All I hear about is how amazing next gen's graphics will be. What about Wii U?

I'm lolling at the ppl who think the Samaritan demo will run on any current or future console in its current form. ESPECIALLY on the WiiU. Optimization doesn't always mean make the code better. Sometimes ridding a game of something for performance is considered optimization. The only way the Samaritan demo would run on any future console would be if they dumbed down(optimized in this case) alot of the assets. If you think a next gen console will be sporting something like a 580 or a 6970 u need to rethink ur expectations.

[QUOTE="15strong"]

"Right. I know. I am not arguing that PC hardware isn't next gen. You yourself just stated that PC's aren't in the next gen yet when it comes to software. The samartian demo is a prediction on what next gen consoles could be. It is a justified indicator on what might be coming next gen. And you also stated that no PC game can match the samartian demo. Thus stating that PC isn't in the next gen if we use Epic's predictions, which happens to be the only indicator we have right now to make a valid prediction."

I am using the Next gen unreal engine as an estimation of what next gen might be like. If that is the case for next gen, thes yes, console games will run games with the scale of shogun 2. You can say what you want but at least I am making a valid prediction with what is presented by the next gen unreal engine. I am not just hypothesizing randomly.

slimjimbadboy

So my question to you is, was the samartian tech demo shown from a crystal ball? I'm not going to judge the abilities of next gen consoles until I see spec's to go along with the price tag.But, if it takes a decent PC to play iCEnhance, I have my doubt's next gen consoles will play current gen PC games.

Nope, no crystal ball. Epic games even says so.

Interview on Unreal Engine, Next Gen (Please Read)

The Samaritan demo got everyone talking about next-gen – if Microsoft or Sony announced a new console tomorrow, would Unreal Engine be ready to build games for it?

AW: If you look at the curve of hardware improvement over time, there's a kind of fuzzy target with which you go 'well we should be able to do something like this'. The Samaritan demo was us going by what we'd like to have and what we think is possible if console manufacturers are willing to go for that target as well – this is what we'd be thrilled to be able to make from a quality standpoint with a certain minimum spec. Now whether the hardware manufacturers are going to go for that? We have no idea.We have no idea what the next generation of consoles is going to be yet.

Once we do know then we'll start making concrete plans. But right now, we're going based on our gut telling us this is what we can do, let's put it out there and hopefully influence a few people that make the decisions in terms of what the consoles are going to be. Unfortunately we don't have a crystal ball. We can't look and see what it's going to be. That said, Unreal Engine's going to continue to support the latest and greatest as it becomes available, so we will have an engine that will perform on the next-generation of consoles when it make sense for us to have it ready.

In reagard to DX11:

Is DirectX 11 leading the way for next-gen consoles?

MG: The past would tell you that that's the case wouldn't it? That always seems to be pretty much how it goes. But we have no other insight into what anyone's planning other than what we would like.

I'm lolling at the ppl who think the Samaritan demo will run on any current or future console in its current form. ESPECIALLY on the WiiU. Optimization doesn't always mean make the code better. Sometimes ridding a game of something for performance is considered optimization. The only way the Samaritan demo would run on any future console would be if they dumbed down(optimized in this case) alot of the assets. If you think a next gen console will be sporting something like a 580 or a 6970 u need to rethink ur expectations.

painguy1

Please read the post below you. They do not know what next gen will be, but those are the professionals speaking.

[QUOTE="Squall18"]

Sure the Wii U will have ytrpretty decent graphics, but if rumors are true (such as Square Enix's comments on next gen graphics here), then the Wii U to me lost a lot of interest.

Amyone else concerned about the Wii U? Or am I just a farting shennanigan?

AmazonTreeBoa

There is so much lunacy being being stated here my head is spinning.

The next gen is coming. The Wii U is the beginning of this next gen. To deny it is to say that dog + car = peanut butter. And the Wii U will be a significantly powerful system. Whichever of all the systems comes out more powerful and which comes out the least powerful, they are still all going to be more capable than the current gen and the bottom line is that that is all that matters. I say why not accept it, enjoy it, and be excited the next gen is upon us in only one year.

[QUOTE="painguy1"]

I'm lolling at the ppl who think the Samaritan demo will run on any current or future console in its current form. ESPECIALLY on the WiiU. Optimization doesn't always mean make the code better. Sometimes ridding a game of something for performance is considered optimization. The only way the Samaritan demo would run on any future console would be if they dumbed down(optimized in this case) alot of the assets. If you think a next gen console will be sporting something like a 580 or a 6970 u need to rethink ur expectations.

15strong

Please read the post below you. They do not know what next gen will be, but those are the professionals speaking.

It doesn't matter if they know what's in the next gen consoles. The fact of the matter is that something on the level of a 580 in a box the size of the 360 would end up disastrous. It would be worsethan the RROD situation. It consumes too much power & generates too much heat. Im sure the devs know that & wouldnt expect such hardware in a console.

All these people saying claiming they dont care about graphics are fooling themselves only, if that was really the case then why not go back to text based games from the 8bit era with no graphics at all and be done with all this silly realism, HDTV's and 7 channel digital surround sound. No i didnt think so.

Graphics play a huge part of any game and i dont care who u are the very first thing u notice about a game is how it looks and your interest in the game goes from there whether u decide u do or dont like it, anyone that claims otherwise is simply lying to themselves.

I absolutely love technology and cant wait to see what the next gen throws up, i hope the graphics are truly stunning state of the art examples of what we can do when we put our minds to it.

Nope, no crystal ball. Epic games even says so.

15strong

You missed my point entirely. The demo of next gen for consoles was shown on current gen PC.

As I said before, I cannot judge what console games will look like, but won't the samartian demo that showcases advanced Physx be complicated to achieve on AMD focused hardware?

Wii U looks ok. I'm sorta dissapointed Nintendo made another Console with a gimmicky controller as the main attraction. But if the games are good like some of the Wii games were then it could be good.

The Wii U is dead in the water,. Nintendo and its ways will finally catch uo to it this next wave. The 3DS has already been surpassed by phones. If Sony and Microsoft announce new hardware before the Wii U launch then Nintendo will be in a world of trouble. Actually, I think the hardcore gamer alreay knows they do not want it and the casuals either have never heard of it, thinks it is an upgrade like the wii wheel, or simply is over games already.It still does not have DVD or CD playback. Come on. Really? My modded Wii plays CD and DVD. These things cost nothing to put into a system.

Another thing is plenty of Nintendo titles did not hit sales expectations on the Wii. Series fatigue may very well be setting in. And Nintendo proved with the Wii that they are capable of bringing out new franchises that people care about. Wii music? Wii fit? Wii sports? Wii Play?

Wii U will not even pass the Gamecube in sales in one of the other companies decides to release next year.

The Wii U is dead in the water,. Nintendo and its ways will finally catch uo to it this next wave. The 3DS has already been surpassed by phones. If Sony and Microsoft announce new hardware before the Wii U launch then Nintendo will be in a world of trouble. Actually, I think the hardcore gamer alreay knows they do not want it and the casuals either have never heard of it, thinks it is an upgrade like the wii wheel, or simply is over games already.It still does not have DVD or CD playback. Come on. Really? My modded Wii plays CD and DVD. These things cost nothing to put into a system.

Another thing is plenty of Nintendo titles did not hit sales expectations on the Wii. Series fatigue may very well be setting in. And Nintendo proved with the Wii that they are capable of bringing out new franchises that people care about. Wii music? Wii fit? Wii sports? Wii Play?

Wii U will not even pass the Gamecube in sales in one of the other companies decides to release next year.

WarTornRuston

...what? This is still implies Sony or Microsoft are both going with the powerhouse route, which neither seem to be intent on doing. And Nintendo and their ways? They went casual for one Gen. And they always sell at a profit. There is something extremely evil about that.

All these people saying claiming they dont care about graphics are fooling themselves only, if that was really the case then why not go back to text based games from the 8bit era with no graphics at all and be done with all this silly realism, HDTV's and 7 channel digital surround sound. No i didnt think so.

Graphics play a huge part of any game and i dont care who u are the very first thing u notice about a game is how it looks and your interest in the game goes from there whether u decide u do or dont like it, anyone that claims otherwise is simply lying to themselves.

I absolutely love technology and cant wait to see what the next gen throws up, i hope the graphics are truly stunning state of the art examples of what we can do when we put our minds to it.

l34052

I'm not downplaying Nintendos methods though I personally don't think the WiiU will be all that powerful, but they are changing the way we interact with games, which I think is equally important in terms of progression. The controller and even the mouse and keyboard I think can be improved on massively, and companies playing around with new methods can only be a good thing. It will be interesting to see what the WiiU controller can bring to the table. I do hope at least one company goes down the powerful graphical route though just so we have one company finding new ways to interact with games and one who are catering the latest software advances.

You should definitely be concerned. The WiiU is no leap, its a baby step. RR360DD

The Wii U totally blows away the 360, no competition at all.

PS3 it also wrecks, at least in GPU power. No idea about CPU though.

[QUOTE="Squall18"]

Sure the Wii U will have ytrpretty decent graphics, but if rumors are true (such as Square Enix's comments on next gen graphics here), then the Wii U to me lost a lot of interest.

Amyone else concerned about the Wii U? Or am I just a farting shennanigan?

AmazonTreeBoa

Thats your presumption that has no factual basis. According to the rumors we are hearing about Wii U and next Xbox (Bulldozer APU with AMD Radeon 5700ish CPU), Wii U will have about the same graphical power.

[QUOTE="thedude-"] If you are too fixated on hardware performance, then yes it is a baby step.ZombieKiller7

Input methods (i.e. touchscreen on your controller).

Graphic leaps aren't going to be as big as they were in previous gens.

Everyone always says that before the new machines drop then BAM!!! the new consoles are here and graphics have hugely improved overnight, i see the next generation being no different and personally i cant wait for it.

Should WIIU even be considered the "next-gen" after all that term DID mean hardware upgrades... now folks want to throw in innovation to what next gen means...this "innovation" used to be called "GIMMICKS"

i cant wait to MS and SOny detail their system and its only 20& stronger then the wiiu lmao

Should WIIU even be considered the "next-gen" after all that term DID mean hardware upgrades... now folks want to throw in innovation to what next gen means...this "innovation" used to be called "GIMMICKS"

Infinite_Access

Gimmicks are great. Without them, you would be gaming on this:

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]

[QUOTE="Squall18"]

Sure the Wii U will have ytrpretty decent graphics, but if rumors are true (such as Square Enix's comments on next gen graphics here), then the Wii U to me lost a lot of interest.

Amyone else concerned about the Wii U? Or am I just a farting shennanigan?

BlbecekBobecek

Thats your presumption that has no factual basis. According to the rumors we are hearing about Wii U and next Xbox (Bulldozer APU with AMD Radeon 5700ish CPU), Wii U will have about the same graphical power.

[QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"]

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]The Wii U is next gen's Wii. Meaning it will be underpowered compared to Sony and Microsoft's consoles. I don't even consider the Wii U next gen. More like it is about time Nintendo caught up to current gen.

AmazonTreeBoa

Thats your presumption that has no factual basis. According to the rumors we are hearing about Wii U and next Xbox (Bulldozer APU with AMD Radeon 5700ish CPU), Wii U will have about the same graphical power.

hmm yeah, using your historical data is actually even less reliable than the afformentioned rumors of wii u's spec, considering historically nintendo has only released only 1 under powered system. lol

[QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"]

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]The Wii U is next gen's Wii. Meaning it will be underpowered compared to Sony and Microsoft's consoles. I don't even consider the Wii U next gen. More like it is about time Nintendo caught up to current gen.

AmazonTreeBoa

Thats your presumption that has no factual basis. According to the rumors we are hearing about Wii U and next Xbox (Bulldozer APU with AMD Radeon 5700ish CPU), Wii U will have about the same graphical power.

What history do you mean? Wii is the only Nintendo console that wasnt up there with the most powerful of their generation - and thats because it was marketed in a completely different way. Wii U is marketed as a core gamers platform again and its completely silly to expect it being another Wii of its generation.

Rumors is all we have right now and (as a Nintendo representative said) there is no smoke without fire.

Also its hard fact that your presumption about Wii U being Wii of next gen (aside from being silly) has no factual basis.

Wii U looks ok. I'm sorta dissapointed Nintendo made another Console with a gimmicky controller as the main attraction. But if the games are good like some of the Wii games were then it could be good.

Puckhog04

Should WIIU even be considered the "next-gen" after all that term DID mean hardware upgrades... now folks want to throw in innovation to what next gen means...this "innovation" used to be called "GIMMICKS"

Infinite_Access

Does anybody have a link to some of the WiiU tech demos in high resolution? I remember seeing a bird flying around, but I've heard there were others that weren't shown in the E3 thing.

I couldn't care less about graphics.

The Wii U is on par with the PS3 Xbox 360. That Miyamoto guy (Mario and Zelda creator) already said the Wii U won't outpreform its rivals by a whole lot. I don't know what people are expecting I mean its Nintendo. There 5 years behind the other 2. Its only a 2 system race now Nintendo is staying outta the way. We seen what the Wii U's graphics are for 5-6 years already with the ps3 and 360.

The Wii U is on par with the PS3 Xbox 360. That Miyamoto guy (Mario and Zelda creator) already said the Wii U won't outpreform its rivals by a whole lot. I don't know what people are expecting I mean its Nintendo. There 5 years behind the other 2. Its only a 2 system race now Nintendo is staying outta the way. We seen what the Wii U's graphics are for 5-6 years already with the ps3 and 360.

EABGamer

The console's powerful hasn't been fully revealed yet. I wouldn't take anyone's word about the WiiU's power yet.

[QUOTE="15strong"]

[QUOTE="sami117"]

If you want next gen graphics look at some of the stuff on pc right now...

ferret-gamer

I guess that means next gen won't be that amazing then.

No?I have to disagree

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSXyztq_0uM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfGIs-NiX-g

AMD's raytracing/voxel Ruby demo for RV770 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aT37b2QjkZc

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]You should definitely be concerned. The WiiU is no leap, its a baby step. scoots9

The Wii U totally blows away the 360, no competition at all.

PS3 it also wrecks, at least in GPU power. No idea about CPU though.

AMD RV730 destroys NVIDIA RSX/G7x.

AMD RV730 destroys IBM's PS3 CELL in Fold @ Home.

apparently nintys aim isnt for heavy hitting graphics anymore. up until the wii nintys always been the (or one of) leader in the graphics department. im not sure what changed but i wish they would go back to the.....well, i dunno, nintys always led by the beat of their own drum.slvrraven9

I'm seems like the reports of how powerful the WiiU is are all over the place. I wouldn;t be surprise if the WiiU ended up being a pretty powerful console.

Considering the size of the Wii U (yes it is quite big), and what the Wii U demos have shown us, which were extremely rushed made with early dev kits, I'm pretty sure the Wii U will be far more powerful than current consoles.

theuncharted34

[QUOTE="15strong"]

[QUOTE="sami117"]

If you want next gen graphics look at some of the stuff on pc right now...

I guess that means next gen won't be that amazing then.

No?I have to disagree

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSXyztq_0uM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfGIs-NiX-g

I wonder if the next line of consoles will continue to sacrifice resolution and framerate to accommodate better graphics.

What matters more to me is 60fps and not a blurry mess.

People didn't seem to complain about the PS2 having the worst graphics last gen. Funny how a Nintendo console gets a totally different treatment, despite the strong likelihood that it will be very similar in terms of market penetration and developer support.foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="15strong"]

I guess that means next gen won't be that amazing then.

No?I have to disagree

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSXyztq_0uM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfGIs-NiX-g

Having a sweet PC makes me not worry about what kind of graphics consoles have. Just buy the games and enjoy the gameplay.

[QUOTE="slvrraven9"]apparently nintys aim isnt for heavy hitting graphics anymore. up until the wii nintys always been the (or one of) leader in the graphics department. im not sure what changed but i wish they would go back to the.....well, i dunno, nintys always led by the beat of their own drum.super600

I'm seems like the reports of how powerful the WiiU is are all over the place. I wouldn;t be surprise if the WiiU ended up being a pretty powerful console.

[QUOTE="slvrraven9"][QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]

No?I have to disagree

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSXyztq_0uM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfGIs-NiX-g

wis3boi

well maybe well get lucky and theyll figure out some way to be artsy with what they have at the time...possibly finesse something "comparable" to whats shown in the samaritan.

I'm not concerned about the WiiU. If I actually thought I was going to be good, maybe I'd be concerned. But, I've never held any hope for Nintenderp's next console.C_Rule

[QUOTE="wis3boi"][QUOTE="slvrraven9"] this is the demo i was looking to show! if this is IN GAME, non cutscene graphics, then next gen will be awesome.....i cant friggin wait...slvrraven9

well maybe well get lucky and theyll figure out some way to be artsy with what they have at the time...possibly finesse something "comparable" to whats shown in the samaritan.

[QUOTE="ABCarmine"]

am I the only one who doesn't give diddly squat about graphics? Conker and Farenheit/Indigo Prophecy are some of my favorite games, Much more enjoyable than Crysis 2 and GTA 4 With Graphics enhancor...

sami117

If you want next gen graphics look at some of the stuff on pc right now...