A view on the next generation of consoles. Who will come out on top?

Also don't forget sony made a huge mistake with putting 8 cores in the ps3, i made the ps3 a lot more expensive than the x360 and only delivered the same quality. They have a blue ray player , but that's only gaining popularity the last few years.

The security issue with psn is also something a lot of consolites won't forget They do have their exclusives and fanbase but if the ps4 doesn't come quick, they will get a beating. It may seem impossible to you but look how much ground microsoft gained over sony. the ps2 pushed sega out of the market , it could happen here with sony and nintendo to.

Microsoft also made the mistake of not making enough exclusives but that's about the only mistake they made, the next mistake could be , releasing their console in 2014 and when i see how much they focus on kinect, this could very well be the case

I have a x360 now , dark souls and mortal kombat are the games that i have played on it this year but otherwise it gathered a lot dust the last three years because i also have a good pc.

I'm not a nintendo fan, but the wii-u i'm buying. Nintendo also has some experience with 3d games with the 3ds. If they will make some 3d games first party, hardcore gamers could be ending up buying 3dtv for this. I think nintendo will do us all a favor.

evildead6789

[QUOTE="AzatiS"][QUOTE="Giant_Panda"]

I think it's garbage to claim Wii U isn't a next gen system. In my opinion, because that's just plain silly.

Giant_Panda

Hardly. Wii U shouldn't lack online unlike Wii, and the graphicaldifference will not be as big due to diminishing returns.

[QUOTE="Giant_Panda"]

[QUOTE="AzatiS"] Ok will be the low end next gen system like Wii was. Happy now?AzatiS

Hardly. Wii U shouldn't lack online unlike Wii, and the graphicaldifference will not be as big due to diminishing returns.

What's the reason it won't?

Well considering we know fück all about next gen, it's impossible to speculate.

Well considering we know fück all about next gen, it's impossible to speculate.

DarthJohnova

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Well considering we know fück all about next gen, it's impossible to speculate.

evildead6789

[QUOTE="DarthJohnova"]

Well considering we know fück all about next gen, it's impossible to speculate.

evildead6789

Inside info claims the CPU is not Power7 based actually. For the GPU, we don't know how similar it will be to the rv770, except that the first devkit used it. As for the release date, it will most likely be coming out late 2012, not Q1 or Q2.

Probably Nintendo agian.

[QUOTE="evildead6789"][QUOTE="DarthJohnova"]

Well considering we know fück all about next gen, it's impossible to speculate.

Cheese-Muffins

Inside info claims the CPU is not Power7 based actually. For the GPU, we don't know how similar it will be to the rv770, except that the first devkit used it. As for the release date, it will most likely be coming out late 2012, not Q1 or Q2.

Anyone who thinks the Next Xbox will be soley Kinect, I will be standing by for ownage when it asserts itself as the most powerful system.Spartan070

Says somebody with a PS1 exclusive in their sig.

[QUOTE="Cheese-Muffins"]

[QUOTE="evildead6789"] These are the specs for the wii-u CPU: IBM Power Architecture-based multi-core 45 nm microprocessor based on the POWER7 architecture found in the Watson supercomputer. GPU: Custom-designed AMD Radeon HD similar to the R770 chip I think that pretty much sums it up and microsoft and sony have nothing to show for , and nintendo will release q1 or q2 2012.evildead6789

Inside info claims the CPU is not Power7 based actually. For the GPU, we don't know how similar it will be to the rv770, except that the first devkit used it. As for the release date, it will most likely be coming out late 2012, not Q1 or Q2.

Well we already know it cannot release before April, and it's highly doubtful to release before e3, especially when Nintendo themselves have said they are going to properly reintroduce Wii U during their show then. Also, I do believe there were some rumors going around saying that the console got delayed from its previous launch window of around late summer-early fall to being late 2012 all together.

Don't care.

Not gonna buy any console for at least 2-3 years after the gen starts. After I've seen what kind of games are available (& incoming) on each system I'll make my decision. But otherwise PC ftw.

Well its been interesting reading everyones opinions. I know the Wii is meant to be using one of the AMD 4000 graphics cards but I doubt it will be the 4870. Noisy, inefficient and the high end model in that group. No console has ever gone for a graphics card fitting that description. For cost, power and effciency reasosn I suspect it will come with something like the Radeon 4770 or there abouts. Still quite a bit more powerful than the 360/PS3 but not enough to elevate it into the next gen category. It will probably be something like the PS2 vs Xbox1. Both played the same games with the Xbox1 getting the more polished ports almost every time due to a better system spec.en3sge

i've read it will be the 4890 I think they are using these chips because of production costs, they will want to sell the wii at a low price.

They can also use the 4870x2 , or custom 4890 x 2.

They would be stupid using one of the mid end models.

If you would be able to get all multiplats (like 360) + all nintendo exclusives on one platform... That would be a wet dream for most gamers.

If only it will have good online and some powah to please the core/3rd party. And good indi support.
Good online and indi support by going Steam.
And powerful but expensive, they still have the Wii for people to allow for them to make a slow transition. Just sell it to the cores first.
If possible, after a year or two release a cheaper model that you call the Wii U -Wii2 edition and sell that to the masses.

[QUOTE="en3sge"]Well its been interesting reading everyones opinions. I know the Wii is meant to be using one of the AMD 4000 graphics cards but I doubt it will be the 4870. Noisy, inefficient and the high end model in that group. No console has ever gone for a graphics card fitting that description. For cost, power and effciency reasosn I suspect it will come with something like the Radeon 4770 or there abouts. Still quite a bit more powerful than the 360/PS3 but not enough to elevate it into the next gen category. It will probably be something like the PS2 vs Xbox1. Both played the same games with the Xbox1 getting the more polished ports almost every time due to a better system spec.evildead6789

i've read it will be the 4890 I think they are using these chips because of production costs, they will want to sell the wii at a low price.

They can also use the 4870x2 , or custom 4890 x 2.

They would be stupid using one of the mid end models.

My thoughts.

WiiU:

I'm in love with the idea of touchpad controller and Im looking forward to play 1080p Nintendo exclusives (thats something no gamer can miss honestly), but I see a potentional risk in that developers will not actually use the gameplay posibilities of the controller. Also my prediction is Wii U will be strong enough to have multiplats from nextbox and PS4

Nextbox:

I'm not sure what to expect here. XBOX has no distinct exclusive franchises except Halo, Gears and Forza and not much specific for it. My hope is it will yet again be a gamers console done right (just like 360 is) with great performance, nice controller, etc. Just gamers console done right. My fear is Microsoft will pull off the Wii and will make Kinectbox for causals (and unluckily that is very likely to happen).

PS4:

I hope Sony will stick to the Cell and keep its flow of excellent and distinct exclusive games from first and second party studios. Im hoping it will be the cutting edge conservative console for conservative gamers (which is exactly what PS3 is). I know too little about it so far though.

Most likely nintendo although MS and their kinect is becoming a threat to nintendo

NoodleFighter

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="tjricardo089"]

A nightmare scenario: Apple buys Coca-Cola. Apple buys USA research labs. Apple develops a mind control pill and mixes it with the Coca-Cola. We drink the Coca-Cola, get mindfu*ked and sell our console/pc to buy a mac/ipad. No sense at all right? Then read again your post.

tjricardo089

Apple has the money I didn't said it hasn't. But Apple knows jack about the gaming industry.

Microsoft will be the most successful next gen with their Kinectbox Wii60. The Wii U will be the hardcore console. The PS4 is anyone's guess.ActionRemix

Wii U the hardcore console? Sure...

The predictions here are so colored by preferences and in some cases its obvious. MS, a multibillion dollar company will do so little homework on marketing that some forum goers have them all figured out as far as next generation. Same for Nintendo, but Sony nobody is sure. MS will have "hardcore" games for the consumer next generation, I refuse to believe they can't see how that's business suicide not to. But sw posters can?cainetao11

[QUOTE="ActionRemix"]Microsoft will be the most successful next gen with their Kinectbox Wii60. The Wii U will be the hardcore console. The PS4 is anyone's guess.Vari3ty

Wii U the hardcore console? Sure...

MS will piggyback on advances in PC tech to produce the strongest machine, it will be a runaway hit with casuals for Kinect, and also the "cores" for multiplats.

PS4 will stick by their dumb architecture and produce "Cell 2" along with second-rate GPU. They will continue to pump out new IP's and exclusives, gaining a cult following as they do now while falsely claiming to have some kind of "advanced alien technology waiting to be unlocked." Somehow their exclusives will STILL look better than anything on the Xbox720, and they will still not sell very well.

WiiU will sell to its cult fans, core gamers will ignore it.

In sales it will be 720 > PS4 > WiiU

Meanwhile the PC will kick all their asses, but 720 will still have the best games because devs are tired of spending 6 years making a game only to have it purchased by 1 million people and downloaded by 30 million people.

MS will piggyback on advances in PC tech to produce the strongest machine, it will be a runaway hit with casuals for Kinect, and also the "cores" for multiplats.

PS4 will stick by their dumb architecture and produce "Cell 2" along with second-rate GPU. They will continue to pump out new IP's and exclusives, gaining a cult following as they do now while falsely claiming to have some kind of "advanced alien technology waiting to be unlocked." Somehow their exclusives will STILL look better than anything on the Xbox720, and they will still not sell very well.

WiiU will sell to its cult fans, core gamers will ignore it.

In sales it will be 720 > PS4 > WiiU

Meanwhile the PC will kick all their asses, but 720 will still have the best games because devs are tired of spending 6 years making a game only to have it purchased by 1 million people and downloaded by 30 million people.

LazySloth718

[QUOTE="Giant_Panda"]

[QUOTE="AzatiS"] Ok will be the low end next gen system like Wii was. Happy now?AzatiS

Hardly. Wii U shouldn't lack online unlike Wii, and the graphicaldifference will not be as big due to diminishing returns.

we will see

i doubt next gen consoles will be that powerful

Nintendo. Core gamers may sneer. But, Nintendo knows how to target people with money, namely parents who want a family-friendly console. The mindset of parents towards Nintendo in formidable.

Samsung, obviously.

My E3 guesstimations:

Wii-U:

• The physical console has been redesigned to look more like the Gamecube or Wii.
• The controller receives a few minor changes, but nothing major.
• Will upscale Wii titles to 1080p.
• Price: $250-$300. Will include two tablet controllers out of the box.
• GameCube games wilil be on the Virtual Console in 1080p.
• Will be able to play Nintendo DS games and possible Nintendo 3DS games.
• The Nintendo 3DS with the Circle Pad Pro can be used as a secondary controller for some games.
• Nintendo 3DS connectivity.
• Stereostopic 3D support for games if developers wish to use it.

Playstation 4:

• Price: $300-$350.
• Will come with Move, Eyetoy, and Dual Shock Controller.
• Will upscale Playstation 3 games to 1080p.
• Will be slightly more powerful than the Wii-U. (Think GameCube vs. Xbox)
• Trophies will be standard for every game.
• Stereostopic 3D will be standard for all games.
• Vita connectivity and remote play (I can turn on my Playstation 4 and stream Killzone 4 to my Vita to play if someone else wants to use the TV)

Xbox Next (Nice ring isn't it?)

• Will not be called Xbox 720 because "720" is asociated with "720p" so it would sound inferior or confusing to consumers when other systems tout "1080p" plus the name is just **** horrible.
• Will be the weakest of the three consoles (think Playsation 2 vs. GameCube vs. Xbox)
• Price will compete directly with Wii-U.
• Will come with a second generation Kinect and standard controller.
• Stereostopic 3D support for all games.
• Will use Blu-Ray.
• Interface will resemble Windows 8, and the Kinect that comes with the console will be able to be used with computer running Windows 8.
• An Xbox Live Family plan will now allow content to be unlocked and played by everyone on the plan (up to four accounts). So if I have a Family Plan and I purchase a Gears of War map pack on my account, it will unlock that content for my brother's account as well.
• Xbox Live will now be the same accross all three platforms: Xbox, Windows, and Windows Phone and can use features like messaging, party chat, and some arcade games on the various platforms.
• Will come bundled with a game.

I highly doubt we will see an real "graphical powerhouses" this generation, and I think all three consoles will launch under $350 with at least one launching under $300. I think with the directions Microsoft and Sony are taking their consoles with motion controls and the situation Sony is financially, I think they will opt to take the Nintendo route and release hardware that they can start selling for profit right from the gate, or at a very small loss for about a year to year and a half before they start turning a profit. In retroperspective this generation was both great and a pile of crap. Microsoft and Sony lost sight of what a Home Console should be, and as such they lost money, charged more for their consoles, and development costs rose drastically which went a long while to suck the creative freedom out of developers. Even companies like EA are going to be more willing to take risks if development costs are lower for games. For those that think this generation was lacking creativity, it wasn't Call of Duty or any game that caused it, those games were just by-products of the effect; it was the all time high development costs that. In addition I think the longer console cycles are here to stay instead of four or five year console cycles, I think they will start to be six and seven year console cycles. The Wii will be six or seven years old by time the Wii-U launches, the Nintendo DS was seven years old when the 3DS launched, the Playstation 3 will be six to seven years old by time the Playstation 4 launches, etc. This model is far better for both consumers, developers, and console manufactures. Consumers feel like they get more use for their money, console prices become relatively low towards the middle to the end of the generation making them even more accessable. Console manufactures have more time to make a profit and regain any lost money from selling hardware at a loss and research and development, plus more time to plan their next console. Developers do not have relearn how to program for new consoles as frequently, meaning their is a potential for games to become graphically better, less glitchly and of higher shine, polish, and quality, and it will also lower development costs.

EDIT: I also think there will be one SKU per console this generation, no more multiple SKU's it is to confusing for consumers and retailers. on

As for who comes out on top? I think Nintendo will come out on top again with Microsoft in second and Sony in a close third. I think all three consoles will sell0 extremely well and the sales numbers will be extremely close.

The problem here is that Sony thought that by extending this generation of console to nearly 10 years, that the competition would have released their next console by now, and thus when the PS4 is released, it would have been better hardware than the recent new xbox and new nintendo consoles. sucks for them that both Ninty and MS extended their console cycle. For some reason, I think since MS has been makign more money this generation in their gaming division, that the next xbox will be more powerful than the PS4, but probably not light years ahead. It will definately support DX11 at minimum and possibly DX12, but if so, it would be fully hardware driven dx12 (aka dual gpu of some sort). This allows a huge increase in graphics without the need for a super CPU.

Microsoft and Nintendo have own more mind share then Playstation does right now.

So at the beginning of the next generation Sony will need to really wow that consumer that switched to 360 during this generation.

Maybe it's archaic but i think Sony is on the right path with continuing to push exclusive games. But i do think they need to have more varied and new IP's for next generation.

They can't have a Resistance AND a Kilzone.

They need one big FPS franchise, a fresh one.

Then an action adventure series.

an RPG

A family friendly adventure character.

New and fresh ideas.

Also more importantly, they cannot charge an obnoxious amount at launch... and it would help if they designed it so that it's easier for game developers to work with.

I doubt Sony will follow that advice. but we can dream....

I imagine... :P

Sony showing off the PS4 as being so cheap and reasonable, but not include a hard drive which is super over priced. lol.