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#51 Robert_Mueller
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For secondary platforms I would just wait until the platform and the games get cheap.

Even the 360 and PS3 dropped in price later in the lifecycle although they were much more expensive to produce. Given that, we should expect at least the same price drops for XBO and PS4 later on.

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Such a flawed flow chart, if that is what you call it. The 10 dollar premium on console games is greatly worth it for resale value, alone. And then it goes on to bring up the credit card instances on a few console networks? Don't get me wrong, that stuff was no good. But to bring it up and not compare and contrast it with that of identity theft issues on a personal computer? That is just asinine. I really doubt that, as big of an issue the psn thing was, that it even compares to the amount of cases on general pc use.

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#53 osan0
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ah its easier than that.

if(Player.wantsNewConsoleAndHasNothingToPlayOnCurrentlyOwnedPlatforms==true && player.hasGamingPC==true && player.isHappywithCurrentPC==true)

{

if (player.likesNintendoGames==true)

{ Buy a wiiu()}

else if(player.likesSonysGames==true && player.hasPS3==true)

{Buy a PS4()}

else if{player.likesMSGames==True && player.has360==true)

{Buy an X1()}

else {buy a last gen console()}

}

of course there is a big problem with this function: the has nothing to play on current platforms function and has Gaming PC function can never both be true.

and is a PC gamer ever truly happy with their current PC? :P.

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#54 asylumni
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@True_Gamer_ said:

Again it is called "I DONT WANT TO BE A GRAPHICS WH0****E"....

Simple as that.

Last gen it took a very expensive machine to even play multiplats starting Nov 2005....

This gen it is a joke

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/FKNvhM

The above $400 joke of a machine runs all multiplats decently at 1080p 30-60...

And will keep running them at the lowest denominator settings of Xbone until next gen.

While I agree that your example is a joke of a PC, I disagree that it will play all multi-plats at 1080p 30-60. In fact, it won't run any multi-plats as well as the Xbox One.

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#55 xdude85
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First world problems right here: "My piece of entertainment technology is better than your piece of entertainment technology."

You guys need to get a life.

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#56 IgGy621985
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@osan0 said:

ah its easier than that.

if(Player.wantsNewConsoleAndHasNothingToPlayOnCurrentlyOwnedPlatforms==true && player.hasGamingPC==true && player.isHappywithCurrentPC==true)

{

if (player.likesNintendoGames==true)

{ Buy a wiiu()}

else if(player.likesSonysGames==true && player.hasPS3==true)

{Buy a PS4()}

else if{player.likesMSGames==True && player.has360==true)

{Buy an X1()}

else {buy a last gen console()}

}

of course there is a big problem with this function: the has nothing to play on current platforms function and has Gaming PC function can never both be true.

and is a PC gamer ever truly happy with their current PC? :P.

lol, good 1. We need a "for loop" too in this situation

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#57 Robert_Mueller
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@True_Gamer_ said:

This gen it is a joke

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/FKNvhM

The above $400 joke of a machine runs all multiplats decently at 1080p 30-60...

And will keep running them at the lowest denominator settings of Xbone until next gen.

  1. RAM missing
  2. Windows license missing (you need that to play most multiplats)
  3. Input devices missing (a PS4 or XBO controller costs at least $50)
  4. Smaller form factor would most likely be more expensive

Without 1 you cannot play anything.

With respect to 2 and 3, it might be the case that *you* have that already, but as the price of PS4 and XBO includes those items, the console itself costs less than $400.

With repect to 3, here are similar setups with some of the nice cases you showed me some days ago (german prices):

http://www.mifcom.de/4/73/mini-barebone-pc/gaming-cube.html

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#58 True_Gamer_
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@asylumni said:
@True_Gamer_ said:

Again it is called "I DONT WANT TO BE A GRAPHICS WH0****E"....

Simple as that.

Last gen it took a very expensive machine to even play multiplats starting Nov 2005....

This gen it is a joke

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/FKNvhM

The above $400 joke of a machine runs all multiplats decently at 1080p 30-60...

And will keep running them at the lowest denominator settings of Xbone until next gen.

While I agree that your example is a joke of a PC, I disagree that it will play all multi-plats at 1080p 30-60. In fact, it won't run any multi-plats as well as the Xbox One.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/kRP8CJ

With six core cpu plus ram i forgot 482$

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I tried PC gaming last gen and it sucked ass. This is a neckbeard echo chamber but you're living in a bubble. The truth is that you've got it backwards; it's not consoles that are redundant, it's your nerdrig.

I bought a PS4 and boom, I'm good to go all gen long. I don't give a **** about the latest gpu I'm not worried about whether or not my mobo is compatible with this or that, I'm not still waiting on GTA 5 and other relics of the past while everyone else plays Bloodborne. You want a real guide? Ditch your embarrassing overpriced archaic eyesore desktop tower and get with the times.

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#60 deactivated-5ac102a4472fe
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@Pray_to_me said:

I tried PC gaming last gen and it sucked ass. This is a neckbeard echo chamber but you're living in a bubble. The truth is that you've got it backwards; it's not consoles that are redundant, it's your nerdrig.

I bought a PS4 and boom, I'm good to go all gen long. I don't give a **** about the latest gpu I'm not worried about whether or not my mobo is compatible with this or that, I'm not still waiting on GTA 5 and other relics of the past while everyone else plays Bloodborne. You want a real guide? Ditch your embarrassing overpriced archaic eyesore desktop tower and get with the times.

you mean that wanna be pc that is the PS4? you know mostly flooded with substandard multiplat versions, and old indies from long past? Yeah... such worth.

Unless you mean the Wii U, in that case, carry on.

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#61 Ripsaw1994
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@thegreatgeneral said:

Here is a better one.

The sheer level of ass anger in this post...

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#62 X_CAPCOM_X
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@naz99 said:

PC gamer's guide to getting consoles for exclusives:

1. Buy console

2. Buy console exclusive games

3. Play games

/thread

I find this to be the most useful guide in the thread.

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#63 asylumni
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@True_Gamer_ said:

@asylumni said:
@True_Gamer_ said:

Again it is called "I DONT WANT TO BE A GRAPHICS WH0****E"....

Simple as that.

Last gen it took a very expensive machine to even play multiplats starting Nov 2005....

This gen it is a joke

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/FKNvhM

The above $400 joke of a machine runs all multiplats decently at 1080p 30-60...

And will keep running them at the lowest denominator settings of Xbone until next gen.

While I agree that your example is a joke of a PC, I disagree that it will play all multi-plats at 1080p 30-60. In fact, it won't run any multi-plats as well as the Xbox One.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/kRP8CJ

With six core cpu plus ram i forgot 482$

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Yep, system RAM definitely helps the computer work. ;) You'll still have difficulty booting up or running a game without a mouse and keyboard. Also, Linux will get you some games, but to have it perform better in all multi-plats, you'd need Windows. Now your $400 computer is over $600. You could go cheaper, though, if all you wanted to do is outperform the Xbox One, probably even hit your $400 initial budget.

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#64 GhoX
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@naz99 said:

PC gamer's guide to getting consoles for exclusives:

1. Buy console

2. Buy console exclusive games

3. Play games

/thread

That's what I initially thought as well.

Then I ran into region pricing and subscription-only online play.

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#65 asylumni
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@GhoX said:

@naz99 said:

PC gamer's guide to getting consoles for exclusives:

1. Buy console

2. Buy console exclusive games

3. Play games

/thread

That's what I initially thought as well.

Then I ran into region pricing and subscription-only online play.

Really? You're actually going with this? That as a PC gamer, having different prices at different stores and games that require a fee to play online just boggles your mind so much that a guide is needed?

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#66 True_Gamer_
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@asylumni said:

@True_Gamer_ said:

@asylumni said:
@True_Gamer_ said:

Again it is called "I DONT WANT TO BE A GRAPHICS WH0****E"....

Simple as that.

Last gen it took a very expensive machine to even play multiplats starting Nov 2005....

This gen it is a joke

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/FKNvhM

The above $400 joke of a machine runs all multiplats decently at 1080p 30-60...

And will keep running them at the lowest denominator settings of Xbone until next gen.

While I agree that your example is a joke of a PC, I disagree that it will play all multi-plats at 1080p 30-60. In fact, it won't run any multi-plats as well as the Xbox One.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/kRP8CJ

With six core cpu plus ram i forgot 482$

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Yep, system RAM definitely helps the computer work. ;) You'll still have difficulty booting up or running a game without a mouse and keyboard. Also, Linux will get you some games, but to have it perform better in all multi-plats, you'd need Windows. Now your $400 computer is over $600. You could go cheaper, though, if all you wanted to do is outperform the Xbox One, probably even hit your $400 initial budget.

Imaginary fantasy world: over $600

Harsh reality of real people with real decisions: $500

Funnayh eh?

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#67 GhoX
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@asylumni: What can I say? I'm spoiled by paying cheap US prices for PC games in a region with Oceanic pricing, and not having to pay for the online multiplayer of a game I already bought. What boggles my mind is console gamers simply swallowing the shit treatment their console manufacturers are throwing at them.

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#68  Edited By X_CAPCOM_X
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@True_Gamer_ said:

@asylumni said:

@True_Gamer_ said:

@asylumni said:
@True_Gamer_ said:

Again it is called "I DONT WANT TO BE A GRAPHICS WH0****E"....

Simple as that.

Last gen it took a very expensive machine to even play multiplats starting Nov 2005....

This gen it is a joke

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/FKNvhM

The above $400 joke of a machine runs all multiplats decently at 1080p 30-60...

And will keep running them at the lowest denominator settings of Xbone until next gen.

While I agree that your example is a joke of a PC, I disagree that it will play all multi-plats at 1080p 30-60. In fact, it won't run any multi-plats as well as the Xbox One.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/kRP8CJ

With six core cpu plus ram i forgot 482$

Ryse

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SHADOW OF MORDOR

Yep, system RAM definitely helps the computer work. ;) You'll still have difficulty booting up or running a game without a mouse and keyboard. Also, Linux will get you some games, but to have it perform better in all multi-plats, you'd need Windows. Now your $400 computer is over $600. You could go cheaper, though, if all you wanted to do is outperform the Xbox One, probably even hit your $400 initial budget.

Imaginary fantasy world: over $600

Harsh reality of real people with real decisions: $500

Funnayh eh?

Yeah it is funny, because I was just on Micro Center's website seeing if I could build a new PC instead of buying a PS4. I wouldn't spend 500 dollars on the shitty PC that resulted. If you're building a PC for gaming, spend at least 650; I'm not going to fork out that money to play PC games on mid settings with frame drops.

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#69 Litchie
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@thegreatgeneral said:

Here is a better one.

Umm.. wouldn't it be better the other way around? You know.. The consoles having next to nothing to play (PS4, Xbone that is) whereas the PC has a shitload of games? What kind of retard made this pic?

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#70 bulby_g
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the difference in price between the US and EU isn't as big as most people believe. People in the US seem to forget/don't realise that all tax is already shown in any displayed price in the EU and people in the EU forget/don't realise that it isn't shown in the displayed price in the US.

On top of this it's easy to just say it costs more or less in a country without taking average wage, cost of living etc. into account. It's not as easy as just comparing two prices on the web.

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@True_Gamer_ said:

@asylumni said:

@True_Gamer_ said:

@asylumni said:
@True_Gamer_ said:

Again it is called "I DONT WANT TO BE A GRAPHICS WH0****E"....

Simple as that.

Last gen it took a very expensive machine to even play multiplats starting Nov 2005....

This gen it is a joke

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/FKNvhM

The above $400 joke of a machine runs all multiplats decently at 1080p 30-60...

And will keep running them at the lowest denominator settings of Xbone until next gen.

While I agree that your example is a joke of a PC, I disagree that it will play all multi-plats at 1080p 30-60. In fact, it won't run any multi-plats as well as the Xbox One.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/kRP8CJ

With six core cpu plus ram i forgot 482$

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SHADOW OF MORDOR

Yep, system RAM definitely helps the computer work. ;) You'll still have difficulty booting up or running a game without a mouse and keyboard. Also, Linux will get you some games, but to have it perform better in all multi-plats, you'd need Windows. Now your $400 computer is over $600. You could go cheaper, though, if all you wanted to do is outperform the Xbox One, probably even hit your $400 initial budget.

Imaginary fantasy world: over $600

Harsh reality of real people with real decisions: $500

Funnayh eh?

You seem to be confused. Reality is needing some form of input device to control the computer and play the games. Reality is needing the proper OS to run the games. These would easily bring the price from $482 to over $600. Fantasy is thinking you can play a PC game without any sort of controller or OS.

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#72 asylumni
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@GhoX said:

@asylumni: What can I say? I'm spoiled by paying cheap US prices for PC games in a region with Oceanic pricing, and not having to pay for the online multiplayer of a game I already bought. What boggles my mind is console gamers simply swallowing the shit treatment their console manufacturers are throwing at them.

Console gamers aren't the only ones. But instead of $50/$60 a year, there's some 10 million PC gamers paying $15 a month to play a single PC game online. And you'd definitely want to avoid mobile gaming, where companies have raised "free to play, pay to win" to an art form.

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#73 GhoX
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@asylumni said:

@GhoX said:

@asylumni: What can I say? I'm spoiled by paying cheap US prices for PC games in a region with Oceanic pricing, and not having to pay for the online multiplayer of a game I already bought. What boggles my mind is console gamers simply swallowing the shit treatment their console manufacturers are throwing at them.

Console gamers aren't the only ones. But instead of $50/$60 a year, there's some 10 million PC gamers paying $15 a month to play a single PC game online. And you'd definitely want to avoid mobile gaming, where companies have raised "free to play, pay to win" to an art form.

I used to play WoW, and it actually saved me a TON of money compared to buying and playing non-MMOs. The issue with paid online console games is that not only do you pay subscription, but you have to constantly buy new games to play on that subscribed network. With MMOs on the other hand, they are usually engaging enough to keep you from playing all other games, so over a year's time all a WoW player would end up paying is 12-months' subscription fee and perhaps an expansion pack. That comes to a vastly smaller sum than getting a dozen games over a year.

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#74 asylumni
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@GhoX said:

@asylumni said:

@GhoX said:

@asylumni: What can I say? I'm spoiled by paying cheap US prices for PC games in a region with Oceanic pricing, and not having to pay for the online multiplayer of a game I already bought. What boggles my mind is console gamers simply swallowing the shit treatment their console manufacturers are throwing at them.

Console gamers aren't the only ones. But instead of $50/$60 a year, there's some 10 million PC gamers paying $15 a month to play a single PC game online. And you'd definitely want to avoid mobile gaming, where companies have raised "free to play, pay to win" to an art form.

I used to play WoW, and it actually saved me a TON of money compared to buying and playing non-MMOs. The issue with paid online console games is that not only do you pay subscription, but you have to constantly buy new games to play on that subscribed network. With MMOs on the other hand, they are usually engaging enough to keep you from playing all other games, so over a year's time all a WoW player would end up paying is 12-months' subscription fee and perhaps an expansion pack. That comes to a vastly smaller sum than getting a dozen games over a year.

Yeah, but you could also play Call of Duty for a year for nearly half the price, if that's your thing. Plus these console subscriptions also bring access to about a dozen more games a year. So for half the price of playing one game on PC for a year, you can play a dozen on a console. You could also pick up a few more console games on sale and still not spend more. Or you could not play online and get lost in an RPG for hundreds of hours for much less.

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#75 ocinom
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If you can afford to play video games i'm sure getting a cheap console such as the PS4 or Wii U won't be a big deal

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#76 PurpleMan5000
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@GhoX said:

@foxhound_fox said:

As a US company, VALVe offers games for purchase in US dollars. If you live in another country that does not use USD as currency, you have to either convert your money to USD, or pay in your own currency. Exchange rates on USD to other types of currency are not on par.

As a Canadian who has purchased video games since the days of the SNES/GEN and PS/N64, I have no problems paying more for my games due to the fact that the CAD right now is only ~$0.80 USD, and know that retailers, online and off, need to account for that difference.

Places like AU and NZ have different ways of upcharging their residents for out-of-country purchases, that is, most definitely, unfair. But AFAIK, Steam doesn't upcharge people in those places nearly as much as retailers do.

That's actually incorrect, but it's also not the fault of Steam. How much a game is charged in a region is solely at the discretion of the publisher.

AU/NZ does not have any customs or taxes on importing games, so if I were to buy a game from Amazon and ship it here, then I'd only be paying the US price. Steam has high price tags for some games because Steam was forced by the game's publisher to set up region-pricing. Smaller digital retailers on the other hand can often avoid the gaze of these publishers (or ignore them altogether) and charge everyone globally the same price.

Also, AU/NZ is often charged Euro instead of USD due to silly publisher reasons.

In the US, the sales tax is never built into the price. Some states charge sales tax on steam games and others do not. It's my understanding that in most countries, the sales tax is built into the price. This could account for the straight dollar to euro conversion, especially if the tax is around 20%.

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I live in the US and also enjoy Gamefly.

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#78 GhoX
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@asylumni said:

@GhoX said:

@asylumni said:

@GhoX said:

@asylumni: What can I say? I'm spoiled by paying cheap US prices for PC games in a region with Oceanic pricing, and not having to pay for the online multiplayer of a game I already bought. What boggles my mind is console gamers simply swallowing the shit treatment their console manufacturers are throwing at them.

Console gamers aren't the only ones. But instead of $50/$60 a year, there's some 10 million PC gamers paying $15 a month to play a single PC game online. And you'd definitely want to avoid mobile gaming, where companies have raised "free to play, pay to win" to an art form.

I used to play WoW, and it actually saved me a TON of money compared to buying and playing non-MMOs. The issue with paid online console games is that not only do you pay subscription, but you have to constantly buy new games to play on that subscribed network. With MMOs on the other hand, they are usually engaging enough to keep you from playing all other games, so over a year's time all a WoW player would end up paying is 12-months' subscription fee and perhaps an expansion pack. That comes to a vastly smaller sum than getting a dozen games over a year.

Yeah, but you could also play Call of Duty for a year for nearly half the price, if that's your thing. Plus these console subscriptions also bring access to about a dozen more games a year. So for half the price of playing one game on PC for a year, you can play a dozen on a console. You could also pick up a few more console games on sale and still not spend more. Or you could not play online and get lost in an RPG for hundreds of hours for much less.

That's only the case if a player games primarily on one console though. As it is, the subscription model is simply a deal breaker for someone who doesn't primarily game on the console. I'm not going to buy most of my games on PC, and end up having to pay a subscription for that one game I buy on console. All the free access to the other console games, and the fact that the subscription allows console-wide online play become irrelevant to me.

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@asylumni: It boggles my mind how console gamer's tend to over price items for PC and then leave out the extra tidbits of owning a console. If you know how to use Reddit you can get a OS fairly cheap, Also you can get a bundled KB/M for $20-$30, unless you wanna be a fancy boy. I purchased a Xbox One so I could play KI and have a console to play Mortal Kombat X on in the future along with PC. Lets go over the final costs, shall we?

Console bundle- $381(including tax)

1 year of XBL Gold- $40

Evolve- $60

I spent around $491 dollars(including tax). I've yet to purchase a play and charge kit and I'm not including the $200 I'll spend just to play online the next 5 years or the $60 games adding up over time. With Steam sales, and the free online it can actually be cheaper to game on PC, in the long haul, of course.

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#80 asylumni
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@intotheminx: Right, reddit. And I know a guy that will sell me a PS4 for $50, totally not stolen...

There's nothing wrong with quoting prices from legitimate, reliable retailers, and $120 is not an exhorbatant price for a mouse, keyboard and OS. Nor are these extra tidbits, they are basic components that make the system function.

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#81 True_Gamer_
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Again it is called "I DONT WANT TO BE A GRAPHICS WH0****E"....

Simple as that.

Last gen it took a very expensive machine to even play multiplats starting Nov 2005....

This gen it is a joke

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/FKNvhM

The above $400 joke of a machine runs all multiplats decently at 1080p 30-60...

And will keep running them at the lowest denominator settings of Xbone until next gen.

While I agree that your example is a joke of a PC, I disagree that it will play all multi-plats at 1080p 30-60. In fact, it won't run any multi-plats as well as the Xbox One.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/kRP8CJ

With six core cpu plus ram i forgot 482$

Ryse

Far Cry 4

SHADOW OF MORDOR

Yep, system RAM definitely helps the computer work. ;) You'll still have difficulty booting up or running a game without a mouse and keyboard. Also, Linux will get you some games, but to have it perform better in all multi-plats, you'd need Windows. Now your $400 computer is over $600. You could go cheaper, though, if all you wanted to do is outperform the Xbox One, probably even hit your $400 initial budget.

Imaginary fantasy world: over $600

Harsh reality of real people with real decisions: $500

Funnayh eh?

You seem to be confused. Reality is needing some form of input device to control the computer and play the games. Reality is needing the proper OS to run the games. These would easily bring the price from $482 to over $600. Fantasy is thinking you can play a PC game without any sort of controller or OS.

Again reality is far removed from this.

At least here in Europe.

Keep living in that fantasy world. I cannot pull you out of it.

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#82 EZs
Member since 2005 • 1573 Posts

This is really deep, I gotta take time to read flow chart.