According to NPDs, the BEST selling Game of ALL-TIME in the U.S. is...........

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[QUOTE="BlancoBX"]

No one can deny that the Wii has the lowest percentage of quality titles out of the console makers here is a link.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2008/02/wii-average-game-scores-markedly-lower-than-competition.ars

It has the lowest percentage of good games but has the highest sales by a very large margin...what kind of message does that send to the other console makers and game makers? That in this new huge casual market for gamers, you can spend a very small amount on hardware and software and still make huge profits because the casual gamers will eat it up...

BlancoBX

i can also point to the ps2 and ps1... both of which dominated in sales AND had more shovelware than their competitors

it doesnt change the fact that the best selling console will get the most shovelware. this is nothing new... considering that gaming is bigger than ever, how is it not a surprise that smaller companies with weak attempts will try to cash in.

true but what you fail to realize is that the wii is catered more to the casual than any other console ever...so if other companies see the nintendo (cater to casual)formula as a way to make crazy profits (which nintendo is making) and they start to do the same and the sales numbers for each console are comparable wouldnt all those consoles have huge amounts of shovelware as well?

The bottom line is catering to the casual gamer will make these companies richer while in turn diluting the gaming industry in the future. As all these new casual gamers come in, the hardcore gaming community becomes a smaller and smaller minority, and making games for a such a small minority wouldnt be worth it to companies because they wont make as much money as they would if they developed smaller budgeted casual games

since you like to look at sales, how come you dont notice that core games consistently sell in the millions while only a few casual games reach that mark?

so wiiplay and wiifit are hits... big deal. halo, cod, gta ALL broke sales records this gen.... you think companies are gonna ignore that? :roll:

[QUOTE="RadecSupreme"]

I dont blame them. It helps with their fitness.

gcfreak898

IDK taking a kid to the park and making them do fitness sounds better than sitting in front of tv jerking a wii mote around.

Sacrcasm bro

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[QUOTE="sonicare"]

Kind of sad, but I guess real quality games are more ofa niche market. Games like Wii sports or Wii Play, the Sims, etc. just have an appeal to the broader market.

BlancoBX

exactly. the appeal of casual games is that they are quick to learn and easy to get in to, unlike hardcore games that take more time and devotion to learn.

most people dont have time to play a game for 2-6 hours a day. i have been noticing this with myself as well. been so busy that i simply cannot sit down and play for more than 2 hours at a time anymore

even this proves my point...quality games are going to become a smaller and smaller niche market, until it will be totally abandoned by gaming companies if the casual trend keeps going...

heh. do you have any real world examples of such a thing happening?

did you ever think of this: casual gamers that really like gaming will turn into hardcore gamers? there will NEVER be just casuals or just hardcore... there will always be a mix

[QUOTE="BlancoBX"]

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

i can also point to the ps2 and ps1... both of which dominated in sales AND had more shovelware than their competitors

it doesnt change the fact that the best selling console will get the most shovelware. this is nothing new... considering that gaming is bigger than ever, how is it not a surprise that smaller companies with weak attempts will try to cash in.

ogvampire

true but what you fail to realize is that the wii is catered more to the casual than any other console ever...so if other companies see the nintendo (cater to casual)formula as a way to make crazy profits (which nintendo is making) and they start to do the same and the sales numbers for each console are comparable wouldnt all those consoles have huge amounts of shovelware as well?

The bottom line is catering to the casual gamer will make these companies richer while in turn diluting the gaming industry in the future. As all these new casual gamers come in, the hardcore gaming community becomes a smaller and smaller minority, and making games for a such a small minority wouldnt be worth it to companies because they wont make as much money as they would if they developed smaller budgeted casual games

since you like to look at sales, how come you dont notice that core games consistently sell in the millions while only a few casual games reach that mark?

so wiiplay and wiifit are hits... big deal. halo, cod, gta ALL broke sales records this gen.... you think companies are gonna ignore that? :roll:

and how much more did those games take to develop than wii fit and wii play? you cant honestly tell me that the budgets on halo, cod, and gta are all equal to or less than that of wii fit or wii play...xbox and ps3 already went the way they did this gen which was to cater more to the hardcore than nintendo did so of course they are going to put out games that would cater to their customers...but if they change their gameplan and try to get into the casual market, which nintendo has proven to be less costly, with more chance of huge profits, do you think they are still going to be bothered with making big budget games like Halo and COD?

So like I said in my original post, I really hope they dont abandon us non-casual gamers, but with the way nintendo went showing to be much more profitable, whats to stop them from following suit? and once non-casual gamers become a very small % of gamers in general, then the amount of quality hard core games will diminish

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[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

exactly. the appeal of casual games is that they are quick to learn and easy to get in to, unlike hardcore games that take more time and devotion to learn.

most people dont have time to play a game for 2-6 hours a day. i have been noticing this with myself as well. been so busy that i simply cannot sit down and play for more than 2 hours at a time anymore

ogvampire

even this proves my point...quality games are going to become a smaller and smaller niche market, until it will be totally abandoned by gaming companies if the casual trend keeps going...

heh. do you have any real world examples of such a thing happening?

did you ever think of this: casual gamers that really like gaming will turn into hardcore gamers? there will NEVER be just casuals or just hardcore... there will always be a mix

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="BlancoBX"]

true but what you fail to realize is that the wii is catered more to the casual than any other console ever...so if other companies see the nintendo (cater to casual)formula as a way to make crazy profits (which nintendo is making) and they start to do the same and the sales numbers for each console are comparable wouldnt all those consoles have huge amounts of shovelware as well?

The bottom line is catering to the casual gamer will make these companies richer while in turn diluting the gaming industry in the future. As all these new casual gamers come in, the hardcore gaming community becomes a smaller and smaller minority, and making games for a such a small minority wouldnt be worth it to companies because they wont make as much money as they would if they developed smaller budgeted casual games

BlancoBX

since you like to look at sales, how come you dont notice that core games consistently sell in the millions while only a few casual games reach that mark?

so wiiplay and wiifit are hits... big deal. halo, cod, gta ALL broke sales records this gen.... you think companies are gonna ignore that? :roll:

and how much more did those games take to develop than wii fit and wii play? you cant honestly tell me that the budgets on halo, cod, and gta are all equal to or less than that of wii fit or wii play...xbox and ps3 already went the way they did this gen which was to cater more to the hardcore than nintendo did so of course they are going to put out games that would cater to their customers...but if they change their gameplan and try to get into the casual market, which nintendo has proven to be less costly, with more chance of huge profits, do you think they are still going to be bothered with making big budget games like Halo and COD?

So like I said in my original post, I really hope they dont abandon us non-casual gamers, but with the way nintendo went showing to be much more profitable, whats to stop them from following suit? and once non-casual gamers become a very small % of gamers in general, then the amount of quality hard core games will diminish

you simply dont understand nintendos plan. they want to have non-gamers play games, hoping that they would turn into casual gamers and then hardcore gamers. NOBODY starts out as a hardcore gamer. people that think gaming is on the decline cause of casuals are delusional. they are trying to achieve the opposite of that...

also, making casual games DOES NOT mean success. you are citing the exception instead of the rule

the companies are looking at the whole picture, which shows that games targeted at hardcore gamers sell better and more consistently than casual games

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="BlancoBX"]

even this proves my point...quality games are going to become a smaller and smaller niche market, until it will be totally abandoned by gaming companies if the casual trend keeps going...

BlancoBX

heh. do you have any real world examples of such a thing happening?

did you ever think of this: casual gamers that really like gaming will turn into hardcore gamers? there will NEVER be just casuals or just hardcore... there will always be a mix

are you really that impatient? thats just silly

their plan isnt a 3 month plan or something. they are looking gens ahead, not a few years... or months like some people here

those older people you mentioned have kids. if they play games, most likely their kids will play too and hopefully they will like it and it will turn into a life-long hobby.... its not that hard to understand the plan

[QUOTE="BlancoBX"]

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

since you like to look at sales, how come you dont notice that core games consistently sell in the millions while only a few casual games reach that mark?

so wiiplay and wiifit are hits... big deal. halo, cod, gta ALL broke sales records this gen.... you think companies are gonna ignore that? :roll:

ogvampire

and how much more did those games take to develop than wii fit and wii play? you cant honestly tell me that the budgets on halo, cod, and gta are all equal to or less than that of wii fit or wii play...xbox and ps3 already went the way they did this gen which was to cater more to the hardcore than nintendo did so of course they are going to put out games that would cater to their customers...but if they change their gameplan and try to get into the casual market, which nintendo has proven to be less costly, with more chance of huge profits, do you think they are still going to be bothered with making big budget games like Halo and COD?

So like I said in my original post, I really hope they dont abandon us non-casual gamers, but with the way nintendo went showing to be much more profitable, whats to stop them from following suit? and once non-casual gamers become a very small % of gamers in general, then the amount of quality hard core games will diminish

you simply dont understand nintendos plan. they want to have non-gamers play games, hoping that they would turn into casual gamers and then hardcore gamers. NOBODY starts out as a hardcore gamer. people that think gaming is on the decline cause of casuals are delusional. they are trying to achieve the opposite of that...

also, making casual games DOES NOT mean success. you are citing the exception instead of the rule

the companies are looking at the whole picture, which shows that games targeted at hardcore gamers sell better and more consistently than casual games

and you understand nintendos plan? Because im pretty sure the "plan" of every company is to make as much money as possible...nintendo can say whatever they want but do you really believe that? Their plan from the beginning was to make as much money in an untapped market as they possibly could and they are doing a perfect job with it..

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[QUOTE="BlancoBX"]

and how much more did those games take to develop than wii fit and wii play? you cant honestly tell me that the budgets on halo, cod, and gta are all equal to or less than that of wii fit or wii play...xbox and ps3 already went the way they did this gen which was to cater more to the hardcore than nintendo did so of course they are going to put out games that would cater to their customers...but if they change their gameplan and try to get into the casual market, which nintendo has proven to be less costly, with more chance of huge profits, do you think they are still going to be bothered with making big budget games like Halo and COD?

So like I said in my original post, I really hope they dont abandon us non-casual gamers, but with the way nintendo went showing to be much more profitable, whats to stop them from following suit? and once non-casual gamers become a very small % of gamers in general, then the amount of quality hard core games will diminish

BlancoBX

you simply dont understand nintendos plan. they want to have non-gamers play games, hoping that they would turn into casual gamers and then hardcore gamers. NOBODY starts out as a hardcore gamer. people that think gaming is on the decline cause of casuals are delusional. they are trying to achieve the opposite of that...

also, making casual games DOES NOT mean success. you are citing the exception instead of the rule

the companies are looking at the whole picture, which shows that games targeted at hardcore gamers sell better and more consistently than casual games

and you understand nintendos plan? Because im pretty sure the "plan" of every company is to make as much money as possible...nintendo can say whatever they want but do you really believe that? Their plan from the beginning was to make as much money in an untapped market as they possibly could and they are doing a perfect job with it..

yes... their plan is called 'blue ocean'... read up on it

and yes, nintendo is ONLY in the business of videogames... they are doing what they can to make sure this hobby of ours stays nice and healthy, with room for both hardcore and casuals

also, i laugh at you for thinking that the casual market was untapped before the wii

reality check: the PC IS and HAS BEEN the main focus of casual gaming

[QUOTE="BlancoBX"]

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

you simply dont understand nintendos plan. they want to have non-gamers play games, hoping that they would turn into casual gamers and then hardcore gamers. NOBODY starts out as a hardcore gamer. people that think gaming is on the decline cause of casuals are delusional. they are trying to achieve the opposite of that...

also, making casual games DOES NOT mean success. you are citing the exception instead of the rule

the companies are looking at the whole picture, which shows that games targeted at hardcore gamers sell better and more consistently than casual games

ogvampire

and you understand nintendos plan? Because im pretty sure the "plan" of every company is to make as much money as possible...nintendo can say whatever they want but do you really believe that? Their plan from the beginning was to make as much money in an untapped market as they possibly could and they are doing a perfect job with it..

yes... their plan is called 'blue ocean'... read up on it

and yes, nintendo is ONLY in the business of videogames... they are doing what they can to make sure this hobby of ours stays nice and healthy, with room for both hardcore and casuals

also, i laugh at you for thinking that the casual market was untapped before the wii

reality check: the PC IS and HAS BEEN the main focus of casual gaming

when did I ever say anything about the PC? Obviously I meant the casual market was untapped for consoles...what the pc does has almost no bearing on console gaming..My mom plays tons of Bejeweled clones and I dont see her switching over to crysis or Starcraft any time soon

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="BlancoBX"]

and you understand nintendos plan? Because im pretty sure the "plan" of every company is to make as much money as possible...nintendo can say whatever they want but do you really believe that? Their plan from the beginning was to make as much money in an untapped market as they possibly could and they are doing a perfect job with it..

BlancoBX

yes... their plan is called 'blue ocean'... read up on it

and yes, nintendo is ONLY in the business of videogames... they are doing what they can to make sure this hobby of ours stays nice and healthy, with room for both hardcore and casuals

also, i laugh at you for thinking that the casual market was untapped before the wii

reality check: the PC IS and HAS BEEN the main focus of casual gaming

when did I ever say anything about the PC? Obviously I meant the casual market was untapped for consoles

if you think that every one of the people that bought a ps1 and ps2 was a hardcore gamer, then i laugh at you, again...

...what the pc does has almost no bearing on console gaming..

yet, consoles have copied what the pc has been doing for years. are you new to gaming or something cause youre just full of false facts

My mom plays tons of Bejeweled clones and I dont see her switching over to crysis or Starcraft any time soon

i know, their plan isnt gonna turn casuals into hardcore gamers in 2 minutes. its a long term plan and not every casual is gonna change.

It's a controller that comes with a game, for the price of a controller. Any household consisting of more than one person should own it.

InsaneBasura

anyonw who has a HAS a second controler, and that econd controller came from wiiplay, i dont know why they still sell them seperatly, all you gotta do is get another wii play. Wich is now cheaper

[QUOTE="InsaneBasura"]

It's a controller that comes with a game, for the price of a controller. Any household consisting of more than one person should own it.

Phazevariance

except that its not free

[QUOTE="BlancoBX"]

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

yes... their plan is called 'blue ocean'... read up on it

and yes, nintendo is ONLY in the business of videogames... they are doing what they can to make sure this hobby of ours stays nice and healthy, with room for both hardcore and casuals

also, i laugh at you for thinking that the casual market was untapped before the wii

reality check: the PC IS and HAS BEEN the main focus of casual gaming

ogvampire

when did I ever say anything about the PC? Obviously I meant the casual market was untapped for consoles

if you think that every one of the people that bought a ps1 and ps2 was a hardcore gamer, then i laugh at you, again...

...what the pc does has almost no bearing on console gaming..

yet, consoles have copied what the pc has been doing for years. are you new to gaming or something cause youre just full of false facts

My mom plays tons of Bejeweled clones and I dont see her switching over to crysis or Starcraft any time soon

i know, their plan isnt gonna turn casuals into hardcore gamers in 2 minutes. its a long term plan and not every casual is gonna change.

Ok you are right...im done arguing, the wii is good for gaming and nintendos PR is totally telling the 100% truth...they dont plan on exploiting the casual market like they have been and making insane profits

When you consider that it's really a $10 game (once you subtract the cost of the controller), Wii Play is one of the best values in the history of video games.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="BlancoBX"]

when did I ever say anything about the PC? Obviously I meant the casual market was untapped for consoles

if you think that every one of the people that bought a ps1 and ps2 was a hardcore gamer, then i laugh at you, again...

...what the pc does has almost no bearing on console gaming..

yet, consoles have copied what the pc has been doing for years. are you new to gaming or something cause youre just full of false facts

My mom plays tons of Bejeweled clones and I dont see her switching over to crysis or Starcraft any time soon

i know, their plan isnt gonna turn casuals into hardcore gamers in 2 minutes. its a long term plan and not every casual is gonna change.

BlancoBX

Ok you are right...im done arguing, the wii is good for gaming and nintendos PR is totally telling the 100% truth...they dont plan on exploiting the casual market like they have been and making insane profits

lol! its not a PR stunt... nintendo isnt sony or MS

but hey, keep on fighting the good fight. lets keep gaming where it belongs, to the smallest, least rational, and whiniest group, the hardcores.... nice ;)

[QUOTE="BlancoBX"]

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

ogvampire

Ok you are right...im done arguing, the wii is good for gaming and nintendos PR is totally telling the 100% truth...they dont plan on exploiting the casual market like they have been and making insane profits

lol! its not a PR stunt... nintendo isnt sony or MS

but hey, keep on fighting the good fight. lets keep gaming where it belongs, to the smallest, least rational, and whiniest group, the hardcores.... nice ;)

ok so you either: work for nintendo or hold stock in nintendo..how can you sit there and tell me you know that its not a PR stunt? Are nintendo some god sent angel of a company thats so different from every other company in the history of capitalism? You are going to just blindly believe every word they say, and dismiss everything every other company says?

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="BlancoBX"]

Ok you are right...im done arguing, the wii is good for gaming and nintendos PR is totally telling the 100% truth...they dont plan on exploiting the casual market like they have been and making insane profits

BlancoBX

lol! its not a PR stunt... nintendo isnt sony or MS

but hey, keep on fighting the good fight. lets keep gaming where it belongs, to the smallest, least rational, and whiniest group, the hardcores.... nice ;)

ok so you either: work for nintendo or hold stock in nintendo..how can you sit there and tell me you know that its not a PR stunt? Are nintendo some god sent angel of a company thats so different from every other company in the history of capitalism? You are going to just blindly believe every word they say, and dismiss everything every other company says?

ok, so why dont you first prove that it IS a PR stunt... i mean, you are the one making the accusations. its time to back them up...

once again, their plan is really not hard to understand, its already been done before but in a different market:

nintendos plan is to focus making games for people that werent used to having games made for them. the purpose is to draw more people to our hobby. this is pretty much what Apple has been doing for years now. you are probably too young to remember, but the PC was used mainly by geeks and hardcore techs, not everyday people... thats until apple came along and started making them for everybody. in other words, simpler and easily accessible. sound familiar? now we have more people using pc's than ever... nintendo is trying to accomplish the same thing but with videogames.

just look at the facts. you cannot deny that videogames are more popular, making more money, releasing more games, and getting more support than ever

[QUOTE="BlancoBX"]

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

lol! its not a PR stunt... nintendo isnt sony or MS

but hey, keep on fighting the good fight. lets keep gaming where it belongs, to the smallest, least rational, and whiniest group, the hardcores.... nice ;)

ogvampire

ok so you either: work for nintendo or hold stock in nintendo..how can you sit there and tell me you know that its not a PR stunt? Are nintendo some god sent angel of a company thats so different from every other company in the history of capitalism? You are going to just blindly believe every word they say, and dismiss everything every other company says?

ok, so why dont you first prove that it IS a PR stunt... i mean, you are the one making the accusations. its time to back them up...

once again, their plan is really not hard to understand, its already been done before but in a different market:

nintendos plan is to focus making games for people that werent used to having games made for them. the purpose is to draw more people to our hobby. this is pretty much what Apple has been doing for years now. you are probably too young to remember, but the PC was used mainly by geeks and hardcore techs, not everyday people... thats until apple came along and started making them for everybody. in other words, simpler and easily accessible. sound familiar? now we have more people using pc's than ever... nintendo is trying to accomplish the same thing but with videogames.

just look at the facts. you cannot deny that videogames are more popular, making more money, releasing more games, and getting more support than ever

i just dont see why sony or MS just dont bundle one of their PSN/XBL arcade games and bundle it with a controller for $10 more....

i just dont see why sony or MS just dont bundle one of their PSN/XBL arcade games and bundle it with a controller for $10 more....

ogvampire

That is a genius idea. Battlefield 1943 and a controller would definitely do it for me.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

i just dont see why sony or MS just dont bundle one of their PSN/XBL arcade games and bundle it with a controller for $10 more....

AdjacentLives

That is a genius idea. Battlefield 1943 and a controller would definitely do it for me.

It's the controller, everyone figures they pay for the controller and get the game for like $5...

Also, when wii-play came out, it was near impossible to find controllers in stores.

That's actually why I bought wii-play when it first came out...pre-ordered it even, wanted the extra controller :D

[QUOTE="RadecSupreme"]

I dont blame them. It helps with their fitness.

gcfreak898

IDK taking a kid to the park and making them do fitness sounds better than sitting in front of tv jerking a wii mote around.

I am not really all that surprise since the casual fans far outweigh the hardcore ones!

I figured it would be some garbage. I dont even consider that a game or anyone who plays it a gamer.djsifer01