I'm always looking for good wii games, especially ones that use the controller well. I'll probably pick this up. I've had my eye on it for a while now, but I didn't know it was out yet.
[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]In one's opinion* its an examlpe of a game made better because of the wii-mote controller. Just thought i'd clarify.Ontain
sure just like all the scores on this site are just opinions too. ppl still use the score as fact here.
Thats because: It is a fact that the game scored that high regardless if the score is opinion or not. Its also a fact that people believe that it made it better. However, its not a fact that its better.
RE4 wasn't made better... the cross-hair looks wobbly and inaccurate.Dahaka-UK
not true. I practically only do head shots, even from far distances. The cursor goes where you want it to, as long as you grasp the rest of the controls (which I thought was kind of a long learning curve)
[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]In one's opinion* its an examlpe of a game made better because of the wii-mote controller. Just thought i'd clarify.Vandalvideo
sure just like all the scores on this site are just opinions too. ppl still use the score as fact here.
Thats because: It is a fact that the game scored that high regardless if the score is opinion or not. Its also a fact that people believe that it made it better. However, its not a fact that its better.
it's a fact that the reviewer says it made the game better. just like it's a fact that he gave a game a score.
it's a fact that the reviewer says it made the game better. just like it's a fact that he gave a game a score.Ontain
Yes, it is a fact that the reviewers sad it makes the game better. However, that does not make the assertion that it made the game better a fact. Its still an opinion.
Wii-mote doesn't make gameplay better, it only changes it.. thats a fact.. a normal controller is better IMO... all wii mote has done is made every game act as a Light Gun game.
[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]In one's opinion* its an examlpe of a game made better because of the wii-mote controller. Just thought i'd clarify.Vandalvideo
sure just like all the scores on this site are just opinions too. ppl still use the score as fact here.
Thats because: It is a fact that the game scored that high regardless if the score is opinion or not. Its also a fact that people believe that it made it better. However, its not a fact that its better.
Do you realize your arguement goes both ways? It's not a fact that it wasn't made better.
[QUOTE="Ontain"]it's a fact that the reviewer says it made the game better. just like it's a fact that he gave a game a score.Vandalvideo
Yes, it is a fact that the reviewers sad it makes the game better. However, that does not make the assertion that it made the game better a fact. Its still an opinion.
You're looking way too much into this... for some reason...
Not following the many ridiculous consensuses of SW? Good for you. Never the less... in the end... you have to put up with it.
[QUOTE="Ontain"]it's a fact that the reviewer says it made the game better. just like it's a fact that he gave a game a score.Vandalvideo
Yes, it is a fact that the reviewers sad it makes the game better. However, that does not make the assertion that it made the game better a fact. Its still an opinion.
why do we put more importance to the score on a review but not the content?
[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"]Do you realize your arguement goes both ways? It's not a fact that it wasn't made better.Vandalvideo
Well yeah....thats generally how opinions work.
Which ends in a stalemate. Saying "that's just an opinion" gets nowhere whatsoever.
Sure it does. It keeps baseless assertions from becoming misguided fact. but dont you think that some opinions are better than others. You say that a game reviewer's opinion is just another opinion but is that right? Didn't they earn qualifications in some way? For instance, if there is something wrong with my stomach, I would much prefer a doctor's opinion to a lumberjack's. So if I want to know what control method is best for a video game, wouldn'tI want to consult a video game expert?
[QUOTE="Ontain"]it's a fact that the reviewer says it made the game better. just like it's a fact that he gave a game a score.Vandalvideo
Yes, it is a fact that the reviewers sad it makes the game better. However, that does not make the assertion that it made the game better a fact. Its still an opinion.
but dont you think that some opinions are better than others. You say that a game reviewer's opinion is just another opinion but is that right? Didn't they earn qualifications in some way? For instance, if there is something wrong with my stomach, I would much prefer a doctor's opinion to a lumberjack's. So if I want to know what control method is best for a video game, wouldn'tI want to consult a video game expert?GunSmith1_basic
In reality, no opinion holds precedence over another. All opinions are equally as valid.
That's nice, but so far the trade off isn't worth it. The Wii reviews have more complaints about the Wiimore than praise.
-Xeno-
I'm actually surprised most of them came from specific company games and ports... Since I actually thought a lot of games that did not belong there, would have some trouble... but it seems that they're doing alright. After all, a lot of companies never really worked with this kind of tech.
Impressive, a puzzle game got 8.5. Even with the new review system, that is neat. I think in order to utilize the Wii's control best, we need more games like Trauma Center, that game used the controls perfectly in my opinion. It is a far from perfect game, but damn is it innovative.
The other idea that really sticks out in my mind is a real Paper Mario game for the Wii, sure Super Paper Mario is a good game (and I have owned and almost beat it now), it just cannot compare to the first two. I think it would be funif it went back to the turn-based battle system, and you did a neat little action with the Wii Remote in order to get that extra bit of damage/defense. Also, a Paper Mario on the DS would be a good thing too.
[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]but dont you think that some opinions are better than others. You say that a game reviewer's opinion is just another opinion but is that right? Didn't they earn qualifications in some way? For instance, if there is something wrong with my stomach, I would much prefer a doctor's opinion to a lumberjack's. So if I want to know what control method is best for a video game, wouldn'tI want to consult a video game expert?Vandalvideo
In reality, no opinion holds precedence over another. All opinions are equally as valid. i might agree if it were something like preference for the artistic direction or something equivalent, but controls are pretty basic mechanics that have stayed constant over time. There have always been issues with control in games, and they have always been the same. A game with bad controls is one that is unresponsive and unintuitive. Good controls are the opposite. It's a spectrum too, with everything in between. If the wiimote simplifies some things then it deserves credit for that, just like it deserves scorn for the things it does poorly
[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]but dont you think that some opinions are better than others. You say that a game reviewer's opinion is just another opinion but is that right? Didn't they earn qualifications in some way? For instance, if there is something wrong with my stomach, I would much prefer a doctor's opinion to a lumberjack's. So if I want to know what control method is best for a video game, wouldn'tI want to consult a video game expert?GunSmith1_basic
In reality, no opinion holds precedence over another. All opinions are equally as valid. i might agree if it were something like preference for the artistic direction or something equivalent, but controls are pretty basic mechanics that have stayed constant over time. There have always been issues with control in games, and they have always been the same. A game with bad controls is one that is unresponsive and unintuitive. Good controls are the opposite. It's a spectrum too, with everything in between. If the wiimote simplifies some things then it deserves credit for that, just like it deserves scorn for the things it does poorly However, what one may find unintuitive and unresponsie one may find intuitive and responsive. Those are subjective experience. However, stating that, "This controller is more accuracy" is totally valid. Thats a fact.
[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]but dont you think that some opinions are better than others. You say that a game reviewer's opinion is just another opinion but is that right? Didn't they earn qualifications in some way? For instance, if there is something wrong with my stomach, I would much prefer a doctor's opinion to a lumberjack's. So if I want to know what control method is best for a video game, wouldn'tI want to consult a video game expert?Vandalvideo
In reality, no opinion holds precedence over another. All opinions are equally as valid.
not on this forums. the opinions of the reviewer are worth more otherwise my score is just as good as theirs.
[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]but dont you think that some opinions are better than others. You say that a game reviewer's opinion is just another opinion but is that right? Didn't they earn qualifications in some way? For instance, if there is something wrong with my stomach, I would much prefer a doctor's opinion to a lumberjack's. So if I want to know what control method is best for a video game, wouldn'tI want to consult a video game expert?Ontain
In reality, no opinion holds precedence over another. All opinions are equally as valid.
not on this forums. the opinions of the reviewer are worth more otherwise my score is just as good as theirs.
And in reality/society thats how it works. System Wars just has funny nonsensical rules like that. However, I wouldn't say a poorly written "OMG THIS GAME IS TEH BOMB" is as amicable as a well written two page review.
[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]but dont you think that some opinions are better than others. You say that a game reviewer's opinion is just another opinion but is that right? Didn't they earn qualifications in some way? For instance, if there is something wrong with my stomach, I would much prefer a doctor's opinion to a lumberjack's. So if I want to know what control method is best for a video game, wouldn'tI want to consult a video game expert?Vandalvideo
In reality, no opinion holds precedence over another. All opinions are equally as valid.
not on this forums. the opinions of the reviewer are worth more otherwise my score is just as good as theirs.
And in reality/society thats how it works. System Wars just has funny nonsensical rules like that. However, I wouldn't say a poorly written "OMG THIS GAME IS TEH BOMB" is as amicable as a well written two page review.
but in society we have ppl who's opinions are worth more as well. they are called consultants, analysists, advisors. everyone using them and count them higher than some random guy on the street.
but in society we have ppl who's opinions are worth more as well. they are called consultants, analysists, advisors. everyone using them and count them higher than some random guy on the street.Ontain
Validity and Value are two entirely seperate concepts here. Just because more people agree with a certain view point, does not by any stretch of the imagination make the opposing viewpoint less valid. Its still just as valid.
Why can't we just agree that different things work better than others? They all offer something, the gamepad, the Wiimote, the KB and M, they all offer something.
[QUOTE="Ontain"]but in society we have ppl who's opinions are worth more as well. they are called consultants, analysists, advisors. everyone using them and count them higher than some random guy on the street.Vandalvideo
Validity and Value are two entirely seperate concepts here. Just because more people agree with a certain view point, does not by any stretch of the imagination make the opposing viewpoint less valid. Its still just as valid.
i was talking about worth. and as i said some ppl's opinions are worth more than others. it doesn't make joe schome's opinion invalid for himself. but the other persons opinion is worth more.
[QUOTE="tree-branch"]and theres a thousand of more games made worse thanks to the wii mote.StealthSting
Care to list all the thousand Wii games that are made worse because of the Wiimote? I'll wait. :)
Are you sure you want that :lol: ? Sure it might be a myth... But what if the list if quite big :P ? *Looks at horrible ports*
That doesn't change the fact that the Wiimote should continue to be commercially sold, especially next gen for other consoles through a different name/design, also, there's no reason why it can't be accompianied by the gamepad. The Guitar Hero controller works for Guitar Hero games and Rock Band? Does that mean it shouldn't be used? Even if the Wii-mote is only good for so many games, it shouldn't be ditched all together.
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