Albert Penello confirms no dGPU in Xbox One. (Albert tries to clarify specs)

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#1 GravityX
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That settles it then. No secret sauce. misterxmedia proven wrong.

https://twitter.com/albertpenello/status/377210559235514368

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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=673713&page=4

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#2 mitu123
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No one would believe it would have a 2nd gpu!

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#4 GravityX
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No one would believe it would have a 2nd gpu!

mitu123

Yeah, thats just crazy. misterxmedia is going to freak out.

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#5 SaltyMeatballs
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Inferior confirmed.
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#6 Mystery_Writer
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Even Microsoft is saying there is a difference (albeit they have to say "overstated"), but that's just confirms X1 is inferior graphically to PS4 yet more expensive.

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#7 Nike_Air
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Boom. 

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#8 GravityX
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Even Microsoft is saying there is a difference (albeit they have to say "overstated"), but that's just confirms X1 is inferior graphically to PS4 yet more expensive.

Mystery_Writer

I agree that statement is very telling. Kinda of admits X1 is weaker.

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#9 kingtito
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Even Microsoft is saying there is a difference (albeit they have to say "overstated"), but that's just confirms X1 is less capable than PS4 yet more expensive.

Mystery_Writer
That confirms that the differences are negligible and has more features than the PS4. The differences in games will hardly noticeable.
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#10 Spartan070
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Even Microsoft is saying there is a difference (albeit they have to say "overstated"), but that's just confirms X1 is inferior graphically to PS4 yet more expensive.

Mystery_Writer
Well technically it's not more expensive, it just comes bundled with additional hardware. I see what you're saying though :P
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#11 NEWMAHAY
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he acknowledges a difference
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#12 Nonstop-Madness
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no ****. It was a stupid rumor that was built upon nothing less than wishful thinking and incredible speculation.
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Still worried about specs? Are we not past this point yet? The only people who care are the Cows and most of them are trolls. It really isn't a big deal to most people. See the Wii and PS2 as proof.

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[QUOTE="Mystery_Writer"]

Even Microsoft is saying there is a difference (albeit they have to say "overstated"), but that's just confirms X1 is less capable than PS4 yet more expensive.

kingtito

That confirms that the differences are negligible and has more features than the PS4. The differences in games will hardly noticeable.

 

Yeah right on crappy port games or rushware properly code games should run faster period on PS4,and like always exclusive will outshine the xbox one silly.

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I dont think anyone really thought there was going to be a 2nd GPU
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#16 Tighaman
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Still worried about specs? Are we not past this point yet? The only people who care are the Cows and most of them are trolls. It really isn't a big deal to most people. See the Wii and PS2 as proof.

timbers_WSU
dgpu or not im going to say it again MS wouldn't make a retail console a dev kit if it just had a 7790 in it.
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#17 Gargus
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Who the hell was dumb enough to believe there was a secret 2nd gpu that they were hiding in the xbox one?

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no but major nelson said they have Merlin the magical wizard working on the games, he can take a V4 car and make it go 200 mph.

kingoflife9
to be brutally honest, aerodynamics and other components play a key role in getting a car to those speeds, it could be possible with a v4 despite their rare usage in cars but with the right engineering and ideology its totally a possibility. just thought i'd better say that haha, lets face it tune any type of engine to the moon and it can do really mad stuff.
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[QUOTE="timbers_WSU"]

Still worried about specs? Are we not past this point yet? The only people who care are the Cows and most of them are trolls. It really isn't a big deal to most people. See the Wii and PS2 as proof.

Tighaman

dgpu or not im going to say it again MS wouldn't make a retail console a dev kit if it just had a 7790 in it.

 

Those Broken Dreams..

 

:lol:

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[QUOTE="Tighaman"][QUOTE="timbers_WSU"]

Still worried about specs? Are we not past this point yet? The only people who care are the Cows and most of them are trolls. It really isn't a big deal to most people. See the Wii and PS2 as proof.

tormentos

dgpu or not im going to say it again MS wouldn't make a retail console a dev kit if it just had a 7790 in it.

 

Those Broken Dreams..

 

:lol:

Out of everyone here, you are more concerned about what these machines can and cannot do than any 2 people. Your butthurt ass is in every thread involving console power or more importantly games. And you make damn sure any XB1 game regardless of what a preview says is called shit just because of the machine it is on. So you are far and away the most pathetic butthurt troll on the board.........and it's not close.
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#22 GravityX
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[QUOTE="Tighaman"][QUOTE="timbers_WSU"]

Still worried about specs? Are we not past this point yet? The only people who care are the Cows and most of them are trolls. It really isn't a big deal to most people. See the Wii and PS2 as proof.

tormentos

dgpu or not im going to say it again MS wouldn't make a retail console a dev kit if it just had a 7790 in it.

 

Those Broken Dreams..

 

:lol:

Since you are the residing technical expert. Do you think the X1 can off load enough cpu and gpu compute to the 15 special processor to close the gap with the PS4.

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Since you are the residing technical expert. Do you think the X1 can off load enough cpu and gpu compute to the 15 special processor to close the gap with the PS4.GravityX
why are you asking such question to clueless people? :cool: there is intelligent users like ronvalencia to answer your questions.

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[QUOTE="tormentos"]

[QUOTE="Tighaman"]dgpu or not im going to say it again MS wouldn't make a retail console a dev kit if it just had a 7790 in it.timbers_WSU

 

Those Broken Dreams..

 

:lol:

Out of everyone here, you are more concerned about what these machines can and cannot do than any 2 people. Your butthurt ass is in every thread involving console power or more importantly games. And you make damn sure any XB1 game regardless of what a preview says is called shit just because of the machine it is on. So you are far and away the most pathetic butthurt troll on the board.........and it's not close.

Damn! Timbers serving up a dose! Tormentos won't know how to react because specs rant involved. On topic. I'm still one of the idiots that still believe there is a dGPU. It's so damn fun!
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[QUOTE="Tighaman"][QUOTE="timbers_WSU"]

Still worried about specs? Are we not past this point yet? The only people who care are the Cows and most of them are trolls. It really isn't a big deal to most people. See the Wii and PS2 as proof.

tormentos

dgpu or not im going to say it again MS wouldn't make a retail console a dev kit if it just had a 7790 in it.

 

Those Broken Dreams..

 

:lol:

how? anyone with any form of common sense would know early dev kits are rough guidance or have more power in terms of marketing the console in the early days its been like that a while, its common sense. Even R* are doing it right now with GTA V and those bullshots running on PC. Make it more flashy and people buy it, marketing 101.
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LOL... look at my sig
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[QUOTE="tormentos"]

[QUOTE="Tighaman"]dgpu or not im going to say it again MS wouldn't make a retail console a dev kit if it just had a 7790 in it.GravityX

 

Those Broken Dreams..

 

:lol:

Since you are the residing technical expert. Do you think the X1 can off load enough cpu and gpu compute to the 15 special processor to close the gap with the PS4.

Please allow myself to answer yourself. Uhhh, yeah I think so. With enough cloud we can destroy China. That's power.
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#29 tagyhag
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Lol a second GPU. . The X1 will be fine graphics wise like the PS4.....In 30 fps huehuehue.
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[QUOTE="Tighaman"][QUOTE="timbers_WSU"]

Still worried about specs? Are we not past this point yet? The only people who care are the Cows and most of them are trolls. It really isn't a big deal to most people. See the Wii and PS2 as proof.

tormentos

dgpu or not im going to say it again MS wouldn't make a retail console a dev kit if it just had a 7790 in it.

 

Those Broken Dreams..

 

:lol:

not really homie I get no victories from forums but rememer this quote put it as a sig and I bet you will be taken it down before launch.
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LOL... look at my sigdrakekratos
Yep. Between your sig, avatar, and name it is pretty clear you are to be ignored at all cost. I.m sure you here that a lot.
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[QUOTE="tormentos"]

[QUOTE="Tighaman"]dgpu or not im going to say it again MS wouldn't make a retail console a dev kit if it just had a 7790 in it.GravityX

 

Those Broken Dreams..

 

:lol:

Since you are the residing technical expert. Do you think the X1 can off load enough cpu and gpu compute to the 15 special processor to close the gap with the PS4.

 

Dude from those 15 so call processors 8 are for Audio,encoding decoding,is basically nothing and the PS4 has them to hell the PS4 has a second CPU.

 

You just have to compare last gen MS to this new gen MS,they did not need to count EDRAM transistors to make the Xenos look strong it was strong,this gen they are counting even the wires on the controllers in an attent to make the xbox one specs look better.

If you compare the bare APU it will appear as if the xbox one APU carry stronger hardware,based on transistors alone,many people will believe this,problem is the ESRAM has 1.6 billion + those other separate parts as well like audio block,DME and other stuff,they even joing the size of the memory claming 47MB,that even confuse Ronvalencia and he started cla ming 47MB of ESRAM when in fact still is 32 MB and the rest of the memory is CPU and other stuff.

Hell they even talk about the powerful audio block capable of destroying the world,is just 15Gflops and it need to be like this because Kinect was always listening,as well are MS more multimedia aproach.

People here actually believe that the audio block will help the xbox one close the gap.

MS knows there is a sh** ton of morons out there that will eat anything hell sony knows this to,remember 120 FPS 1080p and 4D.?

In order to sell you a console they will say anything.

 

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[QUOTE="drakekratos"]LOL... look at my sigtimbers_WSU
Yep. Between your sig, avatar, and name it is pretty clear you are to be ignored at all cost. I.m sure you here that a lot.

ROFL!!!!!!!!
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Game Over MS

PS4 all the way everyday can't wait 

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#35 FoxbatAlpha
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[QUOTE="GravityX"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

 

Those Broken Dreams..

 

:lol:

tormentos

Since you are the residing technical expert. Do you think the X1 can off load enough cpu and gpu compute to the 15 special processor to close the gap with the PS4.

 

Dude from those 15 so call processors 8 are for Audio,encoding decoding,is basically nothing and the PS4 has them to hell the PS4 has a second CPU.

 

You just have to compare last gen MS to this new gen MS,they did not need to count EDRAM transistors to make the Xenos look strong it was strong,this gen they are counting even the wires on the controllers in an attent to make the xbox one specs look better.

If you compare the bare APU it will appear as if the xbox one APU carry stronger hardware,based on transistors alone,many people will believe this,problem is the ESRAM has 1.6 billion + those other separate parts as well like audio block,DME and other stuff,they even joing the size of the memory claming 47MB,that even confuse Ronvalencia and he started cla ming 47MB of ESRAM when in fact still is 32 MB and the rest of the memory is CPU and other stuff.

Hell they even talk about the powerful audio block capable of destroying the world,is just 15Gflops and it need to be like this because Kinect was always listening,as well are MS more multimedia aproach.

People here actually believe that the audio block will help the xbox one close the gap.

MS knows there is a sh** ton of morons out there that will eat anything hell sony knows this to,remember 120 FPS 1080p and 4D.?

In order to sell you a console they will say anything.

 

I think talking up a audio block and saying 120fps is two totally different things. One is a benefit the other is a lie. You and I remember Budapest very differently.
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[QUOTE="GravityX"]Since you are the residing technical expert. Do you think the X1 can off load enough cpu and gpu compute to the 15 special processor to close the gap with the PS4.Tessellation

why are you asking such question to clueless people? :cool: there is intelligent users like ronvalencia to answer your questions.

Yeah, either one. But I don't need a full tech battle between the two of them.

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[QUOTE="tormentos"]

[QUOTE="Tighaman"]dgpu or not im going to say it again MS wouldn't make a retail console a dev kit if it just had a 7790 in it.razgriz_101

 

Those Broken Dreams..

 

:lol:

how? anyone with any form of common sense would know early dev kits are rough guidance or have more power in terms of marketing the console in the early days its been like that a while, its common sense. Even R* are doing it right now with GTA V and those bullshots running on PC. Make it more flashy and people buy it, marketing 101.

No final kit have final hardware with more ram for debugging nothing more nothing less.
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[QUOTE="Tessellation"]

[QUOTE="GravityX"]Since you are the residing technical expert. Do you think the X1 can off load enough cpu and gpu compute to the 15 special processor to close the gap with the PS4.GravityX

why are you asking such question to clueless people? :cool: there is intelligent users like ronvalencia to answer your questions.

Yeah, either one. But I don't need a full tech battle between the two of them.

Well why listen to tormentos? You already know you are not gonna get an honest answer.
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#39 GravityX
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[QUOTE="GravityX"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

 

Those Broken Dreams..

 

:lol:

tormentos

Since you are the residing technical expert. Do you think the X1 can off load enough cpu and gpu compute to the 15 special processor to close the gap with the PS4.

 

Dude from those 15 so call processors 8 are for Audio,encoding decoding,is basically nothing and the PS4 has them to hell the PS4 has a second CPU.

 

You just have to compare last gen MS to this new gen MS,they did not need to count EDRAM transistors to make the Xenos look strong it was strong,this gen they are counting even the wires on the controllers in an attent to make the xbox one specs look better.

If you compare the bare APU it will appear as if the xbox one APU carry stronger hardware,based on transistors alone,many people will believe this,problem is the ESRAM has 1.6 billion + those other separate parts as well like audio block,DME and other stuff,they even joing the size of the memory claming 47MB,that even confuse Ronvalencia and he started cla ming 47MB of ESRAM when in fact still is 32 MB and the rest of the memory is CPU and other stuff.

Hell they even talk about the powerful audio block capable of destroying the world,is just 15Gflops and it need to be like this because Kinect was always listening,as well are MS more multimedia aproach.

People here actually believe that the audio block will help the xbox one close the gap.

MS knows there is a sh** ton of morons out there that will eat anything hell sony knows this to,remember 120 FPS 1080p and 4D.?

In order to sell you a console they will say anything.

 

Thanks Torm for your technical expertise.

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[QUOTE="GravityX"]

[QUOTE="Tessellation"] why are you asking such question to clueless people? :cool: there is intelligent users like ronvalencia to answer your questions.

timbers_WSU

Yeah, either one. But I don't need a full tech battle between the two of them.

Well why listen to tormentos? You already know you are not gonna get an honest answer.

Well, you never know. He did answer and didn't seem too sarcastic.

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Boom. 

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[QUOTE="razgriz_101"][QUOTE="tormentos"]

 

Those Broken Dreams..

 

:lol:

tormentos
how? anyone with any form of common sense would know early dev kits are rough guidance or have more power in terms of marketing the console in the early days its been like that a while, its common sense. Even R* are doing it right now with GTA V and those bullshots running on PC. Make it more flashy and people buy it, marketing 101.

No final kit have final hardware with more ram for debugging nothing more nothing less.

not exactly, pretty sure the PS3 one had double ram for debug purposes, and the whole broken dreams and laughing arguement was more what i was picking on in that retaliatory post btw seems your a bit too dense to pick up on that not to mention most launch titles will be initially developed on the older kits thus less optimization. cows calling ownage over rumours is a poor show, much like the lemmings do and well....Kbfloyd and the Wii U in Poland cause it doesnt matter supposidly.
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[QUOTE="Tessellation"]

[QUOTE="GravityX"]Since you are the residing technical expert. Do you think the X1 can off load enough cpu and gpu compute to the 15 special processor to close the gap with the PS4.GravityX

why are you asking such question to clueless people? :cool: there is intelligent users like ronvalencia to answer your questions.

Yeah, either one. But I don't need a full tech battle between the two of them.

John Sell, Xbox One chip architect : ''The graphics section of the main processor has 15 special processors that can handle things like graphics or physics processing.'' http://venturebeat.com/2013/08/26/microsoft-disclosed-details-for-the-main-processor-and-the-kinect-image-processor-in-the-xbox-one-video-game-console-today-at-a-chip-design-conference-those-details-are-critical-for-the-kind-of-expe/#GV4P2E25bba0ycq8.99
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[QUOTE="GravityX"]

[QUOTE="Tessellation"] why are you asking such question to clueless people? :cool: there is intelligent users like ronvalencia to answer your questions.

Tessellation

Yeah, either one. But I don't need a full tech battle between the two of them.

John Sell, Xbox One chip architect :

''The graphics section of the main processor has 15 special processors that can handle things like graphics or physics processing.''

http://venturebeat.com/2013/08/26/microsoft-disclosed-details-for-the-main-processor-and-the-kinect-image-processor-in-the-xbox-one-video-game-console-today-at-a-chip-design-conference-those-details-are-critical-for-the-kind-of-expe/#GV4P2E25bba0ycq8.99

So do we know if all spp's offload graphics and physics or just a couple? Torm said 8 are for Audio, which seems reduntant if the X1 has SHAPE?

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#46 moistsandwich
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[QUOTE="Mystery_Writer"]

Even Microsoft is saying there is a difference (albeit they have to say "overstated"), but that's just confirms X1 is inferior graphically to PS4 yet more expensive.

Spartan070

Well technically it's not more expensive, it just comes bundled with additional hardware. I see what you're saying though :P

Not according to anyone else... not even MS.... It's all just 1 thing that costs $500 as far as MS is concerned... their words, not mine. So yes, it is more expensive. It's not like you have the option to buy an X1 without Kinect.

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[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="razgriz_101"] how? anyone with any form of common sense would know early dev kits are rough guidance or have more power in terms of marketing the console in the early days its been like that a while, its common sense. Even R* are doing it right now with GTA V and those bullshots running on PC. Make it more flashy and people buy it, marketing 101.razgriz_101
No final kit have final hardware with more ram for debugging nothing more nothing less.

not exactly, pretty sure the PS3 one had double ram for debug purposes, and the whole broken dreams and laughing arguement was more what i was picking on in that retaliatory post btw seems your a bit too dense to pick up on that not to mention most launch titles will be initially developed on the older kits thus less optimization. cows calling ownage over rumours is a poor show, much like the lemmings do and well....Kbfloyd and the Wii U in Poland cause it doesnt matter supposidly.

poland doesn't matter but it does show the low appeal for the wiiu.

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I think talking up a audio block and saying 120fps is two totally different things. One is a benefit the other is a lie. You and I remember Budapest very differently.FoxbatAlpha
Really how the PS3 could run games at 120FPS but not PS3 games. Also the PS4 has an audio block and doesn't have a mandatory camera that eat part of those resources.

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I'll give the guy credit... Coming out and telling us how gimp his system is. But he loses a point for saying the gap isn't going to be that big.

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#50 Tessellation
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[QUOTE="Tessellation"]

[QUOTE="GravityX"]

Yeah, either one. But I don't need a full tech battle between the two of them.

GravityX

John Sell, Xbox One chip architect :

''The graphics section of the main processor has 15 special processors that can handle things like graphics or physics processing.''

http://venturebeat.com/2013/08/26/microsoft-disclosed-details-for-the-main-processor-and-the-kinect-image-processor-in-the-xbox-one-video-game-console-today-at-a-chip-design-conference-those-details-are-critical-for-the-kind-of-expe/#GV4P2E25bba0ycq8.99

So do we know if all spp's offload graphics and physics or just a couple? Torm said 8 are for Audio, which seems reduntant if the X1 has SHAPE?

don't believe misinformed forum nobodies like the likes of gamespot and neogaf that have personal agendas,if you want honest answer Beyond3D is for you,shape offloads 1 entire core of the xbox one,that 8 is just semiaccurate speculations.