Amiga was the peak of 16-bit gaming era

Do you agree or not? And why? I believe Amiga symbolised the peak of 16-bit gaming era in the beginning of the 90s, it was a perfect balance of console-centric gaming and PC-centric as it had some of the games SNES / Genesis had, as well as some prestigious PC ones, like RPGs, strategy or adventure games, as well as plenty of its own exclusives. I believe Amiga is criminally underrated

I am not familiar with the Amiga's library. Could you list some Amiga titles that were not available for DOS/Windows?

It was a close fight between Sega Saturn and the PS1 that generation for the best library.

It was a close fight between Sega Saturn and the PS1 that generation for the best library.

Yandere

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It was a close fight between Sega Saturn and the PS1 that generation for the best library.

Salt_The_Fries

So you don't mean the Amiga CD32?

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It was a close fight between Sega Saturn and the PS1 that generation for the best library.

Yandere

So you don't mean the Amiga CD32?

Amiga? :?

I'm sorry what?

Amiga 500 was one of my favourite systems ever. Awesome graphics, sound and thousands of games!!

I am not familiar with the Amiga's library. Could you list some Amiga titles that were not available for DOS/Windows?

LordQuorthon

There were hundreds (probably thousands) of games on it. Toki, Lionheart, Pinball Dreams, Pinball Fantasy, Turrican series, Super Frog, Alien Breed, etc, etc...It also had some of the best PC games from 80s and 90s like Maniac Mansion, Secret of Monkey Island1, 2, Beneath of Steel Sky, Universe, Dune2, Inocent until Caught, Another wourld, Flashback, Walker, etc

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I am not familiar with the Amiga's library. Could you list some Amiga titles that were not available for DOS/Windows?

PAL360

There were hundreds (probably thousans of games on it. Toki, Lionheart, Pinball Dreams, Pinball Fantasy, Turrican series, Super Frog, Alien Breed, etc, etc...Also some of the best PC games from 80s and 90s like Maniac Mansion, Secret of Monkey Island1, 2, Beneath of Steel Sky, Universe, Dune2, Inocent until Caught, etc

Amiga? :?

I'm sorry what?

LegatoSkyheart

Come, my son. I shall share a great story with you.

There was a time, back when dinosaurs roamed the Earth, when Windows PC, Linux PC and Mac were not the only options for those of us who wanted to have a computer. Apple computers and PCs were there, but you could also acquire machines with different architectures, operating systems and, shockingly, some of those computers were very, very video game oriented. Some of them you were even supposed to hook up to your TV set! For example, this machine we are talking about, the Amiga, included stuff like joysticks, its very own cartridge format, a powerful sound chip, which were rare and sort of expensive back in the day (we're talking about an age when some of us were STILL using the PCs internal speaker for video games... You know, that one that goes "beep" when you turn on your computer), and several other video game oriented features that out-of-the-box IBM clone machines with Microsoft DOS simply did not include.

The Amiga was brought to us by the same fellows who gave us the Commodore 64. Its main competition was the Atari ST, but there were several other video game oriented computers back in the day.

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[QUOTE="LordQuorthon"]

I am not familiar with the Amiga's library. Could you list some Amiga titles that were not available for DOS/Windows?

Salt_The_Fries

There were hundreds (probably thousans of games on it. Toki, Lionheart, Pinball Dreams, Pinball Fantasy, Turrican series, Super Frog, Alien Breed, etc, etc...Also some of the best PC games from 80s and 90s like Maniac Mansion, Secret of Monkey Island1, 2, Beneath of Steel Sky, Universe, Dune2, Inocent until Caught, etc

That game was brilliant indeed. I forgot lots of awesome games, Cannon Fodder1 and 2 and Shadow of the Beast trilogy to name a few more. To be honest it had come horrible ports aswell. Ill never forget how bad were Street Fighter 2 and Final Fight on it when compared to 16bit console versions :P

Also Chaos Engine, James Pond 2 Robocod and...................Lemmings series :P

Come, my son. I shall share a great story with you.

There was a time, back when dinosaurs roamed the Earth, when Windows PC, Linux PC and Mac were not the only options for those of us who wanted to have a computer. Apple computers and PCs were there, but you could also acquire machines with different architectures, operating systems and, shockingly, some of those computers were very, very video game oriented. Some of them you were even supposed to hook up to your TV set! For example, this machine we are talking about, the Amiga, included stuff like joysticks, its very own cartridge format, a powerful sound chip, which were rare and sort of expensive back in the day (we're talking about an age when some of us were STILL using the PCs internal speaker for video games... You know, that one that goes "beep" when you turn on your computer), and several other video game oriented features that out-of-the-box IBM clone machines with Microsoft DOS simply did not include.

The Amiga was brought to us by the same fellows who gave us the Commodore 64. Its main competition was the Atari ST, but there were several other video game oriented computers back in the day.

LordQuorthon

Nice bit of history. The Amiga 500 was a little bit before my time, despite being 16 bit, but my brother used to own one and played Sensible World of Soccer all the time. There are some people in the UK who don't consider anyone "true retro" unless they owned a home computer during their childhood. :?

Nice bit of history. The Amiga 500 was a little bit before my time, despite being 16 bit, but my brother used to own one and played Sensible World of Soccer all the time. There are some people in the UK who don't consider anyone "true retro" unless they owned a home computer during their childhood. :?

Menalque2

That makes sense because, as far as I know, consoles were not THAT big in Europe UNTIL the Sega Mega Drive (Genesis here) arrived there, and people saw that it was good, and people bought many Mega Drives.

Yep. What's more...it managed to take PC games and not dumb them down in the process, unlike consoles.

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I am not familiar with the Amiga's library. Could you list some Amiga titles that were not available for DOS/Windows?

PAL360

There were hundreds (probably thousands) of games on it. Toki, Lionheart, Pinball Dreams, Pinball Fantasy, Turrican series, Super Frog, Alien Breed, etc, etc...It also had some of the best PC games from 80s and 90s like Maniac Mansion, Secret of Monkey Island1, 2, Beneath of Steel Sky, Universe, Dune2, Inocent until Caught, Another wourld, Flashback, Walker, etc

I think all of those games were on the PC as well

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[QUOTE="LordQuorthon"]

I am not familiar with the Amiga's library. Could you list some Amiga titles that were not available for DOS/Windows?

ohthemanatee

There were hundreds (probably thousands) of games on it. Toki, Lionheart, Pinball Dreams, Pinball Fantasy, Turrican series, Super Frog, Alien Breed, etc, etc...It also had some of the best PC games from 80s and 90s like Maniac Mansion, Secret of Monkey Island1, 2, Beneath of Steel Sky, Universe, Dune2, Inocent until Caught, Another wourld, Flashback, Walker, etc

I think all of those games were on the PC as well

Yeah, they probably were. Most of them o got only for A500 so i thougt they were exclusives

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Amiga? :?

I'm sorry what?

LordQuorthon

Come, my son. I shall share a great story with you.

There was a time, back when dinosaurs roamed the Earth, when Windows PC, Linux PC and Mac were not the only options for those of us who wanted to have a computer. Apple computers and PCs were there, but you could also acquire machines with different architectures, operating systems and, shockingly, some of those computers were very, very video game oriented. Some of them you were even supposed to hook up to your TV set! For example, this machine we are talking about, the Amiga, included stuff like joysticks, its very own cartridge format, a powerful sound chip, which were rare and sort of expensive back in the day (we're talking about an age when some of us were STILL using the PCs internal speaker for video games... You know, that one that goes "beep" when you turn on your computer), and several other video game oriented features that out-of-the-box IBM clone machines with Microsoft DOS simply did not include.

The Amiga was brought to us by the same fellows who gave us the Commodore 64. Its main competition was the Atari ST, but there were several other video game oriented computers back in the day.

I guess that makes sense since I was born in the SNES era and only knew about the SNES and Genesis. >.>

I guess that makes sense since I was born in the SNES era and only knew about the SNES and Genesis. >.>

LegatoSkyheart

the amiga 500 was launched during the SNES and Genesis period

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I guess that makes sense since I was born in the SNES era and only knew about the SNES and Genesis. >.>

ohthemanatee

the amiga 500 was launched during the SNES and Genesis period

I may be wrong but i think A500 came in 88, before MD and Snes. It would make it sound even more impressive technically

I guess that makes sense since I was born in the SNES era and only knew about the SNES and Genesis. >.>

LegatoSkyheart

It's ok. I don't blame you for not know all that stuff. You may want to dig a little bit deeper, though; watch some retro reviews on youtube and stuff like that. Maybe you can get a better idea about what separated those machines from regular PCs back in the day.

I may be wrong but i think A500 came in 88, before MD and Snes. It would make it sound even more impressive technically

PAL360

well... the Sega genesis was launched in Japan in 1988, but for all effects and purposes that Amiga 500 was at it's peak when the genesis and Nintendo were fighting their own war

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I guess that makes sense since I was born in the SNES era and only knew about the SNES and Genesis. >.>

LordQuorthon

It's ok. I don't blame you for not know all that stuff. You may want to dig a little bit deeper, though; watch some retro reviews on youtube and stuff like that. Maybe you can get a better idea about what separated those machines from regular PCs back in the day.

As a general rule though i'd say that the PC was the better gaming machine

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[QUOTE="LordQuorthon"]

I am not familiar with the Amiga's library. Could you list some Amiga titles that were not available for DOS/Windows?

ohthemanatee

There were hundreds (probably thousands) of games on it. Toki, Lionheart, Pinball Dreams, Pinball Fantasy, Turrican series, Super Frog, Alien Breed, etc, etc...It also had some of the best PC games from 80s and 90s like Maniac Mansion, Secret of Monkey Island1, 2, Beneath of Steel Sky, Universe, Dune2, Inocent until Caught, Another wourld, Flashback, Walker, etc

I think all of those games were on the PC as well

Most Amiga games were ported to "IBM Clones" (and SNES, Genesis, etc) but many of them started on the Amiga. The Amiga was much more accessible, it was the only multi-tasking multi-media computer on the market and it was a quarter of the price of the nearest comparable IBM Clone.

Some of my favorites: Shadow of the Beast series (and pretty much all Psygnosis titles), Eye of the Beholder, Elvira, Sim City/Ants/Earth, Populous, Overlord, It Came from the Desert, Lemmings, Syndicate, and Another World.

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[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

I guess that makes sense since I was born in the SNES era and only knew about the SNES and Genesis. >.>

PAL360

the amiga 500 was launched during the SNES and Genesis period

I may be wrong but i think A500 came in 88, before MD and Snes. It would make it sound even more impressive technically

The Amiga was launched in '85, I don't think there was another computer that could touch it at any price.

The Amiga was launched in '85, I don't think there was another computer that could touch it at any price.

skektek

Wikipedia said that the Amiga 500 was launched in ´87

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[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

the amiga 500 was launched during the SNES and Genesis period

skektek

I may be wrong but i think A500 came in 88, before MD and Snes. It would make it sound even more impressive technically

The Amiga was launched in '85, I don't think there was another computer that could touch it at any price.

Thats impressive indeed. I got mine in 89 i think

I totally agree. I remember swapping my bike for my mates Amiga with literally a box full of floppy disks. Stunt Car Racer = God. :P

I totally agree. I remember swapping my bike for my mates Amiga with literally a box full of floppy disks. Stunt Car Racer = God. :P

Dataleak

Battle Squadron was one of my favorites:

and Data Storm

Cyber Blast

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Nice bit of history. The Amiga 500 was a little bit before my time, despite being 16 bit, but my brother used to own one and played Sensible World of Soccer all the time. There are some people in the UK who don't consider anyone "true retro" unless they owned a home computer during their childhood. :?

LordQuorthon

That makes sense because, as far as I know, consoles were not THAT big in Europe UNTIL the Sega Mega Drive (Genesis here) arrived there, and people saw that it was good, and people bought many Mega Drives.

Although the Mega Drive was a massive sucess in Europe,the Master System was the first console to achieve sucess in here.It was leading the market ahead of the NES by a large margin. I believe the same scenario can be verified in Brazil as well.Arach666

Indeed. However, and correct me if I'm wrong, the 8 bit consoles' success (NES or Master System) was not even remotely close to what it was in Japan or the US. The Mega Drive, I believe, was the first console to really, REALLY make it big in our dearest Pal-land.

You are right about Brazil. The rest of Latin America, however, usually followed the US' trends, though.

Exile Lionheart Ambermoon Walker Agony Turrican 1 and 2 I don't know...plenty...Some of the games were initially released on Amiga, and only later ported to the PC...Salt_The_Fries

Shadow of the Beast

Beach Volley

Battle Squadron

The Secret of Monkey Island

Elvira

many more...

I bought my (used) Amiga 1000 back in 1987 followed by an A500, A2000 and A2000HD. I ended my Amiga use with the A1200 and moved on to PC gaming. Those were wonderful years.

A500 ftw ^^ i was real 16-bit era in Poland and only platform that Team 17 did something better then Worms :lol: Lemmings (first known title of DMA Design, now know as Rockstar North) borned in this platform.

In Poland there was nor NES and SNES, NES came a lot later in mid-90 as "Pegasus" (people here call that NES) as cheap console that you can by in parcticly everywhere. So for eastern Europe Commodere computers and some otheres stuff was practicly used mostly as gameing devices

tbh sega megadrive and Super nintendo were better 16 bit machines.

[QUOTE="Arach666"]Although the Mega Drive was a massive sucess in Europe,the Master System was the first console to achieve sucess in here.It was leading the market ahead of the NES by a large margin. I believe the same scenario can be verified in Brazil as well.LordQuorthon

Indeed. However, and correct me if I'm wrong, the 8 bit consoles' success (NES or Master System) was not even remotely close to what it was in Japan or the US. The Mega Drive, I believe, was the first console to really, REALLY make it big in our dearest Pal-land.

You are right about Brazil. The rest of Latin America, however, usually followed the US' trends, though.

The Mega Drive was indeed the first trully sucessful console in here.

I didn´t noticed it that much though,I was quite busy playing my ZX Spectrum;)

I bought my (used) Amiga 1000 back in 1987 followed by an A500, A2000 and A2000HD. I ended my Amiga use with the A1200 and moved on to PC gaming. Those were wonderful years.

jun_aka_pekto

I started with an A500 and later upgraded to an A2000 with a Video Toaster. I inherited an A1200 a few years after the decline of Commodore. I still have all of the machines and they still work, but most of the floppies won't read anymore :(

As a general rule though i'd say that the PC was the better gaming machine

ohthemanatee

Mid-late 80's? No. EGA wasn't that common. Tandy had 16-colors and 3-channel sound. But, the pc games of the time didn't always support it. Most pc games were 4-color CGA with sound being the bloops and bleeps from the tiny pc speaker versus Amiga's 32 true colors (4096 HAM Mode) and 4-channel stereo sound.

Spectrum Holobyte's Falcon

PC (from img.listal.com):

Amiga (from lemonamiga.com):

Most Amiga games were ported to "IBM Clones" (and SNES, Genesis, etc) but many of them started on the Amiga. The Amiga was much more accessible, it was the only multi-tasking multi-media computer on the market and it was a quarter of the price of the nearest comparable IBM Clone.

Some of my favorites: Shadow of the Beast series (and pretty much all Psygnosis titles), Eye of the Beholder, Elvira, Sim City/Ants/Earth, Populous, Overlord, It Came from the Desert, Lemmings, Syndicate, and Another World.

skektek

Among those...... Eye of the Beholder originated on the PC as a clone of FTL's Dungeon Master (first seen on Atari ST? then Amiga a few years before). Maxis Sim City originated on the Mac.

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As a general rule though i'd say that the PC was the better gaming machine

jun_aka_pekto

Mid-late 80's? No. EGA wasn't that common. Tandy had 16-colors and 3-channel sound. But, the pc games of the time didn't always support it. Most pc games were 4-color CGA with sound being the bloops and bleeps from the tiny pc speaker versus Amiga's 32 true colors (4096 HAM Mode) and 4-channel stereo sound.

Spectrum Holobyte's Falcon

PC (from img.listal.com):

Amiga (from lemonamiga.com):

LOL That reminded me of the game boxes, when you bought a game that was for the Amiga and IBM PC there would be a small disclaimer declaring that *screenshots are from the Amiga version*.

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[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

As a general rule though i'd say that the PC was the better gaming machine

skektek

Mid-late 80's? No. EGA wasn't that common. Tandy had 16-colors and 3-channel sound. But, the pc games of the time didn't always support it. Most pc games were 4-color CGA with sound being the bloops and bleeps from the tiny pc speaker versus Amiga's 32 true colors (4096 HAM Mode) and 4-channel stereo sound.

Spectrum Holobyte's Falcon

PC (from img.listal.com):

Amiga (from lemonamiga.com):

LOL That reminded me of the game boxes, when you bought a game that was for the Amiga and IBM PC there would be a small disclaimer declaring that *screenshots are from the Amiga version*.

Yup. Those were the good times. But, after VGA and Soundblaster became standard, voices in my head started whispering PC..... PC...... PC..... Ha Ha!

The last straw for me was seeing Links, Wing Commander, and Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe. I started the long slow switch to PC gaming. Of course, console gaming wasn't affected. Ya gotta have the consoles regardless.

[QUOTE="skektek"]

Most Amiga games were ported to "IBM Clones" (and SNES, Genesis, etc) but many of them started on the Amiga. The Amiga was much more accessible, it was the only multi-tasking multi-media computer on the market and it was a quarter of the price of the nearest comparable IBM Clone.

Some of my favorites: Shadow of the Beast series (and pretty much all Psygnosis titles), Eye of the Beholder, Elvira, Sim City/Ants/Earth, Populous, Overlord, It Came from the Desert, Lemmings, Syndicate, and Another World.

jun_aka_pekto

Among those...... Eye of the Beholder originated on the PC as a clone of FTL's Dungeon Master (first seen on Atari ST? then Amiga a few years before). Maxis Sim City originated on the Mac.

I thought Sim City debuted on the C64? Those days there was a lot of porting, games were relatively small and there weren't any proprietary APIs/technologies to lock people in/out.

I thought Sim City debuted on the C64? Those days there was a lot of porting, games were relatively small and there weren't any proprietary APIs/technologies to lock people in/out.

skektek

Maxis was a Mac developer and Sim City was one of the showcase games for the Mac at the time. It was afterwards when Maxis expanded to other platforms. I can't remember if there was a C-64 version of Sim City. But, both Amiga and C-64/128 were out together for a number of years much like the Mac and the Apple IIGS were out at the same time.

I thought Sim City debuted on the C64? Those days there was a lot of porting, games were relatively small and there weren't any proprietary APIs/technologies to lock people in/out.

skektek

I think you're right. Wiki says it was on C-64 first. But, all the fame was with the Mac version. The version of System Wars at the time had Mac users whooping it up with Sim City.

I suppose they had reason to. It was also on the Mac where higher-resolution/SVGA gaming first became standard.

The Amiga has some of the best games ever...

Turrican, Silkworm, Boulder Dash, Chaos Engine, Dune2, Syndicate, Xenon, Desert Strike, Eye of the Beholder, Lemmings, Cannon Fodder, Sensible Soccer, Unsensible Soccer, Speed Ball2, Flashback, Beneath a steel sky, Super Skid Marks, Alien Breed, James Pond Robocod, Moonstone, Lotus Turbo Challenge, Heimdall1+2. This is just what i can remember from the top of my head....