'S TEH A NEW ERA IN GAMING, NOTHING COMES CLOSE, TEH SHEER POWAH OF THREE/EIGHT CORED XENON/CELL CPU!!!111111"

IgGy621985

As the people that played the game will know Medieval 2 Total War allows you to control 20 units of 150 solider each...making a 3000 army that can participate in a battle of 8 generals making a total of 24000...

Now if you think that 24000 is huge listen to this:

The expansion of M2TW called Kingdoms that comes in August will allow us to control multiple armies through tabs!!!!

And this is what a developer stated on the TWC forums:

"The Control multiple armies feature is extremely cool. This lets you
send orders to the generals of the reinforcement armies to carry out
commands. You can select the armies via the 'army tabs'. I was watching
Palamedes control 6 reinforcement armies in a siege battle last week!
Very cool stuff."

 

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1628908#post1628908 

 

Now even if 6 armies is the top of what one can control (it might be just limited by the hardware) if 8 people control 6 armies each that makes:

144,000 soldiers on screen.... :shock:

 

 So Crytek youre not alone...

True_Gamer_

you could've had more than 20k of ppl in the field :P but i my comp can't handle more than 17k of ppl at onces in total war.

ps it's a great game u all should get it

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]

As the people that played the game will know Medieval 2 Total War allows you to control 20 units of 150 solider each...making a 3000 army that can participate in a battle of 8 generals making a total of 24000...

Now if you think that 24000 is huge listen to this:

The expansion of M2TW called Kingdoms that comes in August will allow us to control multiple armies through tabs!!!!

And this is what a developer stated on the TWC forums:

"The Control multiple armies feature is extremely cool. This lets you
send orders to the generals of the reinforcement armies to carry out
commands. You can select the armies via the 'army tabs'. I was watching
Palamedes control 6 reinforcement armies in a siege battle last week!
Very cool stuff."

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1628908#post1628908

Now even if 6 armies is the top of what one can control (it might be just limited by the hardware) if 8 people control 6 armies each that makes:

144,000 soldiers on screen.... :shock:

So Crytek youre not alone...

pminooei

you could've had more than 20k of ppl in the field :P but i my comp can't handle more than 17k of ppl at onces in total war.

ps it's a great game u all should get it

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="Kev_Unreal"][QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="Shadow_op"][QUOTE="Kev_Unreal"]

That really great but I don't know how to respond to this, I don't see the enjoyment of having more soldiers on screen in my opinion but would it make any difference if add more soldiers to the game?

Kev_Unreal

Correct me if I'm wrong so your enjoyment is that having more soldiers makes the game more Epic? I understand.

ok but answer my previously question; would it make any difference if add more soldiers to the game?

144,000 of cloned ants !!! Wow!!!turgore

:lol:....That is probably something like what extraterrestrials would say on a fly by of Earth....except they would say instead, "6.7 billion cloned beings, who's intellect is about the equivalent of the lifeform that they refer to as ants." "What do you say, guys....should we exterminate them or what?":P 

[QUOTE="Kev_Unreal"][QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="Kev_Unreal"][QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="Shadow_op"][QUOTE="Kev_Unreal"]

That really great but I don't know how to respond to this, I don't see the enjoyment of having more soldiers on screen in my opinion but would it make any difference if add more soldiers to the game?

ardylicious

Correct me if I'm wrong so your enjoyment is that having more soldiers makes the game more Epic? I understand.

ok but answer my previously question; would it make any difference if add more soldiers to the game?

As the people that played the game will know Medieval 2 Total War allows you to control 20 units of 150 solider each...making a 3000 army that can participate in a battle of 8 generals making a total of 24000...

True_Gamer_

 You forgot to say that if it would be 10 soldiers in one unit - it won't change a thing. I like Myth more 

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]

As the people that played the game will know Medieval 2 Total War allows you to control 20 units of 150 solider each...making a 3000 army that can participate in a battle of 8 generals making a total of 24000...

dimar19

You forgot to say that if it would be 10 soldiers in one unit - it won't change a thing. I like Myth more

[QUOTE="ardylicious"][QUOTE="Kev_Unreal"][QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="Kev_Unreal"][QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="Shadow_op"][QUOTE="Kev_Unreal"]

That really great but I don't know how to respond to this, I don't see the enjoyment of having more soldiers on screen in my opinion but would it make any difference if add more soldiers to the game?

True_Gamer_

Correct me if I'm wrong so your enjoyment is that having more soldiers makes the game more Epic? I understand.

ok but answer my previously question; would it make any difference if add more soldiers to the game?

Their are mods that increase the AI by alot, like the Darth Mod for RTW.

144,000 of cloned ants !!! Wow!!!turgore

[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

Great more canon fodder, stop the presses on that breakthrough :roll:

I'm starting to think less enemies on the screen the better, I would rather have a complex small set of enemies than a large relatively stupid group of enemies doing hive tactics.

-RPGamer-

I understand the type of game, I don't think giving me all these addition units helps the concept. I can flank with smaller groups too.

[QUOTE="turgore"]144,000 of cloned ants !!! Wow!!!cobrax25

A broken system apparently. 

Notice the guys without body armor on are all wearing basically the same thing. The ones that are varied can be seen to have people that look like them nearby. Note that they're also in the EXACT SAME STANCE. They don't just copy models, they copy animations.

 Now you can look at the knight in the foreground. Check out those uber-detailed fingers. That's what? First generation PS2 graphics with Summoner? The foliage looks like something out of Gran Turismo.

Yeah, there's a game that's used this technology already. It's called State of Emergency. And it sucks.

[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="turgore"]144,000 of cloned ants !!! Wow!!!AcidTWister

A broken system apparently.

Notice the guys without body armor on are all wearing basically the same thing. The ones that are varied can be seen to have people that look like them nearby. Note that they're also in the EXACT SAME STANCE. They don't just copy models, they copy animations.

Now you can look at the knight in the foreground. Check out those uber-detailed fingers. That's what? First generation PS2 graphics with Summoner? The foliage looks like something out of Gran Turismo.

Yeah, there's a game that's used this technology already. It's called State of Emergency. And it sucks.

Try comparing it to other strategy games, try finding another strategy game with as many soldiers on screen and that level of detail.

And they are wearing uniforms, they are not supposed to be radically different. Here you can see differences in their gear:

^Notice the shields, helmets, etc. 

144K on pc for a game that hasn't even been released yet doesn't sound like much when a PS2 game had 65K + .....back in 05..:?.. Nex_Ownage

[QUOTE="Nex_Ownage"]144K on pc for a game that hasn't even been released yet doesn't sound like much when a PS2 game had 65K + .....back in 05..:?.. Hewkii

[QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="Nex_Ownage"]144K on pc for a game that hasn't even been released yet doesn't sound like much when a PS2 game had 65K + .....back in 05..:?.. Nex_Ownage

[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="turgore"]144,000 of cloned ants !!! Wow!!!AcidTWister

A broken system apparently.

Notice the guys without body armor on are all wearing basically the same thing. The ones that are varied can be seen to have people that look like them nearby. Note that they're also in the EXACT SAME STANCE. They don't just copy models, they copy animations.

Now you can look at the knight in the foreground. Check out those uber-detailed fingers. That's what? First generation PS2 graphics with Summoner? The foliage looks like something out of Gran Turismo.

Yeah, there's a game that's used this technology already. It's called State of Emergency. And it sucks.

Bigger isn't always better. Would you rather have tons of stupid enemies onscreen at once or a smaller number of intelligent enemies onscreen at once? If you could have 144,000 intelligent enemy soldiers onscreen, I would call that a breakthrough. If you have 144,000 stupid ones, no so much of a breakthrough.-The-G-Man-

Someones excited about 144000 men on screen. :Pchicken008

it's rainin men. 

it will also cause huge breakthroughs in lagging the hell out of your compEl_Fanboy

:lol: No kidding.