according to NPD: wii software outsold 360 software in december

[QUOTE="aerman176"]Well, that makes me simultaneously happy and worried. I'm happy because quality games like SMG are selling well, but worried that garbage like wii play is selling multi-millions. It troubles me to think of what message that sends to devs about the amount of effort they should invest in their games.locopatho

That sells cos of the controller they are usually impossible to find without Wii Play packed in.

woops, I completely forgot that it was a pack in with a controller :P

[QUOTE="DireToad"][QUOTE="locopatho"]

[QUOTE="DireToad"]Sales sales sales sales sales sales sales sales.



Anything else?
mjarantilla

GOTY :P

The GCN didn't have the Wii's support.

Face it, it's over. You haters don't have a leg to stand on anymore. Oh, except for "Bu-bu-but we have more AAs and AAAs based on the arbitrary opinions of random reviewers who in no way represent the opinions of the REAL WORLD."

The GCN didn't have the Wii's support.

mjarantilla

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

The GCN didn't have the Wii's support.

DireToad

And even with the Wii's immense support, it still doesn't have the amount of quality games the 360 and PS3 have. I mean c'mon, the PS3 has more quality games than the Wii even with its lackluster sales.

DireToad

Opinion... I think the PS3 and Wii have respectable lineups in their own ways. The PS3 gets the good multiplats while the Wii already has its popular exclusive franchises in its first year such as Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Paper Mario and Resident Evil.

[QUOTE="DireToad"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

The GCN didn't have the Wii's support.

Haziqonfire

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

The GCN didn't have the Wii's support.

DireToad

Cows/lemmings show their math skills again. Average dev time for a decent game is two years or more. It's barely been one year. 12 months =/= 24 months no matter how much you spin it. The argument is alive until at least the next TGS or E3.

Second, regarding quality games, that's bull. Quality is in the eye of the beholder, and speaking as one of the ex-console gamers Nintendo targeted, let me tell you, you can keep the kind of quality the 360/PS3 put out, because it's all been done before. The Wii appeals to gamers who are tired of games that pretend to be John Woo action movies. The Wii has already demonstrated its ability to deliver new experiences or to revamp and improve old experiences, and that's the important thing. The Wii may lack quantity, but anyone who buys a Wii knows that quantity inevitably comes over time, especially when it's selling 15 million systems per year AND keeping up in software sales, too.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="DireToad"][QUOTE="locopatho"]

[QUOTE="DireToad"]Sales sales sales sales sales sales sales sales.



Anything else?
DireToad

GOTY :P

The GCN didn't have the Wii's support.

Face it, it's over. You haters don't have a leg to stand on anymore. Oh, except for "Bu-bu-but we have more AAs and AAAs based on the arbitrary opinions of random reviewers who in no way represent the opinions of the REAL WORLD."

Personally speaking, sure, why not? It's a small point.

I wouldn't say developers have no faith in the Wii, they're just lazy when it comes to making games with more quality. Devs are looking at the Wii more seriously now though, because of its rapidly increasing userbase. Square-Enix and Factor 5 for example are taking Wii as their priority, and games such as Fatal Frame and Monster Hunter are having their series moved to the Wii, when they were previously on Playstation consoles.

[QUOTE="DireToad"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

The GCN didn't have the Wii's support.

mjarantilla

Cows/lemmings show their math skills again. Average dev time for a decent game is two years or more. It's barely been one year. 12 months =/= 24 months no matter how much you spin it. The argument is alive until at least the next TGS or E3.

Second, regarding quality games, that's bull. Quality is in the eye of the beholder, and speaking as one of the ex-console gamers Nintendo targeted, let me tell you, you can keep the kind of quality the 360/PS3 put out, because it's all been done before. The Wii appeals to gamers who are tired of games that pretend to be John Woo action movies. The Wii has already demonstrated its ability to deliver new experiences or to revamp and improve old experiences, and that's the important thing. The Wii may lack quantity, but anyone who buys a Wii knows that quantity inevitably comes over time, especially when it's selling 15 million systems per year AND keeping up in software sales, too.

I wouldn't say developers have no faith in the Wii, they're just lazy when it comes to making games with more quality. Devs are looking at the Wii more seriously now though, because of its rapidly increasing userbase. Square-Enix and Factor 5 for example are taking Wii as their priority, and games such as Fatal Frame and Monster Hunter are having their series moved to the Wii, when they were previously on Playstation consoles.

Erebyssial

Western devs are the ones who don't show faith in the Wii, and that's mainly because Western devs are so fixated on their games' technological performance and cinematic appearance.

ehh wii sold the most consoles, casuals bought 1 game with there wii, now in january things return to normal 360 > wii software-platy-

If you're going to make something look like fact, the smart thing to do is give a link as evidence.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="DireToad"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

The GCN didn't have the Wii's support.

DireToad

Cows/lemmings show their math skills again. Average dev time for a decent game is two years or more. It's barely been one year. 12 months =/= 24 months no matter how much you spin it. The argument is alive until at least the next TGS or E3.

Second, regarding quality games, that's bull. Quality is in the eye of the beholder, and speaking as one of the ex-console gamers Nintendo targeted, let me tell you, you can keep the kind of quality the 360/PS3 put out, because it's all been done before. The Wii appeals to gamers who are tired of games that pretend to be John Woo action movies. The Wii has already demonstrated its ability to deliver new experiences or to revamp and improve old experiences, and that's the important thing. The Wii may lack quantity, but anyone who buys a Wii knows that quantity inevitably comes over time, especially when it's selling 15 million systems per year AND keeping up in software sales, too.

LOL, you seem to forget just how dismal the 360's first year really was. Lemmings were ridiculed back then for using "Just wait" as well. The 360 had NO killer app during its first year until Gears. Sure, it had COD2, GRAW, and Oblivion, but the Wii has had even more desireable games in its first year (Zelda TP alone kicks those games to the curb in terms of desireability), and there's no way you'll convince anyone that games like Kameo, Saints Row, and Dead Rising, which have totally disappeared off anyone's radar, are better qualified to be called "highly anticipated high-quality games" than games like Super Paper Mario, RE4, Z&W, etc., let alone games like SMG, Mass Effect, BioShock, and Halo 3.

For ten months of 2006, it was always "Just wait until Gears of War" for lemmings. FFS, lemmings even considered Prey and Chromehounds to be "games of interest."

[QUOTE="DireToad"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="DireToad"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

The GCN didn't have the Wii's support.

mjarantilla

Cows/lemmings show their math skills again. Average dev time for a decent game is two years or more. It's barely been one year. 12 months =/= 24 months no matter how much you spin it. The argument is alive until at least the next TGS or E3.

Second, regarding quality games, that's bull. Quality is in the eye of the beholder, and speaking as one of the ex-console gamers Nintendo targeted, let me tell you, you can keep the kind of quality the 360/PS3 put out, because it's all been done before. The Wii appeals to gamers who are tired of games that pretend to be John Woo action movies. The Wii has already demonstrated its ability to deliver new experiences or to revamp and improve old experiences, and that's the important thing. The Wii may lack quantity, but anyone who buys a Wii knows that quantity inevitably comes over time, especially when it's selling 15 million systems per year AND keeping up in software sales, too.

LOL, you seem to forget just how dismal the 360's first year really was. Lemmings were ridiculed back then for using "Just wait" as well. The 360 had NO killer app during its first year until Gears. Sure, it had COD2, GRAW, and Oblivion, but the Wii has had even more desireable games in its first year (Zelda TP alone kicks those games to the curb in terms of desireability), and there's no way you'll convince anyone that games like Kameo, Saints Row, and Dead Rising, which have totally disappeared off anyone's radar, are better qualified to be called "highly anticipated high-quality games" than games like Super Paper Mario, RE4, Z&W, etc., let alone games like SMG, Mass Effect, BioShock, and Halo 3.

For ten months of 2006, it was always "Just wait until Gears of War" for lemmings. FFS, lemmings even considered Prey and Chromehounds to be "games of interest."

So true, man.

Lemmings seem to forget that one crucial point, 360 first year was crap.

Yes the 360's 17 million hardcore Gamers playing GeOW, Halo 3, and CoD4. are inferior to an army of bored moms and grandparents buying Carnival games. Sure.mathew952

And I could call the 360 users an army of 7 year old kids who buy shooter games and play online because they think it's cool.

See how easy that was?

Yes the 360's 17 million hardcore Gamers playing GeOW, Halo 3, and CoD4. are inferior to an army of bored moms and grandparents buying Carnival games. Sure.mathew952

None of those games you listed could be considered hardcore, if you want hardcore go play osme 2d games.

Hell go play contra 4

NOOOOOOO. The Wii's software outsold its competition for one month. It must be the best and most sucessful console ever!!!! It is now indisputable fact that Wii software sells better than Xbox 360 software, because it did so one month out of the year. Flawless logic.

Come on, seriously.

NOOOOOOO. The Wii's software outsold its competition for one month. It must be the best and most sucessful console ever!!!! It is now indisputable fact that Wii software sells better than Xbox 360 software, because it did so one month out of the year. Flawless logic.

Come on, seriously.

LordMontezuma

The point is that Wii owners do actually buy games, when all the haters say they don't. The fact that it beat the 360 isn't the most important thing.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="DireToad"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="DireToad"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

The GCN didn't have the Wii's support.

Marth6781

Cows/lemmings show their math skills again. Average dev time for a decent game is two years or more. It's barely been one year. 12 months =/= 24 months no matter how much you spin it. The argument is alive until at least the next TGS or E3.

Second, regarding quality games, that's bull. Quality is in the eye of the beholder, and speaking as one of the ex-console gamers Nintendo targeted, let me tell you, you can keep the kind of quality the 360/PS3 put out, because it's all been done before. The Wii appeals to gamers who are tired of games that pretend to be John Woo action movies. The Wii has already demonstrated its ability to deliver new experiences or to revamp and improve old experiences, and that's the important thing. The Wii may lack quantity, but anyone who buys a Wii knows that quantity inevitably comes over time, especially when it's selling 15 million systems per year AND keeping up in software sales, too.

LOL, you seem to forget just how dismal the 360's first year really was. Lemmings were ridiculed back then for using "Just wait" as well. The 360 had NO killer app during its first year until Gears. Sure, it had COD2, GRAW, and Oblivion, but the Wii has had even more desireable games in its first year (Zelda TP alone kicks those games to the curb in terms of desireability), and there's no way you'll convince anyone that games like Kameo, Saints Row, and Dead Rising, which have totally disappeared off anyone's radar, are better qualified to be called "highly anticipated high-quality games" than games like Super Paper Mario, RE4, Z&W, etc., let alone games like SMG, Mass Effect, BioShock, and Halo 3.

For ten months of 2006, it was always "Just wait until Gears of War" for lemmings. FFS, lemmings even considered Prey and Chromehounds to be "games of interest."

So true, man.

Lemmings seem to forget that one crucial point, 360 first year was crap.

First, Elder Scrolls releases in March of 2006, making it a first year title, only a few months after the consoles release

second

I did a little comparison between the Wii's first year, and the 360's

the wii, scoring 9 or above on IGN

Super Mario Galaxy

Legend of Zelda, princess.....

Metriod Prime

Zak and Wiki

Resident Evil 4

FOR THE 360 WITH RATINGS FROM IGN:

Gears of War

Rainbow 6 Vegas

Elder Scolls obvilvion

Ghost Recon advanced war fighter

F.E.A.R.

Viva Pinata

Call of Duty 2

Dead or Alive 4

Splinter Cell double agent

Prey

The 360 had a fine first year, while the Wii has one of the best games ever in SMG, Gears is certainly a top notch game as well, and destined to become a franchise

As a Wii60 owner I like both consoles, but there is no question, the Wii will not continue to sell as much software as the 360

every mother bought some crap game for thier kids and thier Wii, its like the PS3, most people seem to be buying it for the movie playing ability

wait for January's numbers, and things will be back to the same, with the 360 again showing it sells the most software

Oh, by the way, did you notice most games on the Wii list is made by nintendo, the other two by capcom

and they should take Wiiplay off the list, people are buying it because basically its a $10 game with a controller, I bought it

NOOOOOOO. The Wii's software outsold its competition for one month. It must be the best and most sucessful console ever!!!! It is now indisputable fact that Wii software sells better than Xbox 360 software, because it did so one month out of the year. Flawless logic.

Come on, seriously.

LordMontezuma

Your little sarcasm there won't help undermine what the Wii did. That month happened to be the busiest month of the year by far. You successfully left out that fact, though. Furthermore, the Wii managed to sell more software than the 360 in the US, despite having 20% less units in the region. What's that? They sold more software despite being behind the 360 by 20% in terms of consoles sold? Yea, that counts for nothing! Flawless logic you have there.

Lemmings are really avoiding this thread like the plague. Hardly even damage controlling. I guess they are accepting ownage in a very, very silent way. Hexagon_777

Super Mario Galaxy

Wii Sports

Wii Play

Link's Crossbow training

Mario & Sonic at the Special Olympic Games

Mario Party 8

Guitar Hero III.

Only game worth a damn on that list is Super Mario Galaxy which seems to be swimming in a sea of mediocrity. So yeah, sheep you totally changed the perception that good games sell well on the system and it's a great place for third-party developers.

How are the sales for Zack & Wiki coming along?

Quick question, who is Matt Casamassina married to? :D

[QUOTE="LordMontezuma"]

NOOOOOOO. The Wii's software outsold its competition for one month. It must be the best and most sucessful console ever!!!! It is now indisputable fact that Wii software sells better than Xbox 360 software, because it did so one month out of the year. Flawless logic.

Come on, seriously.

Hexagon_777

Your little sarcasm there won't help undermine what the Wii did. That month happened to be the busiest month of the year by far. You successfully left out that fact, though. Furthermore, the Wii managed to sell more software than the 360 in the US, despite having 20% less units in the region. What's that? They sold more software despite being behind the 360 by 20% in terms of consoles sold? Yea, that counts for nothing! Flawless logic you have there.

The wii is the definitioin of a casual system, and when do casuals buy games, oh yeah, during christmas, what you forget is that despite being one of the highest rated games of all timie SMG was outsold, Call of Duty 4, which is rated mature and has a smaller core audience outsold Super Mario Galaxy, which is rated E for everyone, and, at least here, was readily available, was outsold, by a game made for hardcore players

The fact remains we have a bunch, and I mean a bunch of casual gamers buying games that have a collection of lame minigames, I doubt that is the future of gameing, I predict that the 360 will continue to outsell the Wii in sortware, 11 months out of the year, they can have December, and enjoy thier Mario and Sonic at the olympics

From the npd thread, if you do the math it comes down to- 3.389.300 for 360 and 3.301.460 for the Wii (including wii-play...)

I don't know what numbers this Matt fellow is using, but the NPD info we got must be different from the ones we got...

And remember the wii sales include wii play. So even if the wii's software DID outsell the 360's, it's by a slight difference and only for a month. 360's software in total this year still outsold the wii's, and you should wait and see if this lasts for the next month or two before getting so pumped up after this or it might come back and slap you in the face.

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26164567 Npd thread, if you don't believe me.

Super Mario Galaxy

Wii Sports

Wii Play

Link's Crossbow training

Mario & Sonic at the Special Olympic Games

Mario Party 8

Guitar Hero III.

Only game worth a damn on that list is Super Mario Galaxy which seems to be swimming in a sea of mediocrity. So yeah, sheep you totally changed the perception that good games sell well on the system and it's a great place for third-party developers.

How are the sales for Zack & Wiki coming along?

Quick question, who is Matt Casamassina married to? :D

BreakingPoint8

From the npd thread, if you do the math it comes down to- 3.389.300 for 360 and 3.301.460 for the Wii (including wii-play...)

I don't know what numbers this Matt fellow is using, but the NPD info we got must be different from the ones we got...

And remember the wii sales include wii play. So even if the wii's software DID outsell the 360's, it's by a slight difference and only for a month. 360's software in total this year still outsold the wii's, and you should wait and see if this lasts for the next month or two before getting so pumped up after this or it might come back and slap you in the face.

Npd thread, if you don't believe me.

astiop

So the wii has good software sales for one month and you feel this topic needed to be written? Makes sense that all the little kids who own wiis would get one or two games under the tree for christmas dont you think?TerroRizing

It's been having good software sales for a long time now. This is just the first time it's exceeded the 360.

[QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"]

Super Mario Galaxy

Wii Sports

Wii Play

Link's Crossbow training

Mario & Sonic at the Special Olympic Games

Mario Party 8

Guitar Hero III.

Only game worth a damn on that list is Super Mario Galaxy which seems to be swimming in a sea of mediocrity. So yeah, sheep you totally changed the perception that good games sell well on the system and it's a great place for third-party developers.

How are the sales for Zack & Wiki coming along?

Quick question, who is Matt Casamassina married to? :D

gomanthethird

ARE YOU SERIOUS, that is one of the most ignorant statements I have ever read

Halo 3 is the highest selling game of the year, beating Wii PLay, a $10 throw in with a Wii controller, which even I bought

WiiPlay was released on Febuary 12th, Halo 3 September 25th, I think the 360 has proven it is the console that sells games, even ones that cost more than $10

So the wii has good software sales for one month and you feel this topic needed to be written? Makes sense that all the little kids who own wiis would get one or two games under the tree for christmas dont you think? Even after that is taken into consideration, the xbox 360 software still outsold the wii software in North America.TerroRizing

[QUOTE="gomanthethird"][QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"]

Super Mario Galaxy

Wii Sports

Wii Play

Link's Crossbow training

Mario & Sonic at the Special Olympic Games

Mario Party 8

Guitar Hero III.

Only game worth a damn on that list is Super Mario Galaxy which seems to be swimming in a sea of mediocrity. So yeah, sheep you totally changed the perception that good games sell well on the system and it's a great place for third-party developers.

How are the sales for Zack & Wiki coming along?

Quick question, who is Matt Casamassina married to? :D

crispytheone88

ARE YOU SERIOUS, that is one of the most ignorant statements I have ever read

Halo 3 is the highest selling game of the year, beating Wii PLay, a $10 throw in with a Wii controller, which even I bought

WiiPlay was released on Febuary 12th, Halo 3 September 25th, I think the 360 has proven it is the console that sells games, even ones that cost more than $10

It will be even worse for the 360 as the Wii's userbase is growing at a much faster rate.

At least those games for 360 are Great games.raskullibur

So true. I remember right after playing Super Mario Galaxy, I proclaimed, "What a piece of crap!", just as I did after Resident Evil 4, Umbrella Chronicles, Raving Rabbids, Sonic & the Secret Rings, Super Paper Mario, Metroid Prime 3, Zack & Wiki, Link's Crossbow Training, NiGHTS, Trauma Center: Second Opinion, New Blood, Elebits, Excite Truck, Twilight Princess, and Super Monkey Ball. What horrible games those were :roll:.

From the npd thread, if you do the math it comes down to- 3.389.300 for 360 and 3.301.460 for the Wii (including wii-play...)

I don't know what numbers this Matt fellow is using, but the NPD info we got must be different from the ones we got...

And remember the wii sales include wii play. So even if the wii's software DID outsell the 360's, it's by a slight difference and only for a month. 360's software in total this year still outsold the wii's, and you should wait and see if this lasts for the next month or two before getting so pumped up after this or it might come back and slap you in the face.

astiop

I hope you're not just totalling up the sales of the games mentioned in that thread, because there are dozens of games out there beyond just the bestsellers.

[QUOTE="astiop"]From the npd thread, if you do the math it comes down to- 3.389.300 for 360 and 3.301.460 for the Wii (including wii-play...)

I don't know what numbers this Matt fellow is using, but the NPD info we got must be different from the ones we got...

And remember the wii sales include wii play. So even if the wii's software DID outsell the 360's, it's by a slight difference and only for a month. 360's software in total this year still outsold the wii's, and you should wait and see if this lasts for the next month or two before getting so pumped up after this or it might come back and slap you in the face.

mjarantilla

I hope you're not just totalling up the sales of the games mentioned in that thread, because there are dozens of games out there beyond just the bestsellers.

That's what making a cheaper system will get you. More game sales. (cheaper games helps too)

[QUOTE="DireToad"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="DireToad"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

The GCN didn't have the Wii's support.

mjarantilla

Cows/lemmings show their math skills again. Average dev time for a decent game is two years or more. It's barely been one year. 12 months =/= 24 months no matter how much you spin it. The argument is alive until at least the next TGS or E3.

Second, regarding quality games, that's bull. Quality is in the eye of the beholder, and speaking as one of the ex-console gamers Nintendo targeted, let me tell you, you can keep the kind of quality the 360/PS3 put out, because it's all been done before. The Wii appeals to gamers who are tired of games that pretend to be John Woo action movies. The Wii has already demonstrated its ability to deliver new experiences or to revamp and improve old experiences, and that's the important thing. The Wii may lack quantity, but anyone who buys a Wii knows that quantity inevitably comes over time, especially when it's selling 15 million systems per year AND keeping up in software sales, too.

LOL, you seem to forget just how dismal the 360's first year really was. Lemmings were ridiculed back then for using "Just wait" as well. The 360 had NO killer app during its first year until Gears. Sure, it had COD2, GRAW, and Oblivion, but the Wii has had even more desireable games in its first year (Zelda TP alone kicks those games to the curb in terms of desireability), and there's no way you'll convince anyone that games like Kameo, Saints Row, and Dead Rising, which have totally disappeared off anyone's radar, are better qualified to be called "highly anticipated high-quality games" than games like Super Paper Mario, RE4, Z&W, etc., let alone games like SMG, Mass Effect, BioShock, and Halo 3.

For ten months of 2006, it was always "Just wait until Gears of War" for lemmings. FFS, lemmings even considered Prey and Chromehounds to be "games of interest."

Ports of three year old games are more of note than Dead Rising? Even Zelda is actually a gamecube game ported to the wii, they actually released the gamecube version as well. I think you forgot that Dead Rising is the favorite game so far this gen by many people.

Sweet sweet ownage. Bring me my delicious Wii games.Jandurin

Say that out loud, and in public :).

ARE YOU SERIOUS, that is one of the most ignorant statements I have ever read

Halo 3 is the highest selling game of the year, beating Wii PLay, a $10 throw in with a Wii controller, which even I bought

WiiPlay was released on Febuary 12th, Halo 3 September 25th, I think the 360 has proven it is the console that sells games, even ones that cost more than $10

crispytheone88

That's one game.. Mario Galaxy is selling almost as fast as Halo 3 did, which had a massive campaign. I could care less about Wii Play.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]Sweet sweet ownage. Bring me my delicious Wii games.TerroRizing

Say that out loud, and in public :).

Isn't this a public forum :??

MS had Halo 3 to boost software sales this year...

Next year will be even worse :(

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]Sweet sweet ownage. Bring me my delicious Wii games.TerroRizing

Say that out loud, and in public :).

Maybe GH3 for the 360 is finally at Toys 'R Us. That'd be a reason to go to a store.

[QUOTE="astiop"]From the npd thread, if you do the math it comes down to- 3.389.300 for 360 and 3.301.460 for the Wii (including wii-play...)

I don't know what numbers this Matt fellow is using, but the NPD info we got must be different from the ones we got...

And remember the wii sales include wii play. So even if the wii's software DID outsell the 360's, it's by a slight difference and only for a month. 360's software in total this year still outsold the wii's, and you should wait and see if this lasts for the next month or two before getting so pumped up after this or it might come back and slap you in the face.

mjarantilla

I hope you're not just totalling up the sales of the games mentioned in that thread, because there are dozens of games out there beyond just the bestsellers.

I know that, and I know after the top 20's the game sales drop below 60k. and that there is an 88k difference. If you wan't to include an extra controller as "game sales" that is, otherwise the difference is 1.96 mil. So again, if you wan't to claim ownage over this go ahead, but the difference in software sales is quite small and if it doesn't happen again in the next few months then sheep are setting themselves up for ownage.

If it does last, then good for the wii, it will only mean more games coming for it and thats never a bad thing.