A viewpoint on lemmings (from a lemming)

Now I've been a lemming for quite some time now (I guess I'm breaking the mould with the new generation), and to think, it has come to this...

Lemmings have become arrogant, snobbish, and think they own the place. It's hard not to notice. Perhaps lemmings don't notice, but it really gets on sheep and cows nerves. Things like "Why the PS3 fails", "The complete (biased) list of 360 exclusives coming 2007 (including non-exclusive PC/360 titles)". The one that gets me the most, however, is "If it weren't for (insert big name Wii/PS3 title here), the PS3/Wii is nothing" - you guys may not start those threads, but you certainly don't disagree with them.

Seriously, the 360 is the console that is hanging off one game by far. Only one title that really defines the system. And that is Halo. If it wasn't for Halo, the audience wouldn't be as big as it is now. You can spit any number of titles coming our way: Mass Effect, Too Human (that game looks decent - I know you guys really want that to shine), Forza 2 etc. or even the amazing Gears of War. But just imagine: if Halo wasn't leading the pack, would the 360 be in the position it is now? Would you guys feel as confident as you are now? I honestly don't think so.

The sheep and cows have several amount of titles that define the Wii and PS3 respectively. The sheep have all the classics that casuals have at least heard of: Zelda, Metroid, and the Mario "family" (including SSBM - it may seem funny to you guys, but you're not complaining about Halo Wars right? I'm certainly not.). The PS3 is no slouch either - Insomniac and Naughty Dog games are relatively well known outside the gaming community (Jak and Ratchet have been advertised to death), Gran Turismo even more so (remember how much it rocked our socks when it first came out? Forza may be the better game, but GT is the one everyone automatically loves), and more recently, God of War has been getting quite a bit of attention.

Yet try to raise a conversation about Mass Effect or Forza with casuals and they would either not know the former, or just automatically go "It's like Gran Turismo" with the latter. Talk about the 360 with most people, and usually only one game crops up: "Hey dude, I wonder when Halo 3 is going to come out".

And you guys try and make it out like the 360 is completely owning both consoles right now. Maybe you guys just choose to ignore it, but both rival consoles have only been out for 5 months. The 360 had one year and five months. It was expected to be like this one year ago. And to think, the Wii is only 4 million units behind the 360. Five months lemmings - you need a slap back to reality.

And I hate to admit it myself, but when the PS3 actually has its big guns rolling (MotorStorm? Genji? Only Resistance? Poor showing Sony), it's going to be one helluva ride for the cows. They may just catch up in the race once Square Enix, Naughty Dog, Insomniac and the SCE devs start churning out the system sellers. And for the hardcore gamers, Team Ico will be back with another gaming classic.

If you're a cow or sheep that really does get sick of lemmings being stuck up and stuff, feel free to agree here. I'm coming from behind the lemming frontline today just because I'm getting sick of it. I'll probably go back after this, but I need to know if other people are getting annoyed.

This is definitely one of the best threads, I have seen around here in a long while. I actually agree with just about everything that was said. However, sadly, you must be prepared to be attacked by the astronomical number of fanboys here in SW.SailorMars

 Thanks Chrissy. If you're in your Samus Aran suit, I shall hide behind you for protection! :P

Well by farrrr one game isn't the most acurate, I for one, I've never been interested on halo, and by the way, lemmings turned like that because of cows are even MORE arrogant.-KinGz-

Yeah cows were arrogant back in the day... but not like this.

I know some lemmings don't think of Halo much... but the majority do. 

nice thread man,everything you just said is true,you my friend are alright:D

Now I've been a lemming for quite some time now (I guess I'm breaking the mould with the new generation), and to think, it has come to this...

Lemmings have become arrogant, snobbish, and think they own the place. It's hard not to notice. Perhaps lemmings don't notice, but it really gets on sheep and cows nerves. Things like "Why the PS3 fails", "The complete (biased) list of 360 exclusives coming 2007 (including non-exclusive PC/360 titles)". The one that gets me the most, however, is "If it weren't for (insert big name Wii/PS3 title here), the PS3/Wii is nothing" - you guys may not start those threads, but you certainly don't disagree with them.

Seriously, the 360 is the console that is hanging off one game by far. Only one title that really defines the system. And that is Halo. If it wasn't for Halo, the audience wouldn't be as big as it is now. You can spit any number of titles coming our way: Mass Effect, Too Human (that game looks decent - I know you guys really want that to shine), Forza 2 etc. or even the amazing Gears of War. But just imagine: if Halo wasn't leading the pack, would the 360 be in the position it is now? Would you guys feel as confident as you are now? I honestly don't think so.

The sheep and cows have several amount of titles that define the Wii and PS3 respectively. The sheep have all the classics that casuals have at least heard of: Zelda, Metroid, and the Mario "family" (including SSBM - it may seem funny to you guys, but you're not complaining about Halo Wars right? I'm certainly not.). The PS3 is no slouch either - Insomniac and Naughty Dog games are relatively well known outside the gaming community (Jak and Ratchet have been advertised to death), Gran Turismo even more so (remember how much it rocked our socks when it first came out? Forza may be the better game, but GT is the one everyone automatically loves), and more recently, God of War has been getting quite a bit of attention.

Yet try to raise a conversation about Mass Effect or Forza with casuals and they would either not know the former, or just automatically go "It's like Gran Turismo" with the latter. Talk about the 360 with most people, and usually only one game crops up: "Hey dude, I wonder when Halo 3 is going to come out".

And you guys try and make it out like the 360 is completely owning both consoles right now. Maybe you guys just choose to ignore it, but both rival consoles have only been out for 5 months. The 360 had one year and five months. It was expected to be like this one year ago. And to think, the Wii is only 4 million units behind the 360. Five months lemmings - you need a slap back to reality.

And I hate to admit it myself, but when the PS3 actually has its big guns rolling (MotorStorm? Genji? Only Resistance? Poor showing Sony), it's going to be one helluva ride for the cows. They may just catch up in the race once Square Enix, Naughty Dog, Insomniac and the SCE devs start churning out the system sellers. And for the hardcore gamers, Team Ico will be back with another gaming classic.

If you're a cow or sheep that really does get sick of lemmings being stuck up and stuff, feel free to agree here. I'm coming from behind the lemming frontline today just because I'm getting sick of it. I'll probably go back after this, but I need to know if other people are getting annoyed.

Liquid_47

360 is the 2nd console of ms while ps3 is the third of sony's and wii is 5th of nintendo i think.
xbox had some good games but not alot and in order to get more exlusives, sometimes you gotta start a new series of games. wait until all the games come out and see if they are good. maybe mass effect might flop but we wont kno until it comes out. and your comparing them with games that already been out like mario games

Now I've been a lemming for quite some time now (I guess I'm breaking the mould with the new generation), and to think, it has come to this...

Lemmings have become arrogant, snobbish, and think they own the place. It's hard not to notice. Perhaps lemmings don't notice, but it really gets on sheep and cows nerves. Things like "Why the PS3 fails", "The complete (biased) list of 360 exclusives coming 2007 (including non-exclusive PC/360 titles)". The one that gets me the most, however, is "If it weren't for (insert big name Wii/PS3 title here), the PS3/Wii is nothing" - you guys may not start those threads, but you certainly don't disagree with them.

Seriously, the 360 is the console that is hanging off one game by far. Only one title that really defines the system. And that is Halo. If it wasn't for Halo, the audience wouldn't be as big as it is now. You can spit any number of titles coming our way: Mass Effect, Too Human (that game looks decent - I know you guys really want that to shine), Forza 2 etc. or even the amazing Gears of War. But just imagine: if Halo wasn't leading the pack, would the 360 be in the position it is now? Would you guys feel as confident as you are now? I honestly don't think so.

The sheep and cows have several amount of titles that define the Wii and PS3 respectively. The sheep have all the classics that casuals have at least heard of: Zelda, Metroid, and the Mario "family" (including SSBM - it may seem funny to you guys, but you're not complaining about Halo Wars right? I'm certainly not.). The PS3 is no slouch either - Insomniac and Naughty Dog games are relatively well known outside the gaming community (Jak and Ratchet have been advertised to death), Gran Turismo even more so (remember how much it rocked our socks when it first came out? Forza may be the better game, but GT is the one everyone automatically loves), and more recently, God of War has been getting quite a bit of attention.

Yet try to raise a conversation about Mass Effect or Forza with casuals and they would either not know the former, or just automatically go "It's like Gran Turismo" with the latter. Talk about the 360 with most people, and usually only one game crops up: "Hey dude, I wonder when Halo 3 is going to come out".

And you guys try and make it out like the 360 is completely owning both consoles right now. Maybe you guys just choose to ignore it, but both rival consoles have only been out for 5 months. The 360 had one year and five months. It was expected to be like this one year ago. And to think, the Wii is only 4 million units behind the 360. Five months lemmings - you need a slap back to reality.

And I hate to admit it myself, but when the PS3 actually has its big guns rolling (MotorStorm? Genji? Only Resistance? Poor showing Sony), it's going to be one helluva ride for the cows. They may just catch up in the race once Square Enix, Naughty Dog, Insomniac and the SCE devs start churning out the system sellers. And for the hardcore gamers, Team Ico will be back with another gaming classic.

If you're a cow or sheep that really does get sick of lemmings being stuck up and stuff, feel free to agree here. I'm coming from behind the lemming frontline today just because I'm getting sick of it. I'll probably go back after this, but I need to know if other people are getting annoyed.

Liquid_47

QFT

[QUOTE="Liquid_47"]

Now I've been a lemming for quite some time now (I guess I'm breaking the mould with the new generation), and to think, it has come to this...

Lemmings have become arrogant, snobbish, and think they own the place. It's hard not to notice. Perhaps lemmings don't notice, but it really gets on sheep and cows nerves. Things like "Why the PS3 fails", "The complete (biased) list of 360 exclusives coming 2007 (including non-exclusive PC/360 titles)". The one that gets me the most, however, is "If it weren't for (insert big name Wii/PS3 title here), the PS3/Wii is nothing" - you guys may not start those threads, but you certainly don't disagree with them.

Seriously, the 360 is the console that is hanging off one game by far. Only one title that really defines the system. And that is Halo. If it wasn't for Halo, the audience wouldn't be as big as it is now. You can spit any number of titles coming our way: Mass Effect, Too Human (that game looks decent - I know you guys really want that to shine), Forza 2 etc. or even the amazing Gears of War. But just imagine: if Halo wasn't leading the pack, would the 360 be in the position it is now? Would you guys feel as confident as you are now? I honestly don't think so.

The sheep and cows have several amount of titles that define the Wii and PS3 respectively. The sheep have all the classics that casuals have at least heard of: Zelda, Metroid, and the Mario "family" (including SSBM - it may seem funny to you guys, but you're not complaining about Halo Wars right? I'm certainly not.). The PS3 is no slouch either - Insomniac and Naughty Dog games are relatively well known outside the gaming community (Jak and Ratchet have been advertised to death), Gran Turismo even more so (remember how much it rocked our socks when it first came out? Forza may be the better game, but GT is the one everyone automatically loves), and more recently, God of War has been getting quite a bit of attention.

Yet try to raise a conversation about Mass Effect or Forza with casuals and they would either not know the former, or just automatically go "It's like Gran Turismo" with the latter. Talk about the 360 with most people, and usually only one game crops up: "Hey dude, I wonder when Halo 3 is going to come out".

And you guys try and make it out like the 360 is completely owning both consoles right now. Maybe you guys just choose to ignore it, but both rival consoles have only been out for 5 months. The 360 had one year and five months. It was expected to be like this one year ago. And to think, the Wii is only 4 million units behind the 360. Five months lemmings - you need a slap back to reality.

And I hate to admit it myself, but when the PS3 actually has its big guns rolling (MotorStorm? Genji? Only Resistance? Poor showing Sony), it's going to be one helluva ride for the cows. They may just catch up in the race once Square Enix, Naughty Dog, Insomniac and the SCE devs start churning out the system sellers. And for the hardcore gamers, Team Ico will be back with another gaming classic.

If you're a cow or sheep that really does get sick of lemmings being stuck up and stuff, feel free to agree here. I'm coming from behind the lemming frontline today just because I'm getting sick of it. I'll probably go back after this, but I need to know if other people are getting annoyed.

gnutux

True but cows always get shutdown :lol:

There is a reason why but it is kinda sad... 

[QUOTE="SailorMars"]This is definitely one of the best threads, I have seen around here in a long while. I actually agree with just about everything that was said. However, sadly, you must be prepared to be attacked by the astronomical number of fanboys here in SW.Liquid_47

 Thanks Chrissy. If you're in your Samus Aran suit, I shall hide behind you for protection! :P

Not related to the topic, but damn does you sig remind me of an old forumer I used to know, can't put my finger on the name though.

I'm so glad I'm getting support on this. I thought there would be more though...Liquid_47

It would be good if we can call a truce. I'm a big PS3 fan, but I'm getting sick of both sides fighting. I also think your post was definitely well though out. Think we can agree to some truce? 

Well by farrrr one game isn't the most acurate, I for one, I've never been interested on halo, and by the way, lemmings turned like that because of cows are even MORE arrogant.-KinGz-

they are more arrogant in your opinion... plus lemmings like to make up stuff at least cows didnt do that.... as often

[QUOTE="Liquid_47"]

[QUOTE="SailorMars"]This is definitely one of the best threads, I have seen around here in a long while. I actually agree with just about everything that was said. However, sadly, you must be prepared to be attacked by the astronomical number of fanboys here in SW.-RPGamer-

Thanks Chrissy. If you're in your Samus Aran suit, I shall hide behind you for protection! :P

Not related to the topic, but damn does you sig remind me of an old forumer I used to know, can't put my finger on the name though.

 Who my sig?

Every group here is arrogant and stuck up.

[QUOTE="Liquid_47"]I'm so glad I'm getting support on this. I thought there would be more though...thedarkomen

It would be good if we can call a truce. I'm a big PS3 fan, but I'm getting sick of both sides fighting. I also think your post was definitely well though out. Think we can agree to some truce?

I guess we could. But I'm speaking for you guys, not lemmings.... I guess they just need to realize that they have the potential to fall off.... fast. 

[QUOTE="thedarkomen"]

[QUOTE="Liquid_47"]I'm so glad I'm getting support on this. I thought there would be more though...Liquid_47

It would be good if we can call a truce. I'm a big PS3 fan, but I'm getting sick of both sides fighting. I also think your post was definitely well though out. Think we can agree to some truce?

I guess we could. But I'm speaking for you guys, not lemmings.... I guess they just need to realize that they have the potential to fall off.... fast.

But you're still a lemming, and that counts as something. I think your games have just as much value as the PS3's. Shouldn't this turn into a war between the noob-ill minded gamers and the intelligent ones anyhow? We have crazy ones on both sides, but the Wii fans manage to stay quiet generally.

I speak for all ps3 gamers hopefully, when i say that we really don't wish ill will on your console. By the contrary, we want competition, on all sides.

I don't want the lemmings to end up like we all did before e32006, when everyone kept putting the 360 to hell. I can imagine it was hard to be a 360 fan back then.

Everyone manages to be on good terms between the Wii, i think we can come to some agreement between the 360 and Ps3. I mean, they're both way out of eachother's price ranges. I think both could be considered ultimately different consoles. This isn't like snes vs. genesis.

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"][QUOTE="Liquid_47"]

[QUOTE="SailorMars"]This is definitely one of the best threads, I have seen around here in a long while. I actually agree with just about everything that was said. However, sadly, you must be prepared to be attacked by the astronomical number of fanboys here in SW.Liquid_47

Thanks Chrissy. If you're in your Samus Aran suit, I shall hide behind you for protection! :P

Not related to the topic, but damn does you sig remind me of an old forumer I used to know, can't put my finger on the name though.

 Who my sig?

No your sig looks identical (and so does your profile banner) to another forumer I saw what feels like a few years back now. I think he went to SWII, but not sure anymore. Sorry to bother you I just wanted to see if you were him, which doesn't seem to be the case.

Every group here is arrogant and stuck up.

-Sora

True, but the tc singles out the group he belongs in because I assume he is tired of "lemmings" bragging about how "amazing" the 360 is compared to the PS3. This is an awesome thread in terms of the consideration of the facts and the bravery it took to post it in System Wars. However, this thread will give the other three groups of fanboys a reason to not step outside their walls of arrogance to analyze themselves and consider what they say on a more constant basis. I mean, why state the arrogance of the fanboy group you belong in when someone else makes a thread saying how ignorant the group he belongs to truely is. Makes your fanboy group "superior" in a sense...

Yeah cows were arrogant back in the day... but not like this. 

Liquid_47

WOAH, WOAH, WHAT!?!? Cows were the WORST back in the day (2002-2004), you have NO IDEA how bad it got here. Cows re-invented arrogance back then, my god the whole FLOP thing was started because Cows ripped on XBOX here every day, it got so out of hand that Cows Ramza and Evil Taru created the OFJC (Official Flop Judiciary Committee). There are many Cows here now that are respectful of lemmings, back then there was NO respect, the majority of the Cows got banned they were so awful, most reside at systemwars.com now and many of them have converted to lemmings.

Are these people smoking crack that they can't remember the beating the cows use to give the lemmings over the xflop, xbox 1.5, flopbox, etc. etc...

 first off it sounds like someone with underdog syndrome.  Always has to support the underdog.  I don't mind saying that watching the cows get flamed hasn't been fun becuase really it has.  Do I think it will last?  Probably not.  But at least I can enjoy it for the small pleasure it grants for now.

[QUOTE="Liquid_47"]

Yeah cows were arrogant back in the day... but not like this.

gridlok

WOAH, WOAH, WHAT!?!? Cows were the WORST back in the day (2002-2004), you have NO IDEA how bad it got here. Cows re-invented arrogance back then, my god the whole FLOP thing was started because Cows ripped on XBOX here every day, it got so out of hand that Cows Ramza and Evil Taru created the OFJC (Official Flop Judiciary Committee). There are many Cows here now that are respectful of lemmings, back then there was NO respect, the majority of the Cows got banned they were so awful, most reside at systemwars.com now and many of them have converted to lemmings.

That's crazy talk. Yeah, fanboys can get out of control, but that doesn't mean there were more of them. Don't think that a few bad apples represent the whole barrel. Cows are the most bashed fanboy here, bar none, and it has been that way since I first joined.

Fanboys do have it coming though. 

[QUOTE="Liquid_47"]

Yeah cows were arrogant back in the day... but not like this.

gridlok

WOAH, WOAH, WHAT!?!? Cows were the WORST back in the day (2002-2004), you have NO IDEA how bad it got here. Cows re-invented arrogance back then, my god the whole FLOP thing was started because Cows ripped on XBOX here every day, it got so out of hand that Cows Ramza and Evil Taru created the OFJC (Official Flop Judiciary Committee). There are many Cows here now that are respectful of lemmings, back then there was NO respect, the majority of the Cows got banned they were so awful, most reside at systemwars.com now and many of them have converted to lemmings.

I agree, we were very awful group, but you have to understand. A lot of them don't represent us as a whole, and we really just like to game and regular debates are fun. And yes, it can happen again to us. Cows can become the most vile evil fanboy group and reign terror. 

But this war is rediculous, we've all bashed eachother so much, that there's nothing left to bash. Nintendo and Sony fans became friends eventually, I don't see many of eachother pointing eachother's flaws out.

It's always cows vs. lemmings, or lemmings vs. cows. Why? there's no point now, we have two completely different consoles. I think if Sony and Nintendo fans could stop bashing eachother generally after the ps1/n64 war, i think both of our groups can stop bashing now too.

Now I've been a lemming for quite some time now (I guess I'm breaking the mould with the new generation), and to think, it has come to this...

Lemmings have become arrogant, snobbish, and think they own the place. It's hard not to notice. Perhaps lemmings don't notice, but it really gets on sheep and cows nerves. Things like "Why the PS3 fails", "The complete (biased) list of 360 exclusives coming 2007 (including non-exclusive PC/360 titles)". The one that gets me the most, however, is "If it weren't for (insert big name Wii/PS3 title here), the PS3/Wii is nothing" - you guys may not start those threads, but you certainly don't disagree with them.

Seriously, the 360 is the console that is hanging off one game by far. Only one title that really defines the system. And that is Halo. If it wasn't for Halo, the audience wouldn't be as big as it is now. You can spit any number of titles coming our way: Mass Effect, Too Human (that game looks decent - I know you guys really want that to shine), Forza 2 etc. or even the amazing Gears of War. But just imagine: if Halo wasn't leading the pack, would the 360 be in the position it is now? Would you guys feel as confident as you are now? I honestly don't think so.

The sheep and cows have several amount of titles that define the Wii and PS3 respectively. The sheep have all the classics that casuals have at least heard of: Zelda, Metroid, and the Mario "family" (including SSBM - it may seem funny to you guys, but you're not complaining about Halo Wars right? I'm certainly not.). The PS3 is no slouch either - Insomniac and Naughty Dog games are relatively well known outside the gaming community (Jak and Ratchet have been advertised to death), Gran Turismo even more so (remember how much it rocked our socks when it first came out? Forza may be the better game, but GT is the one everyone automatically loves), and more recently, God of War has been getting quite a bit of attention.

Yet try to raise a conversation about Mass Effect or Forza with casuals and they would either not know the former, or just automatically go "It's like Gran Turismo" with the latter. Talk about the 360 with most people, and usually only one game crops up: "Hey dude, I wonder when Halo 3 is going to come out".

And you guys try and make it out like the 360 is completely owning both consoles right now. Maybe you guys just choose to ignore it, but both rival consoles have only been out for 5 months. The 360 had one year and five months. It was expected to be like this one year ago. And to think, the Wii is only 4 million units behind the 360. Five months lemmings - you need a slap back to reality.

And I hate to admit it myself, but when the PS3 actually has its big guns rolling (MotorStorm? Genji? Only Resistance? Poor showing Sony), it's going to be one helluva ride for the cows. They may just catch up in the race once Square Enix, Naughty Dog, Insomniac and the SCE devs start churning out the system sellers. And for the hardcore gamers, Team Ico will be back with another gaming classic.

If you're a cow or sheep that really does get sick of lemmings being stuck up and stuff, feel free to agree here. I'm coming from behind the lemming frontline today just because I'm getting sick of it. I'll probably go back after this, but I need to know if other people are getting annoyed.

Liquid_47

You take this stuff way too seriously lol

Did you read my locked thread? This is why I asked those question to lemmings. They really think their system is hot sh^te. I'm stunned everyday to see them talk about games that the masses don't even care about. I agree with your post. I'm not annoyed by them, just amazed the level of cockyness they have. shungokustasu

This is coming from a PS3 fan: they deserved to be cocky after what they went through from before last E3.

Now that it's all said and done, I think we can come to some agreements and stop bashing eachother. 

Did you read my locked thread?  This is why I asked those question to lemmings. They really think their system is hot sh^te. I'm stunned everyday to see them talk about games that the masses don't even care about. I agree with your post. I'm not annoyed by them, just amazed the level of cockyness they have. shungokustasu

Awww,

you sound like my lil nephew who always looses to me in games,

And I'd have to give him a couple free rounds to cheer him up.

lol

Now I've been a lemming for quite some time now (I guess I'm breaking the mould with the new generation), and to think, it has come to this...

Lemmings have become arrogant, snobbish, and think they own the place. It's hard not to notice. Perhaps lemmings don't notice, but it really gets on sheep and cows nerves. Things like "Why the PS3 fails", "The complete (biased) list of 360 exclusives coming 2007 (including non-exclusive PC/360 titles)". The one that gets me the most, however, is "If it weren't for (insert big name Wii/PS3 title here), the PS3/Wii is nothing" - you guys may not start those threads, but you certainly don't disagree with them.

Seriously, the 360 is the console that is hanging off one game by far. Only one title that really defines the system. And that is Halo. If it wasn't for Halo, the audience wouldn't be as big as it is now. You can spit any number of titles coming our way: Mass Effect, Too Human (that game looks decent - I know you guys really want that to shine), Forza 2 etc. or even the amazing Gears of War. But just imagine: if Halo wasn't leading the pack, would the 360 be in the position it is now? Would you guys feel as confident as you are now? I honestly don't think so.

The sheep and cows have several amount of titles that define the Wii and PS3 respectively. The sheep have all the classics that casuals have at least heard of: Zelda, Metroid, and the Mario "family" (including SSBM - it may seem funny to you guys, but you're not complaining about Halo Wars right? I'm certainly not.). The PS3 is no slouch either - Insomniac and Naughty Dog games are relatively well known outside the gaming community (Jak and Ratchet have been advertised to death), Gran Turismo even more so (remember how much it rocked our socks when it first came out? Forza may be the better game, but GT is the one everyone automatically loves), and more recently, God of War has been getting quite a bit of attention.

Yet try to raise a conversation about Mass Effect or Forza with casuals and they would either not know the former, or just automatically go "It's like Gran Turismo" with the latter. Talk about the 360 with most people, and usually only one game crops up: "Hey dude, I wonder when Halo 3 is going to come out".

And you guys try and make it out like the 360 is completely owning both consoles right now. Maybe you guys just choose to ignore it, but both rival consoles have only been out for 5 months. The 360 had one year and five months. It was expected to be like this one year ago. And to think, the Wii is only 4 million units behind the 360. Five months lemmings - you need a slap back to reality.

And I hate to admit it myself, but when the PS3 actually has its big guns rolling (MotorStorm? Genji? Only Resistance? Poor showing Sony), it's going to be one helluva ride for the cows. They may just catch up in the race once Square Enix, Naughty Dog, Insomniac and the SCE devs start churning out the system sellers. And for the hardcore gamers, Team Ico will be back with another gaming classic.

If you're a cow or sheep that really does get sick of lemmings being stuck up and stuff, feel free to agree here. I'm coming from behind the lemming frontline today just because I'm getting sick of it. I'll probably go back after this, but I need to know if other people are getting annoyed.

Liquid_47

This is definitely one of the best threads, I have seen around here in a long while. I actually agree with just about everything that was said. However, sadly, you must be prepared to be attacked by the astronomical number of fanboys here in SW.SailorMars

[QUOTE="Liquid_47"]

Now I've been a lemming for quite some time now (I guess I'm breaking the mould with the new generation), and to think, it has come to this...

Lemmings have become arrogant, snobbish, and think they own the place. It's hard not to notice. Perhaps lemmings don't notice, but it really gets on sheep and cows nerves. Things like "Why the PS3 fails", "The complete (biased) list of 360 exclusives coming 2007 (including non-exclusive PC/360 titles)". The one that gets me the most, however, is "If it weren't for (insert big name Wii/PS3 title here), the PS3/Wii is nothing" - you guys may not start those threads, but you certainly don't disagree with them.

Seriously, the 360 is the console that is hanging off one game by far. Only one title that really defines the system. And that is Halo. If it wasn't for Halo, the audience wouldn't be as big as it is now. You can spit any number of titles coming our way: Mass Effect, Too Human (that game looks decent - I know you guys really want that to shine), Forza 2 etc. or even the amazing Gears of War. But just imagine: if Halo wasn't leading the pack, would the 360 be in the position it is now? Would you guys feel as confident as you are now? I honestly don't think so.

The sheep and cows have several amount of titles that define the Wii and PS3 respectively. The sheep have all the classics that casuals have at least heard of: Zelda, Metroid, and the Mario "family" (including SSBM - it may seem funny to you guys, but you're not complaining about Halo Wars right? I'm certainly not.). The PS3 is no slouch either - Insomniac and Naughty Dog games are relatively well known outside the gaming community (Jak and Ratchet have been advertised to death), Gran Turismo even more so (remember how much it rocked our socks when it first came out? Forza may be the better game, but GT is the one everyone automatically loves), and more recently, God of War has been getting quite a bit of attention.

Yet try to raise a conversation about Mass Effect or Forza with casuals and they would either not know the former, or just automatically go "It's like Gran Turismo" with the latter. Talk about the 360 with most people, and usually only one game crops up: "Hey dude, I wonder when Halo 3 is going to come out".

And you guys try and make it out like the 360 is completely owning both consoles right now. Maybe you guys just choose to ignore it, but both rival consoles have only been out for 5 months. The 360 had one year and five months. It was expected to be like this one year ago. And to think, the Wii is only 4 million units behind the 360. Five months lemmings - you need a slap back to reality.

And I hate to admit it myself, but when the PS3 actually has its big guns rolling (MotorStorm? Genji? Only Resistance? Poor showing Sony), it's going to be one helluva ride for the cows. They may just catch up in the race once Square Enix, Naughty Dog, Insomniac and the SCE devs start churning out the system sellers. And for the hardcore gamers, Team Ico will be back with another gaming classic.

If you're a cow or sheep that really does get sick of lemmings being stuck up and stuff, feel free to agree here. I'm coming from behind the lemming frontline today just because I'm getting sick of it. I'll probably go back after this, but I need to know if other people are getting annoyed.

swaginator

Counter-attacked!

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]Did you read my locked thread? This is why I asked those question to lemmings. They really think their system is hot sh^te. I'm stunned everyday to see them talk about games that the masses don't even care about. I agree with your post. I'm not annoyed by them, just amazed the level of cockyness they have. billing

Awww,

you sound like my lil nephew who always looses to me in games,

And I'd have to give him a couple free rounds to cheer him up.

lol

I use to get question by smart intelligent people. Lately people like you response. I blame it on me. If I type garbage I attract garbage. 

Now I've been a lemming for quite some time now (I guess I'm breaking the mould with the new generation), and to think, it has come to this...

Lemmings have become arrogant, snobbish, and think they own the place. It's hard not to notice. Perhaps lemmings don't notice, but it really gets on sheep and cows nerves. Things like "Why the PS3 fails", "The complete (biased) list of 360 exclusives coming 2007 (including non-exclusive PC/360 titles)". The one that gets me the most, however, is "If it weren't for (insert big name Wii/PS3 title here), the PS3/Wii is nothing" - you guys may not start those threads, but you certainly don't disagree with them.

Seriously, the 360 is the console that is hanging off one game by far. Only one title that really defines the system. And that is Halo. If it wasn't for Halo, the audience wouldn't be as big as it is now. You can spit any number of titles coming our way: Mass Effect, Too Human (that game looks decent - I know you guys really want that to shine), Forza 2 etc. or even the amazing Gears of War. But just imagine: if Halo wasn't leading the pack, would the 360 be in the position it is now? Would you guys feel as confident as you are now? I honestly don't think so.

The sheep and cows have several amount of titles that define the Wii and PS3 respectively. The sheep have all the classics that casuals have at least heard of: Zelda, Metroid, and the Mario "family" (including SSBM - it may seem funny to you guys, but you're not complaining about Halo Wars right? I'm certainly not.). The PS3 is no slouch either - Insomniac and Naughty Dog games are relatively well known outside the gaming community (Jak and Ratchet have been advertised to death), Gran Turismo even more so (remember how much it rocked our socks when it first came out? Forza may be the better game, but GT is the one everyone automatically loves), and more recently, God of War has been getting quite a bit of attention.

Yet try to raise a conversation about Mass Effect or Forza with casuals and they would either not know the former, or just automatically go "It's like Gran Turismo" with the latter. Talk about the 360 with most people, and usually only one game crops up: "Hey dude, I wonder when Halo 3 is going to come out".

And you guys try and make it out like the 360 is completely owning both consoles right now. Maybe you guys just choose to ignore it, but both rival consoles have only been out for 5 months. The 360 had one year and five months. It was expected to be like this one year ago. And to think, the Wii is only 4 million units behind the 360. Five months lemmings - you need a slap back to reality.

And I hate to admit it myself, but when the PS3 actually has its big guns rolling (MotorStorm? Genji? Only Resistance? Poor showing Sony), it's going to be one helluva ride for the cows. They may just catch up in the race once Square Enix, Naughty Dog, Insomniac and the SCE devs start churning out the system sellers. And for the hardcore gamers, Team Ico will be back with another gaming classic.

If you're a cow or sheep that really does get sick of lemmings being stuck up and stuff, feel free to agree here. I'm coming from behind the lemming frontline today just because I'm getting sick of it. I'll probably go back after this, but I need to know if other people are getting annoyed.

Liquid_47

Agreed 

[QUOTE="SailorMars"]This is definitely one of the best threads, I have seen around here in a long while. I actually agree with just about everything that was said. However, sadly, you must be prepared to be attacked by the astronomical number of fanboys here in SW.-Sir-Poof-

I'll defend him coming from the other side of the pond.

You say that lemmings rely on one game? So why is it that month after month the 360 dominates the software sales charts with NEW IP's. Oh and if so few people know about 360 games why is it that Oblivion sold like mad when released on the 360 and hit #20 on the PS3?

Good post overall though. Just a bit of flawed logic. 

Did you read my locked thread? This is why I asked those question to lemmings. They really think their system is hot sh^te. I'm stunned everyday to see them talk about games that the masses don't even care about. I agree with your post. I'm not annoyed by them, just amazed the level of cockyness they have. shungokustasu

You made a negative thread about PCs then you made a thread titled Wow...360 fans have no right to bash PC, sorry that Sounds arrogant to me.

Cows, lemmings, sheep.

All arrogant, all full of themselves, all biased.

You're not looking at the gray area, my friend. Cows and sheep aren't as innocent as they are 'suggested' in the thread. 

I do smile inside when I see all the happy gamers who line up just to buy Halo. I can't see why since I'm not a fan of it, though.

We're really glad you have a game like Halo to be excited about.

I hope you feel the same about something like MGS4 too. 

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"]Did you read my locked thread? This is why I asked those question to lemmings. They really think their system is hot sh^te. I'm stunned everyday to see them talk about games that the masses don't even care about. I agree with your post. I'm not annoyed by them, just amazed the level of cockyness they have. demoralizer

You made a negative thread about PCs then you made a thread titled Wow...360 fans have no right to bash PC, sorry that Sounds arrogant to me.

because 360 is nothing but a low end PC. 360 bashing the PC is like them basing themseleves. I was trying to help lemmings from future ownage. 

Cows, lemmings, sheep.

All arrogant, all full of themselves, all biased.

You're not looking at the gray area, my friend. Cows and sheep aren't as innocent as they are 'suggested' in the thread.

BK-Sleeper

I don't think lemmings are all full of themselves. I think all sides have good fans.