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#51 LastRambo341
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[QUOTE="Demonjoe93"]

There are people out there that will always despise Nintendo for no real reasons other than it is a popular developer that makes popular games and that don't almost exclusively makes M rated games with gore, cussing, and sexual content.

BedBugMan
Let's be honest, the Wii's extreme amount of shovelware hasnt done Nintendo any favors in the eyes of alot of gamers this gen. Not really Nintendo's fault, but it's a fair criticism IMO. The Wii has alot of great games... but it has alot more horrible games, again, IMO.

Why is everyone talking about shovelware?? YOU DON'T have to BUY them!!
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an HD Wii would be as successful as the other two systems. people fail to realize WHY the wii sold so much at launch.
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#53 Bread_or_Decide
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HD and graphics are two separate things. Wii in HD is just like Beyond Good and Evil HD. Prettier but not a difference in graphics. Graphics upgrade would have allowed multiplats on the Wii.
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#54 LastRambo341
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[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]HD and graphics are two separate things. Wii in HD is just like Beyond Good and Evil HD. Prettier but not a difference in graphics. Graphics upgrade would have allowed multiplats on the Wii.

No, its the developers lack of efforts that is stopping the multiplats. Black Ops? Spiderman: Shattered Dimensions?
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#55 Phaze-Two
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shoulda woulda coulda. thats all you hear from Wii fans...

and btw it being HD wouldn't have made it not suck. it would have only sucked slightly less.

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#56 MFDOOM1983
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[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]HD and graphics are two separate things. Wii in HD is just like Beyond Good and Evil HD. Prettier but not a difference in graphics. Graphics upgrade would have allowed multiplats on the Wii.

No, its the developers lack of efforts that is stopping the multiplats. Black Ops? Spiderman: Shattered Dimensions?

two games running on dated but scalable engines?
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#57 LastRambo341
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[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"][QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]HD and graphics are two separate things. Wii in HD is just like Beyond Good and Evil HD. Prettier but not a difference in graphics. Graphics upgrade would have allowed multiplats on the Wii.

No, its the developers lack of efforts that is stopping the multiplats. Black Ops? Spiderman: Shattered Dimensions?

two games running on dated but scalable engines?

Yet the games play well??
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#58 Bread_or_Decide
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[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]HD and graphics are two separate things. Wii in HD is just like Beyond Good and Evil HD. Prettier but not a difference in graphics. Graphics upgrade would have allowed multiplats on the Wii.

No, its the developers lack of efforts that is stopping the multiplats. Black Ops? Spiderman: Shattered Dimensions?

Actually its the lack of thirdy party games selling on the Wii that stopped devs from even trying anything different except for extremely watered down version of black ops and shattered dimensions.
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#59 Bread_or_Decide
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Here's what will happen...Wii2 will come out just like the 3DS. No gameplay improvements..just better graphics. Sheep will suddenly love graphics and HD and multiplats. As if it didn't exist until that happened.
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#60 LastRambo341
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[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]HD and graphics are two separate things. Wii in HD is just like Beyond Good and Evil HD. Prettier but not a difference in graphics. Graphics upgrade would have allowed multiplats on the Wii.

No, its the developers lack of efforts that is stopping the multiplats. Black Ops? Spiderman: Shattered Dimensions?

Actually its the lack of thirdy party games selling on the Wii that stopped devs from even trying anything different except for extremely watered down version of black ops and shattered dimensions.

Third party games don't sell well on the Wii such as : 1) Piracy. Seriously look at the amount of copies pirated for HOTD:OK and the amount purchased 2) Lack of advertising and marketing 3) Quality. For example, taking an unpopular franchise (AT ITS TIME) like Dead Space and turn it into a rail shooter in which Wii owners got tired of. Games like the COD series, Red Steel 1, RE series, MH 3, Goldeneye etc. sold well
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Here's what will happen...Wii2 will come out just like the 3DS. No gameplay improvements..just better graphics. Sheep will suddenly love graphics and HD and multiplats. As if it didn't exist until that happened.Bread_or_Decide

Well, you won't seem me like that because I've been having that viewpoint ever since the SNES days. And LOL at the 3DS comment, here we go:

PS2 is a Ps3 with better graphics and no improvements. Same as NGP and PSP & XBOX and XBOX360

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#62 Bread_or_Decide
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[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="LastRambo341"] No, its the developers lack of efforts that is stopping the multiplats. Black Ops? Spiderman: Shattered Dimensions?

Actually its the lack of thirdy party games selling on the Wii that stopped devs from even trying anything different except for extremely watered down version of black ops and shattered dimensions.

Third party games don't sell well on the Wii such as : 1) Piracy. Seriously look at the amount of copies pirated for HOTD:OK and the amount purchased 2) Lack of advertising and marketing 3) Quality. For example, taking an unpopular franchise (AT ITS TIME) like Dead Space and turn it into a rail shooter in which Wii owners got tired of. Games like the COD series, Red Steel 1, RE series, MH 3, Goldeneye etc. sold well

Dead Space rail shooter...but I thought wii owners wanted a different experience instead of multiplats? Guess not, huh? Excuses...excuses...devs tried and failed. COD is a beast onto it's own. Red Steel was a launch title that tricked people into buying it. MH3 is an exception to the rule and so is Goldeneye. The list of sale flops outnumbers this tiny list of successes. Also compare those sales to what first party games sell on the Wii...and the fun truly begins.
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#63 LastRambo341
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[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"] Actually its the lack of thirdy party games selling on the Wii that stopped devs from even trying anything different except for extremely watered down version of black ops and shattered dimensions.

Third party games don't sell well on the Wii such as : 1) Piracy. Seriously look at the amount of copies pirated for HOTD:OK and the amount purchased 2) Lack of advertising and marketing 3) Quality. For example, taking an unpopular franchise (AT ITS TIME) like Dead Space and turn it into a rail shooter in which Wii owners got tired of. Games like the COD series, Red Steel 1, RE series, MH 3, Goldeneye etc. sold well

Dead Space rail shooter...but I thought wii owners wanted a different experience instead of multiplats? Guess not, huh? Excuses...excuses...devs tried and failed. COD is a beast onto it's own. Red Steel was a launch title that tricked people into buying it. MH3 is an exception to the rule and so is Goldeneye. The list of sale flops outnumbers this tiny list of successes. Also compare those sales to what first party games sell on the Wii...and the fun truly begins.

* No, but at least they should give us something better than a SHORT railshooter and make it play it like RE4 * You're telling me "excuses, excuses" but LOOK at yours :lol: * Duh, 1st party always outsells more, doesn't mean anything. I thought SALES don't matter. Hypocrisy, please stop. I gave 3 factual reasons that you can't give excuses of.
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#64 Lucianu
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And PC gamers are the one always yapping on about graphics.

Anyway in case you have been living in a cave, the Wii is dominating the console market.

Vesica_Prime

I don't know about that. From what i've seen, most people that hate on the Wii are boys playing one of the 'HD' twins, and that think that playing gritty, gray shooters is a superior experience. I laugh at that. Hard. There's no such thing as 'maturity' in playing casual shooters, or gore galore games.

Then there's the 'lack of third party'/'wii controller sucks' group. That's a legit complaint. I am also kinda sad that incredible games like Bayonetta and Vanquish did not made it on the Wii. Due to the lack of raw power and such, they would have not played well.

Nintendo still owned this generation though. But I would give anything for them to bring forth a powerful console soon. I would be the first one in line to buy it, it's sad that i have no interest in handheld gaming.

I personally don't give a **** about online on a console. I do have a PC more then capable of everything from high quality games, to online perfection. I consider the Wii as a good plus to my gaming variety.

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[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

And PC gamers are the one always yapping on about graphics.

Anyway in case you have been living in a cave, the Wii is dominating the console market.

Lucianu

I don't know about that. From what i've seen, most people that hate on the Wii are boys playing one of the 'HD' twins, and that think that playing gritty, gray shooters is a superior experience. I laugh at that. Hard. There's no such thing as 'maturity' in playing casual shooters, or gore galore games.

Then there's the 'lack of third party'/'wii controller sucks' group. That's a legit complaint. I am also kinda sad that incredible games like Bayonetta and Vanquish did not made it on the Wii. Due to the lack of raw power and such, they would have not played well.

Nintendo still owned this generation though. But I would give anything for them to bring forth a powerful console soon. I would be the first one in line to buy it, it's sad that i have no interest in handheld gaming.

I personally don't give a **** about online on a console. I do have a PC more then capable of everything from high quality games, to online perfection. I consider the Wii as a good plus to my gaming variety.

Dude, I'm pretty sure if Platinum Games made Madworld, they can make Bayonetta or another Hack n slash on the Wii
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#66 MFDOOM1983
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[QUOTE="Lucianu"]

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

And PC gamers are the one always yapping on about graphics.

Anyway in case you have been living in a cave, the Wii is dominating the console market.

LastRambo341

I don't know about that. From what i've seen, most people that hate on the Wii are boys playing one of the 'HD' twins, and that think that playing gritty, gray shooters is a superior experience. I laugh at that. Hard. There's no such thing as 'maturity' in playing casual shooters, or gore galore games.

Then there's the 'lack of third party'/'wii controller sucks' group. That's a legit complaint. I am also kinda sad that incredible games like Bayonetta and Vanquish did not made it on the Wii. Due to the lack of raw power and such, they would have not played well.

Nintendo still owned this generation though. But I would give anything for them to bring forth a powerful console soon. I would be the first one in line to buy it, it's sad that i have no interest in handheld gaming.

I personally don't give a **** about online on a console. I do have a PC more then capable of everything from high quality games, to online perfection. I consider the Wii as a good plus to my gaming variety.

Dude, I'm pretty sure if Platinum Games made Madworld, they can make Bayonetta or another Hack n slash on the Wii

If they gimp it enough.
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#67 LastRambo341
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[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="Lucianu"]

I don't know about that. From what i've seen, most people that hate on the Wii are boys playing one of the 'HD' twins, and that think that playing gritty, gray shooters is a superior experience. I laugh at that. Hard. There's no such thing as 'maturity' in playing casual shooters, or gore galore games.

Then there's the 'lack of third party'/'wii controller sucks' group. That's a legit complaint. I am also kinda sad that incredible games like Bayonetta and Vanquish did not made it on the Wii. Due to the lack of raw power and such, they would have not played well.

Nintendo still owned this generation though. But I would give anything for them to bring forth a powerful console soon. I would be the first one in line to buy it, it's sad that i have no interest in handheld gaming.

I personally don't give a **** about online on a console. I do have a PC more then capable of everything from high quality games, to online perfection. I consider the Wii as a good plus to my gaming variety.

MFDOOM1983

Dude, I'm pretty sure if Platinum Games made Madworld, they can make Bayonetta or another Hack n slash on the Wii

If they gimp it enough.

Not if they built it from the ground-up

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[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"][QUOTE="LastRambo341"] Dude, I'm pretty sure if Platinum Games made Madworld, they can make Bayonetta or another Hack n slash on the WiiLastRambo341

If they gimp it enough.

Not if they built it from the ground-up

Bayonetta was designed around a more powerful system. It would be gimped if it retained its current form.
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[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"][QUOTE="LastRambo341"] Dude, I'm pretty sure if Platinum Games made Madworld, they can make Bayonetta or another Hack n slash on the WiiLastRambo341

If they gimp it enough.

Not if they built it from the ground-up

They would cease to be themselves. You can't make every game with cell shading to hide a lack of graphics power ya know.
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#70 MFDOOM1983
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[QUOTE="LastRambo341"]

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]If they gimp it enough.Bread_or_Decide

Not if they built it from the ground-up

They would cease to be themselves. You can't make every game with cell shading to hide a lack of graphics power ya know.

Less polygons the better.
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Dude, I'm pretty sure if Platinum Games made Madworld, they can make Bayonetta or another Hack n slash on the WiiLastRambo341

It's funny that you mention that game. It's one of the most violent, over the top games i've ever played, and really fun to play, i have it in my library. It's a damn joke how just plain 'in your face' violent it is.

It's also funny how uninformed some are, they think that Nintendo's Wii does not contain violent games. I laugh hard at that aswell. It's artst yle is also extremely refreshing, developers should be more creative with their visuals like we have seen with Madworld. That's what i love about the Wii. More quantity of uniqueness that i cannot find on my PC.

That game's take on the visuals will make the game ageless no doubt, but if you strip away that and add traditional artst yle it would not look as fresh or good.

Vanquish and Bayonetta have a artst yle that is more traditional, in a sense. The Wii's power would not make for a good transition. For example compare CoD on the Wii, and the ones on the HD twins, and we would get a idea of the difference between a port of Bayonetta on the Wii.

It would not be cool.

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imagine the wii was released with full hd, i think that would have stomped out the competition. i mean, the biggest gripe about the wii is the graphics, which leads to crappier games, an hd wii would have had all the great multiplats on the ps3 and 360, plus the wii exclusives, plus COD hd....

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no the garbage games make the garbage games.
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#73 mike_on_mic
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I believe that it will not help the console. If it was released as HD, I think it would still be in the same position as everything else, no one will be worse or better off. People buy the 360 over the PS3, and vice versa, not because one has HD and the other doesn't. It all comes down to preference here, especially here. The rest of the people who bought the Wii, don't care that much about that kind of stuff.
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People here don't realize that when Nintendo was researching the population in North America who owned an HDTV, they got really low numbers. Such a smart move to release an HD console in that place and time, right?
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I've used it and games look markedly better, and quite a few friends use one and it works. More sharper?

WilliamRLBaker

You know that upscaling just takes a image like this, and turns it into this, right? Whether you consider it a improvement is subjective and entirely up to you, but it doesn't compare to the real resolution.

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Well, considering the Wii has sold like hot cakes this gen, I'm not sure why HD would really make them "own" more... but HD Wii would be nice. It's 2011. The Wii needs HD. BedBugMan
The Wii is a suped-up Gamecube. For cost reasons this was very important to Nintendo. Their 'revolution' was motion control. It could have flopped. The last thing Nintendo would have wanted was a high tech console that they lost money on each one that sold that ultimately flopped. It could have turned out VERY badly for Nintendo. HD hadn't taken off when Wii was in development and would added massively to Nintendo's costs if they had decided to support it.
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[QUOTE="right4dead"]

imagine the wii was released with full hd, i think that would have stomped out the competition. i mean, the biggest gripe about the wii is the graphics, which leads to crappier games, an hd wii would have had all the great multiplats on the ps3 and 360, plus the wii exclusives, plus COD hd....

streetridaz

no the garbage games make the garbage games.

Garbage games? Really?

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ABSOLUTELY NOT. 1. Price would go up. 2. The controllers. 3. The games. 4. Online. That pretty much sums it up
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[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

And PC gamers are the one always yapping on about graphics.

Anyway in case you have been living in a cave, the Wii is dominating the console market.

Lucianu

I don't know about that. From what i've seen, most people that hate on the Wii are boys playing one of the 'HD' twins, and that think that playing gritty, gray shooters is a superior experience. I laugh at that. Hard. There's no such thing as 'maturity' in playing casual shooters, or gore galore games.

Then there's the 'lack of third party'/'wii controller sucks' group. That's a legit complaint. I am also kinda sad that incredible games like Bayonetta and Vanquish did not made it on the Wii. Due to the lack of raw power and such, they would have not played well.

Nintendo still owned this generation though. But I would give anything for them to bring forth a powerful console soon. I would be the first one in line to buy it, it's sad that i have no interest in handheld gaming.

I personally don't give a **** about online on a console. I do have a PC more then capable of everything from high quality games, to online perfection. I consider the Wii as a good plus to my gaming variety.

It was actually sarcasm, sir.

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If they had known it was going to sell so well, they probably would have had better hardware in it.
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[QUOTE="Lucianu"]

[QUOTE="Vesica_Prime"]

And PC gamers are the one always yapping on about graphics.

Anyway in case you have been living in a cave, the Wii is dominating the console market.

Vesica_Prime

I don't know about that. From what i've seen, most people that hate on the Wii are boys playing one of the 'HD' twins, and that think that playing gritty, gray shooters is a superior experience. I laugh at that. Hard. There's no such thing as 'maturity' in playing casual shooters, or gore galore games.

Then there's the 'lack of third party'/'wii controller sucks' group. That's a legit complaint. I am also kinda sad that incredible games like Bayonetta and Vanquish did not made it on the Wii. Due to the lack of raw power and such, they would have not played well.

Nintendo still owned this generation though. But I would give anything for them to bring forth a powerful console soon. I would be the first one in line to buy it, it's sad that i have no interest in handheld gaming.

I personally don't give a **** about online on a console. I do have a PC more then capable of everything from high quality games, to online perfection. I consider the Wii as a good plus to my gaming variety.

It was actually sarcasm, sir.

Maybe an emoticon would have helped? Like maybe something like this: :roll:

That usually helps to tell that there is sarcasm.

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HD wouldn't make up for the cruddy motion sensing.

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#83 LastRambo341
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HD wouldn't make up for the cruddy motion sensing.

BakedDank420

Oh, so you're another one of those cool "core bro" gamers that hate motion controls and stick to the dated gamepad?

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imagine the wii was released with full hd, i think that would have stomped out the competition. i mean, the biggest gripe about the wii is the graphics, which leads to crappier games, an hd wii would have had all the great multiplats on the ps3 and 360, plus the wii exclusives, plus COD hd....

right4dead

Wrong. Wii actually didnt need HD at all. It wouldnt sell any better with HD. HD wouldnt make it any better anyway. And additionally, Nintendo can come out with much more powerful console right now and it would at least feel like a new generation. PS3 and 360 cant be replaced yet, because its not possible to make powerful enough console with a reasonable pricetag to feel like new generation over them yet.

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#85 wooooode
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I'm already playing Wii games in HD...however, I can't discuss in detail for fear of getting modded:(

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Not in any form of true HD, but the console would have been to expensive for the impulse buy and would have failed.
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#86 APiranhaAteMyVa
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the way I see it will people be playing super mario bros, mario galaxy and donkey kong country returns in 20 years? hell yeah.

do people still pay nes, snes, n64 and gamecube games? hell yeah. do they all look dated graphically... yeah. What does that tell you? that the games are what are important. (this applies to all consoles btw)

also lol at using call of duty as a graphically impressive game, it looks like **** even now.

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#87 Bozanimal
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The primary graphical problem is not really that the Wii cannot do HD, but that its ability to produce high resolution textures, effects, and other advanced graphical output is limited by its processing capabilities. Even at 480p (commonly known as EDTV) Wii graphics are pretty clunky with a lot of "stepping" on model edges and graphical anomalies, even in the visually-impressive titles like Metroid and Conduit. It simply cannot handle heavy anti-aliasing. Common XBox360 and PS3 games look far superior visually to Wii titles at standard definition output due to higher polygon counts, increase texture resolution, the ability to render more "clutter," etc.

I'm not sure what's going on next-generation, but every console this generation has had its own issues that caused gamers to split for one or another, be it cost, graphical power, DVD/HD DVD/Blu-ray support, third-party titles, or whatever. I would certainly not go so far as to say there is or is not a clear winner.

To be sure, though, Nintendo would be foolish to gamble on another machine with prior generation graphics for its next console.

Happy gaming,

Boz

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#88 dzimm
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imagine the wii was released with full hd, i think that would have stomped out the competition.right4dead

No kidding. I bet it would have sold more than the 360 and PS3 combined!

Oh, wait... :roll:

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#89 tomarlyn
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[QUOTE="BakedDank420"]

HD wouldn't make up for the cruddy motion sensing.

LastRambo341

Oh, so you're another one of those cool "core bro" gamers that hate motion controls and stick to the dated gamepad?

Please..... give me a break, most gamers will agree the dual analogue controllers this gen have been far more reliable. Have you been a ''bro gamer'' the last 4/5 generations then?

Or is this supposed to be the typical ''waggle'' fan like you? I can play your juvenile name calling game too :lol:

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#90 LastRambo341
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@tomarlyn

DA is slow compared to motion controls in FPSes

I at least am open-minded to try new things instead of being old-fashioned

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#91 tomarlyn
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@tomarlyn

DA is slow compared to motion controls in FPSes

I at least am open-minded to try new things instead of being old-fashioned

LastRambo341
We all like trying new things, new doesn't always mean better. Originality is overrated if it doesn't tick all the right boxes.
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#92 NanosuitLover
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If you want an HD FPS why not just play Killzone3+Playstation Move?

Even PC Games will have something similar, its called the Razer Sixense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auHSErC6ssE

With Kinect, Move, and soon Sixense, all wii will have going for it will be more casual/E rated games.