ALL READ. Is there a such word as "Console Exclusive".

i dont really get it...ps3 wii 360 alll consoles right but no such thing as a console exvlusive? if there was a forum called console wars would the pc be included?BillGates_Money

[QUOTE="BillGates_Money"]i dont really get it...ps3 wii 360 alll consoles right but no such thing as a console exvlusive? if there was a forum called console wars would the pc be included?GarchomPro

yeah i hear you on that..there are such things as platform, system and consoles there is no denying that..but when we are talking about consoles why cant someone say its a console exclusive?

[QUOTE="GarchomPro"][QUOTE="BillGates_Money"]i dont really get it...ps3 wii 360 alll consoles right but no such thing as a console exvlusive? if there was a forum called console wars would the pc be included?BillGates_Money

yeah i hear you on that..there are such things as platform, system and consoles there is no denying that..but when we are talking about consoles why cant someone say its a console exclusive?

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="EntwineX"]*cough* lemming damage control *cough*
GarchomPro

*looks at ut3 and also remembers haze*

that's why i said "remembers haze". they were both games that some cows called console exclusive for whatever reason.

if it were console wars than gears would be exclusive, however its SYSTEM wars so gears of war is not exclusive, system includes everything, consoles, PC´s, Cellphones, you, digital tic-tac-toe´s you name itstika

Gears of War IS exclusive.

[QUOTE="Deihmos"][QUOTE="xscrapzx"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]you guys just need to find a better term than "console exclusive". saying "console exclusive" usually goes hand in hand with ignoring one of the competition to make one system look better.xscrapzx

Well I mean thats whole point in the system wars right. What is wrong with console exclusive? Lets say you are comparing PS3 V.S. 360. You then say well 360 has gears which is console exclusive because you can't get it on the PS3. I think that should be a valid argument, because it is a FACT that you can get gears on one "console" that being a 360.

I think there is a sticky that states you got to include the PC in everything. I find it weird but that is how it is. It's not console wars but system wars.

Yes there is a sticky that says you have to, but not when you are comparing console v.s. console, then the PC is not including in that debate. Why you ask? Because PC is not a console. If I was to compare what systems have what exclusives then I would have to include the PC because I am comparing all systems.

The sticky actually says this is not a console vs console board.

[QUOTE="GarchomPro"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="EntwineX"]*cough* lemming damage control *cough*
CaseyWegner

*looks at ut3 and also remembers haze*

that's why i said "remembers haze". they were both games that some cows called console exclusive for whatever reason.

[QUOTE="stika"]if it were console wars than gears would be exclusive, however its SYSTEM wars so gears of war is not exclusive, system includes everything, consoles, PC´s, Cellphones, you, digital tic-tac-toe´s you name itTripleXAlexXx

Gears of War IS exclusive.

[QUOTE="GarchomPro"][QUOTE="BillGates_Money"]i dont really get it...ps3 wii 360 alll consoles right but no such thing as a console exvlusive? if there was a forum called console wars would the pc be included?BillGates_Money

yeah i hear you on that..there are such things as platform, system and consoles there is no denying that..but when we are talking about consoles why cant someone say its a console exclusive?

[QUOTE="TripleXAlexXx"]

[QUOTE="stika"]if it were console wars than gears would be exclusive, however its SYSTEM wars so gears of war is not exclusive, system includes everything, consoles, PC´s, Cellphones, you, digital tic-tac-toe´s you name itGarchomPro

Gears of War IS exclusive.

Yeah, but until then it's exclusive....

[QUOTE="BillGates_Money"]

[QUOTE="GarchomPro"][QUOTE="BillGates_Money"]i dont really get it...ps3 wii 360 alll consoles right but no such thing as a console exvlusive? if there was a forum called console wars would the pc be included?Vandalvideo

yeah i hear you on that..there are such things as platform, system and consoles there is no denying that..but when we are talking about consoles why cant someone say its a console exclusive?

The PC isn't a video game console.... The PC is.. uh... a personal computer. Gaming (as in the way WE play games) is probably close to last thingthe majority of PC owners do with their PCs.

The PS3 isn't a photo-viewing device, is it? No. It has that feature, but it's core and sole purpose is gaming. That's why it's a video game console. And don't try to get around this with your "clever" psychology, very abstract ideas,and never giving up the arguement and admiting someone else has a point or is right.

The PC isn't a video game console.... The PC is.. uh... a personal computer. Gaming (as in the way WE play games) is probably close to last thingthe majority of PC owners do with their PCs. The PS3 isn't a photo-viewing device, is it? No. It has that feature, but it's core and sole purpose is gaming. That's why it's a video game console. And don't try to get around this with your "clever" psychology, very abstract ideas,and never giving up the arguement and admiting someone else has a point or is right. TripleXAlexXx

The PC isn't a video game console.... The PC is.. uh... a personal computer. Gaming (as in the way WE play games) is probably close to last thingthe majority of PC owners do with their PCs.

The PS3 isn't a photo-viewing device, is it? No. It has that feature, but it's core and sole purpose is gaming. That's why it's a video game console. And don't try to get around this with your "clever" psychology, very abstract ideas,and never giving up the arguement and admiting someone else has a point or is right.

TripleXAlexXx

You do realize that even if the majority of PCs arent used for gaming, more people use their PC for gaming than the amount of Wii, PS3, and 360 owners combined. Does that mean we should completely forget all current gen consoles because its such a pathetic number by comparison?

[QUOTE="GarchomPro"][QUOTE="TripleXAlexXx"]

[QUOTE="stika"]if it were console wars than gears would be exclusive, however its SYSTEM wars so gears of war is not exclusive, system includes everything, consoles, PC´s, Cellphones, you, digital tic-tac-toe´s you name itTripleXAlexXx

Gears of War IS exclusive.

Yeah, but until then it's exclusive....

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"][QUOTE="Deihmos"][QUOTE="xscrapzx"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]you guys just need to find a better term than "console exclusive". saying "console exclusive" usually goes hand in hand with ignoring one of the competition to make one system look better.GarchomPro

Well I mean thats whole point in the system wars right. What is wrong with console exclusive? Lets say you are comparing PS3 V.S. 360. You then say well 360 has gears which is console exclusive because you can't get it on the PS3. I think that should be a valid argument, because it is a FACT that you can get gears on one "console" that being a 360.

I think there is a sticky that states you got to include the PC in everything. I find it weird but that is how it is. It's not console wars but system wars.

Yes there is a sticky that says you have to, but not when you are comparing console v.s. console, then the PC is not including in that debate. Why you ask? Because PC is not a console. If I was to compare what systems have what exclusives then I would have to include the PC because I am comparing all systems.

Thats true and I'm disagreeing with that point. I just saying that if I was to compar TWO CONSOLES OR POSSIBLY THREE CONSOLES the argument with the PC is mute because I'm not comparing system to system.

[QUOTE="TripleXAlexXx"][QUOTE="GarchomPro"][QUOTE="TripleXAlexXx"]

[QUOTE="stika"]if it were console wars than gears would be exclusive, however its SYSTEM wars so gears of war is not exclusive, system includes everything, consoles, PC´s, Cellphones, you, digital tic-tac-toe´s you name itGarchomPro

Gears of War IS exclusive.

Yeah, but until then it's exclusive....

Its not timed. It was never timed. It was just announced that it was going to PC, if when it came out for the 360 and it stated at the same time that it would come out for the PC in 08 or at a later time then it would be considered timed. It was never announced for PC, just recently it was.

Its not timed. It was never timed. It was just announced that it was going to PC, if when it came out for the 360 and it stated at the same time that it would come out for the PC in 08 or at a later time then it would be considered timed. It was never announced for PC, just recently it was. xscrapzx

[QUOTE="TripleXAlexXx"]The PC isn't a video game console.... The PC is.. uh... a personal computer. Gaming (as in the way WE play games) is probably close to last thingthe majority of PC owners do with their PCs. The PS3 isn't a photo-viewing device, is it? No. It has that feature, but it's core and sole purpose is gaming. That's why it's a video game console. And don't try to get around this with your "clever" psychology, very abstract ideas,and never giving up the arguement and admiting someone else has a point or is right. Vandalvideo

"Because its such an empty statement. While technically and pratically true, it holds little to no merit. The PC is a video gaming console, and can be used as an alternative. That in an of itself ultimately negates what you're trying to do with the term "console exclusive". Its not longer an exclusive titles, and can be had elsewhere."

No, I didn't quite get it.

[QUOTE="BillGates_Money"]

[QUOTE="GarchomPro"][QUOTE="BillGates_Money"]i dont really get it...ps3 wii 360 alll consoles right but no such thing as a console exvlusive? if there was a forum called console wars would the pc be included?Vandalvideo

yeah i hear you on that..there are such things as platform, system and consoles there is no denying that..but when we are talking about consoles why cant someone say its a console exclusive?

A PC is a personal computer first. wii is a gaming console 1st they are different. So i understand if a game is on the wii anfd it could be polayted on the pc then its no longer an exclusive to all systems..but if it cant be found on another console like pps3 or 360 where is the harm to say its a console exclusive? there is a difference between exclusive and console exclusive

No, I didn't quite get it.TripleXAlexXx

A PC is a personal computer first. wii is a gaming console 1st they are different. So i understand if a game is on the wii anfd it could be polayted on the pc then its no longer an exclusive to all systems..but if it cant be found on another console like pps3 or 360 where is the harm to say its a console exclusive? there is a difference between exclusive and console exclusive BillGates_Money

[QUOTE="BillGates_Money"]A PC is a personal computer first. wii is a gaming console 1st they are different. So i understand if a game is on the wii anfd it could be polayted on the pc then its no longer an exclusive to all systems..but if it cant be found on another console like pps3 or 360 where is the harm to say its a console exclusive? there is a difference between exclusive and console exclusive Vandalvideo

yes it is simple as that...its multipatform but it isnt multi console

yes it is simple as that...its multipatform but it isnt multi consoleBillGates_Money

This needs to stop.

We cannot speak of exclusivity and multi-platform titles under a single definition of those terms. If the 360 loses a game to the PC, that game still cannot be played on PS3 and Wii, and is therefore not truely multi-plat.

I prefer to call PC/360 games "semi-plat". Let's think of this logically. Is the 360 truely competing with gaming PCs? I propose it isn't. In fact, I believe the vast majority of people who are about to buy a console in a game's store don't even consider the option to get a PC *instead* of the 360. If they already own a PC, that same majority still consider console games as a seperate entity. What I'm trying to say is that the Xbox 360 is not competing as aggresively for market share with the PC as they are with Sony/Nintendo. Analysts will consider market share for video games as split between the 360/Wii/PS3, and rarely do you find one including the PC in that pie chart - why? Because most people only care about console exclusivity. A game becoming semi-plat with the PC *ONLY* matters here on system wars. Outside of here, it's an non-factor.

Whereas if a game like FF13 goes multiplat (just for example), you actually have a "minus" for Sony because it is directly affected financially by this action. Console exclusivity is much more important to video game execs than a game becoming semi-plat is. As to which is more important for a gamer, it depends on what kind of gamer we're talking about and what platforms they are comparing.

Exclusivity is much more complex than just "this game appears on more than one platform, multi-plat." How many more platforms does it appear on? Which does it appear on? Why does it matter if a 360 game is semi-plat if it still isn't going to the PS3/Wii? By any modicum of logic no cows can say "bioshock is multiplat lol lems owned" because cows don't actually gain any advantage from it being semi-plat. The only people who can call semi-plats for what they are is hermits, who directly gain from the 360 ports.

If I'm considering 360 vs PS3, bioshock is exclusive. Halo 3 is exclusive. gears of war is exclusive. Bottom Line, it depends on what two consoles you're comparing and what options the customer is looking at. If I want to consider the PC, then the games are multi-plat.

If the 360 loses a game to the PC, that game still cannot be played on PS3 and Wii, and is therefore not truely multi-plat. I prefer to call PC/360 games "semi-plat". _Impmacaque_

[QUOTE="_Impmacaque_"]If the 360 loses a game to the PC, that game still cannot be played on PS3 and Wii, and is therefore not truely multi-plat. I prefer to call PC/360 games "semi-plat". Vandalvideo

Read the rest of my argument please. For purposes of system wars, multi-plat is a label that only matters in the context of an argument.

If you're considering PS3 vs. 360, Bioshock, Gears, and Halo are all exclusive because they only appear on one of those consoles. Unlike last-gen, most "multi-plat" games do not actually appear on all the platforms, and therefore we cannot use the term "multi-plat" because the games are only *technically* multi-plat (that is, in the sense of the word multi-plat)

Here on system wars the term multi-plat carries a history of implications that the game appears on all the available consoles, and it is being tossed around by cows, sheep, and lemmings as a "minus" for any console which has games that are "semi-plat". It isn't a minus unless it also appears on your console, imo.

Read the rest of my argument please. For purposes of system wars, multi-plat is a label that only matters in the context of an argument.If you're considering PS3 vs. 360, Bioshock, Gears, and Halo are all exclusive because they only appear on one of those consoles._Impmacaque_

[QUOTE="_Impmacaque_"]Read the rest of my argument please. For purposes of system wars, multi-plat is a label that only matters in the context of an argument.If you're considering PS3 vs. 360, Bioshock, Gears, and Halo are all exclusive because they only appear on one of those consoles.Vandalvideo

At least *try* and think about my point before you attack it.

You're a hermit. This doesn't concern you really because I've already admitted that a game that appears on more than one console is multi-plat by the definition of the term "multi-plat". HOWEVER. Not all multi-plats appear on the same amount of consoles. Not all multi-plats matter as much as others.

YOU'RE denying the reality of the issue by falling back on historic connotations of the term. I'm proposing, quite simply, that a cow shouldn't be able to use the fact that Bioshock, gears, and Halo are multi-plat because those titles don't appear on the PS3. It isn't a minus for the 360 in the context of the argument because the PC is a non-factor.

Gears going to PC does not help the PS3 sell any more systems.

FF13 going totally multi-plat is a severe minus for the PS3.

In both scenarios, a game is becoming multi-plat, but the effect is much more significant in the latter scenario. Multi-plats are not created equal.

YOU'RE denying the reality of the issue by falling back on historic connotations of the term. I'm proposing, quite simply, that a cow shouldn't be able to use the fact that Bioshock, gears, and Halo are multi-plat because those titles don't appear on the PS3. It isn't a minus for the 360 in the context of the argument because the PC is a non-factor. _Impmacaque_

This needs to stop.

We cannot speak of exclusivity and multi-platform titles under a single definition of those terms. If the 360 loses a game to the PC, that game still cannot be played on PS3 and Wii, and is therefore not truely multi-plat.

I prefer to call PC/360 games "semi-plat". Let's think of this logically. Is the 360 truely competing with gaming PCs? I propose it isn't. In fact, I believe the vast majority of people who are about to buy a console in a game's store don't even consider the option to get a PC *instead* of the 360. If they already own a PC, that same majority still consider console games as a seperate entity. What I'm trying to say is that the Xbox 360 is not competing as aggresively for market share with the PC as they are with Sony/Nintendo. Analysts will consider market share for video games as split between the 360/Wii/PS3, and rarely do you find one including the PC in that pie chart - why? Because most people only care about console exclusivity. A game becoming semi-plat with the PC *ONLY* matters here on system wars. Outside of here, it's an non-factor.

Whereas if a game like FF13 goes multiplat (just for example), you actually have a "minus" for Sony because it is directly affected financially by this action. Console exclusivity is much more important to video game execs than a game becoming semi-plat is. As to which is more important for a gamer, it depends on what kind of gamer we're talking about and what platforms they are comparing.

Exclusivity is much more complex than just "this game appears on more than one platform, multi-plat." How many more platforms does it appear on? Which does it appear on? Why does it matter if a 360 game is semi-plat if it still isn't going to the PS3/Wii? By any modicum of logic no cows can say "bioshock is multiplat lol lems owned" because cows don't actually gain any advantage from it being semi-plat. The only people who can call semi-plats for what they are is hermits, who directly gain from the 360 ports.

If I'm considering 360 vs PS3, bioshock is exclusive. Halo 3 is exclusive. gears of war is exclusive. Bottom Line, it depends on what two consoles you're comparing and what options the customer is looking at. If I want to consider the PC, then the games are multi-plat.

_Impmacaque_

For me the PC is in DIRECT competition with the 360. The ONLY reason I don't own a 360 is because I have a gaming PC that gets so many of the 360's games.

yes, you can compare games between the 360, wii and ps3 only as long as you dont accually use the term (console exclusive).

but you can completely throw the pc out of the window more or less in some discussions. (both cake and casey's agreed with this)

For me the PC is in DIRECT competition with the 360. The ONLY reason I don't own a 360 is because I have a gaming PC that gets so many of the 360's games.

You're in the minority. I think even you can acknowledge that.

If microsoft really cared about 360 game profit cuts as a result of going semi-plat, you think they'd allow Gears to go the PC? The very fact that they make these games multi-plat between the 360 and PC only indicates that they embrace the PC as a gaming system - not shy away from it. Think gears will be coming to the PS3 anytime soon? No way in hell.

I'm not here to argue about exclusives between hermits and lems. That's pointless, and I find 99% of hermit based arguments to be a waste of time. I'm here to argue that with the majority of topics in System Wars, PCs are not brought up.In these very arguments where the PC is a non-factor - the term "console exclusive" is more important than anything. To deny use of the term is stupid because it IS important, and it DOES show itself here in system wars quite often.

I'm not here to argue about exclusives between hermits and lems. That's pointless, and I find 99% of hermit based arguments t obe a waste of time. I'm here to argue with the majority of topics in System Wars, PCs are not brought up. If the PC isn't part of the debate, then the game just isn't multi-plat for the remainder of the debate. _Impmacaque_

[QUOTE="_Impmacaque_"]I'm not here to argue about exclusives between hermits and lems. That's pointless, and I find 99% of hermit based arguments t obe a waste of time. I'm here to argue with the majority of topics in System Wars, PCs are not brought up. If the PC isn't part of the debate, then the game just isn't multi-plat for the remainder of the debate. Vandalvideo

lol. Did I ever say I'm ignoring it?

Please.

I said that my argument only pertains to situations when the PC isn't a factor in the debate. Like it or not, the majority of debates, conflicts, and topics in system wars are often narrowed down between two or all three of the consoles. The inclusion of the PC is innately rare in these forums - I'm just pointing this out.

As a result, we should be able to deal with such topics with the terms of console exlusivity. If someone comes on here and makes a topic asking "for my birthday I want a PS3, but my friend says the 360 is good too - which should I get" then the PC is a non factor.

If we're comparing 360's game library to the PS3, the PC is a non-factor.

Like it or not, the PC is inherently a non-factor in many situations here. Do we deny it's existance? Nope. But we also would like to have our own relevant dicussions without being forced to consider the PC if it clearly has no place in the argument. For this reason, and this reason only - console exlusivity matters.

Like it or not, the PC is inherently a non-factor in many situations here. Do we deny it's existance? Nope. But we also would like to have our own relevant dicussions without being forced to consider the PC if it clearly has no place in the argument. For this reason, and this reason only - console exlusivity matters._Impmacaque_

[QUOTE="_Impmacaque_"]Like it or not, the PC is inherently a non-factor in many situations here. Do we deny it's existance? Nope. But we also would like to have our own relevant dicussions without being forced to consider the PC if it clearly has no place in the argument. For this reason, and this reason only - console exlusivity matters.Vandalvideo

But what you don't understand, is that if the PC isn't in the argument, a game being labelled multi-plat means nothing.

It's just an arbitrary label that really doesn't have to be there because it doesn't affect the argument in any way. Gears being multi-plat does not matter at all in a conversation about PS3 and the 360. For the sake of the argument, the game is exlusive to one of the two platforms in the argument. That's all, there's no arguing around it. To use the term "console exclusive/PC multi-plat" makes sense in the context of the argument, but would only serve to accomodate hermits in an argument within which they don't need to be accomodated. Does it bother you that much to be excluded from some of the arguments?

If it's just the wording of the term "console exclusive" bugging you, that can be worked around - but the idea behind the term cannot. A game can definitely be considered console exlusive in the context of a console only argument, and that's all I'm trying to say.

It's just an arbitrary label that really doesn't have to be there because it doesn't affect the argument in any way. Gears being multi-plat does not matter at all in a conversation about PS3 and the 360. For the sake fo the argument, the game is exlusive to one of the two platforms in the argument. That's all, there's no arguing around it. To use the term "exclusive multi-plat" makes sense in the context of the argument, but would only serve to accomodate hermits in an argument within which they don't need to be accomodated. Does it bother you that much to be excluded from some of the arguments?f it's just the wording of the term "console exclusive" bugging you, that can be worked around - but the idea behind the term cannot. A game can definitely be considered console exlusive in the context of a console only argument, and that's all I'm trying to say._Impmacaque_

[QUOTE="_Impmacaque_"]It's just an arbitrary label that really doesn't have to be there because it doesn't affect the argument in any way. Gears being multi-plat does not matter at all in a conversation about PS3 and the 360. For the sake fo the argument, the game is exlusive to one of the two platforms in the argument. That's all, there's no arguing around it. To use the term "exclusive multi-plat" makes sense in the context of the argument, but would only serve to accomodate hermits in an argument within which they don't need to be accomodated. Does it bother you that much to be excluded from some of the arguments?f it's just the wording of the term "console exclusive" bugging you, that can be worked around - but the idea behind the term cannot. A game can definitely be considered console exlusive in the context of a console only argument, and that's all I'm trying to say.Vandalvideo

You still aren't reading me carefully enough...

PC multi-plat IS arbitrary in a console only arguments.

Console exclusivity IS hugely relavent in the same arguments.

I'm not saying PC-exclusivity doesn't matter, I'm saying that within the context (this is the key word here) of console only arguments, we don't care about PC-exclusivity. If you noticed, I edited my post with the phrase you call an oxymoron (I forgot to type in some words there, should make sense).

i dont get why hermits make such a big deal out of it. games that arent on console X but are on console Y (albeit perhaps also on pc) should be used as leverage against console X in a console to console discussion.

Its really that simple.

I'm not saying PC-exclusivity doesn't matter, I'm saying that within the context (this is the key word here) of console only arguments, we don't care about PC-exclusivity. If you noticed, I edited my post with the phrase you call an oxymoron (I forgot to type in some words there, should make sense). _Impmacaque_

[QUOTE="_Impmacaque_"]I'm not saying PC-exclusivity doesn't matter, I'm saying that within the context (this is the key word here) of console only arguments, we don't care about PC-exclusivity. If you noticed, I edited my post with the phrase you call an oxymoron (I forgot to type in some words there, should make sense). Vandalvideo

YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE TALKING SEMANTICS HERE.

The rest of us AREN'T ARGUING semantics, we're seeking contextually appropriate terminology for console only discussion. This is about using games as leverage against other consoles that don't have those games. This is about being able to use Bioshock and Gears against the PS3 because the PS3 simply doesn't have it.

No offense, but your incessant focus on semantics without even understanding what we're trying to arrive at is really unecessary. If you're here to argue about the definition of the word multi-plat, then I'm just going to leave because it's not what I came to this topic to do. I came here to establish the phrase "console exclusive" as acceptable when it is contextually appropriate to do so (console only topics).

As I've stated before, this issue only affects console gamers posting on SW. Hermit input is not necessary because console only debates , by definition, do not concern you or garner your input.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="_Impmacaque_"]I'm not saying PC-exclusivity doesn't matter, I'm saying that within the context (this is the key word here) of console only arguments, we don't care about PC-exclusivity. If you noticed, I edited my post with the phrase you call an oxymoron (I forgot to type in some words there, should make sense). _Impmacaque_

YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE TALKING SEMANTICS HERE.

The rest of us AREN'T ARGUING semantics, we're seeking contextually appropriate terminology for console only discussion. This is about using games as leverage against other consoles that don't have those games. This is about being able to use Bioshock and Gears against the PS3 because the PS3 simply doesn't have it.

No offense, but your incessant focus on semantics without even understanding what we're trying to arrive at is really unecessary. If you're here to argue about the definition of the word multi-plat, then I'm just going to leave because it's not what I came to this topic to do. I came here to establish the phrase "console exclusive" as acceptable when it is contextually appropriate to do so (console only topics).

As I've stated before, this issue only affects console gamers posting on SW. Hermit input is not necessary because console only debates , by definition, do not concern you or garner your input.