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#51 Techhog89
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NX isn't competing against 9th generation consoles, though (at least not yet, but there's nothing that Nintendo could reasonably do to make NX competitive with 9th-gen, to the point that I don't think it even makes much sense to call it 9th-gen). Also, you're defining "successful" as "winning the generation" here, clearly. What matters is being competitive for most of its life. And you're right, $200 is the ideal price point for it. The fact of the matter is that going expensive just to get more power has no benefit to them. Give me one reason that someone would choose NX over PS4k if both are the same price and have the same level of power other than that they're a Nintendo fan. Hint: you won't be able to find one. Power would only possibly help them if they were much more powerful than the PS4k for the same price, and even then I'd think that PS4's library would be a bigger selling point. Here's the simple truth: There's nothing that Nintendo can do to make NX a true success this generation other than maybe making it extremely cheap at the expense of power. In the real world, power has never been a defining selling point for a console other than maybe PS4, and even then the price was likely the bigger factor. If Nintendo wants to continue making consoles, they need to focus on steadying the ship, not going in at full speed while throwing caution to the wind. Thus, they only really have two choices: go super cheap/weak and focus on being a Nintendo box going forward, or use NX as a springboard to revive third-party support so that they stand a chance in actual 9th generation with the console after NX. Anything else is, frankly, a waste of time. I think the reason we don't see eye-to-eye is that you think the reason Wii U flopped was mainly due to being too weak, when really it wasn't even the biggest issue (marketing and price were much bigger).

Also, don't listen to ronvalencia. He's just making a bunch of assumptions based on what he thinks will happen and is possible. He might seem intelligent due to the way that he seemingly backs everything he says up, but he really doesn't know what he's talking about at all. There's nothing that Nintendo could do to get a console out that's twice as powerful as PS4 for under $400 this year unless they go as barebones as possible and take a significant loss (enough that they'll need to sell 2-3 games with every single console) on top of having huge shortages due to yields. Next year it would be possible without the shortages, but they'd still need at least two games sold with every system to profit. However, they'd be competing with an even stronger PS4/XBO library and still wouldn't have any real selling selling point other than their own games.

The Wii U flopped because its gimmick wasn't enticing enough and the price was way too high for what it offered. All the greatest marketing in the world wouldn't have made that Wii U pad any better.

Like I said before if Nintendo is just planning on making the NX a great secondary console then it needs to be super cheap. The vast majority aren't going to pay $299.99+ for a secondary console. The Wii U has pretty much proved this to be the case.

Wii U's name and marketing were so bad that only Nintendo fans really even knew that it was a new console and not a peripheral. Just calling it Wii 2 would have significantly improved its sales. It still would have undersold GameCube because it's just a bad system, but it probably would have sold at least a good 3-5 million more than it did.

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#52  Edited By emgesp
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@techhog89 said:
@emgesp said:
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NX isn't competing against 9th generation consoles, though (at least not yet, but there's nothing that Nintendo could reasonably do to make NX competitive with 9th-gen, to the point that I don't think it even makes much sense to call it 9th-gen). Also, you're defining "successful" as "winning the generation" here, clearly. What matters is being competitive for most of its life. And you're right, $200 is the ideal price point for it. The fact of the matter is that going expensive just to get more power has no benefit to them. Give me one reason that someone would choose NX over PS4k if both are the same price and have the same level of power other than that they're a Nintendo fan. Hint: you won't be able to find one. Power would only possibly help them if they were much more powerful than the PS4k for the same price, and even then I'd think that PS4's library would be a bigger selling point. Here's the simple truth: There's nothing that Nintendo can do to make NX a true success this generation other than maybe making it extremely cheap at the expense of power. In the real world, power has never been a defining selling point for a console other than maybe PS4, and even then the price was likely the bigger factor. If Nintendo wants to continue making consoles, they need to focus on steadying the ship, not going in at full speed while throwing caution to the wind. Thus, they only really have two choices: go super cheap/weak and focus on being a Nintendo box going forward, or use NX as a springboard to revive third-party support so that they stand a chance in actual 9th generation with the console after NX. Anything else is, frankly, a waste of time. I think the reason we don't see eye-to-eye is that you think the reason Wii U flopped was mainly due to being too weak, when really it wasn't even the biggest issue (marketing and price were much bigger).

Also, don't listen to ronvalencia. He's just making a bunch of assumptions based on what he thinks will happen and is possible. He might seem intelligent due to the way that he seemingly backs everything he says up, but he really doesn't know what he's talking about at all. There's nothing that Nintendo could do to get a console out that's twice as powerful as PS4 for under $400 this year unless they go as barebones as possible and take a significant loss (enough that they'll need to sell 2-3 games with every single console) on top of having huge shortages due to yields. Next year it would be possible without the shortages, but they'd still need at least two games sold with every system to profit. However, they'd be competing with an even stronger PS4/XBO library and still wouldn't have any real selling selling point other than their own games.

The Wii U flopped because its gimmick wasn't enticing enough and the price was way too high for what it offered. All the greatest marketing in the world wouldn't have made that Wii U pad any better.

Like I said before if Nintendo is just planning on making the NX a great secondary console then it needs to be super cheap. The vast majority aren't going to pay $299.99+ for a secondary console. The Wii U has pretty much proved this to be the case.

Wii U's name and marketing were so bad that only Nintendo fans really even knew that it was a new console and not a peripheral. Just calling it Wii 2 would have significantly improved its sales. It still would have undersold GameCube because it's just a bad system, but it probably would have sold at least a good 3-5 million more than it did.

All I know is Nintendo won't be happy with 15 - 20 million units sold for the NX. Nintendo needs to find a way to get the NX to at least sell as well the N64. 35 - 40 million units is definitely enough to sustain a console business on, especially if you are making profit per every unit sold.

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#53 Techhog89
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@emgesp: N64 sold 33 million, actually. Also, you need to keep in mind that, with GameCube, what really scared Nintendo was the downward trend, not the actual sales numbers. They needed to buck that trend, so they tried a new strategy. Now, they need yet another new strategy. I don't think that making a slightly cheaper PS4k with a fraction of the library is the strategy that will get them the sales you think that they need.

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#54  Edited By emgesp
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@techhog89 said:

@emgesp: N64 sold 33 million, actually. Also, you need to keep in mind that, with GameCube, what really scared Nintendo was the downward trend, not the actual sales numbers. They needed to buck that trend, so they tried a new strategy. Now, they need yet another new strategy. I don't think that making a slightly cheaper PS4k with a fraction of the library is the strategy that will get them the sales you think that they need.

So what does the NX need to surpass Gamecube sales? Exciting new IP? A cool gimmick? Both?

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#55  Edited By Techhog89
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@emgesp: Honestly? It may not be possible. If Nintendo wanted to focus on the short-term, their best bet would be either a hybrid or a settop box that can either render or upscale handheld games in 1080p for $150. Beyond that, the only other option is to release something competitive with current gen in terms of price and power and to get a bunch of AAA games that expand their audience beyond the Nintendo crowd.

For the long term, I think they should mainly focus on fixing third-party relations with NX and being at least a moderate success so they can go in guns blazing next-gen. If things play out like I think they will, NX's successor would only be a year late, where NX is at least three years late. That puts Nintendo in a much better competitive position.

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#56  Edited By Chroma72
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Unbeknownst to GeordiLaForge is that a pump and dump scheme is illegal. And, if he posted leaked information that's illegal also (think Martha Stewart). I'm sure all his information is stored and can be subpeonaed so.... Some investors might be pressing charges lol....be ready Geordi...this is NOT a game.