Activision execs try to justify themselves.

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#51 chaplainDMK
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Lawl, what freedom with SCEA?peanutbudduh

Killzone 2 was in development for 4 years :D

Most pubs would rush the game out after 1 or 2 years in development to face the wolves.

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#52 88mphSlayer
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on the matter of people saying bout LBP its well known Sony left them to their own devices after it was pitched to them :P

But im surprised IW staff havent started an exodus tbh after 2015 its like they are some kind of dev studio pheonix xD.

razgriz_101

well i'm sure there's still a lot of money to be made in COD, easy paycheck and all that is hard to walk away from

that said i'm sure the other higher ups might walk away if their new bosses are horrible to work under and are there only to make sure they pump games out quickly

either way tho, this was a horrible way to manage a studio long-term

i mean how many more quality games can they squeeze out of a leaderless studio like that?

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#53 Khoo1992
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[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

I might have cared about what's happening at IW a year ago, but after the way the screwed up PC community with MW2 and a way it was done, I have zero sympathy for them

Blazerdt47

Have you ever thought that maybe Activision had something to do with that decision and not just IW?

Starcraft II lost LAN, that's not a good idea

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#54 foxhound_fox
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I just wish Infinity Ward handled the series better to begin with. After the first game and its expansion, the series went downhill very quickly.

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#55 ktrotter11
Member since 2006 • 1140 Posts

Sony seems to treat their developers alot better than Activision does, although I can't imagine it being very difficult

yoyofroyoyoyo

I'm pretty sure that even EA treats their employees better than Activision.

I agre... Heavy Rain sure won't make it to the market if Activision is the publisher...

lol they woula tried to make it "heavy metal rain" so u can play to a death model soundtrack with a guitar controller

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#56 ktrotter11
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[QUOTE="peanutbudduh"]Lawl, what freedom with SCEA?chaplainDMK

Killzone 2 was in development for 4 years :D

Most pubs would rush the game out after 1 or 2 years in development to face the wolves.

we wont even mention the 4-5 years 4 gt5
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#57 Sandvichman
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I might have cared about what's happening at IW a year ago, but after the way the screwed up PC community with MW2 and a way it was done, I have zero sympathy for them

AdrianWerner
Really, you see no sympathy in these people losing their franchise, and their jobs. Just because you didn't get the game you wanted? That's humble of you. :|
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#58 CaptainHarley
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its amazing how quick everyone flips to another side of the coin, since now it seems everyone is worried about infinity ward being abused when like a few hours ago they were maybe the most hated, casual, glitchy developer out there

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#59 Senor_Kami
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[QUOTE="67gt500"]There are two sides to every story...alextherussian

Everyone is quick to start claiming this and that but in the end we just dont know enough from both sides. Are the royalties these two take in (mind you they are two of many people involved) really worth not having them on the next project, worth the risk of having them talk or any other number of issues. .. Maybe they did get fired over money. But its just as probable that they did something that goes against their contracts resulting in this action. For all we know they could have been doing lines, pounding mickeys and trying to sandwhich the CEO's wife during the christmas party...

This.

I find it interesting that "we haven't been paid royalties yet" leaks out all over the net then they turn around in their suit and mention that they their payment schedule doesn't even start until March 31st. That's a shady move to paint their previous employers in a bad light imo and brings their credibility into question. Sounds like they wanted their paychecks early, Activision sticks to company policy and payment schedules so they try to stir up a huge rumor because of it.

Also, these guys went on record and called an Activision employees a "super douche."You also have the whole Fight Against Grenade Spam thing as well. They aren't exactly model employees, patron saints, or little red riding hood terrorized by a big bad Bobby Kotick that some people are painting them as by default.

Not to say that Activision is little red riding hood being terrorized by big bad IW founders, but I don't think the general reaction from gamers has been a bit lopsided for no real reason other than

... we don't know all the facts in this case, but we don't want to. Activision have been acting like dogs and we just wanna see em get a kick in the nads in any manner.Phacet

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#60 gamer620
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[QUOTE="67gt500"]There are two sides to every story...alextherussian
This. Everyone is quick to start claiming this and that but in the end we just dont know enough from both sides. Are the royalties these two take in (mind you they are two of many people involved) really worth not having them on the next project, worth the risk of having them talk or any other number of issues. .. Maybe they did get fired over money. But its just as probable that they did something that goes against their contracts resulting in this action. For all we know they could have been doing lines, pounding mickeys and trying to sandwhich the CEO's wife during the christmas party...

Don't even try arguing reason on these boards.
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#61 deactivated-61cc564148ef4
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[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

I might have cared about what's happening at IW a year ago, but after the way the screwed up PC community with MW2 and a way it was done, I have zero sympathy for them

Sandvichman

Really, you see no sympathy in these people losing their franchise, and their jobs. Just because you didn't get the game you wanted? That's humble of you. :|

So true. IW 's games are fine and heaps of people are enjoying them and you are just mussing out dude. Im playing COD MW2. While yes there are no dedicated servers instead of complaining Im having fun

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#62 Sandvichman
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[QUOTE="Sandvichman"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

I might have cared about what's happening at IW a year ago, but after the way the screwed up PC community with MW2 and a way it was done, I have zero sympathy for them

OB-47

Really, you see no sympathy in these people losing their franchise, and their jobs. Just because you didn't get the game you wanted? That's humble of you. :|

So true. IW 's games are fine and heaps of people are enjoying them and you are just mussing out dude. Im playing COD MW2. While yes there are no dedicated servers instead of complaining Im having fun

Yeah, i was dissapointed with the game, it's fun, but it didn't really live up to my expectations. ut it's good. But these people just being pricks about this.
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#63 InsaneBasura
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Activision is biting the hand that fed them. Without COD all they have is WoW to keep them afloat.Parasomniac

Well look at it this way. IW was their top cash cow. They wouldn't let them go if they didn't went really overboard.

Revan_911


Activision owns the Call of Duty IP. They don't care who makes the games, as long as someone does. Call of Duty is their cash cow, not the people who created it. They just fired two of the founders of the company and are now about to bury them in lawyers. More IW staff is bound to walk away as a result.

activision funded quake 2 i cant say i hate them.yoyofroyoyoyo


id dumped Activision for a reason I imagine.

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#64 deactivated-61cc564148ef4
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Can I just bring up a quote that the CEO of Activision said a while ago? "A few years ago we decided to take away the fun from making games"

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#65 Nedemis
Member since 2002 • 10715 Posts

IW + GG would be insane. Just think what they could create.

lucky_star
Yeah....GG would actually have a game that ACTUALLY played great to go along with the graphics. IMHO, Killzone2 plays like garbage. The PS3 controller doesn't help the horribly simulated "weighty" feel GG tried to implement.
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#66 InsaneBasura
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I find it interesting that "we haven't been paid royalties yet" leaks out all over the net then they turn around in their suit and mention that they their payment schedule doesn't even start until March 31st. That's a shady move to paint their previous employers in a bad light imo and brings their credibility into question. Sounds like they wanted their paychecks early, Activision sticks to company policy and payment schedules so they try to stir up a huge rumor because of it.Senor_Kami

Wait what? "Anonymous sources close to the situation" reported that Activision hadn't paid any royalties yet. Zampella and West claim the same thing in their suit. What is the problem exactly? The point Z&W is trying to make is that Activision fired them to evade paying them anything. And you're trying to spin that into them being shady and greedy. Just weird.

Also, these guys went on record and called an Activision employees a "super douche."YSenor_Kami

This was Robert Bowling. An entirely different person. Though it is likely higher-ups at Infinity Ward protected the guy from the wrath of Activision. How Robert Bowling has managed to continue to elude getting fired I don't know, because as I understand it he was the one primarily reponsible for IW PR. I guess MW2 sold well enough despite his efforts.

You also have the whole Fight Against Grenade Spam thing as well.Senor_Kami

This was probably also Robert Bowling. While it is possible those two ok'd this, you seem to be quite certain.

They aren't exactly model employees, patron saints, or little red riding hood terrorized by a big bad Bobby Kotick that some people are painting them as by default.

Not to say that Activision is little red riding hood being terrorized by big bad IW founders, but I don't think the general reaction from gamers has been a bit lopsided for no real reason other thanSenor_Kami

You seem just as eager to jump to conclusions.

What West and Zampella did do is publically vent their frustrations with Activision.

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#67 CannedWorms
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IW + GG would be insane. Just think what they could create.

lucky_star
Do you really think IW employees are going to move to the Netherlands?
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#68 Megaman5364
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Lawl, what freedom with SCEA?peanutbudduh
They at least pay for dedicated servers fool !!
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#69 dragonfly110
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imo the best thing that could happen to these guys right now is they either a start up there own development team and create a franchise about modern day call of duties (as they retain the rights to that if I am correct which I thought I read on giantbomb that they were)

or b. they should simply make an offer to either microsoft SCEA or EA and help develop halo, killzone or battlefield as that seems to be the genreof shootersthat they work the best with.

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#70 Phaze-Two
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[QUOTE="peaceoutmedusa"]

[QUOTE="Jynxzor"]

TUNE IN NEXT TIME, FOR THE UNRAVEL OF THE....

peaceoutmedusa

Now that I think of it...I do kind of sound like a soaps announcer. Next time on the life and times of Activision.Jynxzor

lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lmao.