a question for XBL Gold users

yes Id still pay for gold even if they added the online multiplayer features into silver.

M$ could of quite easily had MP included in Silver accounts but then how would they sell Gold accounts?

Lets face it, whether you like it or not, you are paying to play online and no pointless added features like facebook, netflix, cross game chat is going to change the fact that you have no other option but to pay if you want the online component of your games.

360 games need to come out in 2 versions, with multiplayer and without multiplayer. Why pay full retail for a game if your unable to use its full content without having to pay more? and before people say "its $5 a month its not much" of course its not much but its the principle that your paying for something that could be included in their silver package for free.

[QUOTE="Click_Clock"]

This is a very complicated question you asked here TC. If both Xbox Live Silver and Gold were free, would I still pay for Gold? If they have the exact same features and benefits. Hmmm....I need to do more research on my answer, like I said this is an extremely complicated scenario.

def_mode

Because the two concepts are not mutually exclusive. Something may be worth every penny and simultaneously if that thing is put on sale or is free then it is even a better deal. The fact that it could be obtained for a better deal does not negate that it could be simultaneously still be a good deal at a higher price.

Auctions work exactly on this principle. This is why someone bids $10, the someone else $15 etc. The person who ends up with the item thinks it is worth it. If they could have bought it for less the would have, but that doesn't negate that they were willing and did pay more.

Sales work on the same principle. Most items are bought at full price. People are obviously satisfied with buying it at full pop. Before Christmas, the same item might be 10% off. Even a better deal. That doesn't negate people feeling full price was worth it. After Christmas the item might be 30% off. Again, this doesn't suddenly mean that the people who paid 10% off or full price didn't get every penny's worth.

Ill make sure not to use hypothetical questions here ever again, it doesn't put up for a good argument here in system wars. You guys are focused on the question itself but now how or why the question was asked. Sure I may have confused most of you and could of used different words to futher strengthen my point.

The fact still remains that we are left to no choice but to pay to play our games online not because XBL has a breakthrough system that makes us all wow XBL so much better than PSN etc etc etc.

I asked the same question on a different board and there I got far more thought up discussions/arguments, nonetheless, thanks for your input.

M$ could of quite easily had MP included in Silver accounts but then how would they sell Gold accounts?

Lets face it, whether you like it or not, you are paying to play online and no pointless added features like facebook, netflix, cross game chat is going to change the fact that you have no other option but to pay if you want the online component of your games.

360 games need to come out in 2 versions, with multiplayer and without multiplayer. Why pay full retail for a game if your unable to use its full content without having to pay more? and before people say "its $5 a month its not much" of course its not much but its the principle that your paying for something that could be included in their silver package for free.

dachase

[QUOTE="def_mode"][QUOTE="Click_Clock"]

This is a very complicated question you asked here TC. If both Xbox Live Silver and Gold were free, would I still pay for Gold? If they have the exact same features and benefits. Hmmm....I need to do more research on my answer, like I said this is an extremely complicated scenario.

SUD123456

Because the two concepts are not mutually exclusive. Something may be worth every penny and simultaneously if that thing is put on sale or is free then it is even a better deal. The fact that it could be obtained for a better deal does not negate that it could be simultaneously still be a good deal at a higher price.

Auctions work exactly on this principle. This is why someone bids $10, the someone else $15 etc. The person who ends up with the item thinks it is worth it. If they could have bought it for less the would have, but that doesn't negate that they were willing and did pay more.

Sales work on the same principle. Most items are bought at full price. People are obviously satisfied with buying it at full pop. Before Christmas, the same item might be 10% off. Even a better deal. That doesn't negate people feeling full price was worth it. After Christmas the item might be 30% off. Again, this doesn't suddenly mean that the people who paid 10% off or full price didn't get every penny's worth.

Its a clever way of disguising a "gold account vs psn" thread ;)

Tc is right ppl only pay cause theres no other choice not cause they feel its worth the money

Ill make sure not to use hypothetical questions here ever again, it doesn't put up for a good argument here in system wars. You guys are focused on the question itself but now how or why the question was asked. Sure I may have confused most of you and could of used different words to futher strengthen my point.

The fact still remains that we are left to no choice but to pay to play our games online not because XBL has a breakthrough system that makes us all wow XBL so much better than PSN etc etc etc.

I asked the same question on a different board and there I got far more thought up discussions/arguments, nonetheless, thanks for your input.

Its a clever way of disguising a "gold account vs psn" thread ;)

Tc is right ppl only pay cause theres no other choice not cause they feel its worth the money

Respawn-d

Don't presume to speak for me.

I pay for Xbox Live Gold because it IS worth it to me. I could easily settle for PSN, but I don't. I have it, but play on Xbox Live most of the time.

Value is more than a price tag.

Blame Sony and Nintendo.. The reason why M$ is able to get away with this is because Sony and Nintendo Half **** their online services last gen, and that allowed M$ to look like allstars with XBL. And even with XBL flourishing, Sony and Nintendo took that half *____* approach again and played catch up the last few years. Now the XBL infrastructure is so large (20+ million) M$ has no reason to lower or drop the price of the service. This is for all you fanboys out their that wish and pray for a company/dev/game to fail.. NO competition means we ALL get screwed! OhSnapitz

[QUOTE="dachase"]

M$ could of quite easily had MP included in Silver accounts but then how would they sell Gold accounts?

Lets face it, whether you like it or not, you are paying to play online and no pointless added features like facebook, netflix, cross game chat is going to change the fact that you have no other option but to pay if you want the online component of your games.

360 games need to come out in 2 versions, with multiplayer and without multiplayer. Why pay full retail for a game if your unable to use its full content without having to pay more? and before people say "its $5 a month its not much" of course its not much but its the principle that your paying for something that could be included in their silver package for free.

OhSnapitz

doesn't help that Sony is now looking into a premium service.

instead of forcing competition, let's stoop to M$'s level!

so is it cool to say $ony, like last gen?

I'm currently a Gold membership member and haven't been Silver for over two years.

Here's my understanding. Silver level can only play online on the weekends.

Gold can play anytime, get access to demos, deals on games.

I could be wrong and I may be missing something... but there you go on the difference between Silver and Gold.

GoreyFeldman

Is this true? Can silver play online for free every weekend?

[QUOTE="GoreyFeldman"]

I'm currently a Gold membership member and haven't been Silver for over two years.

Here's my understanding. Silver level can only play online on the weekends.

Gold can play anytime, get access to demos, deals on games.

I could be wrong and I may be missing something... but there you go on the difference between Silver and Gold.

topgunmv

Is this true? Can silver play online for free every weekend?

specified weekends. so no.

next week for all Halo games will be free online.

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"][QUOTE="dachase"]

M$ could of quite easily had MP included in Silver accounts but then how would they sell Gold accounts?

Lets face it, whether you like it or not, you are paying to play online and no pointless added features like facebook, netflix, cross game chat is going to change the fact that you have no other option but to pay if you want the online component of your games.

360 games need to come out in 2 versions, with multiplayer and without multiplayer. Why pay full retail for a game if your unable to use its full content without having to pay more? and before people say "its $5 a month its not much" of course its not much but its the principle that your paying for something that could be included in their silver package for free.

HavocV3

doesn't help that Sony is now looking into a premium service.

instead of forcing competition, let's stoop to M$'s level!

so is it cool to say $ony, like last gen?

[QUOTE="HavocV3"]

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"] Blame Sony and Nintendo.. The reason why M$ is able to get away with this is because Sony and Nintendo Half **** their online services last gen, and that allowed M$ to look like allstars with XBL. And even with XBL flourishing, Sony and Nintendo took that half *____* approach again and played catch up the last few years. Now the XBL infrastructure is so large (20+ million) M$ has no reason to lower or drop the price of the service. This is for all you fanboys out their that wish and pray for a company/dev/game to fail.. NO competition means we ALL get screwed! OhSnapitz

doesn't help that Sony is now looking into a premium service.

instead of forcing competition, let's stoop to M$'s level!

so is it cool to say $ony, like last gen?

now that you mention it. the Wii's price drops are even worse, what? 3 years to put it down $50 dollars and it could very well cost under $100 dollars to make....:roll:

too many people don't know what competition is around here. in fact, you see all these fanboys who only want their favoritest company to win, or destroy, for some kind of ego boost among everyone else. too bad their wishes only earn them hits to the wallet from that favoritest company evar:lol:

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]

[QUOTE="HavocV3"]

doesn't help that Sony is now looking into a premium service.

instead of forcing competition, let's stoop to M$'s level!

so is it cool to say $ony, like last gen?

HavocV3

the Wii's price drops are even worse, what? 3 years to put it down $50 dollars and it could very well cost under $100 dollars to make....:roll:

too many people don't know what competition is around here. in fact, you see all these fanboys who only want their favoritest company to win, or destroy, for some kind of ego boost among everyone else. too bad their wishes only earn them hits to the wallet from that favoritest company evar:lol:

It'll be teh peace on Earth :o

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]If they were both the same then why would you pay? Anyway, it's clear people pay for the multiplayer. I know it's a great service, but I wouldn't pay if the multiplayer was free.def_mode

That's an awful point. If the PS3 costed as much as a PS2, in this case and they had all the same features and could play the same games, which would you buy? That's the kind of thing your saying...

[QUOTE="HavocV3"]

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"] Thus the term... "We ALL get screwed!!!" IF Sony did half the stuff they promised last gen with PSN and started this gen strong, M$ wouldn't have been able to charge $50 for Live because it shared the same services (or less) than a free service. But since Sony stumbled out of the gate (brilliant move charging $600 :roll: ) M$ just sat back and counted money. Hell M$ didn't even drop the price of the 360 until 2 years after it's initial launch.. which is normally unheard of in the VG industry. You see how one companies choices affects another..

OhSnapitz

the Wii's price drops are even worse, what? 3 years to put it down $50 dollars and it could very well cost under $100 dollars to make....:roll:

too many people don't know what competition is around here. in fact, you see all these fanboys who only want their favoritest company to win, or destroy, for some kind of ego boost among everyone else. too bad their wishes only earn them hits to the wallet from that favoritest company evar:lol:

It'll be teh peace on Earth :o

wouldn't it be cool if MS/Sony/Nintendo just teamed up, you know:P

In all seriousness, one can only imagine what next generation could be like. It's just not looking good.

thankfully, no one owns PC......not even M$/MS/Micro$oft, etc.

i understand completely what you're trying to say, but you're wrong. Silver does not have ALL the same privileges as Gold. And while i can't list them for you, i'm sure that xbox.com can eyebrowless

He's not saying they have all the same features actually, it was a "what if it did" type situation which makes his point make no sense.

I pay $50 a year for XBOX LIVE Gold

and it's worth every penny.

I pay $50 a year for XBOX LIVE Gold

and it's worth every penny.

midnite_toker22

Buying a Game for $50 is worth every penny.

Buying Xbox Live so you could play Online is definantly NOT worth it.

[QUOTE="HavocV3"]

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"] Blame Sony and Nintendo.. The reason why M$ is able to get away with this is because Sony and Nintendo Half **** their online services last gen, and that allowed M$ to look like allstars with XBL. And even with XBL flourishing, Sony and Nintendo took that half *____* approach again and played catch up the last few years. Now the XBL infrastructure is so large (20+ million) M$ has no reason to lower or drop the price of the service. This is for all you fanboys out their that wish and pray for a company/dev/game to fail.. NO competition means we ALL get screwed! OhSnapitz

doesn't help that Sony is now looking into a premium service.

instead of forcing competition, let's stoop to M$'s level!

so is it cool to say $ony, like last gen?

[QUOTE="midnite_toker22"]

I pay $50 a year for XBOX LIVE Gold

and it's worth every penny.

LegatoSkyheart

Buying a Game for $50 is worth every penny.

Buying Xbox Live so you could play Online is definantly NOT worth it.

I wonder if this topic is trying to stir up some flamebaiting to make those feel uneasy paying for XBL.

My question to you non XBL gold gamers. Why do you find it so important for me to JUSTIFY what i do with MY MONEY?

Once again, I apologize for such a complicated question and causes most of you to misunderstood what the point im trying to make out of it.

Its a theoretical question and a situational question where I asked "what if" Silver offers everything that Gold membership does only Silver is free. Obviously, we will go to the Silver route because its free and has the same features and online capabilities as the Gold membership.

By doing so, what does that show about Gold membership? We pay for Gold not because we feel that Gold deserves our money or it deserves to charge us users money just so we have access to its online capabilities, instead we pay because there is no other option to play our Halo's, Modern Warfares, and Gears2 online.

Meaning, if we had the option to play multiplayer for free, we would gladly take it regardless of what other else they offer in Gold Membership.

At the end of the day, I cannot change other people's opinion, if you feel Gold deserves your $50, then that't the end of the line.

Not trying to be a jerk but this question is stupid. It would be like going to a restaurant you really like, ordering dinner and the manager says it's free for wahtever reason. Are you honestly going to tell me you are going to be like "no, I am going to pay, it was so worth it!".

It does not show whether or not the dinner was "worth it" all it shows is people would rather get things for free espeically things they like. Why not give companies more money if you really value you their products. Why not say "hey, you are selling this for way less than it is worth, here is some extra money".

[QUOTE="Respawn-d"]

Its a clever way of disguising a "gold account vs psn" thread ;)

Tc is right ppl only pay cause theres no other choice not cause they feel its worth the money

VoodooHak

Don't presume to speak for me.

I pay for Xbox Live Gold because it IS worth it to me. I could easily settle for PSN, but I don't. I have it, but play on Xbox Live most of the time.

Value is more than a price tag.

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

[QUOTE="Respawn-d"]

Its a clever way of disguising a "gold account vs psn" thread ;)

Tc is right ppl only pay cause theres no other choice not cause they feel its worth the money

def_mode

Don't presume to speak for me.

I pay for Xbox Live Gold because it IS worth it to me. I could easily settle for PSN, but I don't. I have it, but play on Xbox Live most of the time.

Value is more than a price tag.

[QUOTE="eyebrowless"]i understand completely what you're trying to say, but you're wrong. Silver does not have ALL the same privileges as Gold. And while i can't list them for you, i'm sure that xbox.com can ColdP1zza

He's not saying they have all the same features actually, it was a "what if it did" type situation which makes his point make no sense.

[QUOTE="def_mode"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

Don't presume to speak for me.

I pay for Xbox Live Gold because it IS worth it to me. I could easily settle for PSN, but I don't. I have it, but play on Xbox Live most of the time.

Value is more than a price tag.

Sandvichman

omg. I give up.

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

[QUOTE="midnite_toker22"]

Buying a Game for $50 is worth every penny.

Buying Xbox Live so you could play Online is definantly NOT worth it.

WilliamRLBaker

[QUOTE="ColdP1zza"]

[QUOTE="eyebrowless"]i understand completely what you're trying to say, but you're wrong. Silver does not have ALL the same privileges as Gold. And while i can't list them for you, i'm sure that xbox.com can def_mode

He's not saying they have all the same features actually, it was a "what if it did" type situation which makes his point make no sense.

By doing so, what does that show about Gold membership? We pay for Gold not because we feel that Gold deserves our money or it deserves to charge us users money just so we have access to its online capabilities, instead we pay because there is no other option to play our Halo's, Modern Warfares, and Gears2 online.

Meaning, if we had the option to play multiplayer for free, we would gladly take it regardless of what other else they offer in Gold Membership.

def_mode

Your thread would have made a lot more sense if the choice had been between Silver with only online play vs. Gold with current features.

Better question would be if Silver had free online play and for 50 bucks a year you could buy cross game chat and early demo's would you pay? The vast majority wouldn't and that is why Live is a ripoff.

[QUOTE="def_mode"][QUOTE="ColdP1zza"]

He's not saying they have all the same features actually, it was a "what if it did" type situation which makes his point make no sense.

Sandvichman

[QUOTE="def_mode"]

By doing so, what does that show about Gold membership? We pay for Gold not because we feel that Gold deserves our money or it deserves to charge us users money just so we have access to its online capabilities, instead we pay because there is no other option to play our Halo's, Modern Warfares, and Gears2 online.

Meaning, if we had the option to play multiplayer for free, we would gladly take it regardless of what other else they offer in Gold Membership.

Cherokee_Jack

Your thread would have made a lot more sense if the choice had been between Silver with only online play vs. Gold with current features.

Better question would be if Silver had free online play and for 50 bucks a year you could buy cross game chat and early demo's would you pay? The vast majority wouldn't and that is why Live is a ripoff.

Mestitia

Better question would be if Silver had free online play and for 50 bucks a year you could buy cross game chat and early demo's would you pay? The vast majority wouldn't and that is why Live is a ripoff.

Mestitia

[QUOTE="def_mode"]

Once again, I apologize for such a complicated question and causes most of you to misunderstood what the point im trying to make out of it.

Its a theoretical question and a situational question where I asked "what if" Silver offers everything that Gold membership does only Silver is free. Obviously, we will go to the Silver route because its free and has the same features and online capabilities as the Gold membership.

By doing so, what does that show about Gold membership? We pay for Gold not because we feel that Gold deserves our money or it deserves to charge us users money just so we have access to its online capabilities, instead we pay because there is no other option to play our Halo's, Modern Warfares, and Gears2 online.

Meaning, if we had the option to play multiplayer for free, we would gladly take it regardless of what other else they offer in Gold Membership.

At the end of the day, I cannot change other people's opinion, if you feel Gold deserves your $50, then that't the end of the line.

DragonfireXZ95

You know what you should do. You should change the question a bit. Make it so that hypothetically, Xbox live gold offers you:

Free Game DemosHD Movies & TV ShowsDownloadable Arcade Games *Game Add-ons *Avatars & Avatar FashionVoice & Text ChatPhoto SharingPlay games online with friendsStreaming Netflix *Xbox LIVE Parties & Video ChatFacebook, Twitter & Last.FMEarly access to game demos & exclusive discountsAnd Silver offers you:Free Game DemosHD Movies & TV ShowsDownloadable Arcade Games *Game Add-ons *Avatars & Avatar FashionVoice & Text ChatPhoto SharingPlay games online with friends
Both allow you to play online with friends, but Silver doesn't allow cross game voice chat, early access to demos, etc.Would people still pay for Gold if this was the case? Just for cross game voice chat and a couple other features?

If I had the option of paying rent for my house, or have it all for free, I wonder what I would choose???? :|

If I had the option of paying rent for my house, or have it all for free, I wonder what I would choose???? :|

PandaBear86

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

[QUOTE="def_mode"]

By doing so, what does that show about Gold membership? We pay for Gold not because we feel that Gold deserves our money or it deserves to charge us users money just so we have access to its online capabilities, instead we pay because there is no other option to play our Halo's, Modern Warfares, and Gears2 online.

Meaning, if we had the option to play multiplayer for free, we would gladly take it regardless of what other else they offer in Gold Membership.

def_mode

Your thread would have made a lot more sense if the choice had been between Silver with only online play vs. Gold with current features.

[QUOTE="def_mode"][QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

Your thread would have made a lot more sense if the choice had been between Silver with only online play vs. Gold with current features.

Cherokee_Jack