Am I the only one not excited for RB6V:2?

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="Uncle_Uzi"][QUOTE="leejohnson7"]

[QUOTE="EVOLV3"]Im not excited at all, I have the first one and I thought it wasnt that good, the campaign wasnt that bad, but the online was horrible.II-FBIsniper-II

Aint that the truth. May I be so bold as to suggest that all P2P online games suck? Leading shots kind of distracts me from the realism tbh.

You're kidding, right?

Leading Shots = realism. I don't know what planet you're from....

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But on topic, Rainbow 2 will be sweet. The first one was fantastic (I can see that some of you prefer Run & Gun over Stop & Pop) - wayyy better than CoD4 could ever hope to be. CoD4 is a joke of a modern shooter. There is no realism in CoD4.

R6 Vegas is anarcade shooter

Also, if you think RSV is an arcade shooter than YOU should seriously play some different FPS games.

Just because it has a slower pace doesent mean it isnt

You have recharging health ffs, and a 3rd person cover system - two simple points that make this apparant.

And the game is hardly a very tactical affair. Its got tactics like flanking, supressing and flusing out - but thats what its limited to -which is the standard affair in many FPS - including Halo. Fact is 'tactics' ist the main focus in the game, the shooting is.

A tactical shooter is Rainbow 6 Raven Shield, or SWAT4. Those are also both realistic shooters.

Oh and beleive me ive played a huge variety of FPS games.....

IM not.

Why?

Rainbow 6 Vegas blows compared to originals.

Id rather go back to playing Raven Shield Athena Sword, and probably will.

skrat_01

I wanted to like Raven Shield but can't due to the stupid A.I. :(

IT IS an arcade shooter.

Just because it has a slower pace doesent mean it isnt

You have recharging health ffs, and a 3rd person cover system - two simple points that make this apparant.

And the game is hardly a very tactical affair. Its got tactics like flanking, supressing and flusing out - but thats what its limited to -which is the standard affair in many FPS - including Halo. Fact is 'tactics' ist the main focus in the game, the shooting is.

A tactical shooter is Rainbow 6 Raven Shield, or SWAT4. Those are also both realistic shooters.

Oh and beleive me ive played a huge variety of FPS games.....

skrat_01

RSV is a team game. It revolves around communication and comparing it to Halo would honestly be the best comparison.

Games like UT and COD are arcade games where you can have everyone silent and it would have little to no change in the game.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]IT IS an arcade shooter.

Just because it has a slower pace doesent mean it isnt

You have recharging health ffs, and a 3rd person cover system - two simple points that make this apparant.

And the game is hardly a very tactical affair. Its got tactics like flanking, supressing and flusing out - but thats what its limited to -which is the standard affair in many FPS - including Halo. Fact is 'tactics' ist the main focus in the game, the shooting is.

A tactical shooter is Rainbow 6 Raven Shield, or SWAT4. Those are also both realistic shooters.

Oh and beleive me ive played a huge variety of FPS games.....

II-FBIsniper-II

RSV is a team game. It revolves around communication and comparing it to Halo would honestly be the best comparison.

Games like UT and COD are arcade games where you can have everyone silent and it would have little to no change in the game.

UT is a twitch shooter. Just like Quake.

RSV is an arcade shooter (collective). Sure it does have tactics splashed onto it, but its primary focus is the combat. It hardly has the tactical depth of plenty of other games out there.

Im talking about the games design aswell, not singleplayer or multiplayer aspects.

Now just because I persoanally dislike the game, doesent mean me calling it a 'arcade shooter' mean that it is a 'bad' game.

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I wanted to like Raven Shield but can't due to the stupid A.I. :(

Lonelynight

Tango A.i isnt anything special though - understandably I guess - but Rainbow operatives preformed quite well according to their individual traits.

CoD is run and gun. It doesent focus on anything rather than point A to B through heavily scripted enviroments whille taking out enemies in cinematic scenarios.

UT is a twitch shooter. Just like Quake.

RSV is an arcade shooter (collective). Sure it does have tactics splashed onto it, but its primary focus is the combat. It hardly has the tactical depth of plenty of other games out there.

Im talking about the games design aswell, not singleplayer or multiplayer aspects.

Now just because I persoanally dislike the game, doesent mean me calling it a 'arcade shooter' mean that it is a 'bad' game.

skrat_01

I understand what you mean and I agree but I don't think "arcade shooter" is a good description for it.

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"][

I wanted to like Raven Shield but can't due to the stupid A.I. :(

skrat_01

Tango A.i isnt anything special though - understandably I guess - but Rainbow operatives preformed quite well according to their individual traits.

Too bad my disk is scratch, I do wish I can have more control over my squad thought(wheretherin SWAT of RS) since I played SWAT 4 couple of days ago and I notice that my teammates would go running off chasing the suspects on their own, and sometimes standing in the doorway doing nothing while the suspects shoot them to death

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]CoD is run and gun. It doesent focus on anything rather than point A to B through heavily scripted enviroments whille taking out enemies in cinematic scenarios.

UT is a twitch shooter. Just like Quake.

RSV is an arcade shooter (collective). Sure it does have tactics splashed onto it, but its primary focus is the combat. It hardly has the tactical depth of plenty of other games out there.

Im talking about the games design aswell, not singleplayer or multiplayer aspects.

Now just because I persoanally dislike the game, doesent mean me calling it a 'arcade shooter' mean that it is a 'bad' game.

II-FBIsniper-II

I understand what you mean and I agree but I don't think "arcade shooter" is a good description for it.

Its not very realistic, its main focus isnt tactics, its main focus is combat, though its slower paced design encourages the player to take cover and make a few tactical decisions (mostly consisting of flanking) .

The term 'arcade shooter' is pretty broad though.

Its like a barstard child. An arcade shooter with tactical elements - but not enough emphesis on tactics to be called a tactical shooter.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="Lonelynight"][

I wanted to like Raven Shield but can't due to the stupid A.I. :(

Lonelynight

Tango A.i isnt anything special though - understandably I guess - but Rainbow operatives preformed quite well according to their individual traits.

Too bad my disk is scratch, I do wish I can have more control over my squad thought(wheretherin SWAT of RS) since I played SWAT 4 couple of days ago and I notice that my teammates would go running off chasing the suspects on their own, and sometimes standing in the doorway doing nothing while the suspects shoot them to death

Rainbow 6 though there was a fair amount of squad control, though the primary tactics was in the pre mission planning - where you determine the total control over up to 16 operatives - where they move, what pace, what engament rules, where to breach and storm, where to cover ect..

Rainbow 6 though there was a fair amount of squad control, though the primary tactics was in the pre mission planning - where you determine the total control over up to 16 operatives - where they move, what pace, what engament rules, where to breach and storm, where to cover ect..

skrat_01

I didn't knew how to use the planner, and when I wanted to learn, I found out that my disk was scrach....

I hope someone make a very realistic game with very realistic A.I. since most realistic or squad base(that I have played) games have very unrealistic A.I. the only ones that have good A.I. that I know of is Brothers in Arms and Republic Commando

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

Rainbow 6 though there was a fair amount of squad control, though the primary tactics was in the pre mission planning - where you determine the total control over up to 16 operatives - where they move, what pace, what engament rules, where to breach and storm, where to cover ect..

Lonelynight

I didn't knew how to use the planner, and when I wanted to learn, I found out that my disk was scrach....

I hope someone make a very realistic game with very realistic A.I. since most realistic or squad base(that I have played) games have very unrealistic A.I. the only ones that have good A.I. that I know of is Brothers in Arms and Republic Commando

I don't get it. Why are gamers asking for realism in video games? Realism is boring. If you want a realistic shooter based on attacking terrorist don't forget the long hours of waiting outside trying to negotiate with terrorist, and then the downtime. Over in Iraq a lot of the soldiers are bored to tears playing X Box 360. Like only 9% of the combat forces are active at one time.

It's a video game, used for escapism. It'll never be realistic since you always have a chance of coming back to life after dying. Face it, realism is freakin boring.

Since we are already off topic, I remember a long time ago I was interested in Full Spectrum Warrior, how did that end up?

I just remembered it after reading this thread.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]CoD is run and gun. It doesent focus on anything rather than point A to B through heavily scripted enviroments whille taking out enemies in cinematic scenarios.

UT is a twitch shooter. Just like Quake.

RSV is an arcade shooter (collective). Sure it does have tactics splashed onto it, but its primary focus is the combat. It hardly has the tactical depth of plenty of other games out there.

Im talking about the games design aswell, not singleplayer or multiplayer aspects.

Now just because I persoanally dislike the game, doesent mean me calling it a 'arcade shooter' mean that it is a 'bad' game.

II-FBIsniper-II

I understand what you mean and I agree but I don't think "arcade shooter" is a good description for it.

It's the only description for it. It's Call of Duty with more emphasis on cover. No one who has played tactical FPSes during the early 2000s would call the current Rainbow Six or GRAW games "tactical shooters" and still keep a straight face.

Which is too bad, because I think the market is ripe now for a hyper-realistic, in-depth tactical shooter. Personally, I hope CryTek takes up the task. An old school Rainbow Six-type tactical game with the physics, destructibility, and open-endedness to mission construction as Crysis would RAWK.

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]

Rainbow 6 though there was a fair amount of squad control, though the primary tactics was in the pre mission planning - where you determine the total control over up to 16 operatives - where they move, what pace, what engament rules, where to breach and storm, where to cover ect..

majadamus

I didn't knew how to use the planner, and when I wanted to learn, I found out that my disk was scrach....

I hope someone make a very realistic game with very realistic A.I. since most realistic or squad base(that I have played) games have very unrealistic A.I. the only ones that have good A.I. that I know of is Brothers in Arms and Republic Commando

I don't get it. Why are gamers asking for realism in video games? Realism is boring. If you want a realistic shooter based on attacking terrorist don't forget the long hours of waiting outside trying to negotiate with terrorist, and then the downtime. Over in Iraq a lot of the soldiers are bored to tears playing X Box 360. Like only 9% of the combat forces are active at one time.

It's a video game, used for escapism. It'll never be realistic since you always have a chance of coming back to life after dying. Face it, realism is freakin boring.

I disagree with that statement. Hypothetically a completely realistic shooter that translated all the action from a battlefield on to oyur gaming system would be in my opinion extremely exciting. Likewise a 100 percent recreation of a sport, say hockey, would be awesome as well. I think part of the reason we play games is to experience a life we ourselves would never get to try ordinarily. For instance, I'll never play in the NHL, but playing a hockey videogame partly makes me feel like I am an actual hockey player. Look at Rock Band, the whole game is trying to immerse you in the experience of forming and performing with friends in, well a rock band. Something very few of us will get to do in the real world

Sure some people may prefer more arcade like experiences in their gaming, but to say realism is boring is completely untrue.

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]

Rainbow 6 though there was a fair amount of squad control, though the primary tactics was in the pre mission planning - where you determine the total control over up to 16 operatives - where they move, what pace, what engament rules, where to breach and storm, where to cover ect..

majadamus

I didn't knew how to use the planner, and when I wanted to learn, I found out that my disk was scrach....

I hope someone make a very realistic game with very realistic A.I. since most realistic or squad base(that I have played) games have very unrealistic A.I. the only ones that have good A.I. that I know of is Brothers in Arms and Republic Commando

I don't get it. Why are gamers asking for realism in video games? Realism is boring. If you want a realistic shooter based on attacking terrorist don't forget the long hours of waiting outside trying to negotiate with terrorist, and then the downtime. Over in Iraq a lot of the soldiers are bored to tears playing X Box 360. Like only 9% of the combat forces are active at one time.

It's a video game, used for escapism. It'll never be realistic since you always have a chance of coming back to life after dying. Face it, realism is freakin boring.

Look at Operation Flashpoint, ArmA, SWAT (series), Rainbow Six (before vegas and lockdown), Red Orchestra, Insurgancy - amoung others. Just because these games realisictically depict combat, doesnt mean they arent fun to play.

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]

Rainbow 6 though there was a fair amount of squad control, though the primary tactics was in the pre mission planning - where you determine the total control over up to 16 operatives - where they move, what pace, what engament rules, where to breach and storm, where to cover ect..

majadamus

I didn't knew how to use the planner, and when I wanted to learn, I found out that my disk was scrach....

I hope someone make a very realistic game with very realistic A.I. since most realistic or squad base(that I have played) games have very unrealistic A.I. the only ones that have good A.I. that I know of is Brothers in Arms and Republic Commando

I don't get it. Why are gamers asking for realism in video games? Realism is boring. If you want a realistic shooter based on attacking terrorist don't forget the long hours of waiting outside trying to negotiate with terrorist, and then the downtime. Over in Iraq a lot of the soldiers are bored to tears playing X Box 360. Like only 9% of the combat forces are active at one time.

It's a video game, used for escapism. It'll never be realistic since you always have a chance of coming back to life after dying. Face it, realism is freakin boring.

I'll never get the chance to be in actual combat so I do it in a video game