Am I the only one who doesn't like Western RPG's?

Don't be a child and enlarge your horizon instead of following the crowd, Final Fantasy is a extremely poor example of what the height of JRPGs are, regardless of what the journalists might tell you.

The best in that series (FF6,7,8,9) are infinitely inferior (so inferior it's not even funny) to the best the genre has to offer (Chrono Trigger, Persona 2: Innocent Sin, Xenogears, Vagrant Story).

Lucianu

I think you need to love Anime/Manga to like Jrpg over Wrpg. Its pretty much a fact.All the people i know who like Jrpg are all Anime fanatics, and all the people who dont like Anime, like Wrpg more, this is how it is.As for me, while i do watch anime once in a while, i think that most of the Jrpg (like most of Anime)sucks.I hate the fact that i need to read wall of text every 5 min, since when games are for watching?"but story is all that matter"Want to know where the storyline is the only thing that matter? books.When i want to play, i want to PLAY.Jrpg can die for all i care.

Jane_22

I prefer WRPGs over JRPGs.

He was being sarcastic, making fun of the TC and another poster for not liking wrpgs because they didn't like Bethesda games.

cain006

Man, i don't care about his intent. My post is directed to all.

"but story is all that matter"

Want to know where the storyline is the only thing that matter? books.

When i want to play, i want to PLAY.

Jane_22

And games, and movies, and comic books. What people like yourself don't understand yet, is that certain types/genres have different emphasis. Adventure games for example have strong focus on a story, wile arcade shooters on twitch gameplay with a 0% focus on story.

I don,t like them either, I think oblivion is the only one I finished. There is just something about them that I can't get into. I brought the witcher cause I heard great things about it and about 2 hours into it I call it quits. It's not an horrible game but I just find it boring.

There are lots of people that don't like WRPGs, I don't like them in general (though there are rare exceptions, i.e. almost anything made by Bioware), but I prefer JRPGs. However, note that this is a mostly western site, it's not unusual that there are more people that like WRPGs here.

I actually like how Bethesda gives you the freedom to do what you want.

I suggest you play the games Whiteblade999 recommended, and to that i'll ad:

• Fallout 2 (with the restoration mod)
• Temple of Elemental Evil (the greatest representation of DnD on the PC, and one of the best games ever made)
• Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magick Obscura (easily one of the best RPGs ever made)

[QUOTE="TailBlood"]

Well I don't like Final Fantasy, Jrpg's suck.

Lucianu

Don't be a child and enlarge your horizon instead of following the crowd, Final Fantasy is a extremely poor example of what the height of JRPGs are, regardless of what the journalists might tell you.

The best in that series (FF6,7,8,9) are infinitely inferior (so inferior it's not even funny) to the best the genre has to offer (Chrono Trigger, Persona 2: Innocent Sin, Xenogears, Vagrant Story).

Heard Fallout 2 was a RTS. RTS's are not my style. Never could get into one. And did anyone mention Dragon Quest 8 for the PS2? Best JRPG I've ever played in my life. Morrowind and Oblivion have nothing on that game. The story and character devolpment were wayyy more intresting.

This gen? They're kind of disappointing. As are Japanese role-playing games.

OT: Can anyone recommend me a good RPG (Western or Japanese, I really don't care) to play? I only have $30 to spend and I don't like Oblivion (on consoles at least, never bought it when I got my PC because I hated the console version so much. Maybe mods would make it playable) so don't recommend that.

I like them. I don't care for the elder scrolls series though.

The reason why you liked ME 2 is probably because it's more of a shooter than anything else, WRPG are not made for the impatient and trigger happy, they are not suppoused to play as shooters or hack'n slash games otherwise they wouldn't be RPGs, you're suppoused to somewhat hit or miss because of your stats/enemy stats of course, otherwise you might as well not have any stats.

this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cJNpPN6AO8

Not everyone is going to like every genre. I really enjoyed certain western rpgs. Baldur's Gate 2 and Planescape Torment are still 2 of the best games I have ever played and may be the 2 best rpgs ever made.

I suggest you play the games Whiteblade999 recommended, and to that i'll ad:

• Fallout 2 (with the restoration mod)
• Temple of Elemental Evil (the greatest representation of DnD on the PC, and one of the best games ever made)
• Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magick Obscura (easily one of the best RPGs ever made)

[QUOTE="TailBlood"]

Well I don't like Final Fantasy, Jrpg's suck.

Lucianu

Don't be a child and enlarge your horizon instead of following the crowd, Final Fantasy is a extremely poor example of what the height of JRPGs are, regardless of what the journalists might tell you.

The best in that series (FF6,7,8,9) are infinitely inferior (so inferior it's not even funny) to the best the genre has to offer (Chrono Trigger, Persona 2: Innocent Sin, Xenogears, Vagrant Story).

You've played P2:IS!?

I think you need to love Anime/Manga to like Jrpg over Wrpg. Its pretty much a fact.

All the people i know who like Jrpg are all Anime fanatics, and all the people who dont like Anime, like Wrpg more, this is how it is.

As for me, while i do watch anime once in a while, i think that most of the Jrpg (like most of Anime)sucks.

I hate the fact that i need to read wall of text every 5 min, since when games are for watching?

"but story is all that matter"

Want to know where the storyline is the only thing that matter? books.

When i want to play, i want to PLAY.

Jrpg can die for all i care.

Jane_22

It may be ignorant for me to say, but i tend to agree with ^^ for the most part.

With that said, I would not want JRPG's to die, but I would like to see more JRPG's go the way of Demon's/Dark Souls. Truely amazing piece of JRPG work right there.

this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cJNpPN6AO8

Jane_22

ahahahaha, ah how I hate Jrpgs.

This gen? They're kind of disappointing. As are Japanese role-playing games.

OT: Can anyone recommend me a good RPG (Western or Japanese, I really don't care) to play? I only have $30 to spend and I don't like Oblivion (on consoles at least, never bought it when I got my PC because I hated the console version so much. Maybe mods would make it playable) so don't recommend that.

Koney89

You could try Dragon Age Origins: Ultimate Edition or Tales of Vesperia if you have a 360. Lost Odyssey is also a good jrpg from this gen but again is only on the 360.

I've been a believer ever since KotOR. Elraptor

That was another one I liked. Dragon Age was okay as well. I think I mainly do have a problem with Bethseda games, the story doesn't seem to make sense, they expect you to be a master at the game even though you've only played it for the first time. When you don't show me what quest advances the main story, that really can get annoying from time to time. Yes I'm talking to you Morrowind and Oblivion.

Heard Fallout 2 was a RTS. RTS's are not my style. Never could get into one. And did anyone mention Dragon Quest 8 for the PS2? Best JRPG I've ever played in my life. Morrowind and Oblivion have nothing on that game. The story and character devolpment were wayyy more intresting.

Ikouze

That was another one I liked. Dragon Age was okay as well. I think I mainly do have a problem with Bethseda games, the story doesn't seem to make sense, they expect you to be a master at the game even though you've only played it for the first time. When you don't show me what quest advances the main story, that really can get annoying from time to time. Yes I'm talking to you Morrowind and Oblivion.

Ikouze

I'm rather saddened by the fact that so many people in this thread say they don't like WRPGs, but only cite Bethesda games as the ones they've tried :(

Hey some western RPG's are great! Like....

Um...

Uhhh....

Try Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines. The first 3/4 of the game is amazing. Alpha Protocol is also a wrpg not in midieval or sci fi.

cain006

I don't like RPG in general but all those that I like are WRPGs... ME2 especially, which is a true masterpiece. But Dragon Age for exemple, I tryed it multiple times and I can't like it.

Mass Effect 2 was the only one I liked...Morrowind was an absolute terrible game....I created my character and I had no idea what to do next...They just throw you into the world without a clue of what to do and say have fun. Not to mention there was no fast travel and you had to walk EVERYWHERE. It was such a pain...In Fallout 3 it felt like it was impossible to aim without using V.A.T.S. I'm aiming straight at this guy and he seems to dodge every bullet like he's freakin Neo. And why almost every Western RPG be Medevil Fantasy based or Futuristic Sci-Fi based? It seems like they never come out of these two categories. I'd like to see some diffrent variety.I miss the old days of RPG's on the PS2...there were so many good ones....Now there's hardly any memorable ones on 360/PS3. I know I can't be the only one who likes these Western made RPG's....anyone else share my opinion?

Ikouze

I think you may be in the same boat as me. You don't hate WRPGs, just Bethesda RPGs (Eldar scrolls &Fallout)

I hate they way Bethesda does RPGs, they just come off as borring

You should try other WRPGs like Dragon Age & Kotor (old now, but still great)

Also, if you have a gaming rig, I've heard nothing but love for Witcher 2

I like WRPG's but I do agree that if you played a couple, you basically played most of 'em.

ABCarmine

[QUOTE="phantomblade220"]

Agreed 100% with the topic. I love the Mass Effect series, but when my cousin let me borrow Oblivion I thought it was so boring. It was his favorite game ever so he shouted all these praises upon it. I'm sure it's a great game, but the world was just so big. I had no idea where to go, what to do, and everything felt to slow and boring. As much as people like Fallout 3, I refuse to buy it because I know I'll just be wasting my money. And I'm one of the few here who wants no part of Skyrim. I'm not saying WRPG's are bad, they just aren't for me.

Final Fantasy all the way 8)

TailBlood

Uh none really, I always thought that Bethesda was the king of WRPG's, so if I didn't like their games, I wouldn't like anyone else's either.

[QUOTE="TailBlood"]

[QUOTE="phantomblade220"]

Agreed 100% with the topic. I love the Mass Effect series, but when my cousin let me borrow Oblivion I thought it was so boring. It was his favorite game ever so he shouted all these praises upon it. I'm sure it's a great game, but the world was just so big. I had no idea where to go, what to do, and everything felt to slow and boring. As much as people like Fallout 3, I refuse to buy it because I know I'll just be wasting my money. And I'm one of the few here who wants no part of Skyrim. I'm not saying WRPG's are bad, they just aren't for me.

Final Fantasy all the way 8)

phantomblade220

Uh none really, I always thought that Bethesda was the king of WRPG's, so if I didn't like their games, I wouldn't like anyone else's either.

I'm sure you're not the only one, but you're in the minority.

I don't have fun with JRPGs. Ever.

I dislike every Western RPG Ive seen and played except for Oblivion and Skyrim. I mainly hate the idea of choosing your own path as that means a less focused story. Developers need control of your choices so the story can be good.

USBxDVD

Bioware shows that you don't need to control the choices to make the story good.

[QUOTE="cain006"]

Try Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines. The first 3/4 of the game is amazing. Alpha Protocol is also a wrpg not in midieval or sci fi.

lightleggy

i love wrpgs and hate them, they are one of the things destroying jrpgs but they are reallly good games even though in the past 2 years they feel like they are becoming action games because they are getting so very narrowed down

[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="cain006"]

Try Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines. The first 3/4 of the game is amazing. Alpha Protocol is also a wrpg not in midieval or sci fi.

cain006

[QUOTE="cain006"]

[QUOTE="lightleggy"] are you seriously reccomending alpha protocol?lightleggy

It's got a 72 metacritic, and a 7.4 user score, so I wouldn't say people think it's that bad.

Overall: Tabletop>WRPGs>JRPGs.
This Gen: JRPGs>WRPGs.

Bioware and Bethesda have been consistantly terrible this generation churning out half baked, broken games such as Oblivion and Fallout 3 or repetitive chores such as Dragon Age Origins. However, I with that said, WRPGs are hardly dead. There are some excellent ones out there however such as Eschalon books, Fallout New Vegas, Drakensang: The River of Time, Kings Bounty, Depths of Peril, The Witcher, Mount and Blade and Avernum 2+3. Age of Decadence might join this list soon as well.

JRPGs, well I used to hate them this generation, until I decided to dig deep for them, and I found a whole lot of gems.

And,unlike other type of RPG´s,you actually affect events in the world on many WRPG´s.

Arach666

There are JRPGs that let you influence the events in the world. One that comes on the top of my mind does it at Witcher 2 levels.

I created my character and I had no idea what to do next...They just throw you into the world without a clue of what to do and say have fun. Not to mention there was no fast travel and you had to walk EVERYWHERE. It was such a pain..Ikouze