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#1 rocoswav
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Nuff said

 

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System wars is over. 

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Memory_Performance_chart_v3.png

Nuff said

 

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The ps4 is thus confirmed to be 40% more powerfull in memory and 50% in GPU...sad day for lemmings.
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Why does power matter so much to console gamers?

The Xbox was multiple times more powerful than the PS2. It wasn't simply 50% more....More like 500% more.

Everyone chose the PS2 anyways because it had the most games.

 

There is nothing about the power difference between the PS4 and Xbox One that's going to actually change the gaming experience between the two systems. It'll be an almost indifferential amount (thanks to diminishing returns) that you won't know exists without going to pixel counting sites like Digital Foundry.

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#6 The_Stand_In
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Welcome to the futuristic world of 2008, folks!

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#7 ShaineTheNerd
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Link? And is this talking about ram or GPU memory?
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#8 XBOunity
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shaine your sig is true.  

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#9 Far_RockNYC
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:lol:AMD

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#11 Tessellation
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dat damage control is scaling,DF article sure did a big damage :cool: #staymadanshiet..
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#12 DrTrafalgarLaw
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:lol:AMD

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Your precious XB1 GPU is made by AMD, you priaspismic phallus. :?
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#13 rocoswav
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Link? And is this talking about ram or GPU memory?ShaineTheNerd

http://www.amd.com/us/products/technologies/gddr5/Pages/gddr5.aspx 

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Why does power matter so much to console gamers?

The Xbox was multiple times more powerful than the PS2. It wasn't simply 50% more....More like 500% more.

Everyone chose the PS2 anyways because it had the most games.

 

There is nothing about the power difference between the PS4 and Xbox One that's going to actually change the gaming experience between the two systems. It'll be an almost indifferential amount (thanks to diminishing returns) that you won't know exists without going to pixel counting sites like Digital Foundry.

Ly_the_Fairy
500%? lol wtf are you talking about
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Why does power matter so much to console gamers?

The Xbox was multiple times more powerful than the PS2. It wasn't simply 50% more....More like 500% more.

Everyone chose the PS2 anyways because it had the most games.

 

There is nothing about the power difference between the PS4 and Xbox One that's going to actually change the gaming experience between the two systems. It'll be an almost indifferential amount (thanks to diminishing returns) that you won't know exists without going to pixel counting sites like Digital Foundry.

Ly_the_Fairy
Not sure, I already stressed that the ps2 was weak, but it still was the most popular console because of the games. If people want power and graphics go to the pc. As I've stated many times before, graphics mean nothing if the gameplay and story suck.
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dat damage control is scaling,DF article sure did a big damage :cool: #staymadanshiet.. Tessellation

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#17 deactivated-5ba16896d1cc2
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...lol i know lemmings have built up anger and sourness over the past few weeks/months look how fast they jump on these new threads damage controlling copy and pasting basically the same sentences to try and damage control as much as possible. They jump on it asap ... LOL whats up system wars same old shit huh
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http://www.amd.com/us/products/technologies/gddr5/Pages/gddr5.aspx 

rocoswav

You need some reading comprehension lessons, man. That link is refering to GRAPHICS CARD memory NOT system memory.

From the damn article: GDDR5 is the de facto memory standard for todays high performance GPUs equip your notebooks with the latest and greatest technology! ", "Notebooks equipped with AMD Radeon HD 6000M Series GPUs and GDDR5 memory can enable up to 20% better graphics performance with minimal impact in battery life."

again:

Welcome to the futuristic world of 2008, folks!

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Does anyone else notice how the more diehard Cows pick and choose what threads they post in? Hilarious. No reason for this not to be in that othr thread. The one most Cows are avoiding.

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#20 uninspiredcup  Online
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Looks like the pc wins agan. Ah wells.

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#21 Shewgenja
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I guess this would have been special if the PS4 only had 4GBs of RAM vs XBone having 8.

 

Since that's not the case, looks like OP is grandstanding for nothing.

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[QUOTE="Far_RockNYC"]

:lol:AMD

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Your precious XB1 GPU is made by AMD, you priaspismic phallus. :?

 

:lol: Lems :lol: they dont even know whats in there Box :lol:

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Lems = owned
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[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="Far_RockNYC"]

:lol:AMD

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Your precious XB1 GPU is made by AMD, you priaspismic phallus. :?

 

:lol: Lems :lol: they dont even know whats in there Box :lol:

LOL...LOL
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[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="Far_RockNYC"]

:lol:AMD

Soul4Survivor

Your precious XB1 GPU is made by AMD, you priaspismic phallus. :?

 

:lol: Lems :lol: they dont even know whats in there Box :lol:

:lol: Moronic lems.
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[QUOTE="Soul4Survivor"]

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"] Your precious XB1 GPU is made by AMD, you priaspismic phallus. :?Kaz_Son

 

:lol: Lems :lol: they dont even know whats in there Box :lol:

:lol: Moronic lems.

"O... I dawt it was Nveedia in my eggz box 1"
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Why does power matter so much to console gamers?

The Xbox was multiple times more powerful than the PS2. It wasn't simply 50% more....More like 500% more.

Everyone chose the PS2 anyways because it had the most games.

 

There is nothing about the power difference between the PS4 and Xbox One that's going to actually change the gaming experience between the two systems. It'll be an almost indifferential amount (thanks to diminishing returns) that you won't know exists without going to pixel counting sites like Digital Foundry.

Ly_the_Fairy

If they care so much about graphics and performance they should be gaming on a PC.

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#28 Kaz_Son
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[QUOTE="Kaz_Son"][QUOTE="Soul4Survivor"]

 

:lol: Lems :lol: they dont even know whats in there Box :lol:

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:lol: Moronic lems.

"O... I dawt it was Nveedia in my eggz box 1"

:lol:
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#29 Ly_the_Fairy
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[QUOTE="Ly_the_Fairy"]

Why does power matter so much to console gamers?

The Xbox was multiple times more powerful than the PS2. It wasn't simply 50% more....More like 500% more.

Everyone chose the PS2 anyways because it had the most games.

 

There is nothing about the power difference between the PS4 and Xbox One that's going to actually change the gaming experience between the two systems. It'll be an almost indifferential amount (thanks to diminishing returns) that you won't know exists without going to pixel counting sites like Digital Foundry.

2ndWonder

Not sure, I already stressed that the ps2 was weak, but it still was the most popular console because of the games. If people want power and graphics go to the pc. As I've stated many times before, graphics mean nothing if the gameplay and story suck.

 

And it's on such a limited spectrum to.

It's like if I have $2, and you have $3, you have 50% more money than me, but you don't really have much more money than me.

It's different if I have $200, and you have $300. Now you have actually quite a bit more money than me, but still 50% more overall.

I think that's the one thing many people don't quite realize. The jump in power from the Xbox One to PS4 just isn't that big at all. Games will look about even, and there won't be anything gameplay-wise that's possible on the PS4 that's impossible on the Xbox One.

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original.jpg.

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#31 Heil68
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Everyone knows the PS4 is the most powerful console in video game history. It's pointless to say the same thing over and over.
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The Xbox One GPU has 32MB L4 cache and move engines with custom texture tiling and LZ compression / decompression hardware, which negates the PS4's GDDR5 advantage...
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The Xbox One GPU has 32MB L4 cache and move engines with custom texture tiling and LZ compression / decompression hardware, which negates the PS4's GDDR5 advantage...superclocked
Yep, why they keep wanking over this is also a mystery to me I have my pc for high end graphics lol The PS4 is not worth it's weight in piss
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The Xbox One GPU has 32MB L4 cache and move engines with custom texture tiling and LZ compression / decompression hardware, which negates the PS4's GDDR5 advantage...superclocked
all that doesnt magically add bandwidth though, more bandwidth =more you can do and produce on screen

 

and the PS4 gpu has a 50% shader advantage and 6 more CU's 

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[QUOTE="superclocked"]The Xbox One GPU has 32MB L4 cache and move engines with custom texture tiling and LZ compression / decompression hardware, which negates the PS4's GDDR5 advantage...xboxiphoneps3

all that doesnt magically add bandwidth though, more bandwidth =more you can do and produce on screen

 

and the PS4 gpu has a 50% shader advantage and 6 more CU's 

True. Lemmings keep on trying to wish away PS4's obvious GPU advantage. Dunno why. They keep talking about RAM like RAM is the only thing needed for graphics and neglect the GPU which is the most importnat aspect.
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TLHBO. Its over. 

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[QUOTE="superclocked"]The Xbox One GPU has 32MB L4 cache and move engines with custom texture tiling and LZ compression / decompression hardware, which negates the PS4's GDDR5 advantage...xboxiphoneps3

all that doesnt magically add bandwidth though, more bandwidth =more you can do and produce on screen

 

and the PS4 gpu has a 50% shader advantage and 6 more CU's 

Yes, the PS4's GPU is definitely better. But, you're looking at the DDR3 vs GDDR5 bandwidth comparison without considering the XBox One's custom hardware. With the 32MB of L4 cache, custom tiling hardware, and custom lossless compression and decompression hardware, the only advantage that the GDDR5 has is ease of use for developers. In the end, the performance of both systems are very close to one another...
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Nuff said

 

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lol better 3d graphics, worse overall performance ;)
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[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"]

[QUOTE="superclocked"]The Xbox One GPU has 32MB L4 cache and move engines with custom texture tiling and LZ compression / decompression hardware, which negates the PS4's GDDR5 advantage...superclocked

all that doesnt magically add bandwidth though, more bandwidth =more you can do and produce on screen

 

and the PS4 gpu has a 50% shader advantage and 6 more CU's 

Yes, the PS4's GPU is definitely better. But, you're looking at the DDR3 vs GDDR5 bandwidth comparison without considering the XBox One's custom hardware. With the 32MB of L4 cache, custom tiling hardware, and custom lossless compression and decompression hardware, the only advantage that the GDDR5 has is ease of use for developers. In the end, the performance of both systems are very close to one another...

lol no. GPU>>>>RAM any day if you're talking about graphics and no GDDR5 is still an advanatge over DDR3 despite ESRAM on the XB1.
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[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"]

[QUOTE="superclocked"]The Xbox One GPU has 32MB L4 cache and move engines with custom texture tiling and LZ compression / decompression hardware, which negates the PS4's GDDR5 advantage...superclocked

all that doesnt magically add bandwidth though, more bandwidth =more you can do and produce on screen

 

and the PS4 gpu has a 50% shader advantage and 6 more CU's 

Yes, the PS4's GPU is definitely better. But, you're looking at the DDR3 vs GDDR5 bandwidth comparison without considering the XBox One's custom hardware. With the 32MB of L4 cache, custom tiling hardware, and custom lossless compression and decompression hardware, the only advantage that the GDDR5 has is ease of use for developers. In the end, the performance of both systems are very close to one another...

32 mb is not much at all, there is only 32 mb of fast ram in the system, thats not going to speed up the slow ddr3 ram, the move engines wont speed it up either All that stuff does is try to band aid the performance gap between ps4 and xb1 bandwidth. And still cant change the fact ps4 gpu has noticeably more power
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shaine your sig is true.  

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[QUOTE="superclocked"][QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"] all that doesnt magically add bandwidth though, more bandwidth =more you can do and produce on screen

 

and the PS4 gpu has a 50% shader advantage and 6 more CU's 

Kaz_Son
Yes, the PS4's GPU is definitely better. But, you're looking at the DDR3 vs GDDR5 bandwidth comparison without considering the XBox One's custom hardware. With the 32MB of L4 cache, custom tiling hardware, and custom lossless compression and decompression hardware, the only advantage that the GDDR5 has is ease of use for developers. In the end, the performance of both systems are very close to one another...

lol no. GPU>>>>RAM any day if you're talking about graphics and no GDDR5 is still an advanatge over DDR3 despite ESRAM on the XB1.

Uuum, I'm well aware that the PS4 has a better GPU. It was the firs sentence in my post :|
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#46 superclocked
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32 mb is not much at all, there is only 32 mb of fast ram in the system, thats not going to speed up the slow ddr3 ram, the move engines wont speed it up eitherxboxiphoneps3
The 32MB of cache will speed up the GPU, as well as help with the lack of GDDR5 RAM. The main thing that you're ignoring is the fact that the move engines are linked to the eSRAM and RAM and uses custom texture tiling hardware that provides PRT without a performance hit, unlike the PS4. The move engines also have custom lossless compression and decompression hardware, which means that the XBox One doesn't need nearly as much RAM bandwidth to begin...
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[QUOTE="Kaz_Son"][QUOTE="superclocked"]Yes, the PS4's GPU is definitely better. But, you're looking at the DDR3 vs GDDR5 bandwidth comparison without considering the XBox One's custom hardware. With the 32MB of L4 cache, custom tiling hardware, and custom lossless compression and decompression hardware, the only advantage that the GDDR5 has is ease of use for developers. In the end, the performance of both systems are very close to one another...superclocked
lol no. GPU>>>>RAM any day if you're talking about graphics and no GDDR5 is still an advanatge over DDR3 despite ESRAM on the XB1.

Uuum, I'm well aware that the PS4 has a better GPU. It was the firs sentence in my post :|

That's not what I was talking about. I was saying that GPU is more important than RAM when it comes to graphics. Even if PS4's RAM advantage isn't as big as you say the GPU advantage is significant enough to ensure that both systems won't be identical in performance. PS4 has a significant advantage anyway you look at it.

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[QUOTE="ShaineTheNerd"]Link? And is this talking about ram or GPU memory?rocoswav

http://www.amd.com/us/products/technologies/gddr5/Pages/gddr5.aspx 

Is the PS4 GPU GDDR5 like the ram?
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#49 superclocked
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[QUOTE="superclocked"][QUOTE="Kaz_Son"]lol no. GPU>>>>RAM any day if you're talking about graphics and no GDDR5 is still an advanatge over DDR3 despite ESRAM on the XB1.Kaz_Son
Uuum, I'm well aware that the PS4 has a better GPU. It was the firs sentence in my post :|

Taht's not what I was talking about. I was saying that GPU is more important than RAM when it comes to graphics. Even if PS4's RAM advantage isn't as big as you say the GPU advantage is significant enough to ensure that both systems won't be identical.

True, but hopefully the upclock rumor from first party devs is true. An increase to just 950MHz would make it 1.84 TFLOPS vs 1.46 TFLOPS. But, even at 1.23 TFLOPS, the XBox One GPU is only 33% slower than the PS4 GPU. That's really not all that much. If someone wants the most powerful system, they should really be gaming on PC. My $200 GCN GPU put out 3.69 TFLOPS @ 1.2GHz...
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[QUOTE="Kaz_Son"][QUOTE="superclocked"]Uuum, I'm well aware that the PS4 has a better GPU. It was the firs sentence in my post :|superclocked
Taht's not what I was talking about. I was saying that GPU is more important than RAM when it comes to graphics. Even if PS4's RAM advantage isn't as big as you say the GPU advantage is significant enough to ensure that both systems won't be identical.

True, but hopefully the upclock rumor from first party devs is true. An increase to just 950MHz would make it 1.84 TFLOPS vs 1.46 TFLOPS. But, even at 1.23 TFLOPS, the XBox One GPU is only 33% slower than the PS4 GPU. That's really not all that much. If someone wants the most powerful system, they should really be gaming on PC. My $200 GCN GPU put out 3.69 TFLOPS @ 1.2GHz...

True, PC gaming wins either way but the PS4 is still more powerful than the XB1 for $100 cheaper and that's significant IMO.