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[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]Yeah I only count 3 PS3 exclusive AAA's... Why are you counting just AAA, TC? That's not a very good judgment. blahzor
If you're going to count goo for the pc, why are we not counting it for the wii? For that matter, why are we not counting braid and geometry wars if we're counting goo?
goo may be availible at retail for the PC in some locations(so i've heard), but it got the same score on both systems, is cheaper on wii and even has extras on wii(coop). If you're going to give it equal weight against LBP, MGS4 and the like then you should also be advocating for counting the wii as having 4 AAA games and the 360 as having 9 too.
You might want to read my post again. I did not mention World of Goo as a PC exclusive, and this argument is pretty much PC vs PS3 (of course, still abiding by the fact that those PC AAA multiplats are still multiplats).
WOLK is an expansion pack.....Truth-slayer
So?
Can we really count expansion packs as full games? Seeing as how they are just an addition to the original game. Consoles don't get additional AAAs released from downloadable content on something like Mass Effect or Burnout's bike. Granted I know they are smaller, but it's the same type of thing. I know they(expansions) are not even considered for game of the year awards. white_sox
"Buh teh PS3 has no games?" :lol: I'm joking. Anyways, good to see the PS3 is getting great games. 2008 has been a good year for gaming.
http://www.gamespot.com/games.html?type=top_rated&mode=all&sort=score&dlx_type=all&date_filter=year&sortdir=asc&official=all%20»
Listen, I am too lazy to make a list of games for each platform. You can count yourself. PS3 beat PC, and every other platform this year, with a total of 2 AAAA games.
Congratulations, PS3. You won 2008. You beat the juggernaut known as PC even with Fallout getting an 8.5 on your system.
DeathScape666
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[QUOTE="white_sox"]Can we really count expansion packs as full games? Seeing as how they are just an addition to the original game. Consoles don't get additional AAAs released from downloadable content on something like Mass Effect or Burnout's bike. Granted I know they are smaller, but it's the same type of thing. I know they(expansions) are not even considered for game of the year awards. foxhound_fox
[QUOTE="aliblabla2007"]WOLK is an expansion pack..... Yet Wrath of the Lich King has more playable hours and content than alot of consoles gamesThe PC has 9. Count again.
Those games are:
- Grand Theft Auto IV
- World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King
- Crysis Warhead
- Mass Effect
- Galactic Civilizations II: Twilight of the Arnor
- Dead Space
- Fallout 3
- Sins of a Solar Empire
- World of Goo
The PC wins the AAA exclusives battle with 4 AAA+ exclusives (the bolded) against the PS3's 3:
- Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots
- Resistance 2
- LittleBigPlanet
Correct me if wrong.Truth-slayer
How can anyone deny PS3 won this year. signoreLast place in sales... the 2 great games where lbp and MGS4, kiddy games and cheesy stories ftw... PSN still loaded with problems. I got em both, actually i got all three and 360 gets 9/10 hours of gaming. Anyway, my setup beats the crap out of single console owners, what do i care.
Topics like this one frustate me - the winner of the generation is not determined by GameSpot review scores - this was established in anarchy vote, and has been the rule since.
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Disqualifying downloadable titles is idiotic. It's like saying "MP3s don't count as music, only albums released on vinyl count!". Uh-huh, right - so I guess all of those downloadable levels in Little Big Planet are dumb, right? Oh and forget about Counter-Strike, a downloadable mod. Who wants that? Oh, and PC games - forget them too!
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To top it all off, GameSpot failed to review quite a few PC games, making it basically a contest of "what games did GameSpot get around to reviewing" rather than "which system offers the broadest library?". Of course, being System Wars, a pointless "showdown" is always in fashion, but still, I mean, really? We're smarter than this.
Can we really count expansion packs as full games? Seeing as how they are just an addition to the original game. Consoles don't get additional AAAs released from downloadable content on something like Mass Effect or Burnout's bike. Granted I know they are smaller, but it's the same type of thing. I know they(expansions) are not even considered for game of the year awards. white_soxYes expansion packs are full games... look at Crysis Warhead...
Can we really count expansion packs as full games? Seeing as how they are just an addition to the original game. Consoles don't get additional AAAs released from downloadable content on something like Mass Effect or Burnout's bike. Granted I know they are smaller, but it's the same type of thing. I know they(expansions) are not even considered for game of the year awards. white_sox
Expansions like the Lich King have more content then any crappy freaking console game you've ever played. (Unless you want to count all the user crap content in LBP)
Yeah this year went to PS3, it was a bit weak for PC. But exclusive vise, and I mean AAEs included PS3 really hasn't got much to celebrate either. After the top trio of MGS4, LPB and R2 it's pretty quiet ..I think there was VC, Motorstorm2 and some baseball game, but that's about it. mr_mozilla
Your right PC had a down year coming off 2007 and yet still managed to win the AAA/AA Exclusive race, man are consoles pathetic.
Since World of Goo is a DL game on Wii, it should count as a DL game on PC.WAIW
I've seen retail copies of the Wii version of World of Goo, so no, it counts as a real game on both systems.
[QUOTE="DeathScape666"][QUOTE="Dick_Derringer"] YuplocopathoNo, downloable games DO NOT count.Haha 9 for the Xbox too if we do. Very even year :P hahaha! downloadables DO count. Better luck next time Deathscape :P
Have you guys really not been here the past 6 months? DL games don't count. You should have argued against that point all those months ago when it was first generally agreed upon. Since World of Goo is a DL game on Wii, it should count as a DL game on PC.WAIWActually, not only do downloadable games count, but it cannot be overturned by a "popular decision". The anarchy vote states clearly that there are no official rules. You'll also notice in Welcome & Information there is absolutely *nothing* outlawing downloadable games. - All someone has to do is demonstrate that it is logical to consider downloadable games to be games - which I've already done in this thread. Saying "downloadable games don't count" is like saying "MP3s aren't music until you burn them to a CD". Where I bought a game, the media it is on, is irrelevant. Whether I buy a game at Best Buy, or download it off STEAM, it winds up on my hard drive - there is *zero* difference between a downloaded game versus a disc-based game, as far as my PC is concerned. - Is a digital download a game? Yes. Do you pay for it? Yes. Is it on a system? Yes again. It plays like a game, it looks like a game, it is a game. The whole "DLC doesn't count" nonsense also gets worse - because Microsoft has released a number of XBLA titles as collections in retail. When you say "Braid doesn't count because it's DLC" you're betting that it will *never* be in a disc copy, but you're also making an arbitrary distinction for no good reason. - To top it all of, there is a great deal of evidence that future consoles will get the majority of their content via download, not necesarily in the next gen, but within the decade - you're ruling out future games simply based on an ludite philosophy that falsely thinks of games as the disk themselves, rather than the *code* that compromises them. - In short - no, you're wrong. There is absolutely NO reason DLC cannot be counted, and anyone saying otherwise is stating something that is untrue. Digital download or disk, it doesn't matter, so long as it was released, it counts.
[QUOTE="signore"]How can anyone deny PS3 won this year. sebbi11Last place in sales... the 2 great games where lbp and MGS4, kiddy games and cheesy stories ftw... PSN still loaded with problems. I got em both, actually i got all three and 360 gets 9/10 hours of gaming. Anyway, my setup beats the crap out of single console owners, what do i care. You forgot to mention R2, what a great game :). And PSN isn't "loaded with problems" the network is fine and has evolved a great deal this year alone (new store, in-game XMB, trophies, profiles, information board Life with PS, Home). I have all three systems as well and PS3 got more playtime from me this year. I'm also more interested and excited about its future. When you have all systems I can really come down to subjectivity of the games releasing.
[QUOTE="signore"]How can anyone deny PS3 won this year. sebbi11Last place in sales... the 2 great games where lbp and MGS4, kiddy games and cheesy stories ftw... PSN still loaded with problems. I got em both, actually i got all three and 360 gets 9/10 hours of gaming. Anyway, my setup beats the crap out of single console owners, what do i care. I didn't know PSN was loaded with problems :o. Owning all consoles is the way to go IMO. I want just about every gaming experience I can get this gen.
[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]So PS3 wins but PSP loses miserably, if I don't count the PS2. Yep, PS3 wins 2008.Al3x_n90
Yup, i wonder how lems and hermist will react?
It was still pretty close, so no hard feelings:PEveryone trying to own me and saying downloadble games count, how about you read the rest of the freaking thread instead of repeating what everyone else said so you can realize that I admitted ownage. :| Jesus Christ...DeathScape666well people just like highlighting how very wrong you were :P
The Wii is irrelevant at all :lol:
Ok both arguments makes sense, what we would go with? count or doesn't count?
Im leaning towards doesn't count just to be fair, the independent games have a different experience than multimillion developed games, Im trying to compare Braid with the likes of Gears and MGS4 and I can't say Braid is better than any of the games mentioned, however, it is a better game than ehochrome.
So I want to know something, is there an award for best independent/dlc game?
[QUOTE="DeathScape666"]Everyone trying to own me and saying downloadble games count, how about you read the rest of the freaking thread instead of repeating what everyone else said so you can realize that I admitted ownage. :| Jesus Christ...thegoldenpoowell people just like highlighting how very wrong you were :P Except everyone agreed with me that these type of games didn't count until they realized the PC would lose without them. System Wars' rules changed so it would benefit the PC.
[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="DeathScape666"] No, downloable games DO NOT count.thegoldenpooHaha 9 for the Xbox too if we do. Very even year :P hahaha! downloadables DO count. Better luck next time Deathscape :P Yeah, they only counted when they were the Xbx 360's only AAAEs earlier this year...
[QUOTE="thegoldenpoo"][QUOTE="DeathScape666"]Everyone trying to own me and saying downloadble games count, how about you read the rest of the freaking thread instead of repeating what everyone else said so you can realize that I admitted ownage. :| Jesus Christ...DeathScape666well people just like highlighting how very wrong you were :P Except everyone agreed with me that these type of games didn't count until they realized the PC would lose without them. System Wars' rules changed so it would benefit the PC.
You guys are simplifying everything too much. By saying that expansion packs or DL games count it doesn't mean that they have equal weight(though they could depending on the games in question).
What it means is that they can be(and we are acknowledging that they are) very important assests to a systems library. Braid may not be better then LBP, but it's an important part of the 360's library that you cannot dismiss. It's a game that helps round out the xbox experience and provides things alot of games on the other systems are not providing. How important is it to the 360's library? does it propel the 360 beyond the PC or the PS3 or the Wii? that's for us to debate, along with all of the other great, good and interesting/diverse games and what it means to the system.
We've already decided that scores don't determine the best games and the best systems, so why are we not practising this? We could be developing a well thought out arguement as to why each system is good/better in comparison to other system.. ones that don't require scores; and having some actual interesting debates rather then just saying "Wii has 3 AAA games! Wii loses everything and is dumb". SW needs to drop its fixation on needing a well(and strictly/simple) defined winner.
ALso, i thought it had been proven long ago that just becasue one game scores higher then another doesn't mean it is better.
[QUOTE="DeathScape666"][QUOTE="Dick_Derringer"] YupDick_DerringerNo, downloable games DO NOT count. Every PC game is downloadable. :|I dont get this guys logic either. But either way PC is just a different beast compared to consoles. If that were the case then he should of stated in the beginning of his post "not including DLable games" but it's to late for that. I believe all games should be included, even if no physical media is available for them.
[QUOTE="Dick_Derringer"][QUOTE="DeathScape666"] No, downloable games DO NOT count.FusibleEvery PC game is downloadable. :|I dont get this guys logic either. But either way PC is just a different beast compared to consoles. If that were the case then he should of stated in the beginning of his post "not including DLable games" but it's to late for that. I believe all games should be included, even if no physical media is available for them. ^^^^This. we seem to have to narrow an idea what a 'real game' is, take Braid for example. 9.5. is it better than some full retail games, say.... Haze? Hell yes! so why do people try to belittle it as a free standing AAA game. its a game. Its AAA. what's not to get?
Can we really count expansion packs as full games? Seeing as how they are just an addition to the original game. Consoles don't get additional AAAs released from downloadable content on something like Mass Effect or Burnout's bike. Granted I know they are smaller, but it's the same type of thing. I know they(expansions) are not even considered for game of the year awards. white_soxNot quite, most expansions on pC get sold as stand alones on consoles. But either way most expansions dont get considered because they didn't really bring a big change from the original. So why even consider it. This getting to be a ridiculous argument, guess what I win because I get to play all.
I'm pretty sure Mass Effect is exclusively AAA on the PC. Can I play an AAA version anywhere else? :PThe PC has 9. Count again.
Those games are:
- Grand Theft Auto IV
- World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King
- Crysis Warhead
- Mass Effect
- Galactic Civilizations II: Twilight of the Arnor
- Dead Space
- Fallout 3
- Sins of a Solar Empire
- World of Goo
The PC wins the AAA exclusives battle with 4 AAA+ exclusives (the bolded) against the PS3's 3:
- Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots
- Resistance 2
- LittleBigPlanet
Correct me if wrong.aliblabla2007
[QUOTE="aliblabla2007"]I'm pretty sure Mass Effect is exclusively AAA on the PC. Can I play an AAA version anywhere else? :P With that logic, we could say games like Skate on 360 are exclusive.The PC has 9. Count again.
Those games are:
- Grand Theft Auto IV
- World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King
- Crysis Warhead
- Mass Effect
- Galactic Civilizations II: Twilight of the Arnor
- Dead Space
- Fallout 3
- Sins of a Solar Empire
- World of Goo
The PC wins the AAA exclusives battle with 4 AAA+ exclusives (the bolded) against the PS3's 3:
- Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots
- Resistance 2
- LittleBigPlanet
Correct me if wrong.blue_hazy_basic
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