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#1 T-Aldous
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Between these two games, not alot of people that I know personally have heard of either of them. Which one do you think will sell better and which one do you think will score better here? I will but Alan Wake day 1 and most likely Heavy Rain as well.

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#2 Ragashahs
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alan wake will easily sell better as MS will advertise a lot more than heavy rain and since it has action in it it will appeal to a much bigger crowd than heavy rain. as for score i think if heavy rain can deiliever on all of it's promises it can be something really set itself apart from every other game and be a big sleeper hit like bioshock or batman: AA

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#3 Greatgone12
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I'd rather play Max Payne than Indigo Prophecy, so I'd rather play Alan Wake than Heavy Rain. Plus the Heavy Rain devs don't even have the guts to call it a video game, so I'm leaning towards the possibility that it might not be a very good video game.

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#4 T-Aldous
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I personally am thinking that they will score roughly the same but Alan Wake will outsell Heavy Rain. I hope they both do well though.

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#5 Jared2720
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I'd rather play Max Payne than Indigo Prophecy, so I'd rather play Alan Wake than Heavy Rain. Plus the Heavy Rain devs don't even have the guts to call it a video game, so I'm leaning towards the possibility that it might not be a very good video game.

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The term "video game" is already outdated and archaic. We only use it for lack of a better term. The point is that you're focused on all the wrong details.
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I don't. Heavy Rain's developers keep describing it as an "interactive drama" instead of a video game, which sounds like a desperate grab at legitimacy. If they don't have the sense to call a spade a spade, then I doubt that they have the sense to design a good game. Maybe I'm being harsh, but stupid behavior deserves harsh response.

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Why are both games being compared? From what I've seen, they are not alike.
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#8 Greatgone12
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[QUOTE="Greatgone12"]

I'd rather play Max Payne than Indigo Prophecy, so I'd rather play Alan Wake than Heavy Rain. Plus the Heavy Rain devs don't even have the guts to call it a video game, so I'm leaning towards the possibility that it might not be a very good video game.

Jared2720

The term "video game" is already outdated and archaic. We only use it for lack of a better term. The point is that you're focused on all the wrong details.

My problem isn't that they're not calling it a video game, but that the dev team sounds like a bunch of megalomaniacs. And the term "interactive drama" is stupid, don't you think?

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#9 EndorphinMaster
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HR is gonna be epic. AW...meh.

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Why are both games being compared? From what I've seen, they are not alike.IronBass
Dark mystery stories?
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#11 Arach666
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Both.Period.
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#12 dragonfly110
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I wouldve said alan wake but really recently Id honestly have to say Heavy Rain for me.

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[QUOTE="IronBass"]Why are both games being compared? From what I've seen, they are not alike.SparkyProtocol
Dark mystery stories?

Which are not even similar. >_> Alan Wake has something to do with the supernatural while Heavy Rain is supposed to be some kind of drama.
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I don't. Heavy Rain's developers keep describing it as an "interactive drama" instead of a video game, which sounds like a desperate grab at legitimacy. If they don't have the sense to call a spade a spade, then I doubt that they have the sense to design a good game. Maybe I'm being harsh, but stupid behavior deserves harsh response.

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In my opinion, you're doing a disservice to the industry by clinging to such outmoded nomenclature. It's no wonder that "gamers" have the reputation that they do. Reducing these works of art to something called a "video game" is counterproductive. Interactive media will become the literary tradition of the 21st Century, I believe, the way film was the literature of the 20th Century, but you're not doing the medium any favors with your semantics.
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[QUOTE="SparkyProtocol"][QUOTE="IronBass"]Why are both games being compared? From what I've seen, they are not alike.IronBass
Dark mystery stories?

Which are not even similar. >_> Alan Wake has something to do with the supernatural while Heavy Rain is supposed to be some kind of drama.

I guess the reason I am comparing them is because they are both mystery type of games, they are both exclusive (AW so far), and I have net heard much about either if them outside of system wars by real people on the streets.
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#16 Greatgone12
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In my opinion, you're doing a disservice to the industry by clinging to such outmoded nomenclature. It's no wonder that "gamers" have the reputation that they do. Reducing these works of art to something called a "video game" is counterproductive. Interactive media will become the literary tradition of the 21st Century, I believe, the way film was the literature of the 20th Century, but you're not doing the medium any favors with your semantics.Jared2720

As Wittgenstein explained, if you do not define your terms precisely, then your statement is nonsensical. In this case, the term "video game" is, indeed, a nonsensical term, because we cannot define a game. After all, if it is merely something that is defined by rules, then isn't everything a game? Because ultimately, all rules occur after the fact, as a result of humans defining them. And if "game" is a synonym of "everything", then the word "game" itself is meaningless -- ultimately, any statement that takes the word "game" at anything but face value is a nonsensical statement.

Secondly, "literature" is written work. Film is not the "literature" of the 20th century -- it is the film of the 20th century, or, if you want to be more precise, it is the adaptation of theater onto a medium that allows for greater suspension of disbelief. As with video games, they are ultimately the adaptation of games onto a medium that allows for certain greater possibilities. That does not change the fact that they are games.

Thirdly, the implied statement of your post is that "games are art", but then we must define every single term in the statement. In this case, we know that the word "game" is meaningless, and from that point of view, we can determine that the whole statement is nonsensical. But even if you forget that for a moment, we must then look at the definition of the word "art". Any basic dictionary search will reveal many definitions, which proves only that something is amiss. Indeed, it is: the word "art" does not have a universal definition. Again, as Wittgenstein explained with the "Beetle in the Box", words must have consensus in order to mean anything. A word cannot mean something only to you, because then the word does not actually have any meaning.

So now we can look at how the word "art" is, by consensus, understood: as a craft (the art of war, painting) or as something of outstanding quality ("your sister is a work of art"). Developing a video game can be described as an art, but then it loses all legitimacy, because everybody is an artist in that case. An excellent video game is also art, but it does not represent video games as a whole. It does not add legitimacy, either.

Fourthly, you are only proving your ignorance by disapproving of semantics, because it is the most important barrier to any and all discussion that wishes to be anything more than superficial. Now who is it that's doing this industry a disservice?

"Video game", taken as anything but at face value, means nothing. As an industry, the word "video game" means something that exists with a graphical component is defined by rules. That is it. Nothing is being inhibited or whatever.

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I am more interested in Alan Wake... or I will be, should a PC version be announced.

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#18 BioShockOwnz
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Both AA-AAA. Alan Wake will sell better.

Buying both day one. My most anticipated games... for years now.

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[QUOTE="Jared2720"]In my opinion, you're doing a disservice to the industry by clinging to such outmoded nomenclature. It's no wonder that "gamers" have the reputation that they do. Reducing these works of art to something called a "video game" is counterproductive. Interactive media will become the literary tradition of the 21st Century, I believe, the way film was the literature of the 20th Century, but you're not doing the medium any favors with your semantics.Greatgone12

As Wittgenstein explained, if you do not define your terms precisely, then your statement is nonsensical. In this case, the term "video game" is, indeed, a nonsensical term, because we cannot define a game. After all, if it is merely something that is defined by rules, then isn't everything a game? Because ultimately, all rules occur after the fact, as a result of humans defining them. And if "game" is a synonym of "everything", then the word "game" itself is meaningless -- ultimately, any statement that takes the word "game" at anything but face value is a nonsensical statement.

Secondly, "literature" is written work. Film is not the "literature" of the 20th century -- it is the film of the 20th century, or, if you want to be more precise, it is the adaptation of theater onto a medium that allows for greater suspension of disbelief. As with video games, they are ultimately the adaptation of games onto a medium that allows for certain greater possibilities. That does not change the fact that they are games.

Thirdly, the implied statement of your post is that "games are art", but then we must define every single term in the statement. In this case, we know that the word "game" is meaningless, and from that point of view, we can determine that the whole statement is nonsensical. But even if you forget that for a moment, we must then look at the definition of the word "art". Any basic dictionary search will reveal many definitions, which proves only that something is amiss. Indeed, it is: the word "art" does not have a universal definition. Again, as Wittgenstein explained with the "Beetle in the Box", words must have consensus in order to mean anything. A word cannot mean something only to you, because then the word does not actually have any meaning.

So now we can look at how the word "art" is, by consensus, understood: as a craft (the art of war, painting) or as something of outstanding quality ("your sister is a work of art"). Developing a video game can be described as an art, but then it loses all legitimacy, because everybody is an artist in that case. An excellent video game is also art, but it does not represent video games as a whole. It does not add legitimacy, either.

Fourthly, you are only proving your ignorance by disapproving of semantics, because it is the most important barrier to any and all discussion that wishes to be anything more than superficial. Now who is it that's doing this industry a disservice?

"Video game", taken as anything but at face value, means nothing. As an industry, the word "video game" means something that exists with a graphical component is defined by rules. That is it. Nothing is being inhibited or whatever.

This is mostly gibberish.
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#20 Greatgone12
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This is mostly gibberish.Jared2720
Thank goodness you've pointed out every flaw in my argument.

Listen, do yourself a favor and go pick up this book. All of your delusions about "art" and "semantics" will be cleared up in no time.

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[QUOTE="Greatgone12"]

I don't. Heavy Rain's developers keep describing it as an "interactive drama" instead of a video game, which sounds like a desperate grab at legitimacy. If they don't have the sense to call a spade a spade, then I doubt that they have the sense to design a good game. Maybe I'm being harsh, but stupid behavior deserves harsh response.

Jared2720

In my opinion, you're doing a disservice to the industry by clinging to such outmoded nomenclature. It's no wonder that "gamers" have the reputation that they do. Reducing these works of art to something called a "video game" is counterproductive. Interactive media will become the literary tradition of the 21st Century, I believe, the way film was the literature of the 20th Century, but you're not doing the medium any favors with your semantics.

Game developers should take pride in the nature and history of the medium in which they work, and the phrase "interactive drama" is a just a bull **** marketing ploy, as the term "Graphic Novel" was in relation to comic books.

The title "Video Game" is not outdated, nor shameful in the least, and to hell with any studio that's embarassed to stand behind it.

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Been anticipating both for a long time; hoping for both to succeed. Not too sure how they'll fare score-wise, though I can see Alan Wake edging out Heavy Rain there. Sales-wise, however, it should be no contest, Alan Wake.
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#24 67gt500
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Been anticipating both for a long time; hoping for both to succeed. Not too sure how they'll fare score-wise, though I can see Alan Wake edging out Heavy Rain there. Sales-wise, however, it should be no contest, Alan Wake.ToScA-
I'll second this - 2010 will be a particularly good year to have both a 360 and a PS3... I fully expect both of these games (and all of Sony and Microsoft's other 2010 heavy-hitters) to deliver a stellar experience...
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[QUOTE="ToScA-"]Been anticipating both for a long time; hoping for both to succeed. Not too sure how they'll fare score-wise, though I can see Alan Wake edging out Heavy Rain there. Sales-wise, however, it should be no contest, Alan Wake.67gt500
I'll second this - 2010 will be a particularly good year to have both a 360 and a PS3... I fully expect both of these games (and all of Sony and Microsoft's other 2010 heavy-hitters) to deliver a stellar experience...

I very much enjoyed Fahrenheit (excluding the final act...what the **** happened?!), so me probably ending up loving Heavy Rain kind of goes without saying :D

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[QUOTE="67gt500"][QUOTE="ToScA-"]Been anticipating both for a long time; hoping for both to succeed. Not too sure how they'll fare score-wise, though I can see Alan Wake edging out Heavy Rain there. Sales-wise, however, it should be no contest, Alan Wake.ToScA-

I'll second this - 2010 will be a particularly good year to have both a 360 and a PS3... I fully expect both of these games (and all of Sony and Microsoft's other 2010 heavy-hitters) to deliver a stellar experience...

I very much enjoyed Fahrenheit (excluding the final act...what the **** happened?!), so me probably ending up loving Heavy Rain kind of goes without saying :D

Yeah - I was with Fahrenheit - er, Indigo Prophesy - up to that point as well... I think Heavy Rain will be all good from start to finish, though... I... hope...
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im picking up both but I think alan wake will go over best
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#28 T-Aldous
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Looks like AW is the big winner here in system wars. I think it is the safe bet as HR can really go either way, either a big hit or a huge flop. It just seems like both games are running under the radar in the real world though, I hope they get some advertising as they both need it.

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I think that Alan Wake will score and sell better than Heavy Rain, but doesn't mean to me that Heavy Rain won't be better, only will mean that the HR reviews will go from 10 to 5 and will low the average... and sales will be 1,000,000 units or so.

I have both consoles and if i had to choose wich one of the two games to play, I would choose HR.

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[QUOTE="Jared2720"][QUOTE="Greatgone12"]

I don't. Heavy Rain's developers keep describing it as an "interactive drama" instead of a video game, which sounds like a desperate grab at legitimacy. If they don't have the sense to call a spade a spade, then I doubt that they have the sense to design a good game. Maybe I'm being harsh, but stupid behavior deserves harsh response.

jethrovegas

In my opinion, you're doing a disservice to the industry by clinging to such outmoded nomenclature. It's no wonder that "gamers" have the reputation that they do. Reducing these works of art to something called a "video game" is counterproductive. Interactive media will become the literary tradition of the 21st Century, I believe, the way film was the literature of the 20th Century, but you're not doing the medium any favors with your semantics.

Game developers should take pride in the nature and history of the medium in which they work, and the phrase "interactive drama" is a just a bull **** marketing ploy, as the term "Graphic Novel" was in relation to comic books.

The title "Video Game" is not outdated, nor shameful in the least, and to hell with any studio that's embarassed to stand behind it.

Have you watched the traliers. Interactive drama is a much more suited name then game.

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#31 PatchMaster
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Both games will be very unique and probably score AA or AAA. Alan Wake will most likely sell more copies. I wish people would stop comparing the two though. This is a good thread, but there have just been way too many otherspitting HR & AW against eachother. I understand they're both exclusives, but they're actually quite different and probably going to be released about 3 months apart.

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Alan Wake. It's very possible that many people will skip Heavy Rain due to the fact that you arent in full control of a character 90% of the time and instead just press buttons to progress a storyline one way or another. Many gamers do not want a movie, they want a game to play.
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I was interested in Alan Wake for years but it has passed and I am really not interested anymore, while Heavy Rain I am interested in but I think I will wait for reviews or some decent info on gameplay. I think they will get simular scores but Alan Wake will sell better with its years of hype.
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stop comparing a linear third person shooter (alan wake) to Heavy Rain which is more of a story driven psychological thriller.
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Heavy Rain is too epic to score low.
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alan wake loses to heavy rain graphically, but everything else like soundtrack, atmosphere, gameplay and story looks more interesting. heavy rain looks boring to be honest.

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#37 dommeus
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Getting both. Alan Wake will likely be my favourite, but no idea which will score/sell better. Depends on the marketing I guess.

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Not comparing them. They are two different games one is a survival horror and the other is a adventure game. One thing I can say though I'm sure both games will be great.

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How about both?

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voted for option A.

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#41 djsifer01
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Both are must have games. Both are also day 1 buys for me. I ordered the CE of heavy Rain from Europe, since i cant get it here in the US. BTW, why would it ever be one or the other? If you cant get both or are not getting both your doing it wrong.
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Well, considering that there is hardly any information on Alan Wake, and there has been plenty of videos for Heavy Rain, I would have to go with Heavy Rain.
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#43 Cerberus_Legion
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I'm interested in Alan Wake. Heavy Rain never has and never will interest me. Doesn't appeal to me in the slightest, and no, not because of "OMG I like playing with guns and shooting people" but because it's too realistic, and I don't like too much realism in my games, which is primarily why I play 'em.

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#44 qbell
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neither. both look like bore fest
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#45 SecretPolice
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neither. both look like bore festqbell
You owe it to yourself to watch this - I guarantee the game-play looks anything but boring.. :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXvWRDjTIZ8&feature=related

On topic, Alan Wake !!