A monopoly wouldn't be bad in gaming

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#151 yoyo462001
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[QUOTE="yoyo462001"][QUOTE="RadecSupreme"]

You need to learn about economy to understand that a monopoly in anything is horrendous.

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WRONG, maybe you need learn some basic economics?

haha, I wont even argue with you because you seem to think a monopoly is beneficial in anyway.

Good decision, its probably best you dont argue ECONOMICS with someone whos currently doing an economics & econometrics degree :P

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#152 HuusAsking
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[QUOTE="yoyo462001"]Well im not sure how it works in the US but we have regulators to ensure monopolies dont overcharge, however if they were left to their own devices they probably wouldnt improve consumer welfare. However saying monopoly is always unfavorable is wrong. Another example is with water companies because of the sheer scale of it having a monopoly is the best thing to acquire these economies of scale which drive down cost and its the only practical way to do things. Im not trying to spin anything or what, a monopoly is not always unfavorable.

Read Huusasking second to last post about natural monopolies.

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Exaclty, however a regulated monopoly is a special circumstance (regulations have been set in place explicitly because of the short comings of the monopoly). You won't find any benefits that an unbound monopoly has over a competitive market (strictly speaking).

Benefit of pure monopoly over perfectly competitive market: Because monopolies can gain super normal profit they can reinvest profits into research and development little economies of scale are gained in a perfectly competitive market thus Long run average costs are not driven down Sometimes its just not practical to have more than one firm ie natural monopolies. Here are 3 benefits, obviously ive argued extremes of both but the point should still stand. competition is nearly always good i dont think anyone disputes that but saying their are no benefits of a monopolistic market structure is being ignorant of the fundamentals of a monopoly structured market.

One could argue, however, that without competition and the need to differentiate, there would be no need for R&D investment. IOW, a pure monopoly would stagnate since it would see no need to improve itself (perceived perfection). But like you said, perfect competition stifles innovation from the other direction: sapping away all the spare revenue that would normally go into R&D.
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#153 tonitorsi
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Horrible thing to do.

You do realise competition is needed to lower prices for better performance between companies. A monopoly would only make things worse. It would mean higher prices of products, software, ect.

Competition benefits us, as buyers. There would also be no room for improvement and no advancement in the gaming world. You should take a class known as economics, because this idea its horrific.

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#154 rcignoni
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Hell no.
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#155 stereointegrity
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EA Activision and UBI all say ur wrong......
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#156 tok1879
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[QUOTE="93soccer"]I'm gonna guess you/person the article is from doesn't know what a monopoly is. Say hypotehtically(sorry spelled it wrong I think) I own a chocolate company and I'm the only one in the world now since the other company went bankrupt last month. If last month I was selling my chocolate for $3 since I was in competition, now that I am alone, I can charge whatever I want. I can charge $500 and get away with it because I'm the only source of chocolate for the people and they have to buy my product regardless of the price. Same thing in the gaming industry. If it became a monopoly, the company could charge whatever it wants to increase it's profit because it knows people would buy it since they dont have a choiceyoyo462001

Would you pay $500 for a chocolate bar? Would you pay $1000 for a console and $200 for a game? No and No and No? that is what i thought. They CAN NOT charge whatever they want for games if they want to continue being a profitable company. if they DID charge that amount for games then a competitor would enter the industry and COMPETE with them by offering a similar product for lower prices.

Yay somebody understand the idea of contestable markets, so far your the only whose shown any economic knowledge in this thread. well done :)

Economic degree in a top UK uni and yet you think he's the only won who displays economic knowledge in this thread? lol. Dude, the thing is if enough people are willing to pay the high price for it($500 might be too much), they will definitely be able to wave bye bye to your business if you can't.
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#157 Burning-Sludge
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[QUOTE="skektek"]

[QUOTE="yoyo462001"]Well im not sure how it works in the US but we have regulators to ensure monopolies dont overcharge, however if they were left to their own devices they probably wouldnt improve consumer welfare. However saying monopoly is always unfavorable is wrong. Another example is with water companies because of the sheer scale of it having a monopoly is the best thing to acquire these economies of scale which drive down cost and its the only practical way to do things. Im not trying to spin anything or what, a monopoly is not always unfavorable.

Read Huusasking second to last post about natural monopolies.

yoyo462001

Exaclty, however a regulated monopoly is a special circumstance (regulations have been set in place explicitly because of the short comings of the monopoly). You won't find any benefits that an unbound monopoly has over a competitive market (strictly speaking).

Benefit of pure monopoly over perfectly competitive market: Because monopolies can gain super normal profit they can reinvest profits into research and development little economies of scale are gained in a perfectly competitive market thus Long run average costs are not driven down Sometimes its just not practical to have more than one firm ie natural monopolies. Here are 3 benefits, obviously ive argued extremes of both but the point should still stand. competition is nearly always good i dont think anyone disputes that but saying their are no benefits of a monopolistic market structure is being ignorant of the fundamentals of a monopoly structured market.

Why would a monopoly have to research or develop new things?

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#158 yoyo462001
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[QUOTE="yoyo462001"][QUOTE="hoola"]

Would you pay $500 for a chocolate bar? Would you pay $1000 for a console and $200 for a game? No and No and No? that is what i thought. They CAN NOT charge whatever they want for games if they want to continue being a profitable company. if they DID charge that amount for games then a competitor would enter the industry and COMPETE with them by offering a similar product for lower prices.

tok1879

Yay somebody understand the idea of contestable markets, so far your the only whose shown any economic knowledge in this thread. well done :)

Economic degree in a top UK uni and yet you think he's the only won who displays economic knowledge in this thread? lol. Dude, the thing is if enough people are willing to pay the high price for it($500 might be too much), they will definitely be able to wave bye bye to your business if you can't.

actually others have demonstrated a knowledge of basic economics, if you read the replys i made a few posts earlier you will see, this was where we discussed the pro and cons of a monopoly. In this instance a monopoly probably isnt the best way to increase consumer welfare however stating 'monopoly is always bad' is wrong and has been said a fair few times by those without even a basic knowledge of micro-economics.

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[QUOTE="yoyo462001"][QUOTE="skektek"]

Exaclty, however a regulated monopoly is a special circumstance (regulations have been set in place explicitly because of the short comings of the monopoly). You won't find any benefits that an unbound monopoly has over a competitive market (strictly speaking).

Burning-Sludge

Benefit of pure monopoly over perfectly competitive market: Because monopolies can gain super normal profit they can reinvest profits into research and development little economies of scale are gained in a perfectly competitive market thus Long run average costs are not driven down Sometimes its just not practical to have more than one firm ie natural monopolies. Here are 3 benefits, obviously ive argued extremes of both but the point should still stand. competition is nearly always good i dont think anyone disputes that but saying their are no benefits of a monopolistic market structure is being ignorant of the fundamentals of a monopoly structured market.

Why would a monopoly have to research or develop new things?

Even a monopoly would want to research and develop so it can drive down average costs and in theory make more profit.
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#160 gingerdivid
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Monopolies are great for say .. drug companies, where they use their supernormal profits to invest in research and development, which leads to breakthrough medical treatment and saves millions of lives. Monopolies usually produce at lower costs, technically they can have lower prices too, but monoplies 9/10 are profit maximisers. What this would mean for the gaming industry is this - restricted output (less consoles on the shelves) and higher prices. Monopolies essentially ignore demand and produce a certain level of output to justify steep prices.

That's not a remotely desirable situation.

EDIT - I'm liking the amount of economic students in system wars

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#161 good_sk8er7
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I disagree full heartedly. They wouldn't lower prices or anything. They don't keep prices up for competition?? That's a rediculous claim.

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#162 alextherussian
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Basic monopoly rules, they earn more when they produce less and price higher. Its literally one of the first things you will go over in any introductory economics course. There are variations depending on outside intervention, but in a case when say Sony monopolizes the video game industry this would mean just that....
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#163 HuusAsking
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[QUOTE="Burning-Sludge"]

[QUOTE="yoyo462001"] Benefit of pure monopoly over perfectly competitive market: Because monopolies can gain super normal profit they can reinvest profits into research and development little economies of scale are gained in a perfectly competitive market thus Long run average costs are not driven down Sometimes its just not practical to have more than one firm ie natural monopolies. Here are 3 benefits, obviously ive argued extremes of both but the point should still stand. competition is nearly always good i dont think anyone disputes that but saying their are no benefits of a monopolistic market structure is being ignorant of the fundamentals of a monopoly structured market.yoyo462001

Why would a monopoly have to research or develop new things?

Even a monopoly would want to research and develop so it can drive down average costs and in theory make more profit.

The quickest way to drive down the average cost would be an economy of scale. Using R&D to reduce costs would only work if they feel the return on the R&D would outpace the costs incurred from the R&D (IOW, it needs to produce a net profit). Otherwise, it would be a likely loser and, therefore, not worth the risk--especially when you have no competition and are, essentially, your own worst enemy.