an actual honest look at killzone 3

[QUOTE="arbitor365"]

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

:lol: I gae Killzone 3 the same score as Edge. I suppose that makes me a liar and biased against the PS3 as well :P

BPoole96

it could mean that you dont know how to judge a game on any reasonable level..... or you could just be a liar. I wasnt going to say that, but its a possibility.

the primary reason I have heard from you is

"waah! the online has killstreaks! that makes it more unbalanced than an 80 year old man's bowels!! worst multiplayer evarr!"

you act like killstreaks are the holocaust of online multiplayer. KZ3 is not unbalanced. its sure of a hell alot more balanced than halo, COD, resistance 2, killzone 2 or any other online multiplayer that I have experienced this gen. the killstreaks do not make that much of a difference. you are making a mountain out of a molehill and the fact that you are a PS3 owner does not give you credibility.

:lol: please show me a quote where I said anything about killstreaks ruining the game

Check a few posts up where I actually told another user that the killstreaks are basically non existant and don't have much impact on the gameplay anyway.

My complaints are:

• No customs lobbies. Killzone 2 had this and it was great. One of the few console games that has this. Now we get terrible matchmaking that only ever wants to put me in matches at Salaman Market.
• Tactical Spawn Areas. The flow of the match is constantly ruined in the opposite team takes the TSA in front of your base and continues to spawn camp the rest of the time. I am trying to complete objectives, no play capture and hold with the TSAs the entire match. Spawn grenades/Squad spawn worked fine in Killzone 2.
• The Marksman Class. I shouldn't have to elaborate. I posted something about it above if you must know.
• Poor map design. Most of the maps seem to focus between players standing on opposite sides of a door and throwing grenades. Play MAWLR Graveyard and you'll see what I mean.
• Proximity Mines are available for every class. Only the Saboteur class in Killzone 2 could have them. Now, every class has access so you can possibly have up to 24 Proxy's live on the map at once. I'm trying to get around and capture points/complete objectives. instead I just die by Proxys all the time because they're everywhere.
• GG hyped up the use of Jetpacks and only ONE map offers jetpacks. Mechs are only on 2 maps
• Only 8 or so maps in the entire game
• Day 1 DLC
• New DLC announced before the game had even been out a week

• I also miss custom lobbies.
• I miss spawn grenades too but the tactical spawn points haven't been so bad so far and the only time I've seen the tactical spawn point in front of the base taken by the enemy faction is when the team losing the spawn point is really bad.
• This.
• I actually think the map design is pretty good and well varied compared to Killzone 2.
• Oh man I hate that. On Killzone 2 they were so rare that I didn't much care about how cheap they were. At least they're more obvious now and easy to see.
• Not sure if this is a big deal.
• That's not true. In the entire game there are like 15.
• I don't mind them bringing back Saluman Market, although I hated Blood Gracht.
• What's the new DLC?

[QUOTE="Funconsole"]So someone who agrees with your opinion is the ultimate speaker of truth? :roll: Gotta love SWEpisode_Eve

Actually, the OP seems to think the video he linked is an "honest" look at the game (which it technically is :P). I wouldn't say it's the absolute truth, though, lol.

Exactly...that guy is a little off his rocker, especially dropping the Fbomb every other word. He is honest though, I feel the same way about the game. I can tell KZ3 is a great game because I have a really hard time getting into (story wise) FPS's. Thats why I play RPG's and games like Uncharted 2, Alan Wake, Heavy rain etc. But from the moment I put in KZ3 the other day, I cant stop playing...I actually have to force myself to turn it off so I dont get through it so quickly. I will probably finish it by tonight though.

Killzone has a very very weak premise for a intergalactic war game.

[QUOTE="Funconsole"]So someone who agrees with your opinion is the ultimate speaker of truth? :roll: Gotta love SWEpisode_Eve

Actually, the OP seems to think the video he linked is an "honest" look at the game (which it technically is :P). I wouldn't say it's the absolute truth, though, lol.

he isnt a god amoung men necessarily, but I think he is alot less bias than most mainstream reviewers and people I see on SW. silent rob did bring up the issues with KZ2 and he did admit that the ending in KZ3 wasnt that great. overall, his main points were pretty agreeable

- rico is not an exceptionally annoying character for an FPS game. there are characters like im in nearly every one

- the stoy is much better than KZ2's and is certainly not a terrible one

- the multiplayer is now more organized and it doesnt have all the weird, custom maps that get in the way

- the campaign is superior to KZ2's in every way

- the controls are improved

- alot of the people who are whining about this game havent bought KZ3 or played it. this is clear considering that there is no way all the people attacking this game actually paid 60 dollars and bought it.

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

[QUOTE="arbitor365"]

it could mean that you dont know how to judge a game on any reasonable level..... or you could just be a liar. I wasnt going to say that, but its a possibility.

the primary reason I have heard from you is

"waah! the online has killstreaks! that makes it more unbalanced than an 80 year old man's bowels!! worst multiplayer evarr!"

you act like killstreaks are the holocaust of online multiplayer. KZ3 is not unbalanced. its sure of a hell alot more balanced than halo, COD, resistance 2, killzone 2 or any other online multiplayer that I have experienced this gen. the killstreaks do not make that much of a difference. you are making a mountain out of a molehill and the fact that you are a PS3 owner does not give you credibility.

Demonjoe93

:lol: please show me a quote where I said anything about killstreaks ruining the game

Check a few posts up where I actually told another user that the killstreaks are basically non existant and don't have much impact on the gameplay anyway.

My complaints are:

• No customs lobbies. Killzone 2 had this and it was great. One of the few console games that has this. Now we get terrible matchmaking that only ever wants to put me in matches at Salaman Market.
• Tactical Spawn Areas. The flow of the match is constantly ruined in the opposite team takes the TSA in front of your base and continues to spawn camp the rest of the time. I am trying to complete objectives, no play capture and hold with the TSAs the entire match. Spawn grenades/Squad spawn worked fine in Killzone 2.
• The Marksman Class. I shouldn't have to elaborate. I posted something about it above if you must know.
• Poor map design. Most of the maps seem to focus between players standing on opposite sides of a door and throwing grenades. Play MAWLR Graveyard and you'll see what I mean.
• Proximity Mines are available for every class. Only the Saboteur class in Killzone 2 could have them. Now, every class has access so you can possibly have up to 24 Proxy's live on the map at once. I'm trying to get around and capture points/complete objectives. instead I just die by Proxys all the time because they're everywhere.
• GG hyped up the use of Jetpacks and only ONE map offers jetpacks. Mechs are only on 2 maps
• Only 8 or so maps in the entire game
• Day 1 DLC
• New DLC announced before the game had even been out a week

• I also miss custom lobbies.
• I miss spawn grenades too but the tactical spawn points haven't been so bad so far and the only time I've seen the tactical spawn point in front of the base taken by the enemy faction is when the team losing the spawn point is really bad.
• This.
• I actually think the map design is pretty good and well varied compared to Killzone 2.
• Oh man I hate that. On Killzone 2 they were so rare that I didn't much care about how cheap they were. At least they're more obvious now and easy to see.
• Not sure if this is a big deal.
• That's not true. In the entire game there are like 15.
• I don't mind them bringing back Saluman Market, although I hated Blood Gracht.
• What's the new DLC?

Steel Rain DLC

My words in bold :).

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[QUOTE="Funconsole"]So someone who agrees with your opinion is the ultimate speaker of truth? :roll: Gotta love SWarbitor365

Actually, the OP seems to think the video he linked is an "honest" look at the game (which it technically is :P). I wouldn't say it's the absolute truth, though, lol.

he isnt a god amoung men necessarily, but I think he is alot less bias than most mainstream reviewers and people I see on SW. silent rob did bring up the issues with KZ2 and he did admit that the ending in KZ3 wasnt that great. overall, his main points were pretty agreeable

- rico is not an exceptionally annoying character for an FPS game. there are characters like im in nearly every one

Yeah, Rico is an awesome character. You'll only feel otherwise if you haven't played KZ3, I think. He's a vital part to the ISA survival, mainly because he listens to his heart/gut.

- the stoy is much better than KZ2's and is certainly not a terrible one

Story crushes KZ2, IMO. It's not the best thing, but they did a good job explaining what's going on, and it was fun enough to watch the cutscenes. The ending, I think, was very intriguing.

- the multiplayer is now more organized and it doesnt have all the weird, custom maps that get in the way

I don't agree with this. I miss custom games! There are a number of other issues that I could go on about, but don't feel like it. I rather talk about it on the official boards, so I can aid Guerrilla in making the game better, since I love the franchise.

- the campaign is superior to KZ2's in every way

Yes. Pacing, variety, and controls are better.

- the controls are improved

Yep, in every way.

- alot of the people who are whining about this game havent bought KZ3 or played it. this is clear considering that there is no way all the people attacking this game actually paid 60 dollars and bought it.

Sucks when peolpe who don't or have no intention of playing games ridicule or bash them, lol. What can you do? But, you don't have to own a game to play it thoroughly.

^You can get this game off ebay/amazon for 40-50 bucks and at times 30.:|

From what I played of both demo and beta, I already knew this game would have improvements(controls) but also problems(horrible writing and dialog, changes in multiplayer for the worse) as well. I am not surprised it flopped once I played the beta, I was complaining about it before the review, LOL.

Lol! I was laughing the whole time. He is a fanboy for hating the 360 imo! You must at least like every system to not be a fanboy imo.

xOMGITSJASONx

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Lol! I was laughing the whole time. He is a fanboy for hating the 360 imo! You must at least like every system to not be a fanboy imo.

RogueShodown

Edit: Though, I don't agree that Halo is overrated, if you implied that, arbitor.

- alot of the people who are whining about this game havent bought KZ3 or played it. this is clear considering that there is no way all the people attacking this game actually paid 60 dollars and bought it.

arbitor365

Edit: Though, I don't agree that Halo is overrated, if you implied that, arbitor.Episode_Eve

I do think it is overrated, but I dont hate halo. in fact, do you know what I would give reach? a 9/10. this is where people get me wrong. they think that just becuase I dont prefer halo or think of it as being an amazing franchise that I consider them bad games. the only halo game I would consider to be crap is ODST. the rest are pretty solid. I just think there is much better stuff out there and that halo has done too much polishing and too little changing and innovating. when it comes down to objectively reviewing them as individual games I give them what I think they deserve and that is generally positive ratings (except ODST).

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"]Edit: Though, I don't agree that Halo is overrated, if you implied that, arbitor.arbitor365

I do think it is overrated, but I dont hate halo. in fact, do you know what I would give reach? a 9/10. this is where people get me wrong. they think that just becuase I dont prefer halo or think of it as being an amazing franchise that I consider them bad games. the only halo game I would consider to be crap is ODST. the rest are pretty solid. I just think there is much better stuff out there and that halo has done too much polishing and too little changing and innovating. when it comes down to objectively reviewing them as individual games I give them what I think they deserve and that is generally positive ratings (except ODST).

How is it overrated than if you would give it the same score that most critics did :?

Watched about a minute of the video but the guy's whiny voice drove me insane.

KZ3 is a good game and the review scores reflect that. I see no problem. The only thing that does get on my nerves is when reviewers criticise a game's story and drop down the score (happens with lots of games) and yet still give games like CoD and GTA 9/10s. Doesn't make sense.

Watched about a minute of the video but the guy's whiny voice drove me insane.

KZ3 is a good game and the review scores reflect that. I see no problem. The only thing that does get on my nerves is when reviewers criticise a game's story and drop down the score (happens with lots of games) and yet still give games like CoD and GTA 9/10s. Doesn't make sense.

KlepticGrooves

[QUOTE="arbitor365"]

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"]Edit: Though, I don't agree that Halo is overrated, if you implied that, arbitor.BPoole96

I do think it is overrated, but I dont hate halo. in fact, do you know what I would give reach? a 9/10. this is where people get me wrong. they think that just becuase I dont prefer halo or think of it as being an amazing franchise that I consider them bad games. the only halo game I would consider to be crap is ODST. the rest are pretty solid. I just think there is much better stuff out there and that halo has done too much polishing and too little changing and innovating. when it comes down to objectively reviewing them as individual games I give them what I think they deserve and that is generally positive ratings (except ODST).

How is it overrated than if you would give it the same score that most critics did :?

well a few things

- alot of people consider the halo games to be this amazing standard that few if any FPS games can approach. I dont think this is true.

- alot of reviewers gave halo reach and the previous two halo games perfect scores. I really dont think any halo game since the the first two (both of which I gave a 10/10, because they were really high-standard for the time) has deserved a perfect score, though I can sort of understand it with halo reach even though I dont quite agree. I give out more 10/10 ratings than most people. so when I think a game doesnt deserve a 10/10 I seriously think it doesnt deserve a 10/10.

- cartain sites will give halo reach a 9/10 or a 10/10 and then turn around and give a game like killzone 3 an 8/10. it just seems so proportionally unbalanced to me and in a case like that I think halo becomes overrated. its being put on a pedestal above games that are at least just as good as it, if not better.

I wonder why people listen to those random asholes in youtube.

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

[QUOTE="arbitor365"]

I do think it is overrated, but I dont hate halo. in fact, do you know what I would give reach? a 9/10. this is where people get me wrong. they think that just becuase I dont prefer halo or think of it as being an amazing franchise that I consider them bad games. the only halo game I would consider to be crap is ODST. the rest are pretty solid. I just think there is much better stuff out there and that halo has done too much polishing and too little changing and innovating. when it comes down to objectively reviewing them as individual games I give them what I think they deserve and that is generally positive ratings (except ODST).

arbitor365

How is it overrated than if you would give it the same score that most critics did :?

well a few things

- alot of people consider the halo games to be this amazing standard that few if any FPS games can approach. I dont think this is true.

- alot of reviewers gave halo reach and the previous two halo games perfect scores. I really dont think any halo game since the the first two (both of which I gave a 10/10, because they were really high-standard for the time) has deserved a perfect score, though I can sort of understand it with halo reach even though I dont quite agree. I give out more 10/10 ratings than most people. so when I think a game doesnt deserve a 10/10 I seriously think it doesnt deserve a 10/10.

- cartain sites will give halo reach a 9/10 or a 10/10 and then turn around and give a game like killzone 3 an 8/10. it just seems so proportionally unbalanced to me and in a case like that I think halo becomes overrated. its being put on a pedestal above games that are at least just as good as it, if not better.

People like to think that because Halo 2 was the biggest online FPS last gen for consoles. From what I have played of them, Bungie has continued to deliver and keep their fanbase happy

Opinions vary, but all reviewers did agree that they game was "Good" and gave postive reviews. It just depends on how much certain flaws stand out to them. Like for me with Killzone 3, I loved the campaign, and the MP has done nothing but disappoint. In contrast, critics praised the MP and bashed the campaign. The fact that they MP actually seemed worse for me in KZ3 made my overall impression of the game a lot lower, especially considering my hopes were high for it.

Halo is also a bigger series than Killzone, so some reviewers can be kind blinded by all the hype. The Call of Duty series is a perfect example of this

Halo is also a bigger series than Killzone, so some reviewers can be kind blinded by all the hype.

BPoole96

... in addition to the fact that they're not really similar beyond both being FPSes. I'd say both succeed handily at what they attempt to do.

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

Halo is also a bigger series than Killzone, so some reviewers can be kind blinded by all the hype.

psn8214

... in addition to the fact that they're not really similar beyond both being FPSes. I'd say both succeed handily at what they attempt to do.

That is true as well. Idk why Halo and Killzone are always compared. Resistance is closer to Halo

That is true as well. Idk why Halo and Killzone are always compared. Resistance is closer to Halo

BPoole96

Exactly. Killzone and Halo really have nothing alike. Killzone is far more comparable to something like BF:BC2.

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

That is true as well. Idk why Halo and Killzone are always compared. Resistance is closer to Halo

psn8214

Exactly. Killzone and Halo really have nothing alike. Killzone is far more comparable to something like BF:BC2.

They're compared because PS3 fanboys desperately want a franchise that can topple Halo (though frankly, that's not gonna happen). They're not at all alike, but people insist on comparing the two because they are both FPS games. You might as well be comparing MvC and Street Fighter. Yeah they're fighters, but that's about as far as the similarities go.DarkLink77

Eh, if they really wanted that they could tout the multiplat Black Ops, although that wouldn't be very System Wars appropriate I suppose. They really aren't alike at all.

Stopped watching after his debate with himself on whether Killzone 3 had a story or not, and whether or not it was better than Killzone 2's virtually non-existent story.

KZ3 isn't a bad game, it just isn't as good a game as the Sony Defense Force wants you believe it is.

hey look, a guy on derptube that wouldn't trust to wash my car likes kz3.

"hey! whuzzup bi***es!"

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