Alan Wake RECONFIRMED as 960x540p! and Remedy Caught faking!

Crysis 1080p, Everything looks crisp



Crysis 640p, Everything looks like garbage

Crysis 1080p, Everything looks crisp

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Crysis 640p, Everything looks like garbage

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anshul89

Is the 1080P one with AA on? Cause I can get Crysis to look like that on my rig but it only goes at about 18-20 FPS with no AA.

Beyond3d is never wrong. And alan wake isn't the best looking game on the console, not even best looking exclusive. THat goes to halo reach. I don't understand why people think this game looks so great. It looks pretty but doesn't really differentiate that much from other pretty games.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="OneLazyAsian"]

You claim MGS4 is sub-hd. You do know that Quaz51 was the one that first told everyone about this right? No one else knew. So by telling everyone about MGS4's sub-hd, you admit that you take Quaz51's word that MGS4 is sub-hd. The irony comes as you out refute his evidence on AW. So which one do you choose? Is MGS4 and AW both sub-hd or are you just cherry picking the evidence now much like those cows you are calling hypocriics?

OneLazyAsian

He made his discovery even before the release of the game. He based it on in-game screens he got. He has done this before you know. This is not the first time he has reveiled a game being in sub-hd before its official release. So far he hasn't been wrong yet, so it seems much more likely that he knows what he's talking about. And this is also not the first time a company has tried to cover up a game's resolution. If I remember correctly, MGS4 was claimed to be 720P all the way up til the point where Quaz exposed it as 576P(?).

[QUOTE="OneLazyAsian"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] The difference being that one game is actually released...DarkLink77

He made his discovery even before the release of the game. He based it on in-game screens he got. He has done this before you know. This is not the first time he has reveiled a game being in sub-hd before its official release. So far he hasn't been wrong yet, so it seems much more likely that he knows what he's talking about. And this is also not the first time a company has tried to cover up a game's resolution. If I remember correctly, MGS4 was claimed to be 720P all the way up til the point where Quaz exposed it as 576P(?).

But seeing as he hasn't yet been wrong, I am more inclined to believe him. I didn't say he couldn't be. All we have are the words of a community manager and a person that is very good at pixel counting.

[QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"][QUOTE="themyth01"] Yea, this is going to be interesting. That pic proves nothing so we still don't know the true resolution of the game, not that it matters except for fanboys. Vaasman

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

[QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"] Except we do. The only people who do are in denial as there is absolute evidence that this video took footage of the game running at 540p. Unless you were to claim that Remedy randomly ran their game at a lower resolution, for the lulz, while it was being captured... there is no other explanation for it. SquatsAreAwesom

[QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"][QUOTE="Vaasman"]Absolute evidence? Remedy says the screens taken are blown up versions of screen grabs from a 540p video, and that their game does in fact run at 720p. Absolute implies that there is no way someone could refute this, but the dev's community manager just did, so who am I supposed to believe?

Vaasman

wow, these threads are making me laugh, who cares if alan wake is sub-HD, it still looks georgeous anyway, i cannot understand peoples logic, they seem to think that confirming the game as 540p will actually decrease how good the game looks to people, it's still the same good looking game that it was before this news came to light,delta3074

wow, these threads are making me laugh, who cares if alan wake is sub-HD, it still looks georgeous anyway, i cannot understand peoples logic, they seem to think that confirming the game as 540p will actually decrease how good the game looks to people, it's still the same good looking game that it was before this news came to light,delta3074

Some are hyping Alan Wake to be the next console graphics king when clearly it is not. The native resolution fiasco is concrete proof (as opposed to subjective opinion) that Alan Wake is less than what it is being trumped up to be.

Screen Capture = 720p

Actual Pixel Ratio of GAMEPLAY = 547p

If the capture was taken from a feed that was compromised, the HUD would also have artifacts. The HUD would also be 547p.

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Screen Capture = 720p

Actual Pixel Ratio of GAMEPLAY = 547p

If the capture was taken from a feed that was compromised, the HUD would also have artifacts. The HUD would also be 547p.

/thread

SquatsAreAwesom

Alan Fake confirmed

[QUOTE="delta3074"]wow, these threads are making me laugh, who cares if alan wake is sub-HD, it still looks georgeous anyway, i cannot understand peoples logic, they seem to think that confirming the game as 540p will actually decrease how good the game looks to people, it's still the same good looking game that it was before this news came to light,skektek

Some are hyping Alan Wake to be the next console graphics king when clearly it is not. The native resolution fiasco is concrete proof (as opposed to subjective opinion) that Alan Wake is less than what it is being trumped up to be.

[QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"]

Screen Capture = 720p

Actual Pixel Ratio of GAMEPLAY = 547p

If the capture was taken from a feed that was compromised, the HUD would also have artifacts. The HUD would also be 547p.

/thread

Vaasman

But the issue here isn't necessarily scaling. The video footage itself was not capped at 720p then downscaled to 540p for online streaming, and the upscaled back up on the user side. The video itself was capped at 960x540 resolution by their capture setup before any scaling happened. In that case, I don't see how the native resolution of the game would be preserved. You have immediate data loss at the raw capture level, before any sort of scaling is going on.

I have seen Quaz say that you can't make judgements based on video footage that wasn't a direct buffergrab. These are not direct buffergrabs.

They have also now pulled the footage from their website(they never got permission from Remedy, nor did they follow any of Remedy's encoding/capture procedures).

Wait until we have a different source before you claim that Remedy is lying.

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

[QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"]

Screen Capture = 720p

Actual Pixel Ratio of GAMEPLAY = 547p

If the capture was taken from a feed that was compromised, the HUD would also have artifacts. The HUD would also be 547p.

/thread

SquatsAreAwesom

You can't do a good pixel count of the HUD because there are no good diagonal edges. It would look just fine even at 960x540.

The screencaptures are direct feed. The issue here is that the direct feed was captured at 960x540, immediately causing data loss BEFORE any scaling went on. It just doesn't happen to be a 1280x720 source.

Quaz51 himself has said in the past that it depends entirely on the source. Video scaling and algorithms like that would not effect the native resolution(because the scaling just adjusts the pixels to fit whatever the video is). However, the capture resolution itself does affect the calculated native resolution because it changes the native resolution of the source, before scaling occurs. He has flat out refused to do pixel counts of certain images because they are based on SD video captures.

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

So Alan Wake....I heard it's going to have loads of DLC.

deleterguy

Highly doubt it. Max Payne 3 is also being made by them.

[QUOTE="deleterguy"][QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

So Alan Wake....I heard it's going to have loads of DLC.

fend_oblivion

Highly doubt it. Max Payne 3 is also being made by them.

[QUOTE="fend_oblivion"]

[QUOTE="deleterguy"] No, the game won't sell enough and remedy games will go bankrupt. :(Anjunaddict

Highly doubt it. Max Payne 3 is also being made by them.

Sorry my bad. I just read Rockstar Vancouver is making it and that MP 3 is going to be the first game in the series to be not made by Remedy.

If I had to wager a guess, it's that the game was downscaled due to using so many shader effects. When the game was originally being designed with PC in mind, they didn't have these kinds of limitations. What we saw back at E3 '05 is what could have been.

I find it ironic that back in '05 Sony was supposedly the ultra faker over the KillZone 2 debacle, meanwhile Microsoft was hatching a "Ballroom Demo" of their own.

[QUOTE="delta3074"]wow, these threads are making me laugh, who cares if alan wake is sub-HD, it still looks georgeous anyway, i cannot understand peoples logic, they seem to think that confirming the game as 540p will actually decrease how good the game looks to people, it's still the same good looking game that it was before this news came to light,skektek

Some are hyping Alan Wake to be the next console graphics king when clearly it is not. The native resolution fiasco is concrete proof (as opposed to subjective opinion) that Alan Wake is less than what it is being trumped up to be.

I wouldn't really say that it was confirmed:

1. Quaz51 (and the rest of the general public) don't have the actual game yet.

2. The official list has not been updated to show such a resolution.

3. Rememdy community manager is claiming the video to have gone through downsampling.

It may be true that the game may turn out to be sub HD, but nothing points to confirmed at this point in time.

opex07

On point 3, Refer to http://forum.alanwake.com/showpost.php?p=67334&postcount=595

BxB402 This is really not Alan Wake support thread.. But we really don't and can't control the resolutions in Alan Wake. We're just pushing 16:9 720p out and the Xbox360 OS handles the rest. The game doesn't even know whether you're connected with HDMI, VGA, Component, Composite and whatever rez you set your 360 to. The setup you describe is not one I've tested but if 360 games typically work on it, I'd expect Wake to work too.

You have Remedy's managing director stating AW is 720p.The community manager is just repeating managing director's statements.

wow, these threads are making me laugh, who cares if alan wake is sub-HD, it still looks georgeous anyway, i cannot understand peoples logic, they seem to think that confirming the game as 540p will actually decrease how good the game looks to people, it's still the same good looking game that it was before this news came to light,delta3074

Some are hyping Alan Wake to be the next console graphics king when clearly it is not. The native resolution fiasco is concrete proof (as opposed to subjective opinion) that Alan Wake is less than what it is being trumped up to be.

if you need someone to point out that it's not HD, then clearly the difference doesn't matter. FeedOnATreeFrog

Probably the smartest post made on this thread.

[QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"][QUOTE="Vaasman"]your post is baseless, The HUD does in fact have artifacts, especially around what I assume is the radar and health meter. They didn't even do a pixel count for the HUD so you are pretty much just going off what you see, unless you do the pixel count yourself.

KingsMessenger

You can't do a good pixel count of the HUD because there are no good diagonal edges. It would look just fine even at 960x540.

The screencaptures are direct feed. The issue here is that the direct feed was captured at 960x540, immediately causing data loss BEFORE any scaling went on. It just doesn't happen to be a 1280x720 source.

Quaz51 himself has said in the past that it depends entirely on the source. Video scaling and algorithms like that would not effect the native resolution(because the scaling just adjusts the pixels to fit whatever the video is). However, the capture resolution itself does affect the calculated native resolution because it changes the native resolution of the source, before scaling occurs. He has flat out refused to do pixel counts of certain images because they are based on SD video captures.

and even if this were true, it's still one of the best looking games of this generation so I don't see why this matters exactly. :|Nedemis

after reading most of these posts, in this thread and in the other (fad) threads, i've come to a simple conclusion: how gives a ----?!?! seriously. most of you are forgetting the fact that the 360 has a hardware scaler built into it that can scale to game to any resolution up to and including 1080p. so what if it isn't native 720. no one who will play the game is going to care, one way or the other. and, yes cows, this game be a contender for console graphics king based on overall quality and effects. and lemmings, stop complaining, you get a great game by a great developer that no other platform is getting. and hermits - what the hell do you care? yu have rigs that can make most games look like N64 games. and sheep: who the hell invited you? all that matters is how the game looks overall and how it's presented. just check out the pictures to see what i mean.

Im just laughing at so many people using ad-hominem arguments against Quaz51 when it has been repeatedly stated that he is a reputable authority on the matter.

Day 1 for me I either way. loved max payne and still mantain that sam lake is one of the best writers in the industry

byge

Hey everybody, your fanboyness is showing! :P

I can clearly see the party lines here. I mean seriously all the lems are out defending it and all the cows are out claiming thee source is credible and the graphics are terrible. Yes, lemmings have been overhyping it, and I do believe the cows just felt threatened by AW. It doesnt matter to me because I dont even plan on getting AW.

I don't care really. Where is mah 1080p plus PC edition, Microsoft?:evil:

I don't care really. Where is mah 1080p plus PC edition, Microsoft?:evil:

harjyotbanwait

they said haha, you put your money in the wrong place. it's a 360 exclusive.

so some guy with grammar issues (even worse than mine) says a sentence, and a handful of cows amplify the message:roll: as if it is 'OMGCONFIRMED'

HavocV3

People will still buy the game regardless its HD or not.But Crysis 2 will destroy AW,UC2,Reach and GOW3 graphically.conistant

People will still buy the game regardless its HD or not.But Crysis 2 will destroy AW,UC2,Reach and GOW3 graphically.conistant

People will still buy the game regardless its HD or not.But Crysis 2 will destroy AW,UC2,Reach and GOW3 graphically.conistant

[QUOTE="conistant"]People will still buy the game regardless its HD or not.But Crysis 2 will destroy AW,UC2,Reach and GOW3 graphically.gamewhat

On topic, Is not that dude making his judgment on a pciture taken from the German website where the pictures are downscaled for their silly hud style gallery? So, how the hell can he know that actual game is that rez?