It's funny because here you are crying like a B**** about a black woman being added in as an OPTIONAL playable character as if someone personally attacked you. But you hypocritically think every other demographic is supposed to feel absolutely nothing always being forced to play as a stereo typical white man....ALL THE TIME?
You can't defend one while acting outraged about the other without exposing some toxic bigotry mentality
Is she optional? From what I gather, you can play as any of them in the order you choose but I would wager you need to complete both their stories.
I love Remedy, but this seems a bit overcomplicated to me 🤷♂️. Would have prefered a more straight forward Alan Wake story. The one thing I don't like so much about Remedy is that they rely so much on really long text logs to explain the premises of their universes.
I felt I understood like 20 % of what was going on in Control. I fear Alan Wake 2 will be the same/worse.
Oh Control was definitely the weakest of the bunch. Look at how many fun and creative levels there are in Max payne 1&2, and then compare to Control which is just set in the same building throughout.
The game likes throwing so many words and concepts at you but I fear it didn't make for a better game.
I thought control had some cool ideas with its levels, like the motel for example. But the many words/concepts were indeed confusing more than anything. Max Payne 2 had a pretty straightforward story, which I loved! I guess I'm a bit of a simpleton lol.
It's funny because here you are crying like a B**** about a black woman being added in as an OPTIONAL playable character as if someone personally attacked you. But you hypocritically think every other demographic is supposed to feel absolutely nothing always being forced to play as a stereo typical white man....ALL THE TIME?
You can't defend one while acting outraged about the other without exposing some toxic bigotry mentality
Is she optional? From what I gather, you can play as any of them in the order you choose but I would wager you need to complete both their stories.
IDK man. Fk the details.
The arguments of these whinny racist/bigots on this board tire me.
😱 OMFH they added a black to the cast of this X game...WOKE! The political AGENDA! No buy
same group..
🤗 So they have an all white cast of this X game...That's the way it's always been and should stay forever. Day 1
The arguments of these whinny racist/bigots on this board tire me.
😱 OMFH they added a black to the cast of this X game...WOKE! The political AGENDA! No buy
same group..
🤗 So they have an all white cast of this X game...That's the way it's always been and should stay forever. Day 1
Yeah, @BassMan went full retard on that one. Nothing suggests that the character is woke at all unless being a black woman automatically makes one woke which is fucking stupid.
Let's all just forget that fact that 99.9% of all video game characters throughout history have been represented through the eyes of some white guy.
So, my question is...did you ever have a problem with THAT "agenda"!?????
Let's also just forget the fact that other races and demographics have supported gaming without so much as a word of complaint about the same white man being case in every role of a game known to man.
So, if you never had a word of complaint about the whole American/European white man "agenda" before then just STFU because you sound dumb as shit for trying to make an issue about a few other demographics finally getting represented in games now.
Are you for real? We are constantly bombarded by woke propaganda and other bullshit these days. So many SJWs. Also, if the stereotypical white character was the norm, they weren't exactly pushing an agenda now were they? It is just the way it was. Diversity is good for variety sake, but when companies are trying too hard and following woke trends, it gets silly and insulting. The woke trend is becoming the new lens flare in games.
So yes you were fully on board with and make excuses for the Bleached agenda?
Glad you've confirmed yourself be a an illogical hypocrite.
You claiming there wasn't a white agenda, is the same as when a white person says racism doesn't exist.
It only seems that way to you because it's not something you see as a problem since neither scenario negatively affects you.
It's funny because here you are crying like a B**** about a black woman being added in as an OPTIONAL playable character as if someone personally attacked you. But you hypocritically think every other demographic is supposed to feel absolutely nothing always being forced to play as a stereo typical white man?
You can't defend one while acting outraged about the other without exposing some toxic bigotry mentality
Those 'bleached' characters were what the developers wanted to make. Also, those were the characters that sold copies. Publishers have been tracking sales and using demographic and market research data forever to shape their games. Now they are giving into woke agendas to appease the SJW woke activists. They also love to advertise their woke creations with stupid shit like Sundance in BF 2042. Not only does Sundance look like a black female, but they went through the extra effort to let everyone know that she was actually trans. All this in a MP game where these characters don't even need a backstory. They wanted to earn those brownie points with the woke activists though. Let's not forget about the main protagonist in The Gunk. Not only is she a black female, but they went the extra mile and made her a lesbian too. The woke crowd must be giving another standing ovation. It is ridiculous.
The arguments of these whinny racist/bigots on this board tire me.
😱 OMFH they added a black to the cast of this X game...WOKE! The political AGENDA! No buy
same group..
🤗 So they have an all white cast of this X game...That's the way it's always been and should stay forever. Day 1
Yeah, @BassMan went full retard on that one. Nothing suggests that the character is woke at all unless being a black woman automatically makes one woke which is fucking stupid.
She is part of the woke trend. Like I said, it's no coincidence that all these black female protagonists are popping up all of the sudden. Developers and publishers pandering to the woke movement. It's the new lens flare. You got to add woke elements or you might get cancelled. The cancel culture mob mentality is out of control these days. Society is fucked. Just look at the terms thrown around already.... racist, bigot, simpleton just for calling out woke shit. Meanwhile, I have not said anything racist or demeaning. Woke SJWs are such friendly model citizens with great manners. LOL
So yes you were fully on board with and make excuses for the Bleached agenda?
Glad you've confirmed yourself be a an illogical hypocrite.
You claiming there wasn't a white agenda, is the same as when a white person says racism doesn't exist.
It only seems that way to you because it's not something you see as a problem since neither scenario negatively affects you.
It's funny because here you are crying like a B**** about a black woman being added in as an OPTIONAL playable character as if someone personally attacked you. But you hypocritically think every other demographic is supposed to feel absolutely nothing always being forced to play as a stereo typical white man?
You can't defend one while acting outraged about the other without exposing some toxic bigotry mentality
Those 'bleached' characters were what the developers wanted to make. Also, those were the characters that sold copies. Publishers have been tracking sales and using demographic and market research data forever to shape their games. Now they are giving into woke agendas to appease the SJW woke activists. They also love to advertise their woke creations with stupid shit like Sundance in BF 2042. Not only does Sundance look like a black female, but they went through the extra effort to let everyone know that she was actually trans. All this in a MP game where these characters don't even need a backstory. They wanted to earn those brownie points with the woke activists though. Let's not forget about the main protagonist in The Gunk. Not only is she a black female, but they went the extra mile and made her a lesbian too. The woke crowd must be giving another standing ovation. It is ridiculous.
LMFAO, that's some weak confirmation bias.
🤔 Riddle me this (using the same logic you just applied to games) were all the TV shows and movies that were only white in the beginning because of sales demographics too and black actors wouldn't sell?
Or was that because the only people who were given the opportunity to play in those roles white people???
Because today black media is huge and a billion dollar market. Black focused shows like POWER from 50 Cent comes to mind. Blockbuster movies like Black Panther comes to mind.
So, Just like all white TV shows in the past, how would you know if a game would sell based on diversity, if there were no alternatives to test that theory out?
Your argument tracking demographics or other is nonsense...you can't create that argument unless there was a wide rage of diversity in the past to test that out, but you admit all the games in the past were white men so cut the BS!
Please read my comments and the context instead of jumping to conclusions and trying to portray me as some bad guy.
@BassMan said:
Those 'bleached' characters were what the developers wanted to make. Also, those were the characters that sold copies. Publishers have been tracking sales and using demographic and market research data forever to shape their games. Now they are giving into woke agendas to appease the SJW woke activists. They also love to advertise their woke creations with stupid shit like Sundance in BF 2042. Not only does Sundance look like a black female, but they went through the extra effort to let everyone know that she was actually trans. All this in a MP game where these characters don't even need a backstory. They wanted to earn those brownie points with the woke activists though. Let's not forget about the main protagonist in The Gunk. Not only is she a black female, but they went the extra mile and made her a lesbian too. The woke crowd must be giving another standing ovation. It is ridiculous.
Seems like you did that yourself.🙃
"Developers are catering to other groups and I am upset."😂
She is part of the woke trend. Like I said, it's no coincidence that all these black female protagonists are popping up all of the sudden. Developers and publishers pandering to the woke movement. It's the new lens flare. You got to add woke elements or you might get cancelled. The cancel culture mob mentality is out of control these days. Society is fucked. Just look at the terms thrown around already.... racist, bigot, simpleton just for calling out woke shit. Meanwhile, I have not said anything racist or demeaning. Woke SJWs are such friendly model citizens with great manners. LOL
Again, it's nonsensical. Being a black woman doesn't make you part of a woke trend and if you reduce them to that, then you're a fool.
If the game drops and she does shit that clearly pushes an agenda, then knock yourself out. As it stands, black women literally existing to you is woke and I don't need to tell you how utterly moronic this is. You don't know anything about her yet so you cannot call her woke.
@BassMan: lmao, poor bassman, you should have just kept sticking to bashing handhelds instead of stepping into the wokeness arguments.
Though I disagree with you on everything you said there too, its fantastic that more people from every background and culture are being represented. Contrary to what you may think, the white male / female doesn't represent all people. No hate, regardless of any skin color or other nonsense, we're all humans, all brothers and sisters.
I've heard people tell me Max Payne is in the trailer. Is that true?
Yes
Where? Is he the boss of the FBI agent?
Nvm, It's not him.
If you are wondering if this is actually Max Payne in the Alan Wake 2 trailer, it is not. The PlayStation blognotesthe two FBI agents are Saga Anderson and her veteran colleague Alex Casey.
It would be nice if they were the central character.
Yea it would be actually because 83% of FBI agents are males. So it does come off as pandering. Regardless will see how that works out for them.
So, with your logic if any game focuses on the 27% of female FBIs they are pandering? That same logic would also imply that in order to not "pander" you cannot have groups in your game that are not the majority. Does that sound like logical reasoning to you?
It would be nice if they were the central character.
Yea it would be actually because 83% of FBI agents are males. So it does come off as pandering. Regardless will see how that works out for them.
So, with your logic if any game focuses on the 27% of female FBIs they are pandering? That same logic would also imply that in order to not "pander" you cannot have groups in your game that are not the majority. Does that sound like logical reasoning to you?
Lol did you mean 17% ? 🤣
It's about demographics. How much of your audience do you think are black females? If you don't think they have some DEI initiative that actively seeks to put this in their games then I don't know what to tell you.
We had this argument with Saints row when you refused to acknowledge the " woke pandering " eventhough many people called it out and the game flopped. This isn't going to help sales.
Focus on your Demographic, that's what I'm saying.
Lol did you mean 17% 🤣. It's about demographics. How much of your audience do you think are black females? If you don't think they have some DEI initiative that actively seeks to put this in their games then I don't know what to tell you.
We had this argument with Saints row when you refused to acknowledge the " woke pandering " eventhough many people called it out abd the game flopped.
Yes! 17%. Now, your new logic is that your audience needs to be of the same race and gender. Does that sound like logical reasoning to you?
Sorry, I don't sub to conspiracy theories. But, you are free to provide the source of your DEI initiative that was behind the decision.
The argument remains the same because you folks are using brain-dead logic and are the loudest about race, gender and sexuality. While most people don't care or give it a thought, you all are the first to feel victimized in a market in which 95% or more of all games ever created are directly catered to you but you whine about the 5%. Arbitrary numbers.
EDIT: "Focus on your Demographic, that's what I'm saying."
What is the demographic for this game? Please share what they want in this game and provide the data to validate your claim. 😎
Lol did you mean 17% 🤣. It's about demographics. How much of your audience do you think are black females? If you don't think they have some DEI initiative that actively seeks to put this in their games then I don't know what to tell you.
We had this argument with Saints row when you refused to acknowledge the " woke pandering " eventhough many people called it out abd the game flopped.
Yes! 17%. Now, your new logic is that your audience needs to be of the same race and gender. Does that sound like logical reasoning to you?
Sorry, I don't sub to conspiracy theories. But, you are free to provide the source of your DEI initiative that was behind the decision.
The argument remains the same because you folks are using brain-dead logic and are the loudest about race, gender and sexuality. While most people don't care or give it a thought, you all are the first to feel victimized in a market in which 95% or more of all games ever created are directly catered to you but you whine about the 5%. Arbitrary numbers.
Logical reasoning is making characters that your core Demographic will latch on to.
This isn't a conspiracy it's a well known Fact. It's infected the entire Industry. I realize you like it and that's fine but don't play dumb and deny it's happening.
It's not brain dead logic were simply analyzing what's happening. Most people actually do care. They don't post about it on forums or talk about it they just don't buy the game and move on. I also don't feel victimized( that's called projection). I'm just stating a basic fact. The average person sees and average looking black women in an action horror game and has less interest in playing it and there was most likely someone on the team that campaigned for an average looking person of color
Here's the reality. People want a protagonist that looks like them or someone they would want to be. If it's a female ( they want her to be a baddie( as pathetic as that may sound) it's just reality and progressive activist at game companies are not going to change that.
With the Horizon series getting to 30 millions in sales I'm surprised that so many red hair females are buying the game.
They probably bought it for the same reason I did. Bad ass robot Dinosaurs and combat encounters. It's also because alot of gamers find her attractive( i don't ). There's a reason characters like Lara Croft, Cammy and Chun Li are iconic.
Logical reasoning is making characters that your core Demographic will latch on to.
This isn't a conspiracy it's a well known Fact. It's infected the entire Industry. I realize you like it and that's fine but don't play dumb and deny it's happening.
It's not brain dead logic were simply analyzing what's happening. Most people actually do care. They don't post about it on forums or talk about it they just don't buy the game and move on. I also don't feel victimized( that's called projection). I'm just stating a basic fact. The average person sees and average looking black women in an action horror game and has less interest in playing it and there was most likely someone on the team that campaigned for an average looking person of color
Here's the reality. People want a protagonist that looks like them or someone they would want to be. If it's a female ( they want her to be a baddie( as pathetic as that may sound) it's just reality and progressive activist at game companies are not going to change that.
Can you provide evidence that defines what the demographic for this game is looking for? I look forward to reading this information.
Did you even watch the video you referenced? It is clear you did not.😂
It is brain dead logic. You are acting like a victim and you are not a victim. If you claim you are not a victim and don't suffer from a victim complex, we would not be having this nonsensical discussion about a single black person in a game in which you and another folk feel that you left out. Now, you are claiming that the inclusion of a black woman would lessen interest, please provide evidence of this claim.
Again, I look forward to evidence to your claims.😊
With the Horizon series getting to 30 millions in sales I'm surprised that so many red hair females are buying the game.
Apparently I am a red head female cause that is the only demographic who would be interested in the game, so.🤷🏽♀️
These are the same folks during GamerGate nonsense who argued that developers should be able to make the game they want to make. Now when they do, they are pandering and have been infected by the boogieman "wokeness".😂
Logical reasoning is making characters that your core Demographic will latch on to.
This isn't a conspiracy it's a well known Fact. It's infected the entire Industry. I realize you like it and that's fine but don't play dumb and deny it's happening.
It's not brain dead logic were simply analyzing what's happening. Most people actually do care. They don't post about it on forums or talk about it they just don't buy the game and move on. I also don't feel victimized( that's called projection). I'm just stating a basic fact. The average person sees and average looking black women in an action horror game and has less interest in playing it and there was most likely someone on the team that campaigned for an average looking person of color
Here's the reality. People want a protagonist that looks like them or someone they would want to be. If it's a female ( they want her to be a baddie( as pathetic as that may sound) it's just reality and progressive activist at game companies are not going to change that.
Can you provide evidence that defines what the demographic for this game is looking for? I look forward to reading this information.
Did you even watch the video you referenced? It is clear you did not.😂
It is brain dead logic. You are acting like a victim and you are not a victim. If you claim you are not a victim and don't suffer from a victim complex, we would not be having this nonsensical discussion about a single black person in a game in which you and another folk feel that you left out. Now, you are claiming that the inclusion of a black woman would lessen interest, please provide evidence of this claim.
Again, I look forward to evidence to your claims.😊
Well your side constantly bitches about how representation matters correct? If that's true that would imply what I said is true. Why are you trying to represent a portion of the community that makes up less then 5% of your audience? How about this why don't you provide a single example of a story driven game being widely successful with a black female protagonist?
I did and I can provide more. It's a presentation about DEI in the gaming industry. These are the types that have taken over the Industry. I've seen other videos one at GDC from several years ago when they mention " that the default for characters shouldn't be white". It's a focus in the gaming Industry so what are you even trying to argue here?
You can keep repeating yourself and playing dumb but the fact is we get articles Like this for a reason. We're not the ones that play victim that's you! 🤣. We just look at this shit and say " yea no thanks" and tell you why it failed and watch you play dumb later ! I'm claiming average looking female heroes lessen interest... yes. Can you provide a single example thst proves otherwise? Can you name me a average looking black female protagonist who's iconic?
I'll happily still play it, haters seeing this as too woke for them were already probably loosers anyways, no sympathies, they can stew on their Telegram channels about why stuff like this makes them want to try to violently overthrow the government again, and hopefully get arrested before they go on an AR-15 rampage accusing Chuck E Cheese of child sex trafficking.
Well your side constantly bitches about how representation matters correct? If that's true that would imply what I said is true. Why are you trying to represent a portion of the community that makes up less then 5% of your audience? How about this why don't you provide a single example of a story driven game being widely successful with a black female protagonist?
I did and I can provide more. It's a presentation about DEI in the gaming industry. These are the types that have taken over the Industry. I've seen other videos one at GDC from several years ago when they mention " that the default for characters shouldn't be white". It's a focus in the gaming Industry so what are you even trying to argue here?
You can keep repeating yourself and playing dumb but the fact is we get articles Like this for a reason. We're not the ones that play victim that's you! 🤣. We just look at this shit and say " yea no thanks" and tell you why it failed and watch you play dumb later ! I'm claiming average looking female heroes lessen interest... yes. Can you provide a single example thst proves otherwise? Can you name me a average looking black female protagonist who's iconic?
Can you provide evidence that defines what the demographic for this game is looking for? I look forward to reading this information. You made the claim now back it up. I am not interested any of your deflection unless you back your claim. Otherwise, just say "this is just my opinion".😊
Well your side constantly bitches about how representation matters correct? If that's true that would imply what I said is true. Why are you trying to represent a portion of the community that makes up less then 5% of your audience? How about this why don't you provide a single example of a story driven game being widely successful with a black female protagonist?
I did and I can provide more. It's a presentation about DEI in the gaming industry. These are the types that have taken over the Industry. I've seen other videos one at GDC from several years ago when they mention " that the default for characters shouldn't be white". It's a focus in the gaming Industry so what are you even trying to argue here?
You can keep repeating yourself and playing dumb but the fact is we get articles Like this for a reason. We're not the ones that play victim that's you! 🤣. We just look at this shit and say " yea no thanks" and tell you why it failed and watch you play dumb later ! I'm claiming average looking female heroes lessen interest... yes. Can you provide a single example thst proves otherwise? Can you name me a average looking black female protagonist who's iconic?
Can you provide evidence that defines what the demographic for this game is looking for? I look forward to reading this information. You made the claim now back it up. I am not interested any of your deflection unless you back your claim. Otherwise, just say "this is just my opinion".😊
You have no argument as usual 🤣. Let's do the same thing we did with Saints row. I told you it would flop, it did. This will too and you can continue to play dumb and wonder why.
With the Horizon series getting to 30 millions in sales I'm surprised that so many red hair females are buying the game.
Apparently I am a red head female cause that is the only demographic who would be interested in the game, so.🤷🏽♀️
These are the same folks during GamerGate nonsense who argued that developers should be able to make the game they want to make. Now when they do, they are pandering and have been infected by the boogieman "wokeness".😂
I'm sure " Remedy" who's mostly white men wanted a black female lead in their action horror game. 🤣
You have no argument as usual 🤣. Let's do the same thing we did with Saints row. I told you it would flop, it did. This will too and you can continue to play dumb and wonder why.
So, in conclusion you made a claim about the demographic of this game and when asked for the evidence you deflected because you were just sharing your baseless opinion.🤭
In the meantime, the black female is this game would grind your gears.😂
You have no argument as usual 🤣. Let's do the same thing we did with Saints row. I told you it would flop, it did. This will too and you can continue to play dumb and wonder why.
So, in conclusion you made a claim about the demographic of this game and when asked for the evidence you deflected because you were just sharing your baseless opinion.🤭
In the meantime, the black female is this game would grind your gears.😂
Nothing is baseless about it. That's why when I asked you to give me examples of average looking iconic black females in video games you disappeared. 🤣.
It doesn't actually. I haven't bought a remedy game in over a decade. I just don't enjoy them honestly. I'm just telling you why fans of " Alan Wake" may have an issue with him being a secondary character in his own game. You can cry about it all you want.
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