(After 2.40 FW) Is XBL $50 a year Better than PSN?

[QUOTE="odin2019"][QUOTE="2beers_in_hand"][QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

XBL Silver is still better than PSN with the 2.4 update.

Playing online should be free.

dhjohns

In other words XBL has become one of the bigger ripoffs of the gaming industry.

No it isn't and no PSN does not equal XBL. At least use the network before you spout off and bash it.

[QUOTE="CubanBlunt"]Call me crazy, but I'll take free over $50 any day!!-Renegade

Agreed 100%. PSN > Xbox Live

thats such a 1-dimensional way to look at something its almost painful.

[QUOTE="-Renegade"]

[QUOTE="CubanBlunt"]Call me crazy, but I'll take free over $50 any day!!marklarmer

Agreed 100%. PSN > Xbox Live

thats such a 1-dimensional way to look at something its almost painful.

It must be hard for you to comprehend that others have opinions.

Remember, there are no facts that say XBL > PSN.

Only facts of popularity.

[QUOTE="GUNpoint_"][QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

XBL Silver is still better than PSN with the 2.4 update.

Playing online should be free.

VoodooHak

But you don't need Gold to access most, if not all, the features that the PS3 just got with the firmware update. If anything, it's only now catching up with the free 360 UI.

Simple answer. Xbox live should have been free ages ago. carlisledavid79

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="GUNpoint_"][QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

XBL Silver is still better than PSN with the 2.4 update.

Playing online should be free.

GUNpoint_

But you don't need Gold to access most, if not all, the features that the PS3 just got with the firmware update. If anything, it's only now catching up with the free 360 UI.

I still can't believe that someone says xbox silver with no online gameing ability is better the psn, man some people take sw way to seriously

[QUOTE="marklarmer"][QUOTE="-Renegade"]

[QUOTE="CubanBlunt"]Call me crazy, but I'll take free over $50 any day!!DrCortex

Agreed 100%. PSN > Xbox Live

thats such a 1-dimensional way to look at something its almost painful.

It must be hard for you to comprehend that others have opinions.

Remember, there are no facts that say XBL > PSN.

Only facts of popularity.

Well i guess it is kind of hard for me to comprehend how people can have such shallow opinions.

Simple answer. Xbox live should have been free ages ago. carlisledavid79

and my new sig rocks your socks.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]You get what you pay for.BobHipJames

Game online on a PC sometime.

Oh, wait, you own a PC. And you're playing TF2. Blindfolded, maybe? Are you seriously that much of a fanboy, that you censor information that disputes your position? Sorry, mate, Steam>>>>>>>Xbox Live and I don't pay a dime for it.

This thread has nothing to do with PC.:|

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="GUNpoint_"][QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

XBL Silver is still better than PSN with the 2.4 update.

Playing online should be free.

2beers_in_hand

But you don't need Gold to access most, if not all, the features that the PS3 just got with the firmware update. If anything, it's only now catching up with the free 360 UI.

But the firmware update has very little to do with online gameplay.

[QUOTE="DrCortex"][QUOTE="marklarmer"][QUOTE="-Renegade"]

[QUOTE="CubanBlunt"]Call me crazy, but I'll take free over $50 any day!!marklarmer

Agreed 100%. PSN > Xbox Live

thats such a 1-dimensional way to look at something its almost painful.

It must be hard for you to comprehend that others have opinions.

Remember, there are no facts that say XBL > PSN.

Only facts of popularity.

Well i guess it is kind of hard for me to comprehend how people can have such shallow opinions.

If their opinion doesn't equal yours, it's shallow?

[QUOTE="2beers_in_hand"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="GUNpoint_"][QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

XBL Silver is still better than PSN with the 2.4 update.

Playing online should be free.

VoodooHak

But you don't need Gold to access most, if not all, the features that the PS3 just got with the firmware update. If anything, it's only now catching up with the free 360 UI.

But the firmware update has very little to do with online gameplay.

If their opinion doesn't equal yours, it's shallow?

PS3 has everything XBL has except for cross game invites. And it's free. That's a fact. Live with it, deal with it.DrCortex

you have no idea what my opinion is; yet you're making one up and then judging it aswell. Well at least you're being creative.

[QUOTE="DrCortex"]

If their opinion doesn't equal yours, it's shallow?

PS3 has everything XBL has except for cross game invites. And it's free. That's a fact. Live with it, deal with it.marklarmer

you have no idea what my opinion is; yet you're making one up and then judging it aswell. Well at least you're being creative.

You can't have it both ways. If you agree with them, who cares how they came to their conclusion? It doesn't matter if it's "shallow" or "well thought out".

If you don't, I'm right.

What do you get if you pay for Xbox Live?

• Adds
• P2P servers (Limited dedicated servers)

• Demos one week earlier

It isnt $50 better than PSN today.OsgoodSchlatter

[QUOTE="OsgoodSchlatter"]It isnt $50 better than PSN today.Dreams-Visions

lovin' the gif BTW :lol:

[QUOTE="OsgoodSchlatter"]It isnt $50 better than PSN today.Dreams-Visions

HAHAHAAHAHA SIG

XBL Silver which is free still has more features than PSN with the 2.4 update.

Now since you brought up the $50 for 13 months in the agrument, than you're talking about XBL Gold which still has more features than PSN with the 2.4 update. And these features includes real exclusive videos, exclusive demos, exclusive content, etc.

Now since Sony introduced Qore, $25 a year, just to play exclusive demos, exclusive videos, exclusive content, etc. it kinda debunks the agrument that the 2.4 update will automatically make PSN better than XBL Gold.

Sony gives you more options that was available since 2005, but at the same time, they took away content from the PSN, and the only way you can get these content is by subscribing to Qore, $25 a year.

Not every game will support these 2.4 update features, not every game will have online, not every game will use your PSN ID. When it comes down to it, it's still up to the individual devs if they want to include these features or not with the game. And I'm not the one who's gonna keep my fingers cross hoping that these games will support these features.

While you know 100% guaranteed, every game that's on the 360, will have all these features standard, out the box, without a doubt, no need in hoping and wishing.

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="GUNpoint_"][QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

XBL Silver is still better than PSN with the 2.4 update.

Playing online should be free.

GUNpoint_

But you don't need Gold to access most, if not all, the features that the PS3 just got with the firmware update. If anything, it's only now catching up with the free 360 UI.

Trophies will not be universal. There's a whole year of games that don't have them, and since patching them is totally optional, not all of them will be patched. For those that are lucky enough to get patched, the trophies aren't retroactive. If you've already played them, you'll have to play them all over again. They've announced a handful of games that will have them. I doubt we'll see them beeing universally applied until the holidays. You can compare your trophies with friends while on the console. What about on the web? Can you share them with anyone outside of the console? Will Sony allow access to the data so community developers can create neat APIs to display them? You can't even see them on the Playstation site.

No voice chat through the in-game XMB

You can access the music from your HDD only if the game is specifically designed to allow it.

Where's the functional cross game invites? Where's the universal matchmaking? Where are the community programs like Community developer program that allows the community to make things like the dynamically updating gamercards you see in many sigs? How about the Community Calendar of events? And I"m not even going to start in on all the content the XBL marketplace offers.

No, XBL certainly hasn't lost its edge.

It just amazes me that people are associating the firmware update with online gameplay. It's not about online gameplay at all. It's about basic functionality that Sony missed out on... that MS had from day 1.

Is it bad? Of course not? It's a great step in the right direction. But to say that PSN is now superior to XBL because of it is not only premature, but unrelated to what the firmware's all about to begin with.

[QUOTE="OsgoodSchlatter"]It isnt $50 better than PSN today.Dreams-Visions

your sig is really funny lol

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="OsgoodSchlatter"]It isnt $50 better than PSN today.Heydanbud92

your sig is really funny lol

[QUOTE="OsgoodSchlatter"]It isnt $50 better than PSN today.Dreams-Visions

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="2beers_in_hand"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

But you don't need Gold to access most, if not all, the features that the PS3 just got with the firmware update. If anything, it's only now catching up with the free 360 UI.

GUNpoint_

But the firmware update has very little to do with online gameplay.

What feature directly benefits online gameplay? Trophies? Messaging from the in-game XMB? What exactly? Custom soundtracks?

XBL Silver which is free still has more features than PSN with the 2.4 update.

Now since you brought up the $50 for 13 months in the agrument, than you're talking about XBL Gold which still has more features than PSN with the 2.4 update. And these features includes real exclusive videos, exclusive demos, exclusive content, etc.

Now since Sony introduced Qore, $25 a year, just to play exclusive demos, exclusive videos, exclusive content, etc. it kinda debunks the agrument that the 2.4 update will automatically make PSN better than XBL Gold.

Sony gives you more options that was available since 2005, but at the same time, they took away content from the PSN, and the only way you can get these content is by subscribing to Qore, $25 a year.

Not every game will support these 2.4 update features, not every game will have online, not every game will use your PSN ID. When it comes down to it, it's still up to the individual devs if they want to include these features or not with the game. And I'm not the one who's gonna keep my fingers cross hoping that these games will support these features.

While you know 100% guaranteed, every game that's on the 360, will have all these features standard, out the box, without a doubt, no need in hoping and wishing.

ReverseCycology

Absolutely golden.

Theres a good post, lemming or not.

Odd i didn't know the entire 2.4 update was about psn? so you mean if i dont have psn i cannot have the 2.4 update?
the only thing in the 2.4 update that has a impact on psn is trophies and thats it.

Odd i didn't know the entire 2.4 update was about psn? so you mean if i dont have psn i cannot have the 2.4 update?
the only thing in the 2.4 update that has a impact on psn is trophies and thats it.

WilliamRLBaker

I think you're mixing up XMB and PSN.

Odd i didn't know the entire 2.4 update was about psn? so you mean if i dont have psn i cannot have the 2.4 update?
the only thing in the 2.4 update that has a impact on psn is trophies and thats it.

WilliamRLBaker

and why wouldn't someone have a PSN account anyway? they're free.

[QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

XBL Silver which is free still has more features than PSN with the 2.4 update.

Now since you brought up the $50 for 13 months in the agrument, than you're talking about XBL Gold which still has more features than PSN with the 2.4 update. And these features includes real exclusive videos, exclusive demos, exclusive content, etc.

Now since Sony introduced Qore, $25 a year, just to play exclusive demos, exclusive videos, exclusive content, etc. it kinda debunks the agrument that the 2.4 update will automatically make PSN better than XBL Gold.

Sony gives you more options that was available since 2005, but at the same time, they took away content from the PSN, and the only way you can get these content is by subscribing to Qore, $25 a year.

Not every game will support these 2.4 update features, not every game will have online, not every game will use your PSN ID. When it comes down to it, it's still up to the individual devs if they want to include these features or not with the game. And I'm not the one who's gonna keep my fingers cross hoping that these games will support these features.

While you know 100% guaranteed, every game that's on the 360, will have all these features standard, out the box, without a doubt, no need in hoping and wishing.

DrCortex

Absolutely golden.

Theres a good post, lemming or not.

XBL Silver which is free still has more features than PSN with the 2.4 update.

Now since you brought up the $50 for 13 months in the agrument, than you're talking about XBL Gold which still has more features than PSN with the 2.4 update. And these features includes real exclusive videos, exclusive demos, exclusive content, etc.

Now since Sony introduced Qore, $25 a year, just to play exclusive demos, exclusive videos, exclusive content, etc. it kinda debunks the agrument that the 2.4 update will automatically make PSN better than XBL Gold.

Sony gives you more options that was available since 2005, but at the same time, they took away content from the PSN, and the only way you can get these content is by subscribing to Qore, $25 a year.

Not every game will support these 2.4 update features, not every game will have online, not every game will use your PSN ID. When it comes down to it, it's still up to the individual devs if they want to include these features or not with the game. And I'm not the one who's gonna keep my fingers cross hoping that these games will support these features.

While you know 100% guaranteed, every game that's on the 360, will have all these features standard, out the box, without a doubt, no need in hoping and wishing.

ReverseCycology

That might be the most ridiculous thing I've ever read

Simple answer. Xbox live should have been free ages ago. carlisledavid79

I agree.

All the things apart from trophies and levels, there is no Xbox equivalent, are avaliable on Xbox Live Silver for free.

You only pay to play.

The 2.40 update is of no relevance.

[QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

XBL Silver which is free still has more features than PSN with the 2.4 update.

Now since you brought up the $50 for 13 months in the agrument, than you're talking about XBL Gold which still has more features than PSN with the 2.4 update. And these features includes real exclusive videos, exclusive demos, exclusive content, etc.

Now since Sony introduced Qore, $25 a year, just to play exclusive demos, exclusive videos, exclusive content, etc. it kinda debunks the agrument that the 2.4 update will automatically make PSN better than XBL Gold.

Sony gives you more options that was available since 2005, but at the same time, they took away content from the PSN, and the only way you can get these content is by subscribing to Qore, $25 a year.

Not every game will support these 2.4 update features, not every game will have online, not every game will use your PSN ID. When it comes down to it, it's still up to the individual devs if they want to include these features or not with the game. And I'm not the one who's gonna keep my fingers cross hoping that these games will support these features.

While you know 100% guaranteed, every game that's on the 360, will have all these features standard, out the box, without a doubt, no need in hoping and wishing.

MikeE21286

That might be the most ridiculous thing I've ever read

[QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

XBL Silver which is free still has more features than PSN with the 2.4 update.

Now since you brought up the $50 for 13 months in the agrument, than you're talking about XBL Gold which still has more features than PSN with the 2.4 update. And these features includes real exclusive videos, exclusive demos, exclusive content, etc.

Now since Sony introduced Qore, $25 a year, just to play exclusive demos, exclusive videos, exclusive content, etc. it kinda debunks the agrument that the 2.4 update will automatically make PSN better than XBL Gold.

Sony gives you more options that was available since 2005, but at the same time, they took away content from the PSN, and the only way you can get these content is by subscribing to Qore, $25 a year.

Not every game will support these 2.4 update features, not every game will have online, not every game will use your PSN ID. When it comes down to it, it's still up to the individual devs if they want to include these features or not with the game. And I'm not the one who's gonna keep my fingers cross hoping that these games will support these features.

While you know 100% guaranteed, every game that's on the 360, will have all these features standard, out the box, without a doubt, no need in hoping and wishing.

MikeE21286

That might be the most ridiculous thing I've ever read

[QUOTE="carlisledavid79"]Simple answer. Xbox live should have been free ages ago. bungie93

Agreed.

agreed. and this should be common sense in SW. can't see why would anyone defend having to pay for something that has always been free.

[QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

XBL Silver which is free still has more features than PSN with the 2.4 update.

Now since you brought up the $50 for 13 months in the agrument, than you're talking about XBL Gold which still has more features than PSN with the 2.4 update. And these features includes real exclusive videos, exclusive demos, exclusive content, etc.

Now since Sony introduced Qore, $25 a year, just to play exclusive demos, exclusive videos, exclusive content, etc. it kinda debunks the agrument that the 2.4 update will automatically make PSN better than XBL Gold.

Sony gives you more options that was available since 2005, but at the same time, they took away content from the PSN, and the only way you can get these content is by subscribing to Qore, $25 a year.

Not every game will support these 2.4 update features, not every game will have online, not every game will use your PSN ID. When it comes down to it, it's still up to the individual devs if they want to include these features or not with the game. And I'm not the one who's gonna keep my fingers cross hoping that these games will support these features.

While you know 100% guaranteed, every game that's on the 360, will have all these features standard, out the box, without a doubt, no need in hoping and wishing.

MikeE21286

That might be the most ridiculous thing I've ever read

You said it yourself, "Simple question.....not a simple answer probably."

I've noticed ever since this 2.4 update news, people tend to pick and choose what features they want to highlight in these PSN vs XBL threads.

I mean if you want to make a fair comparison, you have to compare everything, from what features are included to what content are available.

But what it comes down to is that XBL still have more features and provide more content than PSN.

[QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

XBL Silver which is free still has more features than PSN with the 2.4 update.

Now since you brought up the $50 for 13 months in the agrument, than you're talking about XBL Gold which still has more features than PSN with the 2.4 update. And these features includes real exclusive videos, exclusive demos, exclusive content, etc.

Now since Sony introduced Qore, $25 a year, just to play exclusive demos, exclusive videos, exclusive content, etc. it kinda debunks the agrument that the 2.4 update will automatically make PSN better than XBL Gold.

Sony gives you more options that was available since 2005, but at the same time, they took away content from the PSN, and the only way you can get these content is by subscribing to Qore, $25 a year.

Not every game will support these 2.4 update features, not every game will have online, not every game will use your PSN ID. When it comes down to it, it's still up to the individual devs if they want to include these features or not with the game. And I'm not the one who's gonna keep my fingers cross hoping that these games will support these features.

While you know 100% guaranteed, every game that's on the 360, will have all these features standard, out the box, without a doubt, no need in hoping and wishing.

MikeE21286

That might be the most ridiculous thing I've ever read

Ridiculous is true.

[QUOTE="DrCortex"][QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

XBL Silver which is free still has more features than PSN with the 2.4 update.

Now since you brought up the $50 for 13 months in the agrument, than you're talking about XBL Gold which still has more features than PSN with the 2.4 update. And these features includes real exclusive videos, exclusive demos, exclusive content, etc.

Now since Sony introduced Qore, $25 a year, just to play exclusive demos, exclusive videos, exclusive content, etc. it kinda debunks the agrument that the 2.4 update will automatically make PSN better than XBL Gold.

Sony gives you more options that was available since 2005, but at the same time, they took away content from the PSN, and the only way you can get these content is by subscribing to Qore, $25 a year.

Not every game will support these 2.4 update features, not every game will have online, not every game will use your PSN ID. When it comes down to it, it's still up to the individual devs if they want to include these features or not with the game. And I'm not the one who's gonna keep my fingers cross hoping that these games will support these features.

While you know 100% guaranteed, every game that's on the 360, will have all these features standard, out the box, without a doubt, no need in hoping and wishing.

Dreams-Visions

Absolutely golden.

Theres a good post, lemming or not.

Dreams agreeing with that post...? i used to think you were a more reasonable person...

that argument is wrong right in it's base concept, that Live Silver is already better than PSN. It can't and will never be until it offers online gameplay for free, which is the most important feature of an online service for consoles. A lot more important than extra and download-able content.

[QUOTE="bungie93"]

[QUOTE="carlisledavid79"]Simple answer. Xbox live should have been free ages ago. SambaLele

Agreed.

agreed. and this should be common sense in SW. can't see why would anyone defend having to pay for something that has always been free.

Of course everyone would like things to be free, but sometimes the cost justifies the product. Xbox Live hasn't "always been free", it never has. There are products that offer similar features for free, but the comprehensive package that Xbox Live Gold has never been done by a single product before.

[QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

XBL Silver which is free still has more features than PSN with the 2.4 update.

Now since you brought up the $50 for 13 months in the agrument, than you're talking about XBL Gold which still has more features than PSN with the 2.4 update. And these features includes real exclusive videos, exclusive demos, exclusive content, etc.

Now since Sony introduced Qore, $25 a year, just to play exclusive demos, exclusive videos, exclusive content, etc. it kinda debunks the agrument that the 2.4 update will automatically make PSN better than XBL Gold.

Sony gives you more options that was available since 2005, but at the same time, they took away content from the PSN, and the only way you can get these content is by subscribing to Qore, $25 a year.

Not every game will support these 2.4 update features, not every game will have online, not every game will use your PSN ID. When it comes down to it, it's still up to the individual devs if they want to include these features or not with the game. And I'm not the one who's gonna keep my fingers cross hoping that these games will support these features.

While you know 100% guaranteed, every game that's on the 360, will have all these features standard, out the box, without a doubt, no need in hoping and wishing.

p4ddym

That might be the most ridiculous thing I've ever read

Ridiculous is true.

Sometimes the truth is ridiculous, matter of fact, it's redonkalous!

Anyway, by the looks of it, none of you have anything to counter the agrument, so you have nothing else to say but that.

Oh well. I can't expect everyone to have good counters.

Sometimes the truth is ridiculous, matter of fact, it's redonkalous!

Anyway, by the looks of it, none of you have anything to counter the agrument, so you have nothing else to say but that.

Oh well. I can't expect everyone to have good counters.

ReverseCycology

Their point is your first statement is ridiculous: " XBL Silver which is free still has more features than PSN with the 2.4 update"

Thinking that a online service that doesn't include the ability to play games online is somehow better than one that does for the same price (free), is definitely ridiculous.

It may have more add-on features, but it's missing the one key feature that all online-gaming services have: the ability tok play online.

[QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

Sometimes the truth is ridiculous, matter of fact, it's redonkalous!

Anyway, by the looks of it, none of you have anything to counter the agrument, so you have nothing else to say but that.

Oh well. I can't expect everyone to have good counters.

Fignewton50

Their point is your first statement is ridiculous: " XBL Silver which is free still has more features than PSN with the 2.4 update"

Thinking that a online service that doesn't include the ability to play games online is somehow better than one that does for the same price (free), is definitely ridiculous.

But the topic is about the 2.4 update, so what's so ridiculous about talking about and comparing features for these services?

People tend to pick and choose what they want to highlight in these PSN vs XBL threads.

The TC mentioned the $50 a year fee, while not even mentioning Qore, $25 that gives you content that's not found in PSN.

[QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

XBL Silver which is free still has more features than PSN with the 2.4 update.

Now since you brought up the $50 for 13 months in the agrument, than you're talking about XBL Gold which still has more features than PSN with the 2.4 update. And these features includes real exclusive videos, exclusive demos, exclusive content, etc.

Now since Sony introduced Qore, $25 a year, just to play exclusive demos, exclusive videos, exclusive content, etc. it kinda debunks the agrument that the 2.4 update will automatically make PSN better than XBL Gold.

Sony gives you more options that was available since 2005, but at the same time, they took away content from the PSN, and the only way you can get these content is by subscribing to Qore, $25 a year.

Not every game will support these 2.4 update features, not every game will have online, not every game will use your PSN ID. When it comes down to it, it's still up to the individual devs if they want to include these features or not with the game. And I'm not the one who's gonna keep my fingers cross hoping that these games will support these features.

While you know 100% guaranteed, every game that's on the 360, will have all these features standard, out the box, without a doubt, no need in hoping and wishing.

ReverseCycology

That might be the most ridiculous thing I've ever read

You said it yourself, "Simple question.....not a simple answer probably."

I've noticed ever since this 2.4 update news, people tend to pick and choose what features they want to highlight in these PSN vs XBL threads.

I mean if you want to make a fair comparison, you have to compare everything, from what features are included to what content are available.

But what it comes down to is that XBL still have more features and provide more content than PSN.

The most important feature to have in an online service for consoles still is the online multiplayer. You can bet that if the XBL Silver offered online multiplayer, the vast majority of users would go with that plan, since there's the demos, some of the content and there would be the online gameplay. Then, there would be no arguing which service would be better, XBL Silver would really be the way to go.

Yet, MS chose to keep the online multiplayer (must i add, with no dedicated servers, only the low cost P2P play) one of the reasons to bring players to give them the $50 a year fee. Content is good, but it will only draw your attention for 15% of the time you have with a game, while the rest is with single-player and multiplayer (the vast majority of the time spent being in this last one).

The most important feature to have in an online service for consoles still is the online multiplayer. You can bet that if the XBL Silver offered online multiplayer, the vast majority of users would go with that plan, since there's the demos, some of the content and there would be the online gameplay. Then, there would be no arguing which service would be better, XBL Silver would really be the way to go.

Yet, MS chose to keep the online multiplayer (must i add, with no dedicated servers, only the low cost P2P play) one of the reasons to bring players to give them the $50 a year fee. Content is good, but it will only draw your attention for 15% of the time you have with a game, while the rest is with single-player and multiplayer (the vast majority of the time spent being in this last one).

SambaLele

So people still believe that all PS3 games have dedicated servers, and all 360 games are only P2P? Because if the answer is yes, then it's not even worth having a nice debate.

The TC made no mentions about online, so I didn't talk about online, he just went straight to the $50 bucks a year agrument but failed to even mention about Qore, a $25 annual fee. I mean with XBL Gold you have all these features and content available. While PSN still lack features and content, and these exclusive content will only be found in Qore.

Would you rather pay for exclusive content but free online, or free exclusive content but pay to play online? Double edged sword.

Also part of my agrument was that these PS3 games might not even have these features, while it's guaranteed that every 360 game will have these features.