Alright Haze bashers.... Clue us in on something

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]You just don't get it. Whether by choice or genuine ignorance, you don't get it. NO ONE has seriously used Haze as a platform to bash the PS3's capabilities. It was hyped to be AA in the OFFICIAL hype thread, and it failed to even get an A score. If flopped, end of story. Don't try to dance around that.
StringGuard

I don't disagree with that. You want to look at the "official" Haze hype thread and see what cows made the high score claim, fine. Go bash them.

But you can't tell me that you haven't seen what I am talking about. People use this "teh pwnage" to bash PS3, in general, and the PS3, in general. That's my issue. Like anyone out in the real world would go look at a game on a shelf and say, "well, even though it got a 7, 'cows' said it would be a 9. So, I won't get this game." :lol:

The fact that you think this has any relation to "the real world" at all shows that you have no idea how system wars even works.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="StringGuard"] And this doesn't happen with Wii owenrs or 360 owners? :lol:

Here's the issue. We all, ALL OF US, use screenshots to base our opinion of a game early in development. And, yes, its stupid for anyone to do. Buuuut, we all do it. Why is it that PS3 owners catch all of the flak?

Yes, early on, Haze looked great. It looked to be bnear Crysis quality and matching the graphics of Halo. That is how it appeared in the screenshots. But, oh, how misleading that was. Just like it always is.

StringGuard

No, it doesn't. They aren't operating under the same context.

The 360 and Wii libraries have not been constant dissapointments in exclusives. The context is completely different.

Sure about that?

http://kotaku.com/355812/say-did-you-know-how-many-wii-games-suck

What you just posted is irrelevent. The Wii has plenty of bad games, but overall it has met its hype on big titles, and has validated the important members of its games library. But simply, the Wii has had AAAE games. It has met expectations with its hype (SMG, No More Heroes, Smash Bros Melee).

The Wii (or the 360) is not open to the criticism of a long line of poor exclusives at GameSpot, while the PS3 is. Every single PS3 exclusive has failed to achieve AAA status, and most have been miserable failures in meeting their hype.

Because at the end of the day, the reaction over this isn't an issue of Haze flopping, it's an issue of a wider library continually proving its ineptitude.

I'm not trying to excuse the fanboy mentality here, I'm trying to explain it.

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="StringGuard"] And this doesn't happen with Wii owenrs or 360 owners? :lol:

Here's the issue. We all, ALL OF US, use screenshots to base our opinion of a game early in development. And, yes, its stupid for anyone to do. Buuuut, we all do it. Why is it that PS3 owners catch all of the flak?

Yes, early on, Haze looked great. It looked to be bnear Crysis quality and matching the graphics of Halo. That is how it appeared in the screenshots. But, oh, how misleading that was. Just like it always is.

StringGuard

No, it doesn't. They aren't operating under the same context.

The 360 and Wii libraries have not been constant dissapointments in exclusives. The context is completely different.

Sure about that?

http://kotaku.com/355812/say-did-you-know-how-many-wii-games-suck

Many more games obviously affects the average. Go and post the actual number of AAA games comparatively, rather than averaging out all of the games on the market. It tells a very different story.

If we're talking about Haze this is all that needs to be said lol

If we're talking about Haze this is all that needs to be said lol

Blackbond

Agreed those who bought the game should get their money back with force :twisted:

Well perhaps someone with a wealth of programming knowledge can help me out,

It seems that since the PS3 is using the newest hardware, many developers have cited a "Learning Curve" does that still exist a year and a half into the PS3's life? I really don't know, but if it does then it could be argued by the 360 and PC loyalists that more time could have been spent correcting the games flaws rather then learning how to work with new hardware?

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="StringGuard"] And this doesn't happen with Wii owenrs or 360 owners? :lol:

Here's the issue. We all, ALL OF US, use screenshots to base our opinion of a game early in development. And, yes, its stupid for anyone to do. Buuuut, we all do it. Why is it that PS3 owners catch all of the flak?

Yes, early on, Haze looked great. It looked to be bnear Crysis quality and matching the graphics of Halo. That is how it appeared in the screenshots. But, oh, how misleading that was. Just like it always is.

StringGuard

No, it doesn't. They aren't operating under the same context.

The 360 and Wii libraries have not been constant dissapointments in exclusives. The context is completely different.

Sure about that?

http://kotaku.com/355812/say-did-you-know-how-many-wii-games-suck

Interesting!!!!

Say does PS3 have an exclusive that has outscored Metroid Prime 3 or Kameo yet?

As a 360 owner, I have no doubt that LIVE would have bumped it up to a 6.5. -GhostMLD-

... that's just stupid.

How come all multiplats game don't score 0.5 better on 360 then? :|

[QUOTE="-GhostMLD-"]As a 360 owner, I have no doubt that LIVE would have bumped it up to a 6.5. ejstrup

... that's just stupid.

How come all multiplats game don't score 0.5 better on 360 then? :|

The mass majority of multiplats do score higher on the 360, where have you been?

Reality is this game was due for the 360, pc and ps3 originally. If it'd stuck with the 360/pc it would of done better, IN MY OPINION. There just easier to work with, the game suffers graphics problems, that's likely because of how difficult the PS3 is to work with.

But hey, I'm guessing. Just an opinion.

With that said the topic creator needs to loosen up, this board shouldn't be taken seriously. If you're going to be a rabbid sony fanboy you should learn to take the good with the bad.

[QUOTE="-GhostMLD-"]As a 360 owner, I have no doubt that LIVE would have bumped it up to a 6.5. ejstrup

... that's just stupid.

How come all multiplats game don't score 0.5 better on 360 then? :|

:lol: Ah Ghost, gotta love 'em.

[QUOTE="StringGuard"][QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="StringGuard"] And this doesn't happen with Wii owenrs or 360 owners? :lol:

Here's the issue. We all, ALL OF US, use screenshots to base our opinion of a game early in development. And, yes, its stupid for anyone to do. Buuuut, we all do it. Why is it that PS3 owners catch all of the flak?

Yes, early on, Haze looked great. It looked to be bnear Crysis quality and matching the graphics of Halo. That is how it appeared in the screenshots. But, oh, how misleading that was. Just like it always is.

cosmostein77

No, it doesn't. They aren't operating under the same context.

The 360 and Wii libraries have not been constant dissapointments in exclusives. The context is completely different.

Sure about that?

http://kotaku.com/355812/say-did-you-know-how-many-wii-games-suck

Interesting!!!!

Say does PS3 have an exclusive that has outscored Metroid Prime 3 or Kameo yet?

Are you really trying to say that MP3 and Kameo are better than ANY PS3 exclusive? :lol:

You see people, here's where you are clueless. You put all this weight into review scores merely to play SW. The problem is, SW isn't a video game. Video games are those things we love that have that little character, some interaction, you know, a friggin' video game.

While review scores are a great way to get an idea of how worthy a game is to even try, it is not the end-all to whether a game is fun to play. And we do play video games for fun, right?

When it comes down to it, ANYONE making a prediction of a game before playing it is foolish. You really haven't a clue until its in your hands.

Yet, you ignore that. You act as if every game that got a good score on 360 was hyoed to be good by 360 owners. And that every 360 game that scored bad wasn't hyped at all by 360 owners. Its laughable at best.

The game is mediocre, it flopped. Get over it. Strawman arguments won't change anything. Let it go. MGS 4 comes out next month. Time to move on.heretrix

Could'nt have said it better myself :D

I was trying to remember the term but could'nt thanks.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]The game is mediocre, it flopped. Get over it. Strawman arguments won't change anything. Let it go. MGS 4 comes out next month. Time to move on.Jacboy71

Could'nt have said it better myself :D

I was trying to remember the term but could'nt thanks.

The mass majority of multiplats do score higher on the 360, where have you been?

Reality is this game was due for the 360, pc and ps3 originally. If it'd stuck with the 360/pc it would of done better, IN MY OPINION. There just easier to work with, the game suffers graphics problems, that's likely because of how difficult the PS3 is to work with.

But hey, I'm guessing. Just an opinion.

With that said the topic creator needs to loosen up, this board shouldn't be taken seriously. If you're going to be a rabbid sony fanboy you should learn to take the good with the bad.

CreepyBacon

GS review:

Abysmal storytelling and voice acting squander the interesting premise

Stupid artificial "intelligence"

Multiplayer is uninspiring and unbalanced

IGN Review:

Presentation
A bland story with weak characters and simplistic commentaries on serious topics, Haze is a generic tale at best about war

Sound
Dialogue is hokey and repetitive regardless of what side you're on. Sound effects are good, but that's not enough to make you turn the volume up once you've hit mute.

Gameplay
A creative concept hampered by gimmicks, a weak story and poor AI, Haze is a disappointment from a developer well versed in shooter mechanics.

Lasting Appeal
Two player split-screen and four player co-op helps put a minor spin on the campaign, but it won't extend the replayability of the game much. Nor will multiplayer modes and its useless merit system.

Read those negative points on Haze and tell me how PS3's difficulty to dev on has anything to do with them.

Put a game on 360 and the story gets better? The dialogue gets better? :lol:

The game is mediocre, it flopped. Get over it. Strawman arguments won't change anything. Let it go. MGS 4 comes out next month. Time to move on.heretrix

See me complaining about the score? See me complaining about bashing the select few who hyped this game? NO!

Once the ignorant threads stop, I will stop. People take this "hype" crap way too far.

Help me out here. I guess I am missing something.

360 Owners - Tell us how Haze would have scored better if it were on the 360. Tells us what would have been done differently and how the difference in hardware would have improved the score.

Wii Owners - Tell us how Wii could have handled Haze. Tell us how it would have been improved upon on the Wii's hardware to give it a better score.

My point, you have no real good answers. Wanna bash the 50 people in the world who hyped HAze, fine. But acting as if this game's score says anything about PS3 abilities is false.

Maybe I'm missing something. Maybe you got real answers. My guess is, you don't.

StringGuard

[QUOTE="CreepyBacon"]

The mass majority of multiplats do score higher on the 360, where have you been?

Reality is this game was due for the 360, pc and ps3 originally. If it'd stuck with the 360/pc it would of done better, IN MY OPINION. There just easier to work with, the game suffers graphics problems, that's likely because of how difficult the PS3 is to work with.

But hey, I'm guessing. Just an opinion.

With that said the topic creator needs to loosen up, this board shouldn't be taken seriously. If you're going to be a rabbid sony fanboy you should learn to take the good with the bad.

StringGuard

*review recap*

Read those negative points on Haze and tell me how PS3's difficulty to dev on has anything to do with them.

Put a game on 360 and the story gets better? The dialogue gets better? :lol:

its just that this game was getting so much hype a year ago they actually had to make a sticky for it...because cows were hyping the hell out of it and flooding the board...thats why there is so much backlash for the bad reviews...thats it

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25650904&page=0

[QUOTE="CreepyBacon"]

The mass majority of multiplats do score higher on the 360, where have you been?

Reality is this game was due for the 360, pc and ps3 originally. If it'd stuck with the 360/pc it would of done better, IN MY OPINION. There just easier to work with, the game suffers graphics problems, that's likely because of how difficult the PS3 is to work with.

But hey, I'm guessing. Just an opinion.

With that said the topic creator needs to loosen up, this board shouldn't be taken seriously. If you're going to be a rabbid sony fanboy you should learn to take the good with the bad.

StringGuard

GS review:

Abysmal storytelling and voice acting squander the interesting premise

Stupid artificial "intelligence"

Multiplayer is uninspiring and unbalanced

IGN Review:

Presentation
A bland story with weak characters and simplistic commentaries on serious topics, Haze is a generic tale at best about war

Sound
Dialogue is hokey and repetitive regardless of what side you're on. Sound effects are good, but that's not enough to make you turn the volume up once you've hit mute.

Gameplay
A creative concept hampered by gimmicks, a weak story and poor AI, Haze is a disappointment from a developer well versed in shooter mechanics.

Lasting Appeal
Two player split-screen and four player co-op helps put a minor spin on the campaign, but it won't extend the replayability of the game much. Nor will multiplayer modes and its useless merit system.

Read those negative points on Haze and tell me how PS3's difficulty to dev on has anything to do with them.

Put a game on 360 and the story gets better? The dialogue gets better? :lol:

stop pulling stuff outta ur butt, nobody said that

errr nobody said that haze would have been better if itwere on wii or 360 :|

mingo123

Yeah, it would have sucked no matter where it went.

And lol @ saying only 50 people hyped it....

[QUOTE="heretrix"]The game is mediocre, it flopped. Get over it. Strawman arguments won't change anything. Let it go. MGS 4 comes out next month. Time to move on.StringGuard

See me complaining about the score? See me complaining about bashing the select few who hyped this game? NO!

Once the ignorant threads stop, I will stop. People take this "hype" crap way too far.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]The game is mediocre, it flopped. Get over it. Strawman arguments won't change anything. Let it go. MGS 4 comes out next month. Time to move on.StringGuard

See me complaining about the score? See me complaining about bashing the select few who hyped this game? NO!

Once the ignorant threads stop, I will stop. People take this "hype" crap way too far.

I suggest you leave then, because it's never going to stop, and all you will do is increase your blood pressure and be a nuisance. This is how it has been for years, and you, a lone new poster, aren't going to change that.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]The game is mediocre, it flopped. Get over it. Strawman arguments won't change anything. Let it go. MGS 4 comes out next month. Time to move on.StringGuard

See me complaining about the score? See me complaining about bashing the select few who hyped this game? NO!

Once the ignorant threads stop, I will stop. People take this "hype" crap way too far.

No. Your strawman argument is that Lemmings are using Haze to bash the PS3's capabilities. Nor are they saying it would be better on the 360.They are just bashing Haze. It's a poor FPS by today's standards and should not be defended this vigorously.

Let it go....

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="Forensic-Klown"]

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]Haze was simply the latest in a long line of PS3 titles that failed to meet its hype. There wasn't much argument it would be better on another console, just that it wouldn't be good.StringGuard

Err, haze Barley had hype...most actually thought low of it..if i remember.

Once the demo was released, sure. But there was certainly the throw-around of the term 'Halo killer'.

And look at the context. The PS3 was arguably the most hyped console in history, yet it's also been one of the most dissapointing in terms of exclusive library. Lemmings are jumping on this more than any specific criticism of Haze (because obviously, most of them haven't played it).

Here's the issue. We all, ALL OF US, use screenshots to base our opinion of a game early in development. And, yes, its stupid for anyone to do. Buuuut, we all do it. Why is it that PS3 owners catch all of the flak?

Yes, early on, Haze looked great. It looked to be bnear Crysis quality and matching the graphics of Halo. That is how it appeared in the screenshots. But, oh, how misleading that was. Just like it always is.

Haze in particular is a special case since it went from being multiplat, and a fairly obscure title that would have probably gotten lost in a sea of FPS, to a PS3 exclusive, which is when the hype started.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]The game is mediocre, it flopped. Get over it. Strawman arguments won't change anything. Let it go. MGS 4 comes out next month. Time to move on.StringGuard

See me complaining about the score? See me complaining about bashing the select few who hyped this game? NO!

Once the ignorant threads stop, I will stop. People take this "hype" crap way too far.

You need to stop claiming there were a select few people who hyped this game. You didn't even have an account here when this game was revealed, unless you're using an alt from a banned account.

Haze was a big game to look forward to when it was first revealed. The hype diminished slightly, but only down to AA quality. Pretending that nobody was even looking forward to this game from the beginning simply makes you look like a fanboy trying to deny reality.

Well, what you are doing is speculating on the unknown. You could never know exactly. But some diffences could be:

Help me out here. I guess I am missing something.

360 Owners - Tell us how Haze would have scored better if it were on the 360. Tells us what would have been done differently and how the difference in hardware would have improved the score.

StringGuard

Well, You don't hear too often how 360 is difficult to develop for. In fact, their DNA architecture is pretty robust and easy to use, plus you can compile the same game in a way with moderate changed to work on PC. Its very developer friendly. Thus, it may very well have allowed the publisher to get more out the system by doing less. Saving money, more time to improve gameplay, graphics, etc. And with the larger user base, it would make more sense to invest more time and money into a better game because its less risk on your return.

Wii Owners - Tell us how Wii could have handled Haze. Tell us how it would have been improved upon on the Wii's hardware to give it a better score.

StringGuard

Similar to 360's answer. Wii uses a very similar archictecture as the GC, thus programmers did not have to be retrained entirely, again saving on costs and more time and energy on development. Granted, graphics would not have been better, but surely the game is not all about graphics. Plus it may very well have had a fast framerate and really good gameplay. And with the largest installement base, they could justify throwing more money and time into it since the audience is that much larger. And if it used the nunchuck like MP3, that may have improved controls and gameplay a point or two.

But my answers are as much speculation as yours are.

Help me out here. I guess I am missing something.

360 Owners - Tell us how Haze would have scored better if it were on the 360. Tells us what would have been done differently and how the difference in hardware would have improved the score.

Wii Owners - Tell us how Wii could have handled Haze. Tell us how it would have been improved upon on the Wii's hardware to give it a better score.

My point, you have no real good answers. Wanna bash the 50 people in the world who hyped HAze, fine. But acting as if this game's score says anything about PS3 abilities is false.

Maybe I'm missing something. Maybe you got real answers. My guess is, you don't.

StringGuard

It doesnt matter if it was on a diffrent system or not. The fact is, the game sucked.

Just as I thought, baseless fanboys come in with nothing to add.

StringGuard

Seriously... sick of fanboys

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]You just don't get it. Whether by choice or genuine ignorance, you don't get it. NO ONE has seriously used Haze as a platform to bash the PS3's capabilities. It was hyped to be AA in the OFFICIAL hype thread, and it failed to even get an A score. If flopped, end of story. Don't try to dance around that.
StringGuard

I don't disagree with that. You want to look at the "official" Haze hype thread and see what cows made the high score claim, fine. Go bash them.

But you can't tell me that you haven't seen what I am talking about. People use this "teh pwnage" to bash PS3, in general, and the PS3, in general. That's my issue. Like anyone out in the real world would go look at a game on a shelf and say, "well, even though it got a 7, 'cows' said it would be a 9. So, I won't get this game." :lol:

Geez will you stop crying already. This is system wars and THIS is what happens when an exclusive flops. All your doing is damage control and looking like a complete idiot. Let the fanboys have fun and leave it be.

[QUOTE="StringGuard"][QUOTE="mingo123"]

errr nobody said that haze would have been better if itwere on wii or 360 :|

mingo123

Anyone with some sort of clue would see that it has nothing to do with the PS3. Yet, every thread we see bashing HAze is basically bashing all of the PS3 and its owners. Its pointless. Its weak.

Why isn't anyone directing "teh pwnage" onto the devs?

coz alot of cows hyped it :| also haze was part of teh uber 08 killer ps3 lineup

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="StringGuard"]

Help me out here. I guess I am missing something.

360 Owners - Tell us how Haze would have scored better if it were on the 360. Tells us what would have been done differently and how the difference in hardware would have improved the score.

Wii Owners - Tell us how Wii could have handled Haze. Tell us how it would have been improved upon on the Wii's hardware to give it a better score.

My point, you have no real good answers. Wanna bash the 50 people in the world who hyped HAze, fine. But acting as if this game's score says anything about PS3 abilities is false.

Maybe I'm missing something. Maybe you got real answers. My guess is, you don't.

StringGuard

You act as if you're not a fanboy, but it's getting pretty obvious which side you're on.. This isn't your first post that would indicate this. Time for a new sig maybe?

I don't blindly support Sony. I see the faults in what they've done, just like the other two. Do you see me *****ing about the Haze score? Do you see me saying it is wrong? Do you see me saying that HAze is good? No, no, no.

But all I see is a bunch of immature children posting on these forums trying to use some lame type of pwnage to bash another faction. Trying to say that because a small handful of predictions were off, we need to create 50 threads an hour telling us how PS3 is failing.

"Couldn't care less."

If anyone's a fanboy, it looks like its you. Sony would be proud if they read this.

What does that have to do with it sucking?

It sucks, what the hell do you want from us? Nothing against the PS3, it's just that Haze sucks.

Get over it.

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]

Maybe you should leave SW if this bothers you. I mean this IS the point of SW, isn't it?

StringGuard

The point of SW is to debate which system is best. And when you debate, you speak on facts.

What you are trying to say is that SW is for bashing otehr gamers. That SW is to bring in whatever ignorant crap you want to as long as its used to bash another faction.

If you really think SW is for that, I feel sorry for you.

Oh my god.. give it up dude! Want some facts? Haze sucks! Deal with it!

Just as I thought, baseless fanboys come in with nothing to add.

StringGuard

Oh, and you are adding so much to this conversation. It couldn't be that people are disagreeing with you because you are wrong, no, it has to be that you are right. You are just as biased as they are towards Haze. Haze was hyped, and it did flop. If you are going to try to rub it in Lemming's faces that Haze is exclusive to PS3, and then it flops, lemmings have the right to rub it in your face right back.

errr nobody said that haze would have been better if itwere on wii or 360 :|

mingo123

exactly. desperate cows grasping for straw, as usual :lol:

cows are so original with damage controls :lol: