All shooters are casual

i tried playing some rts on pc for like 5 minutes and didnt really understand it or care to ever find out how to play it so i just stopped playing it. BUt anyways i seriously dont know what is not casual thenVendettaRed07

Casual. Everybody and their brother plays them - much like GH or Madden.

CoralMark

But does everybody play them at the same level, is the real question here? Its not just about the size of the fanbase, but also the skills required to play them. While some games are brutally difficult and won't be completed without mastering the skill set required to play it properly (Ikaruga, Ninja Gaiden), others are very easy to get into and will remain the same in challenge level (Wii Play) no matter how many hours are put into it.

Shooters on the other hand fit into the category of being casual or hardcore depending on what the player themselves put into it. So yes games like Halo, Gears, KZ2, MoH, and others are easy to get into, and can be played for casual fun.

But then you get those who practice endlessly at these games (learning each weapon's strangth and weakness, their unique techniques for handling, all the maps strong points and weapon positions, plus other play strategies unique to that game) resulting in improving their proficiency and thus taking themselves to a different skill level at the game, the level needed to play in highly competetive tournaments.

So if you think Halo is the same for "that guys brother" who puts in a couple hours a week, put him and his friends up against an MLG team and see what happens.

lol someone is trying to pick a fight :lol:blue_hazy_basic

Probably the most casual of all genres. I mean hear me out I realize all you nerds out there spend hours on end learning stupid 20 button combos (which are casual, by the way.) How does this take skill? I mean its like all you do is press buttons to create a combo and when you do that its like you beat the guy and go on to the next, whats up with that?

[QUOTE="VendettaRed07"]i tried playing some rts on pc for like 5 minutes and didnt really understand it or care to ever find out how to play it so i just stopped playing it. BUt anyways i seriously dont know what is not casual thenJandurin

no i believe you cause i never really played them, its just it seemed so complicated at first i just assumed they were super hardcore and gave up lol.

Gaming is casual.IronBass

This is most definitely incorrrect. All Console shooters are casual.

The way it completely resembled Event Horizon but in video game form? Jandurin

RE4, RE5, COD whatever, Halo, Killzone, Dead Space, all of them, yes, PC shooters too. They're all casual. It's just start character, get gun, shoot enemies. Die, get better at shooting enemies, move on. Kill bosses, shoot more enemies. Agree/DisagreeJandurin

[QUOTE="Jandurin"] The way it completely resembled Event Horizon but in video game form? Ontain

I still want a thorough explanation on how Dead Space is not a horror game. Why would you even compare it to CSS,UT,Halo,BF,etc when it is not even a multiplayer game?SparkyProtocol

[QUOTE="Jandurin"] The way it completely resembled Event Horizon but in video game form? Ontain

[QUOTE="SparkyProtocol"] because single player games can be casual too?[QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="Jandurin"] The way it completely resembled Event Horizon but in video game form? Jandurin

ITT: Trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls.redstormrisen

RE4, RE5, COD whatever, Halo, Killzone, Dead Space, all of them, yes, PC shooters too. They're all casual. It's just start character, get gun, shoot enemies. Die, get better at shooting enemies, move on. Kill bosses, shoot more enemies. Agree/DisagreeJandurin

I agree. This is absolute truth. Ask any casual gamer today what they play and I guarantee it is mainly FPS. Why? Because casual gamers don't like story, dialogue, plot, character development, etc. They want twitch gaming and explosions. They don't want to think too much.

Of course, that's notto say that hardcore gamers don't play or lie FPS. Anybody can be a harcore gamer with any game. But I'd bet money that there are a higher percentage of casuals playing FPS than any other genre out there (excluding non-games and non-gamers like Wii sports and wii fit, etc)

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]RE4, RE5, COD whatever, Halo, Killzone, Dead Space, all of them, yes, PC shooters too. They're all casual. It's just start character, get gun, shoot enemies. Die, get better at shooting enemies, move on. Kill bosses, shoot more enemies. Agree/DisagreeZIMdoom

I agree. This is absolute truth. Ask any casual gamer today what they play and I guarantee it is mainly FPS. Why? Because casual gamers don't like story, dialogue, plot, character development, etc. They want twitch gaming and explosions. They don't want to think too much.

Of course, that's notto say that hardcore gamers don't play or lie FPS. Anybody can be a harcore gamer with any game. But I'd bet money that there are a higher percentage of casuals playing FPS than any other genre out there (excluding non-games and non-gamers like Wii sports and wii fit, etc)

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[QUOTE="Jandurin"]RE4, RE5, COD whatever, Halo, Killzone, Dead Space, all of them, yes, PC shooters too. They're all casual. It's just start character, get gun, shoot enemies. Die, get better at shooting enemies, move on. Kill bosses, shoot more enemies. Agree/Disagreeblue_hazy_basic

I agree. This is absolute truth. Ask any casual gamer today what they play and I guarantee it is mainly FPS. Why? Because casual gamers don't like story, dialogue, plot, character development, etc. They want twitch gaming and explosions. They don't want to think too much.

Of course, that's notto say that hardcore gamers don't play or lie FPS. Anybody can be a harcore gamer with any game. But I'd bet money that there are a higher percentage of casuals playing FPS than any other genre out there (excluding non-games and non-gamers like Wii sports and wii fit, etc)

There is no concrete definition of Casual/hardcore. I see all different types of responses and get why they say them. But I don't agree with some of them. I do agree with the TC. Shooters are casual.

Socom Confrontation doesn't have a single player portion and it's def not a pick up and play game....I wouldn't call Socom a casual shooter.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]RE4, RE5, COD whatever, Halo, Killzone, Dead Space, all of them, yes, PC shooters too. They're all casual. It's just start character, get gun, shoot enemies. Die, get better at shooting enemies, move on. Kill bosses, shoot more enemies. Agree/Disagreezero_snake99

[QUOTE="zero_snake99"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]RE4, RE5, COD whatever, Halo, Killzone, Dead Space, all of them, yes, PC shooters too. They're all casual. It's just start character, get gun, shoot enemies. Die, get better at shooting enemies, move on. Kill bosses, shoot more enemies. Agree/Disagreefalconclan

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]RE4, RE5, COD whatever, Halo, Killzone, Dead Space, all of them, yes, PC shooters too. They're all casual. It's just start character, get gun, shoot enemies. Die, get better at shooting enemies, move on. Kill bosses, shoot more enemies. Agree/Disagreezero_snake99

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[QUOTE="Jandurin"] What else is there? Goldeneye? Turok? Casual.Jandurin

I'm NOT talking about console shooters, lol. They were pretty much always casual or just plain bad.

Congratulations, now I know you're trolling. I won't bother with this thread anymore. Have a nice day.

Congratulations, now I know you're trolling. I won't bother with this thread anymore. Have a nice day.

HenriH-42

Or hasn't played enough games to find out that every game is trial and error, and every game is linear in their own way.

falconclan

Troll, this is probably the 100th time me saying this. But people like you have never played Red Orchestra or Tribes.zero_snake99

... what kinda logic is that? You can make all games look as basic as that...Birdy09

STALKER, Deus Ex, System Shock 2, Arx Fatalis, HeXen, Bloodlines, and the Thief (debatable if its a shooter but its first person) series all disagree with you.

I think all of those games are like that - doesn't mean those games are bad though. It just means their accessible, which is a good thing.Haziqonfire

STALKER, Deus Ex, System Shock 2, Arx Fatalis, HeXen, Bloodlines, and the Thief (debatable if its a shooter but its first person) series all disagree with you.

Whiteblade999

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="HenriH-42"]

I'm NOT talking about console shooters, lol. They were pretty much always casual or just plain bad.

HenriH-42

Congratulations, now I know you're trolling. I won't bother with this thread anymore. Have a nice day.

(Learn the difference between FPS and shooters. I know shooters aren't mainstream any more, but they do exist.)

falconclan

You know with the advent of the TPS (third-person shooter), that term has been associated with TPS and FPS as well, right? Shmups (Shoot 'em Ups) is now the dominant term regarding titles like Gradius and Ikaruga.

I somewhat agree with the OP. Games that don't offer anything more than those elements are casual to an extent. Of course there's more to it, like aiming mechanics, healing mechanics, cIass systems, tactics/cover system, squad systems, and others that enhance the gameplay not to mention balance itself (something that has been long lost with FPS like CoD).

[QUOTE="zero_snake99"]Troll, this is probably the 100th time me saying this. But people like you have never played Red Orchestra or Tribes.Jandurin

Master of Magic isn't an FPS. When you finally play a game in which you have to lead off shots, estimate how far the bullet will drop from where you aim, or the effect of your character's vector and how it will effect its trajectory path, then you will realise that it is beyond your generalizing claims of FPS's being "casual".

Also, strategy...

nuff said.

[QUOTE="CoralMark"]

Casual. Everybody and their brother plays them - much like GH or Madden.

AdobeArtist

But does everybody play them at the same level, is the real question here? Its not just about the size of the fanbase, but also the skills required to play them. While some games are brutally difficult and won't be completed without mastering the skill set required to play it properly (Ikaruga, Ninja Gaiden), others are very easy to get into and will remain the same in challenge level (Wii Play) no matter how many hours are put into it.

Shooters on the other hand fit into the category of being casual or hardcore depending on what the player themselves put into it. So yes games like Halo, Gears, KZ2, MoH, and others are easy to get into, and can be played for casual fun.

But then you get those who practice endlessly at these games (learning each weapon's strangth and weakness, their unique techniques for handling, all the maps strong points and weapon positions, plus other play strategies unique to that game) resulting in improving their proficiency and thus taking themselves to a different skill level at the game, the level needed to play in highly competetive tournaments.

So if you think Halo is the same for "that guys brother" who puts in a couple hours a week, put him and his friends up against an MLG team and see what happens.

It could be argued that just about ANY game could be played in a hardcore fashion. In fact, there's a lot of casual games that can be taken to a new level by players who intensely get into them ... but that's more hardcore-playing than the game being hardcore.

IMO it's hard to argue that what's one of the most popular game styles is anything but casual. If shooters are hardcore, then the Wii is.

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[QUOTE="zero_snake99"]Troll, this is probably the 100th time me saying this. But people like you have never played Red Orchestra or Tribes.zero_snake99

Master of Magic isn't an FPS. When you finally play a game in which you have to lead off shots, estimate how far the bullet will drop from where you aim, or the effect of your character's vector and how it will effect its trajectory path, then you will realise that it is beyond your generalizing claims of FPS's being "casual".

Also, strategy...

nuff said.

did i just see dead space in TC's list??? or are my eyes playing tricks on me :? ReaperV7

[QUOTE="zero_snake99"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"] so? You haven't played Master of Magic, and I don't hold it against you.Jandurin

Master of Magic isn't an FPS. When you finally play a game in which you have to lead off shots, estimate how far the bullet will drop from where you aim, or the effect of your character's vector and how it will effect its trajectory path, then you will realise that it is beyond your generalizing claims of FPS's being "casual".

Also, strategy...

nuff said.

This thread reminds me of the uncomfortable truths well. Next thing you know Jand (or should I say, Mike) (no, I shouldn't, that isn't even his name) will be pointing out that despite being a half-Chinese universe, Firefly sure doesn't have any Asian characters.

Kudos in advance to the 3 people who will get this post.

This thread reminds me of the uncomfortable truths well. Next thing you know Jand will be pointing out that despite being a half-Chinese universe, Firefly sure doesn't have any Asian characters.

Kudos in advance to the 3 people who will get this post.

PBSnipes

Errm... what? Duck hunt doesn't have any of those things I mentioned... You don't want to be wrong, so instead you try to make a witty comment and fail. Nice one.zero_snake99

I see where you're coming from, but I don't think Resident Evil 4 is a casual game. I don't think an inexperienced gamer would be capable to finish it. I'll agree with you, though. Bentham

CS 1.6 is far from casual.