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#1 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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RE4, RE5, COD whatever, Halo, Killzone, Dead Space, all of them, yes, PC shooters too. They're all casual. It's just start character, get gun, shoot enemies. Die, get better at shooting enemies, move on. Kill bosses, shoot more enemies. Agree/Disagree
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#2 Yandere
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Matters what you call casual, they're getting very easy though.

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#3 Couth_
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Not all of them are casual look at ArmaII..
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Can't get much more casual than shooters.

Gradius - Casual crap. Really why would you play it?

Ikaruga - The graphics are so terrible, and there are too many bullets, lulz wasup with that?

Metal Slug - Not enough blood, plus why do I seem to die every 2 seconds?

Contra - I don't understand how this game got high ratings, its terrible.

I'd say the other casual genre is beat-em-ups, final fight, streets of rage, etc. All casual crap.

(Learn the difference between FPS and shooters. I know shooters aren't mainstream any more, but they do exist.)

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Not all of them are casual look at ArmaII.. Couth_
It's not really just a shooter, is it? Squad elements and RTS bits in there too, yes? Anyway, I would still call it casual, because I'm an obstinate git.
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#6 CoralMark
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Casual. Everybody and their brother plays them - much like GH or Madden.

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Can't get much more casual than shooters.

Gradius - Casual crap. Really why would you play it?

Ikaruga - The graphics are so terrible, and there are too many bullets, lulz wasup with that?

Metal Slug - Not enough blood, plus why do I seem to die every 2 seconds?

Contra - I don't understand how this game got high ratings, its terrible.

I'd say the other casual genre is beat-em-ups, final fight, streets of rage, etc. All casual crap.

(Learn the difference between FPS and shooters. I know shooters aren't mainstream any more, but they do exist.)

falconclan

Since he's referring to first person shooters and not SHMUPs lets just talk about FPSes. :s

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Can't get much more casual than shooters.

Gradius - Casual crap. Really why would you play it?

Ikaruga - The graphics are so terrible, and there are too many bullets, lulz wasup with that?

Metal Slug - Not enough blood, plus why do I seem to die every 2 seconds?

Contra - I don't understand how this game got high ratings, its terrible.

I'd say the other casual genre is beat-em-ups, final fight, streets of rage, etc. All casual crap.

(Learn the difference between FPS and shooters. I know shooters aren't mainstream any more, but they do exist.)

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Quiet you, I was just trying to include FPS and TPS together into one thread. You take you old tired games and play them on your old tired systems.
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No, just no. You could say that shooters post Gears of War (2006->) are 95% casual, with the exception of ArmA 2, STALKER SoC & Clear Sky.

Before that, only a handful of console shooters were casual.

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Oh yeah, and whats up with platformers? Its just get mushroom jump on heads, fall to death, respawn dont fall to death jump on flag. AMIRITE?

Doesn't even stop there, sometimes you just run on occasions stop to jump in a portal to get some stupid jewel so you can become even MORE overpowered, then you have to face some doctor who really likes robots for some reason.

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RE4, RE5, COD whatever, Halo, Killzone, Dead Space, all of them, yes, PC shooters too. They're all casual. It's just start character, get gun, shoot enemies. Die, get better at shooting enemies, move on. Kill bosses, shoot more enemies. Agree/DisagreeJandurin
maybe they are but your examples are terrible re5 and dead space are survival horror where it looks like a shooter but in fact the way they build suspence is to have you not shoot things...i don't even do survival games now because of that

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No, just no. You could say that shooters post Gears of War (2006->) are 95% casual, with the exception of ArmA 2, STALKER SoC & Clear Sky.

Before that, only a handful of console shooters were casual.

HenriH-42
What else is there? Goldeneye? Turok? Casual.
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"]RE4, RE5, COD whatever, Halo, Killzone, Dead Space, all of them, yes, PC shooters too. They're all casual. It's just start character, get gun, shoot enemies. Die, get better at shooting enemies, move on. Kill bosses, shoot more enemies. Agree/DisagreeRiverwolf007

maybe they are but your examples are terrible re5 and dead space are survival horror where it looks like a shooter but in fact the way they build suspence is to have you not shoot things...i don't even do survival games now because of that, in survival horror the devs say "here is this huge level we built now lets put in nothing to shoot except 4-5 enemies that jump out at you

RE5 nor dead space were horror games. They were action shooters.
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[QUOTE="falconclan"]

Can't get much more casual than shooters.

Gradius - Casual crap. Really why would you play it?

Ikaruga - The graphics are so terrible, and there are too many bullets, lulz wasup with that?

Metal Slug - Not enough blood, plus why do I seem to die every 2 seconds?

Contra - I don't understand how this game got high ratings, its terrible.

I'd say the other casual genre is beat-em-ups, final fight, streets of rage, etc. All casual crap.

(Learn the difference between FPS and shooters. I know shooters aren't mainstream any more, but they do exist.)

Yandere

Since he's referring to first person shooters and not SHMUPs lets just talk about FPSes. :s

He did say shooters..
all of themJandurin
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TC, let me guess, your first shooter was CoD4. Play an objective game in Halo 3, or 4v4 Killzone 2, or SOCOM or Resistance 2 Co Op on Superhuman. When a FPS is done right, it turns into an RTS.
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[QUOTE="falconclan"]

Can't get much more casual than shooters.

Gradius - Casual crap. Really why would you play it?

Ikaruga - The graphics are so terrible, and there are too many bullets, lulz wasup with that?

Metal Slug - Not enough blood, plus why do I seem to die every 2 seconds?

Contra - I don't understand how this game got high ratings, its terrible.

I'd say the other casual genre is beat-em-ups, final fight, streets of rage, etc. All casual crap.

(Learn the difference between FPS and shooters. I know shooters aren't mainstream any more, but they do exist.)

Jandurin

Quiet you, I was just trying to include FPS and TPS together into one thread. You take you old tired games and play them on your old tired systems.

I believe you're joking but don't talk about SHMUPs son.

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[QUOTE="Couth_"]Not all of them are casual look at ArmaII.. Jandurin
It's not really just a shooter, is it? Squad elements and RTS bits in there too, yes? Anyway, I would still call it casual, because I'm an obstinate git.

Well its core gameplay is FPS.. but all that other Jive is waht it takes for it to not be casual.. And it's uber realistic/difficult gameplay
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Oh yeah, and whats up with platformers? Its just get mushroom jump on heads, fall to death, respawn dont fall to death jump on flag. AMIRITE?

Doesn't even stop there, sometimes you just run on occasions stop to jump in a portal to get some stupid jewel so you can become even MORE overpowered, then you have to face some doctor who really likes robots for some reason.

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yes. casual. correct. not a shooter, though >_> unless we're talking about fireballs :lol:
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[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]RE4, RE5, COD whatever, Halo, Killzone, Dead Space, all of them, yes, PC shooters too. They're all casual. It's just start character, get gun, shoot enemies. Die, get better at shooting enemies, move on. Kill bosses, shoot more enemies. Agree/DisagreeJandurin

maybe they are but your examples are terrible re5 and dead space are survival horror where it looks like a shooter but in fact the way they build suspence is to have you not shoot things...i don't even do survival games now because of that, in survival horror the devs say "here is this huge level we built now lets put in nothing to shoot except 4-5 enemies that jump out at you

RE5 nor dead space were horror games. They were action shooters.

whatever man... i'm can't argue semantics

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TC, let me guess, your first shooter was CoD4. Play an objective game in Halo 3, or 4v4 Killzone 2, or SOCOM or Resistance 2 Co Op on Superhuman. When a FPS is done right, it turns into an RTS. chaotzu
You are correct, sir. CoD4 is my first shooter. Wait, no, Wolf3D was :?
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RE4, RE5, COD whatever, Halo, Killzone, Dead Space, all of them, yes, PC shooters too. They're all casual. It's just start character, get gun, shoot enemies. Die, get better at shooting enemies, move on. Kill bosses, shoot more enemies. Agree/DisagreeJandurin
I love casual games than. I am so happy right now I finally feel apart of something bigger than myself, thank you for shedding light on this very serious matter.

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A game becomes casual when the developers make it casual, the FPS genre itself is not casual orientated.

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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

RE4, RE5, COD whatever, Halo, Killzone, Dead Space, all of them, yes, PC shooters too. They're all casual. It's just start character, get gun, shoot enemies. Die, get better at shooting enemies, move on. Kill bosses, shoot more enemies. Agree/DisagreeJandurin
maybe they are but your examples are terrible re5 and dead space are survival horror where it looks like a shooter but in fact the way they build suspence is to have you not shoot things...i don't even do survival games now because of that, in survival horror the devs say "here is this huge level we built now lets put in nothing to shoot except 4-5 enemies that jump out at you

RE5 nor dead space were horror games. They were action shooters.

Dead Space was a horror game. There is no arguing around that fact.
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I believe you're joking but don't talk about SHMUPs son.

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haha. I won't talk about them if you don't bring them up when you know I'm not talking about them. =)
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"]RE4, RE5, COD whatever, Halo, Killzone, Dead Space, all of them, yes, PC shooters too. They're all casual. It's just start character, get gun, shoot enemies. Die, get better at shooting enemies, move on. Kill bosses, shoot more enemies. Agree/Disagreesexy_robot_man

I love casual games than. I am so happy right now I finally feel apart of something bigger than myself, thank you for shedding light on this very serious matter.

yes. Exactly.
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A game becomes casual when the developers make it casual, the FPS genre itself is not casual orientated.

AnnoyedDragon
no, incorrect.
Dead Space was a horror game. There is no arguing around that fact.SparkyProtocol
what made it a horror game? The mutations? The way it completely resembled Event Horizon but in video game form? The fact that there were dead people talking to you?
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[QUOTE="falconclan"]

Oh yeah, and whats up with platformers? Its just get mushroom jump on heads, fall to death, respawn dont fall to death jump on flag. AMIRITE?

Doesn't even stop there, sometimes you just run on occasions stop to jump in a portal to get some stupid jewel so you can become even MORE overpowered, then you have to face some doctor who really likes robots for some reason.

Jandurin

yes. casual. correct. not a shooter, though >_> unless we're talking about fireballs :lol:

Yes, well I'm not finished. I am setting out to prove every genre is casual crap.

Next up STEALTH.

Really whats up with stealth its all like hide, find out where to go next, hide some more, choke some guy out fight boss finish game LOL! No skill at all, and whats worse it that guns are involved and guns are casual and I hate casual things and anything that might make me look like a casual.

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Battlefield 2 is not so casual
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No, just no. You could say that shooters post Gears of War (2006->) are 95% casual, with the exception of ArmA 2, STALKER SoC & Clear Sky.

Before that, only a handful of console shooters were casual.

Jandurin

What else is there? Goldeneye? Turok? Casual.

I'm NOT talking about console shooters, lol. They were pretty much always casual or just plain bad.

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Casual gamers play shooters. Of course. Doesnt mean the games themselves are casual titles.
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Like I said in another thread, games themselves cannot be casual or hardcore, it is the player who is variable.

...Namely, it is the manner in which the game is played.

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I am setting out to prove every genre is casual crap.

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no, that's what I was going to do D= Except for the "crap" bit. I don't think any genre is crap at all. Sports games are boring, though, to me.
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Real men only play dwarf fortress and X-COM. Maybe a sprinkling of hearts of iron.
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"]RE4, RE5, COD whatever, Halo, Killzone, Dead Space, all of them, yes, PC shooters too. They're all casual. It's just start character, get gun, shoot enemies. Die, get better at shooting enemies, move on. Kill bosses, shoot more enemies. Agree/Disagree

they are games you can play casually if you so wish. but if you choose to invest a lot of time in them and play them everyday then they can be hardcore too. pretty much like all games really. this whole causal/hardcore **** is so dumb.
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="HenriH-42"]

No, just no. You could say that shooters post Gears of War (2006->) are 95% casual, with the exception of ArmA 2, STALKER SoC & Clear Sky.

Before that, only a handful of console shooters were casual.

HenriH-42

What else is there? Goldeneye? Turok? Casual.

I'm NOT talking about console shooters, lol. They were pretty much always casual or just plain bad.

Doom? LOL Doom 2? Hexen Hexic? Quake? Quake 2? Team Fortress Original? Half Life? HAH Even more casual than today's stuff :)
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Yes I agree, most shooters this generation are catered to the casual gamer. All the more reason to hate casuals. They bring nothing good to the industry. Only money to feed the developers greed an Bob Kotick's fat face.

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[QUOTE="Jandurin"]RE4, RE5, COD whatever, Halo, Killzone, Dead Space, all of them, yes, PC shooters too. They're all casual. It's just start character, get gun, shoot enemies. Die, get better at shooting enemies, move on. Kill bosses, shoot more enemies. Agree/Disagreewayne_kar
they are games you can play casually if you so wish. but if you choose to invest a lot of time in them and play them everyday then they can be hardcore too. pretty much like all games really. this whole causal/hardcore **** is so dumb.

The reason it is dumb though isn't because it exists, its because people think they know how to qualify. It is my belief that any genre can have its hardcore gamers, anyone who says otherwise isn't thinking it through, even sports titles have their awesome gamers.

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Doesnt mean the games themselves are casual titles.skrat_01
I don't really believe that games have inherent qualities of casual OR hardcore. They can be played in a way that can be described as casual or hardcore, though.

Like I said in another thread, games themselves cannot be casual or hardcore, it is the player who is variable.

...Namely, it is the manner in which the game is played.

Leejjohno
right. Though I don't even really buy into the casual vs. hardcore way of being played, either, but that's another thread.
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Games do have inherent difficulties and learning curves. But, it's usually just frustrating design flaws that make games difficult rather than clever enemies that make you learn how to play better.
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no, incorrect.Jandurin

Maybe if you only play on consoles, but PC has simulation games like America's Army that are most definitly not casual.

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[QUOTE="Jandurin"]no, incorrect.AnnoyedDragon

Maybe if you only play on consoles, but PC has simulation games like America's Army that are most definitly not casual.

D= What an odd game to bring into the argument :lol:
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"]no, incorrect.AnnoyedDragon

Maybe if you only play on consoles, but PC has simulation games like America's Army that are most definitly not casual.

i play ArmA 2 every other sunday for 20 mins. so its casual to me
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[QUOTE="skrat_01"]Doesnt mean the games themselves are casual titles.Jandurin
I don't really believe that games have inherent qualities of casual OR hardcore. They can be played in a way that can be described as casual or hardcore, though.

Like I said in another thread, games themselves cannot be casual or hardcore, it is the player who is variable.

...Namely, it is the manner in which the game is played.

Leejjohno

right. Though I don't even really buy into the casual vs. hardcore way of being played, either, but that's another thread.

Neither do I really, but the variable is most definately the player regardless.

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apparently there is no difference between casual and popular... the only hardcore games i guess are just some RTS for pc because every single other game is called casual now adays.

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#45 falconclan
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apparently there is no difference between casual and popular... the only hardcore games i guess are just some RTS for pc because every single other game is called casual now adays.

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LOL RTS is probably the most casual out of all the genres. I mean all you do is direct units and build bases. Whats up with that, its like, you start with like 5 units, build a base, build 50 units, destroy your enemy and then its over? Like whats up with that. Totally casual crap.

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#46 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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apparently there is no difference between casual and popular... the only hardcore games i guess are just some RTS for pc because every single other game is called casual now adays.

VendettaRed07
RTS' are casual too. Build farmers, build farms, build buildings, build footmen, build archers, upgrade footmen, upgrade archers, build defensive buildings and upgraded town center, attack, build advanced building, build next tier of footmen and archers, upgrade, build next level of center etc. etc. Mostly, just attack more than you get attacked :P It's harder for me to make RTS' sound casual. RPGs are easily done, though.
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#47 AnnoyedDragon
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D= What an odd game to bring into the argument :lol:Jandurin

Have you ever actually played it or are you just trolling?

It's an sim designed to recreate the experience on what it is like to be in the US army, recreating everything from gun jams to criminal punishment for behaviour. If that's casual to you then it tells me something about your credibility, your opinion is irrelevant.

i play ArmA 2 every other sunday for 20 mins. so its casual to mewayne_kar

How much you choose to play a game isn't an indicator of whether or not it is casual, Peggle doesn't suddenly become hardcore because you play it more often.

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#48 VendettaRed07
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[QUOTE="VendettaRed07"]

apparently there is no difference between casual and popular... the only hardcore games i guess are just some RTS for pc because every single other game is called casual now adays.

falconclan

LOL RTS is probably the most casual out of all the genres. I mean all you do is direct units and build bases. Whats up with that, its like, you start with like 5 units, build a base, build 50 units, destroy your enemy and then its over? Like whats up with that. Totally casual crap.

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i tried playing some rts on pc for like 5 minutes and didnt really understand it or care to ever find out how to play it so i just stopped playing it. BUt anyways i seriously dont know what is not casual then

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It's an sim designed to recreate the experience on what it is like to be in the US army, recreating everything from gun jams to criminal punishment for behaviour.AnnoyedDragon
It's odd because it's barely a game. As you said, it's a simulation. I've never ever heard that game mentioned in anything but as a curiosity. It's still odd to me. The government making vicious games on one side and ranting about children and violent games on the other. Regardless, you can call your Army sim whatever you want, I won't argue about it.
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#50 blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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lol someone is trying to pick a fight :lol: