Analyst says, PC gaming is going to make the most $ out of all single platforms

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#1 Painballz
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US PC Gaming Revenues 2007 2.76 Billion +12%
US PC Gaming Revenues 2008 3.1 Billion +14% (Forcast)
Worldwide PC Gaming Revenues 2007 8.3 Billion +14%
Worldwide PC Gaming Revenues 2008 9.6 Billion +16%(Forcast)

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PC gaming is growing like Valve has said

PC made the 30% of ALL Sales last year and thats just counting retail meaning PC makes the most money out of all single platforms and DD is larger than retail on PC by a huge margin.

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#2 aliblabla2007
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Finally, a Painballz thread that doesn't have "PC GAMING FTW" in the OP.
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#3 lowe0
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Yeah, we all know WoW is a license to print money. So?
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#4 kryloc
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US PC Gaming Revenues 2007 2.76 Billion +12%
US PC Gaming Revenues 2008 3.1 Billion +14% (Forcast)
Worldwide PC Gaming Revenues 2007 8.3 Billion +14%
Worldwide PC Gaming Revenues 2008 9.6 Billion +16%(Forcast)

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PC gaming is growing like Valve has said

PC made the 30% of ALL Sales last year and thats just counting retail meaning PC makes the most money out of all single platforms and DD is larger than retail on PC by a huge margin.

Painballz

PC Games made 30% of sales in retail? Not likely. PC games are a dying category in Brick and Morter stores. Online sales and subscriptions are what's doing it for them right now.

And you can't compare PCs to each individual console. PCs are a category, consoles are one, and handhelds are another(you could throw in cellphones). The PC industry isn't losing market share and developers to just the 360 or Wii, it's losing it to consoles. But both industries are finding new revenue streams and staying healthy.

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#5 Franko_3
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[QUOTE="Painballz"]

US PC Gaming Revenues 2007 2.76 Billion +12%
US PC Gaming Revenues 2008 3.1 Billion +14% (Forcast)
Worldwide PC Gaming Revenues 2007 8.3 Billion +14%
Worldwide PC Gaming Revenues 2008 9.6 Billion +16%(Forcast)

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PC gaming is growing like Valve has said

PC made the 30% of ALL Sales last year and thats just counting retail meaning PC makes the most money out of all single platforms and DD is larger than retail on PC by a huge margin.

kryloc

PC Games made 30% of sales in retail? Not likely. PC games are a dying category in Brick and Morter stores. Online sales and subscriptions are what's doing it for them right now.

And you can't compare PCs to each individual console. PCs are a category, consoles are one, and handhelds are another(you could throw in cellphones). The PC industry isn't losing market share and developers to just the 360 or Wii, it's losing it to consoles. But both industries are finding new revenue streams and staying healthy.

maybe in the us, but in Europe pc game have more shelve space than all the console game together in France and probably Germany and some other, but I dunno for sure.

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#6 Shadow2k6
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US PC Gaming Revenues 2007 2.76 Billion +12%
US PC Gaming Revenues 2008 3.1 Billion +14% (Forcast)
Worldwide PC Gaming Revenues 2007 8.3 Billion +14%
Worldwide PC Gaming Revenues 2008 9.6 Billion +16%(Forcast)

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PC gaming is growing like Valve has said

PC made the 30% of ALL Sales last year and thats just counting retail meaning PC makes the most money out of all single platforms and DD is larger than retail on PC by a huge margin.

Painballz

PC Gaming is a flop at retail in the US. Theres a reason why around the holidays you hardly see anyone in the PC games section. DD is where its at for PC gaming,

Also I wouldn't agree with any analyst. First they say PC gaming is dying now they say its the biggest?

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#7 laughingman42
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[QUOTE="kryloc"][QUOTE="Painballz"]

US PC Gaming Revenues 2007 2.76 Billion +12%
US PC Gaming Revenues 2008 3.1 Billion +14% (Forcast)
Worldwide PC Gaming Revenues 2007 8.3 Billion +14%
Worldwide PC Gaming Revenues 2008 9.6 Billion +16%(Forcast)

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PC gaming is growing like Valve has said

PC made the 30% of ALL Sales last year and thats just counting retail meaning PC makes the most money out of all single platforms and DD is larger than retail on PC by a huge margin.

Franko_3

PC Games made 30% of sales in retail? Not likely. PC games are a dying category in Brick and Morter stores. Online sales and subscriptions are what's doing it for them right now.

And you can't compare PCs to each individual console. PCs are a category, consoles are one, and handhelds are another(you could throw in cellphones). The PC industry isn't losing market share and developers to just the 360 or Wii, it's losing it to consoles. But both industries are finding new revenue streams and staying healthy.

maybe in the us, but in Europe pc game have more shelve space than all the console game together in France and probably Germany and some other, but I dunno for sure.

thats crazy. They really don't get that much shelf space here. and I'm not saying that this applies to all US PC gamers but all of my hermit friends almost exclusively use steam just because it is so convenient and cheaper alot of the times.

On a different note, I've heard that PC gaming is pretty much the same price or sometimes cheaper than console gaming in Europe. Is that true?

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#8 Painballz
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[QUOTE="Painballz"]

US PC Gaming Revenues 2007 2.76 Billion +12%
US PC Gaming Revenues 2008 3.1 Billion +14% (Forcast)
Worldwide PC Gaming Revenues 2007 8.3 Billion +14%
Worldwide PC Gaming Revenues 2008 9.6 Billion +16%(Forcast)

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PC gaming is growing like Valve has said

PC made the 30% of ALL Sales last year and thats just counting retail meaning PC makes the most money out of all single platforms and DD is larger than retail on PC by a huge margin.

Shadow2k6

PC Gaming is a flop at retail in the US. Theres a reason why around the holidays you hardly see anyone in the PC games section. DD is where its at for PC gaming,

Also I wouldn't agree with any analyst. First they say PC gaming is dying now they say its the biggest?

yes

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#9 kryloc
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[QUOTE="kryloc"][QUOTE="Painballz"]

US PC Gaming Revenues 2007 2.76 Billion +12%
US PC Gaming Revenues 2008 3.1 Billion +14% (Forcast)
Worldwide PC Gaming Revenues 2007 8.3 Billion +14%
Worldwide PC Gaming Revenues 2008 9.6 Billion +16%(Forcast)

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PC gaming is growing like Valve has said

PC made the 30% of ALL Sales last year and thats just counting retail meaning PC makes the most money out of all single platforms and DD is larger than retail on PC by a huge margin.

Franko_3

PC Games made 30% of sales in retail? Not likely. PC games are a dying category in Brick and Morter stores. Online sales and subscriptions are what's doing it for them right now.

And you can't compare PCs to each individual console. PCs are a category, consoles are one, and handhelds are another(you could throw in cellphones). The PC industry isn't losing market share and developers to just the 360 or Wii, it's losing it to consoles. But both industries are finding new revenue streams and staying healthy.

maybe in the us, but in Europe pc game have more shelve space than all the console game together in France and probably Germany and some other, but I dunno for sure.

Perhaps, but is it enough to counter the decline in the US? In the US PC game selection is constantly shrinking to make room for console stuff. GH and Rockband aren't helping any...

I'm just arguing with him saying the sales come from retail. Online sells really aren't tracked so any reports most likely won't include those. I wonder how great PC gaming would be doing if it wasn't for WoW? Bringing in 150million a month in subscrition fees not including box product sales.

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#10 Franko_3
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gaming is pretty much the same price or sometimes cheaper than console gaming in Europe. Is that true?laughingman42

Indeed, it cost a lot less to be a pc gamer. A console game in Europe nornally cost around 60 to 70 euro=110$us. For example, gtaIV on the ps3 or the xbox is 65 euro=101$us. The big pc title are only 50 euro=80$ and they drop extremely fast to 20-30 euro normally. For example, I can find bioshock for 20 euro at my local shop, while it's still 60 euro on the x360! Another example, Assasin creed pc is around 40 euro atm.

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[QUOTE="laughingman42"]gaming is pretty much the same price or sometimes cheaper than console gaming in Europe. Is that true?Franko_3

Indeed, it cost a lot less to be a pc gamer. A console game in Europe nornally cost around 60 to 70 euro=110$us. For example, gtaIV on the ps3 or the xbox is 65 euro=101$us. The big pc title are only 50 euro=80$ and they drop extremely fast to 20-30 euro normally. For example, I can find bioshock for 20 euro at my local shop, while it's still 60 euro on the x360! Another example, Assasin creed pc is around 40 euro atm.

wow that is a big difference. what about hardware prices?

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#12 Franko_3
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[QUOTE="Franko_3"]

[QUOTE="laughingman42"]gaming is pretty much the same price or sometimes cheaper than console gaming in Europe. Is that true?laughingman42

Indeed, it cost a lot less to be a pc gamer. A console game in Europe nornally cost around 60 to 70 euro=110$us. For example, gtaIV on the ps3 or the xbox is 65 euro=101$us. The big pc title are only 50 euro=80$ and they drop extremely fast to 20-30 euro normally. For example, I can find bioshock for 20 euro at my local shop, while it's still 60 euro on the x360! Another example, Assasin creed pc is around 40 euro atm.

wow that is a big difference. what about hardware prices?

It's more expansive to buy computer part in Europe than in Canada or the Us. Personally, since I am only in Europe because of a student exchange program, I buy my hardware from place in the Canada and my parent send it to France after to save more $.

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#13 mclovin401
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wouldnt doubt it.

ps3 "10 year plan"

360 - only the rrod gods could say

wii - well, you know.

pc - "time for the monthly upgrade".............its a little extreme i know, but you get the point.

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#14 TMontana1004
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PC gaming is getting stomped by console gaming even if it manages to do better than a single platform though.
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PC gaming is getting stomped by console gaming even if it manages to do better than a single platform though.TMontana1004

Combining 6 game systems (360, PS3, Wii, DS, PSP, PS2) against the PC does not equal "getting stomped" by console gaming.

If the PC makes up 30% of the market (that's just the US, where PC gaming isn't particularly strong compared to Europe or Asia), then it makes up more of the market than any two other systems combined using averages (70%/6 = slightly over 11% per system).

Given that handhelds outsell consoles by massive margins (the DS alone outsold all next-gen consoles combined), I'd say that the PC probably takes a bigger chunk of the market than all of the consoles combined, but loses to PS2/PSP/DS.

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Can you please stop making threads??? lol...

Your just as bad a saolin

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#17 mudman91878
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[QUOTE="Painballz"]

US PC Gaming Revenues 2007 2.76 Billion +12%
US PC Gaming Revenues 2008 3.1 Billion +14% (Forcast)
Worldwide PC Gaming Revenues 2007 8.3 Billion +14%
Worldwide PC Gaming Revenues 2008 9.6 Billion +16%(Forcast)

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PC gaming is growing like Valve has said

PC made the 30% of ALL Sales last year and thats just counting retail meaning PC makes the most money out of all single platforms and DD is larger than retail on PC by a huge margin.

kryloc

And you can't compare PCs to each individual console. PCs are a category, consoles are one, and handhelds are another(you could throw in cellphones). The PC industry isn't losing market share and developers to just the 360 or Wii, it's losing it to consoles. But both industries are finding new revenue streams and staying healthy.

WRONG!

You can't team up the PS3 and 360 against the PC. They are separate, period. When you can buy a PS3 game and play it on your 360, then you can pair them together, until then, they are separate.

I love how consolites try and add together sales from 6 systems to try and make it look like PC gaming isn't doing well. PC gaming brings in more revenue that any console or handheld, get over it.

I'm pretty sure PC bringing in 30% of all gaming revenue is not just retail.

...and to anybody who thins WoW is a huge chunk of it, it's not as big as you bould believe.

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#18 angelkimne
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Can you please stop making threads??? lol...

Your just as bad a saolin

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#19 thegoldenpoo
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its common sense, the pc's install base is almost limitless
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#20 HaSheeSh_basic
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Just because pc gaming is at 30% doesn't necessarily mean it's the highest.
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#21 Bubblehash
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WOW this thread cracks me up big time. All the consolites in major damage control (and always in denial). And the funniest ones are those wanting to use all the consoles against the PC. To all consolites, the PC says thanks for the complement. Cause when you have to team up on the PC, that's a complement to the PC. Please keep it up so when I come back to read this again, I can get some more laughs.
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#22 Popadophalis
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well it does have the biggest userbase ;)
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#23 Pro_wrestler
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So its PC gaming versus Xbox 360 gaming, versus PS3 gaming, versus Wii gaming versus DS gaming etc? I didn't realise they were the same thing:o
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#24 Pro_wrestler
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well it does have the biggest userbase ;)Popadophalis

Link?

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[QUOTE="Popadophalis"]well it does have the biggest userbase ;)Pro_wrestler

Link?

Well, something like 9 million people play WoW alone, so it's not that big of a stretch.
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#26 -GhostMLD-
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Good, all MS has to do is make more devs use Games For Windows and they will be reaping the benefits.

Hermits supporting MS FTW!!!

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#27 laughingman42
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[QUOTE="Popadophalis"]well it does have the biggest userbase ;)Pro_wrestler

Link?

please tell me that you are kidding.

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#28 Pro_wrestler
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[Well, something like 9 million people play WoW alone, so it's not that big of a stretch.
funnymario

That settles it, every PC game must be as large as WOW.

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]

[QUOTE="Popadophalis"]well it does have the biggest userbase ;)laughingman42

Link?

please tell me that you are kidding.

Nope, 263 million PC gamers worldwide =/= the largest userbase. Too many anomolies to draw such a conclusive statement, I don't care if it would seem as though, I want proof:P

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#29 mudman91878
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[QUOTE="funnymario"][Well, something like 9 million people play WoW alone, so it's not that big of a stretch.
Pro_wrestler

That settles it, every PC game must be as large as WOW.

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]

[QUOTE="Popadophalis"]well it does have the biggest userbase ;)laughingman42

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please tell me that you are kidding.

Nope, 263 million PC gamers worldwide =/= the largest userbase. Too many anomolies to draw such a conclusive statement, I don't care if it would seem as though, I want proof:P

http://www.developmag.com/news/29331/The-PC-market-is-not-dying-says-newly-formed-PC-Gaming-Alliance

PC gaming is the largest form of gaming worldwide, deal with it.

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#30 jangojay
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Good, all MS has to do is make more devs use Games For Windows and they will be reaping the benefits.

Hermits supporting MS FTW!!!

-GhostMLD-

Do you know what games for windows mean? Lets put it this way.. it's not something M$ makes you use) ;). Also games for windows costs M$ money.

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#31 skrat_01
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PC gaming over DD and Retail is very profitable...

Its the broadest gaming market by a landslide

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#32 porky_ownsu
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analysist says "shut the hell up painballz."
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#33 Bloodseeker23
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Can you please stop making threads??? lol...

Your just as bad a saolin

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#34 tenaka2
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Just because pc gaming is at 30% doesn't necessarily mean it's the highest.HaSheeSh_basic

Errr yes it does, thats pretty basic math.

What part you having trouble with is it the sign '%'?

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#35 nuge004
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The only thing I use my PC for is porn and anime, revenue that!
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#36 Danm_999
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Anyone who doesn't base their understanding of global gaming economics on how much space PC game boxes take up at EB (which sadly, is a large amount of people) already knows the PC is the single largest and most profitable form of gaming there is.

It's not really too surprising when you consider the decentralized nature of PC gaming.

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#37 martingm1983
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Wow, can I become a PC game anyalst? Please?

I don't care what these analyst's opinions are. It's obvious that through the past decades, the explosion of in home entertainment ( NES > SNES > SEGA > PLAYSTATION > N64 > X30 > PS3 > WII > ... FUTURE..) has consolidated the simple tasks that American's and everyone around the world does. Web surfing, Myspace, YouTube, ect... are now more accessed simply because of the new introductory technologies of multimedia interaction.

The P.C. has an amazing advantage. It's operating system has become entrenched and intruded every aspect of American society and every point of the modern and developing world. But what the P.C. has a very hard time doing is remaining price stable. Now you might be the son / daughter of a fairly well affluent family and can keep up with the technology, but chances are you are not. Just like the majority of us. We have to chose a console that we best suit our needs and future wants without the worry of a wasteful expenditure. To clarify my price stability statement, I solely refer to gaming. It is impossible to keep up with the industry. And this is exactly where consoles will soon lead the way.

A unified console, similar to a P.C., will create such a connective hub across the entire world that it's almost ridiculous to invest more and more money into two separate objectives while the future points to a conclusion of integration to simply and greatly, greatly streamline communication AND entertainment across the globe.

The only problems I can foresee are simply economic based problems... and these will indubitably endure the test of time. Game studios and console developers create their products solely on profit margins. With a unified console that would integrate ever aspect of a P.C., development costs would be drastically reduced and allow ever increasing expansion into developing worlds at lower and lower production costs. To even make the situation more beneficial, why not allow simple expansions to the console that would increase ram, processing power, etc... at reasonable prices because of the mass production.

Competition is wonderful among our current economy, but it has also lead to some ridiculous variations of income dispersion through the U.S. and even the world. I personally believe that Microsoft should take the responsibility of creating the console, allowing open based programming to everyone that cares to develop, and let Sony and Nintendo stick to what they do the best; software.

I know there will be multiple objections to my idea's, but Microsoft holds the largest market of the P.C. industry and would thus have the greatest amount of capital to employ such a large scale operation. This would not be a monopoly. This would be a wonderful benefit to society and the explosion of globalization.

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The only problems I can foresee are simply economic based problems... and these will indubitably endure the test of time. Game studios and console developers create their products solely on profit margins. With a unified console that would integrate ever aspect of a P.C., development costs would be drastically reduced and allow ever increasing expansion into developing worlds at lower and lower production costs. To even make the situation more beneficial, why not allow simple expansions to the console that would increase ram, processing power, etc... at reasonable prices because of the mass production.

martingm1983

So you want a company to make a box that does everything a pc does...... we already have those. They are called PC's.

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#39 martingm1983
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I understand that you think I'm a moron.. congrats. But let me put a little more info into it.

Consider the fact that a P.C. is about the size of... what... a medium sized dog? ( Terrible example...) What I see as a prominent future is not one where thirteen different companies produce such a large and massive amount of programs for so many different operating systems, but rather a console that can do exactly the same as a P.C. and include the gaming aspect just as efficiently.

Television technology has created a revolution of enjoying high definition viewing and thus blow the industry into a mayhem. Everyone wants to know how well the (PS3/360/Wii/) compare on different televisions and how each industry offers their customer's different incentives for subsequent inquires and explorations. The rewards are great. But the competition that results from N/S/M creates such an oligopoly that there seems to be no single way for any new entry into the market besides Apple.

My idea revolves around the a platform that includes such expandability on a foundation of open sourced information and sharing of contributions to the industry and expansionary efforts. I wouldn't simply expect Microsoft to retain every aspect of profit from the production, but rather a type of merging of technological information that would lead to a console of amazing proportion and production. If each major company agreed on an ideal platform and implemented their ideas to a board of reasonable, top positioned holders (that truly hold an interest in the expansion of their works), a universal medium would create the following:

1. Production costs would plummet.

2. Expansionary principles intact; future revenue would almost certainly be achieve through the expansion of the system.

3. Software for the console would become a major strong-point. I'm not asking that the console play every game ever made, rather to allow licensed games to be played with certain criteria. (Of which I'm not sure how they can determine.. or would determine)

4. A unified console would allow production to increase at such a large rate, developing nations would be allowed access to unheard of information for cheap, cheap prices. And even if the consoles, after such large production, are too costly, the corp.'s could allow the nations to adapt their technology at the cost of holding to it. For at least the life of the product.

Although competition is wonderful, and our economic system is based off of it's principles, I seriously believe a new way to expand and ease the spread of information would be MUCH easier through a modern medium.

My principle relies heavily on the idea of the modern television system taking intact.

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Come on people. This is a very good introductary point of an emerging trend. More discussion pleae -____-
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#41 br0kenrabbit
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Come on people. This is a very good introductary point of an emerging trend. More discussion pleae -____-martingm1983
No, the future of games is in services. We may have one more round of traditional consoles, but after that you can bet assured they'll just sell interface appliances and have all the gaming hardware on their end of the line. Broadcast gaming is the future, it's an economic must.
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[QUOTE="Popadophalis"]well it does have the biggest userbase ;)Pro_wrestler

Link?

http://www.census.gov/prod/2005pubs/p23-208.pdf

old data, but in 2003 there were 70.000.000 (62%) households with PCs and 62,000,000(55%) with internet access.

There is no newer Census data, but other sites claim the numbers are hitting 75-80% in 2007-2008.

Now think about this.

The US alone has more PCs than any console's WORLD WIDE SALES ever besides the PS2 and handhelds.

PCs are even more widespread in the EU, korea, etc. Israel has the highest number of computers per capita in the world. The number of computers in the world is supposed to reach 1,000,000,000 sometime this year.

Why is it unreasonable to think that 20% of the computers in the world are capable of playing video games?

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#43 martingm1983
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[QUOTE="martingm1983"]Come on people. This is a very good introductary point of an emerging trend. More discussion pleae -____-br0kenrabbit
No, the future of games is in services. We may have one more round of traditional consoles, but after that you can bet assured they'll just sell interface appliances and have all the gaming hardware on their end of the line. Broadcast gaming is the future, it's an economic must.

Very, very wonderful point. But I can't see the United States addapting that technology with their stubborn, self driven profit machine. I.E. Capitalism :D But I must hearld your idea.

I personally believe that with faster, more easily accesible use to the internet, Moviestudio's will completely cut out the middle man and simply purchase every cable provider in the U.S. and create massive HD's of all their past/present movies and allow subscriptions to their servers on a monthly basis. Thus destroying Blockbuster :( and any competitors.

I do enjoy the set top box ideals of streaming HD movies, but yet again, the competition creates boundaries because of their clauses with certain movie industries.

The only flaw I can derive of your idea is the bandwidth. Unless we develop a better infrastructure for our Internet, the bandwidth will be over employed create numerous problems; gaming being the least important.

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http://www.census.gov/prod/2005pubs/p23-208.pdf

old data, but in 2003 there were 70.000.000 (62%) households with PCs and 62,000,000(55%) with internet access.

There is no newer Census data, but other sites claim the numbers are hitting 75-80% in 2007-2008.

Now think about this.

The US alone has more PCs than any console's WORLD WIDE SALES ever besides the PS2 and handhelds.

PCs are even more widespread in the EU, korea, etc. Israel has the highest number of computers per capita in the world. The number of computers in the world is supposed to reach 1,000,000,000 sometime this year.

Why is it unreasonable to think that 20% of the computers in the world are capable of playing video games?

Wartzay

Still no proof siting it has the largest userbase?

http://www.developmag.com/news/29331/The-PC-market-is-not-dying-says-newly-formed-PC-Gaming-Alliance

PC gaming is the largest form of gaming worldwide, deal with it.

laughingman42

Were in that article does it say, 263mln = the largest userbase:(. Face it, there is no way to much such a conclusive statement based on data thats untrackable.

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[QUOTE="Wartzay"]

http://www.census.gov/prod/2005pubs/p23-208.pdf

old data, but in 2003 there were 70.000.000 (62%) households with PCs and 62,000,000(55%) with internet access.

There is no newer Census data, but other sites claim the numbers are hitting 75-80% in 2007-2008.

Now think about this.

The US alone has more PCs than any console's WORLD WIDE SALES ever besides the PS2 and handhelds.

PCs are even more widespread in the EU, korea, etc. Israel has the highest number of computers per capita in the world. The number of computers in the world is supposed to reach 1,000,000,000 sometime this year.

Why is it unreasonable to think that 20% of the computers in the world are capable of playing video games?

Pro_wrestler

Still no proof siting it has the largest userbase?

http://www.developmag.com/news/29331/The-PC-market-is-not-dying-says-newly-formed-PC-Gaming-Alliance

PC gaming is the largest form of gaming worldwide, deal with it.

laughingman42

Were in that article does it say, 263mln = the largest userbase:(. Face it, there is no way to much such a conclusive statement based on data thats untrackable.

I gave you a link and you're still in denial? That's not my problem. 263 million is the largest, easily. We all know how many consoles are sold and no console has sold that many, therefore it's the largest.

Keep denying facts all you want, PC is the most popular gaming platform, you can learn to accept it or you can run around continuing to spout off misinformation.

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Still no proof siting it has the largest userbase?

Pro_wrestler

Its already been proved, look at the evidence. Chosing to repeat 'It's not true! It's not true!' while rocking back and forth will not change the facts.

May as well try to prove to a blind man that grass is green.

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#47 clone01
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Finally, a Painballz thread that doesn't have "PC GAMING FTW" in the OP.aliblabla2007

no doubt. a constructive thread? the mere notion is mind-boggling!

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Not really "news" considering we all know World of Warcraft makes like a billion dollars a year on its own (exadgerationg, I know). And people still spend a fortune on The Sims and are waiting eagerly for Sims 3 to come out. Not to mention the millions who will undoubtedly buy Spore. Hell, even I am thinking of upgrading my PC for Spore.

I don't really get why hermits thinks this news counters the people who say PC gaming is "dying". I don't believe PC gaming is dying, but I also don't believe the two arguements are mutually exclusive. Seems to me that PC gaming is becoming more and more concentrated in terms of this money. I mean, if you took out WoW receipts, how much would that impact the totals? Probably a hell of a lot.

Take recent politics as an example. The gap between rich and poor keeps growing and growing. More and more people in the "middle class" are moving down the economic chain. But because the wealthy are getting wealthier, and corporations are making more and more money (at the expensive of massive debt for everyone else)...people act like the economy is booming. In reality, the economy is doing quite poorly but the reporting is skewed by the massively increase in wealth for a few.

Granted, hermits will jump down my throat for even suggesting this is possible. I'm not saying it is the truth...I'm just kicking around ideas.

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Not really "news" considering we all know World of Warcraft makes like a billion dollars a year on its own (exadgerationg, I know). And people still spend a fortune on The Sims and are waiting eagerly for Sims 3 to come out. Not to mention the millions who will undoubtedly buy Spore. Hell, even I am thinking of upgrading my PC for Spore.

I don't really get why hermits thinks this news counters the people who say PC gaming is "dying". I don't believe PC gaming is dying, but I also don't believe the two arguements are mutually exclusive. Seems to me that PC gaming is becoming more and more concentrated in terms of this money. I mean, if you took out WoW receipts, how much would that impact the totals? Probably a hell of a lot.

Take recent politics as an example. The gap between rich and poor keeps growing and growing. More and more people in the "middle class" are moving down the economic chain. But because the wealthy are getting wealthier, and corporations are making more and more money (at the expensive of massive debt for everyone else)...people act like the economy is booming. In reality, the economy is doing quite poorly but the reporting is skewed by the massively increase in wealth for a few.

Granted, hermits will jump down my throat for even suggesting this is possible. I'm not saying it is the truth...I'm just kicking around ideas.

ZIMdoom

I think that is incorrect, on a global scale we are actually all getting richer all the time (average obviously, there are always exceptions).

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#50 deactivated-5dd711115e664
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[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

Not really "news" considering we all know World of Warcraft makes like a billion dollars a year on its own (exadgerationg, I know). And people still spend a fortune on The Sims and are waiting eagerly for Sims 3 to come out. Not to mention the millions who will undoubtedly buy Spore. Hell, even I am thinking of upgrading my PC for Spore.

I don't really get why hermits thinks this news counters the people who say PC gaming is "dying". I don't believe PC gaming is dying, but I also don't believe the two arguements are mutually exclusive. Seems to me that PC gaming is becoming more and more concentrated in terms of this money. I mean, if you took out WoW receipts, how much would that impact the totals? Probably a hell of a lot.

Take recent politics as an example. The gap between rich and poor keeps growing and growing. More and more people in the "middle class" are moving down the economic chain. But because the wealthy are getting wealthier, and corporations are making more and more money (at the expensive of massive debt for everyone else)...people act like the economy is booming. In reality, the economy is doing quite poorly but the reporting is skewed by the massively increase in wealth for a few.

Granted, hermits will jump down my throat for even suggesting this is possible. I'm not saying it is the truth...I'm just kicking around ideas.

tenaka2

I think that is incorrect, on a global scale we are actually all getting richer all the time (average obviously, there are always exceptions).

ON a "global scale" there is a set amount of resources that get shared and passed around. The idea that we are ALL getting richer all the time is a fundamental misjudgement in thinking.