AMD - Xbox 720 graphics will look like Avatar

True or not...at least MS is focused on hardware for the next Xbox.KC_Hokie

You mean by using APUs, which at the moment, are bad for gaming?

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]True or not...at least MS is focused on hardware for the next Xbox.ChubbyGuy40

You mean by using APUs, which at the moment, are bad for gaming?

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]True or not...at least MS is focused on hardware for the next Xbox.ChubbyGuy40

You mean by using APUs, which at the moment, are bad for gaming?

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]True or not...at least MS is focused on hardware for the next Xbox.ChubbyGuy40

You mean by using APUs, which at the moment, are bad for gaming?

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]True or not...at least MS is focused on hardware for the next Xbox.gmaster456

You mean by using APUs, which at the moment, are bad for gaming?

And, again, these are the very first APUs. AMD is coming out with new ones every 3-4 months. By the time the next Xbox is ready who knows what will be available. I'm glad MS is focused on hardware for the next Xbox.

[QUOTE="gmaster456"][QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

You mean by using APUs, which at the moment, are bad for gaming?

KC_Hokie

And, again, these are the very first APUs. AMD is coming out with new ones every 3-4 months. By the time the next Xbox is ready who knows what will be available. I'm glad MS is focused on hardware for the next Xbox.

If you want to speculate, do look into it, we're a very long way off.

Google is readily available and you're free to enhance your knowledge.

We'ere nowhere near Avatar, except from storytelling but we did surpass that particular movie centuries ago in that aspect.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="gmaster456"] They are not "bad" for gaming, they are certainly no 6970 but they are no slouch either, they are good for most games on medium including Crysis 2, No dx11 at 900p which is better than consoles. Filthybastrd

And, again, these are the very first APUs. AMD is coming out with new ones every 3-4 months. By the time the next Xbox is ready who knows what will be available. I'm glad MS is focused on hardware for the next Xbox.

If you want to speculate, do look into it, we're a very long way off.

Google is readily available and you're free to enhance your knowledge.

We'ere nowhere near Avatar, except from storytelling but we did surpass that particular movie centuries ago in that aspect.

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]And when you combine the APUs with a discrete GPU that boosts the graphical power by 40%.

And, again, these are the very first APUs. AMD is coming out with new ones every 3-4 months. By the time the next Xbox is ready who knows what will be available. I'm glad MS is focused on hardware for the next Xbox.

KC_Hokie

If you want to speculate, do look into it, we're a very long way off.

Google is readily available and you're free to enhance your knowledge.

We'ere nowhere near Avatar, except from storytelling but we did surpass that particular movie centuries ago in that aspect.

So what were you saying then? Nothing of relevance?

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

If you want to speculate, do look into it, we're a very long way off.

Google is readily available and you're free to enhance your knowledge.

We'ere nowhere near Avatar, except from storytelling but we did surpass that particular movie centuries ago in that aspect.

Filthybastrd

So what were you saying then?

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]I wasn't speculating. I was referring to the APUs already on the market. And I said nothing about Avatar. KC_Hokie

So what were you saying then?

No, you just did'nt say anything relevant.... We're far from Avatar quality, which this thread is about, and you did'nt contribute with any insight into how we're going to achieve that, eventhough you apparently think next gen consoles will.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

So what were you saying then?

Filthybastrd

No, you just did'nt say anything relevant.... We're far from Avatar quality, which this thread is about, and you did'nt contribute with any insight into how we're going to achieve that, eventhough you apparently think next gen consoles will.

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]You could try reading my post first. That's a good start. Arguing about Avatar or whatever you were saying proves you didn't read my post.KC_Hokie

No, you just did'nt say anything relevant.... We're far from Avatar quality, which this thread is about, and you did'nt contribute with any insight into how we're going to achieve that, eventhough you apparently think next gen consoles will.

I did read your post, how's it relevant?

APU won't approach Avatar quality at all, which this this thread is about. Besides, your rambling about discrete gfx in combo with APU is derivative of SLI/XF so are you sure you have any comprehension of your ideas?

who would believe something like this for even a second?

i guess it can look like anything in a cut scene but realtime? gimme a break.

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]And when you combine the APUs with a discrete GPU that boosts the graphical power by 40%.

And, again, these are the very first APUs. AMD is coming out with new ones every 3-4 months. By the time the next Xbox is ready who knows what will be available. I'm glad MS is focused on hardware for the next Xbox.

KC_Hokie

If you want to speculate, do look into it, we're a very long way off.

Google is readily available and you're free to enhance your knowledge.

We'ere nowhere near Avatar, except from storytelling but we did surpass that particular movie centuries ago in that aspect.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

No, you just did'nt say anything relevant.... We're far from Avatar quality, which this thread is about, and you did'nt contribute with any insight into how we're going to achieve that, eventhough you apparently think next gen consoles will.

Filthybastrd

I did read your post, how's it relevant?

APU won't approach Avatar quality at all, which this this thread is about. Besides, your rambling about discrete gfx in combo with APU is derivative of SLI/XF so are you sure you have any comprehension of your ideas?

And APUs being combined with discrete GPUs is already being used. Nothing theoretical there.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

If you want to speculate, do look into it, we're a very long way off.

Google is readily available and you're free to enhance your knowledge.

We'ere nowhere near Avatar, except from storytelling but we did surpass that particular movie centuries ago in that aspect.

savagetwinkie

APU won't approach Avatar quality at all

Filthybastrd

Since you clearly know the future, is there anything else those of us still stuck in 2011 might like to know?

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

No, you just did'nt say anything relevant.... We're far from Avatar quality, which this thread is about, and you did'nt contribute with any insight into how we're going to achieve that, eventhough you apparently think next gen consoles will.

Filthybastrd

I did read your post, how's it relevant?

APU won't approach Avatar quality at all, which this this thread is about. Besides, your rambling about discrete gfx in combo with APU is derivative of SLI/XF so are you sure you have any comprehension of your ideas?

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]I wasn't speculating. I was referring to the APUs already on the market. And I said nothing about Avatar. KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] umm an APU is just a integrated GPU built into the CPU, its just faster because they no longer have to talk over a bus, they have an "apu" in the xbox slim. and as far as a discrete solution goes, well the APU can be as good as a discreet solution, you just need to dedicate memory to the graphics part of the chip. savagetwinkie

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

APU won't approach Avatar quality at all

gmaster456

Since you clearly know the future, is there anything else those of us still stuck in 2011 might like to know?

i can't believe anyone that visits this site could ever believe avatar or any other computer gfx type movie can do that stuff on the fly.

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]I never said anything about any Avatar **** Read my **** post first.

savagetwinkie

I did read your post, how's it relevant?

APU won't approach Avatar quality at all, which this this thread is about. Besides, your rambling about discrete gfx in combo with APU is derivative of SLI/XF so are you sure you have any comprehension of your ideas?

He mentioned an APU working with a discrete GFX chip which is indeed a SLI/XF derivative.... And have fun with the real time ray traycing that can't even run Quake well.

Edit: And how does putting them on the same die autoamtically make them faster?

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]APUs already exist and when combined with a discrete GPU have 40% more graphical capability.

KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="gmaster456"]

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

APU won't approach Avatar quality at all

Riverwolf007

Since you clearly know the future, is there anything else those of us still stuck in 2011 might like to know?

i can't believe anyone that visits this site could ever believe avatar or any other computer gfx type movie can do that stuff on the fly.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

I did read your post, how's it relevant?

APU won't approach Avatar quality at all, which this this thread is about. Besides, your rambling about discrete gfx in combo with APU is derivative of SLI/XF so are you sure you have any comprehension of your ideas?

Filthybastrd

He mentioned an APU working with a discrete GFX chip which is indeed a SLI/XF derivative.... And have fun with the real time ray traycing that can't even run Quake well.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]Ok but the apu is still just a GPU/CPU on the same die. Its faster than a normal integrated GPU since the cpu can talk to the gpu much much faster.savagetwinkie

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[QUOTE="gmaster456"]

Since you clearly know the future, is there anything else those of us still stuck in 2011 might like to know?

KC_Hokie

i can't believe anyone that visits this site could ever believe avatar or any other computer gfx type movie can do that stuff on the fly.

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] Umm an APU is a gpu + cpu on the same die, if you give the GPU its own memory pool or do what xbox does and have a shared architecture, it has the potential to be just as powerful as a discrete card, the only difference bettween a discrete card and a apu is the graphics right now on desktops don't have dedicated memory for better performance. This can easily be fixed with a embedded circuit.savagetwinkie

He mentioned an APU working with a discrete GFX chip which is indeed a SLI/XF derivative.... And have fun with the real time ray traycing that can't even run Quake well.

There's still the issue of texture quality, AI, scale, resolution, physics, particles... I'm not denying possibilites here but the next XBOX certainly wont produce Avatar graphics.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

I did read your post, how's it relevant?

APU won't approach Avatar quality at all, which this this thread is about. Besides, your rambling about discrete gfx in combo with APU is derivative of SLI/XF so are you sure you have any comprehension of your ideas?

Filthybastrd

He mentioned an APU working with a discrete GFX chip which is indeed a SLI/XF derivative.... And have fun with the real time ray traycing that can't even run Quake well.

Edit: And how does putting them on the same die autoamtically make them faster?

At 480p of course :osoulitane

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Yes. And gaming PCs that use APUs are also using a discrete GPU. And it's more than likely the next Xbox will use this as well.KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] not likely, the next xbox is probably going shared memory which technically means it doesn't have a discrete GPU, I can't see them going ccrossfire for stability purposes/heating purposes

savagetwinkie

[QUOTE="gmaster456"][QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

You mean by using APUs, which at the moment, are bad for gaming?

KC_Hokie

And, again, these are the very first APUs. AMD is coming out with new ones every 3-4 months. By the time the next Xbox is ready who knows what will be available. I'm glad MS is focused on hardware for the next Xbox.

And if the Wii-U's rumored GPU is true, it'll be more powerful than the next Xbox. Yeah, they're really focusing on the hardware :roll: Hopefully they can get basic cooling down this time that don't require 2 hardware revisions before getting it right.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

He mentioned an APU working with a discrete GFX chip which is indeed a SLI/XF derivative.... And have fun with the real time ray traycing that can't even run Quake well.

Filthybastrd

There's still the issue of texture quality, AI, scale, resolution, physics, particles... I'm not denying possibilites here but the next XBOX certainly wont produce Avatar graphics.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] not likely, the next xbox is probably going shared memory which technically means it doesn't have a discrete GPU, I can't see them going ccrossfire for stability purposes/heating purposes

savagetwinkie

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="gmaster456"] They are not "bad" for gaming, they are certainly no 6970 but they are no slouch either, they are good for most games on medium including Crysis 2, No dx11 at 900p which is better than consoles. ChubbyGuy40

And, again, these are the very first APUs. AMD is coming out with new ones every 3-4 months. By the time the next Xbox is ready who knows what will be available. I'm glad MS is focused on hardware for the next Xbox.

And if the Wii-U's rumored GPU is true, it'll be more powerful than the next Xbox. Yeah, they're really focusing on the hardware :roll: Hopefully they can get basic cooling down this time that don't require 2 hardware revisions before getting it right.

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] Umm an APU is a gpu + cpu on the same die, if you give the GPU its own memory pool or do what xbox does and have a shared architecture, it has the potential to be just as powerful as a discrete card, the only difference bettween a discrete card and a apu is the graphics right now on desktops don't have dedicated memory for better performance. This can easily be fixed with a embedded circuit.savagetwinkie

He mentioned an APU working with a discrete GFX chip which is indeed a SLI/XF derivative.... And have fun with the real time ray traycing that can't even run Quake well.

Edit: And how does putting them on the same die autoamtically make them faster?

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]The gaming PCs with APUs and stand alone GPUs are having no heating issues, stability issues with DirectX11 games, and use far less power than expected. I was shocked.Inconsistancy

Haha, yeah right.

I'm not Avatar fanboy but the movie has the best CGI ever put on film.

Have this in an actual game... which idiot came up with that, rofl. Maybe with DirectX 25 or something it will be posable but definitely it won't happen in the near future jiz.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]The gaming PCs with APUs and stand alone GPUs are having no heating issues, stability issues with DirectX11 games, and use far less power than expected. I was shocked.KC_Hokie

Try dual card setups for yourself, then comment... I'm going to bed.

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]And when you combine the APUs with a discrete GPU that boosts the graphical power by 40%.

And, again, these are the very first APUs. AMD is coming out with new ones every 3-4 months. By the time the next Xbox is ready who knows what will be available. I'm glad MS is focused on hardware for the next Xbox.

KC_Hokie

And if the Wii-U's rumored GPU is true, it'll be more powerful than the next Xbox. Yeah, they're really focusing on the hardware :roll: Hopefully they can get basic cooling down this time that don't require 2 hardware revisions before getting it right.

Yes unless they manage to squeeze in a 4890 into APU form. Not that hard to figure out :? They're really working on that hardware :lol: If anything Sony will probably have the best graphics next gen.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]The gaming PCs with APUs and stand alone GPUs are having no heating issues, stability issues with DirectX11 games, and use far less power than expected. I was shocked.KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

He mentioned an APU working with a discrete GFX chip which is indeed a SLI/XF derivative.... And have fun with the real time ray traycing that can't even run Quake well.

Edit: And how does putting them on the same die autoamtically make them faster?

Filthybastrd

Are we even at Toy Story level yet?tomarlyn

On some levels yes, in regards to lighting effects, and animation we have surpassed Toy Story, in terms of detail, no we haven't.

Not unless it takes at least another 5 years to come out.

I'll believe it when I see it.

The 360 launched and no PC could touch it graphics for at least six months. I predict the same thing the next gen Xbox is released. 8)xhawk27

FEAR looked better than anything easily on the 360 when it launched :D