Americas preorder chart....kinect aint floppin

Can we still can it an FPS game than ?

R4gn4r0k

Wow, how funny is it that no matter how much you say VGchartz is very unreliable, I'm still seeing a bunch of threads about kinecct pre-orders, Reach pre-orders, and Xbox 360 S sales. Some xbox fans can't get it through their heads I guess.

I was genuinely surprised. Who's buying? Core gamers don't seem to enthusiastic? I don't think casual gamers are really into preordering.vashkey

Reviewers ?

Vgchartz?
Really?
First its uncredible

now it's credible

which is it?

And amerca=/=the world

[QUOTE="R4gn4r0k"]Can we still can it an FPS game than ?

KungfuKitten

Thanks man ^^. I think you're right, it will be a FPS as a base with RPG elements built on top. Many people consider Borderlands an FPS as well.

Vgchartz?
Really?
First its uncredible

now it's credible

which is it?

And amerca=/=the world

Animal-Mother

When is making up numbers ever credible :P

[QUOTE="destroyerHHH"]VGChartz may not be the most reliable source in the world but it does give a good overall trend of things going on. So its safe to say that Kinect preorders are doing pretty well at this point.mystervj

agreed they arent the best source.... but they are obviously far more reliable at predictions than anyone here on this board. So I cant see how using them as a source is so frowned upon.

north america equals the world now? i guarantee kinect isn't going to sell much overseas in places like japan, "theres no room for it" and yeah people are going to buy it then its going to be forgotten and known as a failure, but we shall see

Chris_Williams

[QUOTE="mystervj"][QUOTE="destroyerHHH"]VGChartz may not be the most reliable source in the world but it does give a good overall trend of things going on. So its safe to say that Kinect preorders are doing pretty well at this point.markinthedark

agreed they arent the best source.... but they are obviously far more reliable at predictions than anyone here on this board. So I cant see how using them as a source is so frowned upon.

Wow, how funny is it that no matter how much you say VGchartz is very unreliable, I'm still seeing a bunch of threads about kinecct pre-orders, Reach pre-orders, and Xbox 360 S sales. Some xbox fans can't get it through their heads I guess.

FIipMode

Isn't the 360 pretty big in the US ? Let's wait for some other regions before jumping to conclusions.

R4gn4r0k

Um US is the only place in the world that matters

[QUOTE="FIipMode"]

Wow, how funny is it that no matter how much you say VGchartz is very unreliable, I'm still seeing a bunch of threads about kinecct pre-orders, Reach pre-orders, and Xbox 360 S sales. Some xbox fans can't get it through their heads I guess.

moose_knuckler

I remember when I said Playstation fans never do it in my post too.

[QUOTE="R4gn4r0k"]

Isn't the 360 pretty big in the US ? Let's wait for some other regions before jumping to conclusions.

xxyetixx

Um US is the only place in the world that matters

[QUOTE="mystervj"]Oh, ur using Vgchartz and Amazon, how many times do you need to get told off before you stop giving them free advertisement?bigboss5ak

[QUOTE="moose_knuckler"][QUOTE="FIipMode"]

Wow, how funny is it that no matter how much you say VGchartz is very unreliable, I'm still seeing a bunch of threads about kinecct pre-orders, Reach pre-orders, and Xbox 360 S sales. Some xbox fans can't get it through their heads I guess.

FIipMode

I remember when I said Playstation fans never do it in my post too.

[QUOTE="FIipMode"]

[QUOTE="moose_knuckler"]Yes, I'm sure Playstation fans never bothered posting up VGChartz numbers when it was outselling the 360 :roll: . On topic, not exactly suprised. It's probably received a good reception from those Macy's demos or wherever they were placed. moose_knuckler

I remember when I said Playstation fans never do it in my post too.

Because the things I said in my first post (threads about kinect pre-orders, Reach pre-orders, and Xbox 360 S sales) is what I'm seeing right now, so I commented on it, but I am very aware both sides do it.

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="mystervj"] No they are not reliable at all, they have data for very few retailers and guess the numbers from that sample pool, they get everything wrong all the time. They retroactively adjust their numbers when real numbers from platform holders/NPD kicks in.mystervj

agreed they arent the best source.... but they are obviously far more reliable at predictions than anyone here on this board. So I cant see how using them as a source is so frowned upon.

can you cite NPD as a source when making a point? they are just making predictions too... their numbers arent actual sales.

So i guess there is no source outside of the companies themselves in terms of sales? and those companies only know units shipped, not sales.

VGchartz is perfectly fine as a source.

[QUOTE="mystervj"][QUOTE="markinthedark"]

agreed they arent the best source.... but they are obviously far more reliable at predictions than anyone here on this board. So I cant see how using them as a source is so frowned upon.

markinthedark

can you cite NPD as a source when making a point? they are just making predictions too... their numbers arent actual sales.

So i guess there is no source outside of the companies themselves in terms of sales? and those companies only know units shipped, not sales.

VGchartz is perfectly fine as a source.

You can't cite them as a source, especially when you are making a point. The answer is THERE IS NO SOURCE, so don't make arguments based off Vgchartz.mystervj

can you cite NPD as a source when making a point? they are just making predictions too... their numbers arent actual sales.

So i guess there is no source outside of the companies themselves in terms of sales? and those companies only know units shipped, not sales.

VGchartz is perfectly fine as a source.

[QUOTE="mystervj"][QUOTE="markinthedark"]

agreed they arent the best source.... but they are obviously far more reliable at predictions than anyone here on this board. So I cant see how using them as a source is so frowned upon.

markinthedark

can you cite NPD as a source when making a point? they are just making predictions too... their numbers arent actual sales.

So i guess there is no source outside of the companies themselves in terms of sales? and those companies only know units shipped, not sales.

VGchartz is perfectly fine as a source.

[QUOTE="mystervj"][QUOTE="markinthedark"]

agreed they arent the best source.... but they are obviously far more reliable at predictions than anyone here on this board. So I cant see how using them as a source is so frowned upon.

can you cite NPD as a source when making a point? they are just making predictions too... their numbers arent actual sales.

So i guess there is no source outside of the companies themselves in terms of sales? and those companies only know units shipped, not sales.

VGchartz is perfectly fine as a source.

That's surprising to see, I thought Kinect would have failed before it even released but I guess I was wrong, I'll be busy playing Halo: Reach anyway.

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="mystervj"] You can't cite them as a source, especially when you are making a point. The answer is THERE IS NO SOURCE, so don't make arguments based off Vgchartz.mystervj

can you cite NPD as a source when making a point? they are just making predictions too... their numbers arent actual sales.

So i guess there is no source outside of the companies themselves in terms of sales? and those companies only know units shipped, not sales.

VGchartz is perfectly fine as a source.

there is no way NPD has the means to track the sales of every retailer in the country. I imagine VGchartz uses retailer data as well in their predictions... i just think NPD probably has a larger sample size to make their estimations off of.... but in the end they are both estimations. And it only means VGchartz is less accurate, but people act like they are just pulling numbers out of thin air... they are clearly basing numbers off of some data they collected... and i dont see why they cant be used as a part of an argument simply because they are less accurate.

When there are no NPD numbers to go by, that means that VGchartz is the most accurate source available... and when making an argument, its perfectly fine to use the most accurate source available... in fact thats just good practice.

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="mystervj"] You can't cite them as a source, especially when you are making a point. The answer is THERE IS NO SOURCE, so don't make arguments based off Vgchartz.darthogre

can you cite NPD as a source when making a point? they are just making predictions too... their numbers arent actual sales.

So i guess there is no source outside of the companies themselves in terms of sales? and those companies only know units shipped, not sales.

VGchartz is perfectly fine as a source.

like i just said in another post, its perfectly fine to use the most accurate data available. When there are no NPD numbers to use, that means VGchartz is the most accurate data available. If someone used VGchartz over NPD data, then go ahead and give them hell. But if there is no NPD data available, then using vgchartz is the best information available... and when making any argument using the best data available is perfectly fine.

[QUOTE="mystervj"][QUOTE="markinthedark"]

can you cite NPD as a source when making a point? they are just making predictions too... their numbers arent actual sales.

So i guess there is no source outside of the companies themselves in terms of sales? and those companies only know units shipped, not sales.

VGchartz is perfectly fine as a source.

markinthedark

there is no way NPD has the means to track the sales of every retailer in the country. I imagine VGchartz uses retailer data as well in their predictions... i just think NPD probably has a larger sample size to make their estimations off of.... but in the end they are both estimations. And it only means VGchartz is less accurate, but people act like they are just pulling numbers out of thin air... they are clearly basing numbers off of some data they collected... and i dont see why they cant be used as a part of an argument simply because they are less accurate.

When there are no NPD numbers to go by, that means that VGchartz is the most accurate source available... and when making an argument, its perfectly fine to use the most accurate source available... in fact thats just good practice.

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="mystervj"] NPD is perfectly legitimate, they track all sales based off retailers. You can easily make points according to their data regarding to the US.mystervj

there is no way NPD has the means to track the sales of every retailer in the country. I imagine VGchartz uses retailer data as well in their predictions... i just think NPD probably has a larger sample size to make their estimations off of.... but in the end they are both estimations. And it only means VGchartz is less accurate, but people act like they are just pulling numbers out of thin air... they are clearly basing numbers off of some data they collected... and i dont see why they cant be used as a part of an argument simply because they are less accurate.

When there are no NPD numbers to go by, that means that VGchartz is the most accurate source available... and when making an argument, its perfectly fine to use the most accurate source available... in fact thats just good practice.

they may track every major retailer, but not every retailer.

And NPD makes it easy to criticize Vgchartz numbers... but for all we know NPD could be wildly off.. the problem is there is nothing to compare NPD data to.

and according to this websitehttp://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/NPD_Group

"NPD covers roughly 60-65% of the U.S. retailers.It notably does not cover Toys R Us (since Oct 2007), Wal-Mart, and Sam's Club retailers, but it does Amazon since Nov 2007.Although, NPD does not track Wal-Mart, they do estimate Wal-Mart and other retailers' sales using various algorithms and estimations. "

lol Fable 3 having more pre-orders than GT5 is so phail. Hence the reason why you never take VGchartz seriously

lol Fable 3 having more pre-orders than GT5 is so phail. Hence the reason why you never take VGchartz seriously

Blaze-Agent

[QUOTE="Blaze-Agent"]

lol Fable 3 having more pre-orders than GT5 is so phail. Hence the reason why you never take VGchartz seriously

moose_knuckler

GT is bigger in Europe

Also :D at all the people taking these numbers seriously.

[QUOTE="Blaze-Agent"]

lol Fable 3 having more pre-orders than GT5 is so phail. Hence the reason why you never take VGchartz seriously

moose_knuckler

exactly like the $20 games credit for fable at online retailers vs the $10 games credit for GT5.

[QUOTE="bigboss5ak"][QUOTE="mystervj"]Oh, ur using Vgchartz and Amazon, how many times do you need to get told off before you stop giving them free advertisement?SakusEnvoy

Amazon pre-order sales are at least accurate for Amazon, although they don't necessarily represent anything more than that. It doesn't look likely that either Kinect or Move will bomb at launch (most major devices don't bomb at launch anyway).

-Kinect: #67

-Playstation Move Starter Kit: #74

also Playstation Move by itself: #91 (these two combined are almost certainly higher than Kinect)

[QUOTE="moose_knuckler"]

[QUOTE="Blaze-Agent"]

lol Fable 3 having more pre-orders than GT5 is so phail. Hence the reason why you never take VGchartz seriously

R4gn4r0k

GT is bigger in Europe

Also :D at all the people taking these numbers seriously.

At Amazon-

PS Move Kit is at #61

Kinect is #65

PS3 160GB at #12

360 250GB at #22

[QUOTE="darthogre"][QUOTE="markinthedark"]

can you cite NPD as a source when making a point? they are just making predictions too... their numbers arent actual sales.

So i guess there is no source outside of the companies themselves in terms of sales? and those companies only know units shipped, not sales.

VGchartz is perfectly fine as a source.

like i just said in another post, its perfectly fine to use the most accurate data available. When there are no NPD numbers to use, that means VGchartz is the most accurate data available. If someone used VGchartz over NPD data, then go ahead and give them hell. But if there is no NPD data available, then using vgchartz is the best information available... and when making any argument using the best data available is perfectly fine.

Why are people still trying to force vgchartz's guesstimates on us?

If those numbers are any where near accurate than Reach will break Modern Warfare 2's record for a single platform debut.

Those GT5 numbers make me sad.

Halo + CoD + MoH

topping the charts I don't know for how long FPS genre will keep going strong like this.

[QUOTE="mystervj"][QUOTE="markinthedark"]

agreed they arent the best source.... but they are obviously far more reliable at predictions than anyone here on this board. So I cant see how using them as a source is so frowned upon.

can you cite NPD as a source when making a point? they are just making predictions too... their numbers arent actual sales.

So i guess there is no source outside of the companies themselves in terms of sales? and those companies only know units shipped, not sales.

VGchartz is perfectly fine as a source.

I'm not suprised, new tech always sells well, especially to the "Hardcore" crowd it seems that no matter what we think about it, we still need it to have the "Complete" system. Personally until it shows me something interesting I wont touch it with a 10 foot poll, same with Move.Jynxzor

[QUOTE="moose_knuckler"]

[QUOTE="Blaze-Agent"]

lol Fable 3 having more pre-orders than GT5 is so phail. Hence the reason why you never take VGchartz seriously

exactly like the $20 games credit for fable at online retailers vs the $10 games credit for GT5.

PS: what if your 10foot pole had a color changing ball on the end of it?? XDdRuGGeRnaUt

kinect will suck but it will sell ;)