After seeing the latest Forza2 pics, I can safely say Forza 2 doesn't stand ....

...a flying chance against GTHD...

GTHD looks so freaking realistic.
kornbone

In GTHD or GT5, does the shape of your car determine the handling, can anyone join into a worldchampionship, can you buy user created cars, are cars destructible etc.? No, so forza wins just like it did against GT4.

In GTHD or GT5, does the shape of your car determine the handling, can anyone join into a worldchampionship, can you buy user created cars, are cars destructible etc.? No, so forza wins just like it did against GT4.

11Marcel

[QUOTE="kornbone"][QUOTE="HaloONE"][QUOTE="shaggymcp"]And GTHD looks way better in motion.
LegendofYaslint

While I like the GT series as much as the next guy, saying the Forza physics are laughable made you look like a complete fanboy tool.

GT is great, but Forza owns the hell out of GT when it comes to the actual racing aspect.

GTHD might look better, but so far Forza's devs seem to "get" realistic racing much more than the GT devs.

Just about any non-fanboy racing fan should agree.

I am no fanboy, and I race in real life, but I disagree with you that Forza has better driving physics than GT4.

GTHD is a demo and should never be compared to any full game. If Forza 2 didn't play better than GTHD, it would be incredibly sad. Of course its going to play better. We'll see what GT5 has in store. I believe GT5 will play better than Forza 2, just like GT4 plays better than Forza. I could be wrong though as it looks like they fixed the glaring issues Forza 1 had.

I don't get the whole damage thing. If its not totally realistic damage, then I could care less. You are not supposed to be crashing anyway. They are racing games, not demolision derby. If Forza wanted to tout damage, then it should be like  F1 for PS3 where if you crash once, your game is over. That is realistic. The damage in Forza is more so people can go " oh look, my bumper fell off, and its still there when I pass by again", or "thats so cool that my mirror is gone and my alignment is off". If you crash head on into a wall in Forza, you can still continue to race with only an alignment problem. You call that realistic? I'm sorry to say that GT5 will probably include this level of useless damage.

Either way Games like Ferrari 355 Challenge own both GT and Forza for realistic driving. Even that game is not like the real thing though, no game is or ever will be.

[QUOTE="LegendofYaslint"]

[QUOTE="kornbone"][QUOTE="HaloONE"][QUOTE="shaggymcp"]And GTHD looks way better in motion.
mazdero

While I like the GT series as much as the next guy, saying the Forza physics are laughable made you look like a complete fanboy tool.

GT is great, but Forza owns the hell out of GT when it comes to the actual racing aspect.

GTHD might look better, but so far Forza's devs seem to "get" realistic racing much more than the GT devs.

Just about any non-fanboy racing fan should agree.

I am no fanboy, and I race in real life, but I disagree with you that Forza has better driving physics than GT4.

GTHD is a demo and should never be compared to any full game. If Forza 2 didn't play better than GTHD, it would be incredibly sad. Of course its going to play better. We'll see what GT5 has in store. I believe GT5 will play better than Forza 2, just like GT4 plays better than Forza. I could be wrong though as it looks like they fixed the glaring issues Forza 1 had.

I don't get the whole damage thing. If its not totally realistic damage, then I could care less. You are not supposed to be crashing anyway. They are racing games, not demolision derby. If Forza wanted to tout damage, then it should be like  F1 for PS3 where if you crash once, your game is over. That is realistic. The damage in Forza is more so people can go " oh look, my bumper fell off, and its still there when I pass by again", or "thats so cool that my mirror is gone and my alignment is off". If you crash head on into a wall in Forza, you can still continue to race with only an alignment problem. You call that realistic? I'm sorry to say that GT5 will probably include this level of useless damage.

Either way Games like Ferrari 355 Challenge own both GT and Forza for realistic driving. Even that game is not like the real thing though, no game is or ever will be.

[QUOTE="mazdero"][QUOTE="LegendofYaslint"]

[QUOTE="kornbone"][QUOTE="HaloONE"][QUOTE="shaggymcp"]And GTHD looks way better in motion.
whoisryanmack

While I like the GT series as much as the next guy, saying the Forza physics are laughable made you look like a complete fanboy tool.

GT is great, but Forza owns the hell out of GT when it comes to the actual racing aspect.

GTHD might look better, but so far Forza's devs seem to "get" realistic racing much more than the GT devs.

Just about any non-fanboy racing fan should agree.

I am no fanboy, and I race in real life, but I disagree with you that Forza has better driving physics than GT4.

GTHD is a demo and should never be compared to any full game. If Forza 2 didn't play better than GTHD, it would be incredibly sad. Of course its going to play better. We'll see what GT5 has in store. I believe GT5 will play better than Forza 2, just like GT4 plays better than Forza. I could be wrong though as it looks like they fixed the glaring issues Forza 1 had.

I don't get the whole damage thing. If its not totally realistic damage, then I could care less. You are not supposed to be crashing anyway. They are racing games, not demolision derby. If Forza wanted to tout damage, then it should be like F1 for PS3 where if you crash once, your game is over. That is realistic. The damage in Forza is more so people can go " oh look, my bumper fell off, and its still there when I pass by again", or "thats so cool that my mirror is gone and my alignment is off". If you crash head on into a wall in Forza, you can still continue to race with only an alignment problem. You call that realistic? I'm sorry to say that GT5 will probably include this level of useless damage.

Either way Games like Ferrari 355 Challenge own both GT and Forza for realistic driving. Even that game is not like the real thing though, no game is or ever will be.

[QUOTE="whoisryanmack"][QUOTE="mazdero"][QUOTE="LegendofYaslint"]

[QUOTE="kornbone"][QUOTE="HaloONE"][QUOTE="shaggymcp"]And GTHD looks way better in motion.
Natural_Mystic

While I like the GT series as much as the next guy, saying the Forza physics are laughable made you look like a complete fanboy tool.

GT is great, but Forza owns the hell out of GT when it comes to the actual racing aspect.

GTHD might look better, but so far Forza's devs seem to "get" realistic racing much more than the GT devs.

Just about any non-fanboy racing fan should agree.

I am no fanboy, and I race in real life, but I disagree with you that Forza has better driving physics than GT4.

GTHD is a demo and should never be compared to any full game. If Forza 2 didn't play better than GTHD, it would be incredibly sad. Of course its going to play better. We'll see what GT5 has in store. I believe GT5 will play better than Forza 2, just like GT4 plays better than Forza. I could be wrong though as it looks like they fixed the glaring issues Forza 1 had.

I don't get the whole damage thing. If its not totally realistic damage, then I could care less. You are not supposed to be crashing anyway. They are racing games, not demolision derby. If Forza wanted to tout damage, then it should be like F1 for PS3 where if you crash once, your game is over. That is realistic. The damage in Forza is more so people can go " oh look, my bumper fell off, and its still there when I pass by again", or "thats so cool that my mirror is gone and my alignment is off". If you crash head on into a wall in Forza, you can still continue to race with only an alignment problem. You call that realistic? I'm sorry to say that GT5 will probably include this level of useless damage.

Either way Games like Ferrari 355 Challenge own both GT and Forza for realistic driving. Even that game is not like the real thing though, no game is or ever will be.

Please explain how my logic is flawed? I think you need to remove your fanboy glasses before you read.

You all do realize this thread is about GTHD supposebly being better then Forza 2?

Knowing this, does anyone seriously think GTHD will be better then Forza 2? :|
FearlessSpirit

No way.  GTHD is a DEMO. Forza 2 is a completely developed game. Only a complete and utter ignorant fanboy would think otherwise.

[QUOTE="kornbone"]...a flying chance against GTHD...

GTHD looks so freaking realistic.
rdo

it's easier for Kaz to concentrate on static graphics when they don't have a fraction of the features Forza 2 does...

i'll still take the Forza2 for realism... ;)

Take F1 championship. An excellent Indy Racing game, shot down for their difficulty.kornbone

[QUOTE="justforlotr2004"][QUOTE="whoisryanmack"][QUOTE="justforlotr2004"][QUOTE="kornbone"]...a flying chance against GTHD...

GTHD looks so freaking realistic.
whoisryanmack

no one even knows what the gt5 engine will look like. gthd was built on the gt4 engine. you dont know what yer talkin bout.whoisryanmack

In GTHD or GT5, does the shape of your car determine the handling, can anyone join into a worldchampionship, can you buy user created cars, are cars destructible etc.? No, so forza wins just like it did against GT4.

11Marcel

Actually. You lose, since no one knows much of anything about GT5 and you are assuming that you do.

GTHD... a demo with one track and 10 cars... versus... a fully fledged game with what is it 45 tracks? 300 cars? And a physics engine that makes the first Forza cringe?

I was impressed with graphics in racing games back with GT3... that is why I bought a PS2... now I realize that I would rather play a racing game for the racing and not the graphics. That is why I am buying a 360 to play Forza 2 and not a PS3 to play GT5. GT5 is going to be exactly like GT, GT2, GT3 and GT4, except there will be Ferrari's, Lambo's, Porsche's and high quality graphics. It will be the same old gameplay rehashed from almost 10 years ago.

Buy car, race car, win race, get credits, buy another car, race another race, win more credits... rinse... repeat...

The developers of Forza 2 are at least trying to give us racing enthusiasts something new...
foxhound_fox

Yes because the developers told you themselves what they are doing with Gt5 or you already played it in the future... Can I borrow your time machine?

[QUOTE="LegendofYaslint"][QUOTE="whoisryanmack"][QUOTE="LegendofYaslint"]

[QUOTE="kornbone"][QUOTE="HaloONE"][QUOTE="shaggymcp"]And GTHD looks way better in motion.
whoisryanmack

While I like the GT series as much as the next guy, saying the Forza physics are laughable made you look like a complete fanboy tool.

GT is great, but Forza owns the hell out of GT when it comes to the actual racing aspect.

GTHD might look better, but so far Forza's devs seem to "get" realistic racing much more than the GT devs.

Just about any non-fanboy racing fan should agree.

If you turn all the assists off, Forza is much more difficult and realistic than GT, Forza is just smart enough to make it easier for those who aren't looking for a huge challenge. 

GT has "bumper car" physics and the sliding on turns is often too aggressive, many racing fans point this out all the time.

GT is still a great series, I just don't see how any series racing fan could think it plays better than Forza. Seems like a fanboy statement IMHO.

Both are great games though.

come on man, how many systems did the PS2 sell compared to the original xbox, just by numbers alone you will have more people playing GT. and usually depending on the system you have, the majority of your friends will probably have the same system as you.

every one of my friends have a 360, only one of them wants a PS3 and another is thinking about it depending on an announcement about God of War 3, so when Forza and GT come out for their systems (360,PS3), obviously I'm going to see more Forza fans than GT fans.

[QUOTE="LegendofYaslint"]

[QUOTE="kornbone"][QUOTE="HaloONE"][QUOTE="shaggymcp"]And GTHD looks way better in motion.
mazdero

While I like the GT series as much as the next guy, saying the Forza physics are laughable made you look like a complete fanboy tool.

GT is great, but Forza owns the hell out of GT when it comes to the actual racing aspect.

GTHD might look better, but so far Forza's devs seem to "get" realistic racing much more than the GT devs.

Just about any non-fanboy racing fan should agree.

I am no fanboy, and I race in real life, but I disagree with you that Forza has better driving physics than GT4.

GTHD is a demo and should never be compared to any full game. If Forza 2 didn't play better than GTHD, it would be incredibly sad. Of course its going to play better. We'll see what GT5 has in store. I believe GT5 will play better than Forza 2, just like GT4 plays better than Forza. I could be wrong though as it looks like they fixed the glaring issues Forza 1 had.

I don't get the whole damage thing. If its not totally realistic damage, then I could care less. You are not supposed to be crashing anyway. They are racing games, not demolision derby. If Forza wanted to tout damage, then it should be like  F1 for PS3 where if you crash once, your game is over. That is realistic. The damage in Forza is more so people can go " oh look, my bumper fell off, and its still there when I pass by again", or "thats so cool that my mirror is gone and my alignment is off". If you crash head on into a wall in Forza, you can still continue to race with only an alignment problem. You call that realistic? I'm sorry to say that GT5 will probably include this level of useless damage.

Either way Games like Ferrari 355 Challenge own both GT and Forza for realistic driving. Even that game is not like the real thing though, no game is or ever will be.

I thought there wasn't damage in GT because the car companies wouldn't let them do it. I swear I read that somewhere, could be wrong, If I a am, I'm sorry!

[QUOTE="mazdero"][QUOTE="LegendofYaslint"]

[QUOTE="kornbone"][QUOTE="HaloONE"][QUOTE="shaggymcp"]And GTHD looks way better in motion.
LEGEND_C4A

While I like the GT series as much as the next guy, saying the Forza physics are laughable made you look like a complete fanboy tool.

GT is great, but Forza owns the hell out of GT when it comes to the actual racing aspect.

GTHD might look better, but so far Forza's devs seem to "get" realistic racing much more than the GT devs.

Just about any non-fanboy racing fan should agree.

I am no fanboy, and I race in real life, but I disagree with you that Forza has better driving physics than GT4.

GTHD is a demo and should never be compared to any full game. If Forza 2 didn't play better than GTHD, it would be incredibly sad. Of course its going to play better. We'll see what GT5 has in store. I believe GT5 will play better than Forza 2, just like GT4 plays better than Forza. I could be wrong though as it looks like they fixed the glaring issues Forza 1 had.

I don't get the whole damage thing. If its not totally realistic damage, then I could care less. You are not supposed to be crashing anyway. They are racing games, not demolision derby. If Forza wanted to tout damage, then it should be like  F1 for PS3 where if you crash once, your game is over. That is realistic. The damage in Forza is more so people can go " oh look, my bumper fell off, and its still there when I pass by again", or "thats so cool that my mirror is gone and my alignment is off". If you crash head on into a wall in Forza, you can still continue to race with only an alignment problem. You call that realistic? I'm sorry to say that GT5 will probably include this level of useless damage.

Either way Games like Ferrari 355 Challenge own both GT and Forza for realistic driving. Even that game is not like the real thing though, no game is or ever will be.

I thought there wasn't damage in GT because the car companies wouldn't let them do it. I swear I read that somewhere, could be wrong, If I a am, I'm sorry!

that was Kaz's excuse.... until Forza proved him to be a liar...;)

[QUOTE="LEGEND_C4A"][QUOTE="mazdero"][QUOTE="LegendofYaslint"]

[QUOTE="kornbone"][QUOTE="HaloONE"][QUOTE="shaggymcp"]And GTHD looks way better in motion.
tango90101

While I like the GT series as much as the next guy, saying the Forza physics are laughable made you look like a complete fanboy tool.

GT is great, but Forza owns the hell out of GT when it comes to the actual racing aspect.

GTHD might look better, but so far Forza's devs seem to "get" realistic racing much more than the GT devs.

Just about any non-fanboy racing fan should agree.

I am no fanboy, and I race in real life, but I disagree with you that Forza has better driving physics than GT4.

GTHD is a demo and should never be compared to any full game. If Forza 2 didn't play better than GTHD, it would be incredibly sad. Of course its going to play better. We'll see what GT5 has in store. I believe GT5 will play better than Forza 2, just like GT4 plays better than Forza. I could be wrong though as it looks like they fixed the glaring issues Forza 1 had.

I don't get the whole damage thing. If its not totally realistic damage, then I could care less. You are not supposed to be crashing anyway. They are racing games, not demolision derby. If Forza wanted to tout damage, then it should be like  F1 for PS3 where if you crash once, your game is over. That is realistic. The damage in Forza is more so people can go " oh look, my bumper fell off, and its still there when I pass by again", or "thats so cool that my mirror is gone and my alignment is off". If you crash head on into a wall in Forza, you can still continue to race with only an alignment problem. You call that realistic? I'm sorry to say that GT5 will probably include this level of useless damage.

Either way Games like Ferrari 355 Challenge own both GT and Forza for realistic driving. Even that game is not like the real thing though, no game is or ever will be.

I thought there wasn't damage in GT because the car companies wouldn't let them do it. I swear I read that somewhere, could be wrong, If I a am, I'm sorry!

that was Kaz's excuse.... until Forza proved him to be a liar...;)

yeah, but didn't microsoft have to pay money to be allowed to do it. not saying thats a bad thing, just wondering if thats what they had to do. pay the companies to be allowed to wreck their precious automobiles. if so, good for microsoft for going the extra mile.

[QUOTE="shaggymcp"]And GTHD looks way better in motion.
HaloONE

[QUOTE="HaloONE"][QUOTE="shaggymcp"]And GTHD looks way better in motion.
Logpaq

...a flying chance against GTHD...

GTHD looks so freaking realistic.
kornbone

[QUOTE="Logpaq"][QUOTE="HaloONE"][QUOTE="shaggymcp"]And GTHD looks way better in motion.
Supafly1

yeah they said the same about motorflop, an look what happenedKaosed