Analysts are blind

Seriously, more analysts thinks that the PS3 is going to win this gen when me and many others would tend to think that it'll go 3rd (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6170234.html?action=convert&om_clk=latestnews&tag=latestnews;title;0). What the heck is up with that? Do you people think that they are right? I mean, they are professionals who get paid to do this... Discuss.

Thats because your not smart as an analyst your just a fanboy who goes where the wind blows

If the war ended in 2 years you might be right. :?

Seriously, more analysts thinks that the PS3 is going to win this gen when me and many others would tend to think that it'll go 3rd (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6170234.html?action=convert&om_clk=latestnews&tag=latestnews;title;0). What the heck is up with that? Do you people think that they are right? I mean, they are professionals who get paid to do this... Discuss.

gamespot813

Find who paid'em, and you'll find your answer. 

Seriously, more analysts thinks that the PS3 is going to win this gen when me and many others would tend to think that it'll go 3rd (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6170234.html?action=convert&om_clk=latestnews&tag=latestnews;title;0). What the heck is up with that? Do you people think that they are right? I mean, they are professionals who get paid to do this... Discuss.

gamespot813

 Their BS is worth more than your BS. That is why they get paid.

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Seriously, more analysts thinks that the PS3 is going to win this gen when me and many others would tend to think that it'll go 3rd (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6170234.html?action=convert&om_clk=latestnews&tag=latestnews;title;0). What the heck is up with that? Do you people think that they are right? I mean, they are professionals who get paid to do this... Discuss.

SER69

Find who paid'em, and you'll find your answer. 

Urm... Sony? lol.

Well most analysts are much smarter than the average guy on System Wars, so they are probably right. They understand more about the average consumer. I however disagree with analysts and think PS3 will finish 3rd. But my opinion is based on personal feelings and no fact.Drizzt13

Yeah, I agree. I too think that the PS3 is going to finish 3rd. But I can't believe that many analysts still think that PS3 will finish 1st when all things point out that it'll finish 2nd at best.

because those analysts see things as long term. they said that PS 3 will not overtake the competition for the first 2 years, but once the price can be reduced after 2 years, and all big titles were out for the PS 3, then they think (again not me, don't flame me)  PS 3 will win the war.

[QUOTE="Drizzt13"]Well most analysts are much smarter than the average guy on System Wars, so they are probably right. They understand more about the average consumer. I however disagree with analysts and think PS3 will finish 3rd. But my opinion is based on personal feelings and no fact.gamespot813

Yeah, I agree. I too think that the PS3 is going to finish 3rd. But I can't believe that many analysts still think that PS3 will finish 1st when all things point out that it'll finish 2nd at best.

Lol,they're blind because they actually realize the console war is 5 years and not 6 months,and that by 2010 the Ps3 will retail for less than $400,have AAA games and dozens of AA games,PsHome,thousands of Blu-ray movies,etc.?Dualshockin

I see... So you are saying that PS3 will sell like it is doing now for 5 more years, and then after the price drop, it'll sell well? I don't think that's going to happen without having any momentum or good reputation. What these analysts don't understand is that though PS3 is a long term console, it may not make it to the "long term". Sure, there's the movies, and it can be sold as blu ray, but then PS3 would be competing against other Blu ray players as well.

I usually don't state the word of analysts as fact or use their predictions, and I won't now.

Still PS3 is last atm but a lot can happen in 1 year let alone 2. 

He must think gimmicks crash and burn , systems without worldwide appeal falter , and the cream will rise to the top. He clearly is off his rocker.

Honestly, analysts don't know crap and are worthless when it comes to video games.Sooshy

the cell rules alldeadmeat59

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[QUOTE="Drizzt13"]Well most analysts are much smarter than the average guy on System Wars, so they are probably right. They understand more about the average consumer. I however disagree with analysts and think PS3 will finish 3rd. But my opinion is based on personal feelings and no fact.Dualshockin

Yeah, I agree. I too think that the PS3 is going to finish 3rd. But I can't believe that many analysts still think that PS3 will finish 1st when all things point out that it'll finish 2nd at best.

It'll finish 2nd at best because...

1) Xbox 360

2) No games, and very very expensive.

The end.

Yeah, I do think PS3 will win this gen, but I couldn't care less what analysts think.

I judge by the game lineup and how consumers will respond to it. For DS vs PSP analysts thought PSP would win and I was sure they were wrong, and I (unpaid) turned out right. I think PS3 has the best lineup and think consumers will respond well to the games which is why I expect the console to win.

Because someone thinks Sony will win, they're dumb and blind?

Yeah, I do think PS3 will win this gen, but I couldn't care less what analysts think.

I judge by the game lineup and how consumers will respond to it. For DS vs PSP analysts thought PSP would win and I was sure they were wrong, and I (unpaid) turned out right. I think PS3 has the best lineup and think consumers will respond well to the games which is why I expect the console to win.

the-very-best

In general, I don't care about no-name analysts' predictions, but Michael Pachter is a very smart industry veteran whose predictions I take seriously.

It was based on Pachter's comments on a gametrailers interview that I made my prediction for the console war. 

It'll finish 2nd at best because...

1) Xbox 360

2) No games, and very very expensive.

The end.

gamespot813

And this "sophisticated" reasoning is why Pachter works at Wedbush Morgan....and you don't. 

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Yeah, I do think PS3 will win this gen, but I couldn't care less what analysts think.

I judge by the game lineup and how consumers will respond to it. For DS vs PSP analysts thought PSP would win and I was sure they were wrong, and I (unpaid) turned out right. I think PS3 has the best lineup and think consumers will respond well to the games which is why I expect the console to win.

fuzzysquash

In general, I don't care about no-name analysts' predictions, but Michael Pachter is a very smart industry veteran whose predictions I take seriously.

It was based on Pachter's comments on a gametrailers interview that I made my prediction for the console war.

He's been wrong many times before, but I agree he's probably the best of the bunch. I really don't like how they get payed though, I'm jealous! 

Yeah, I do think PS3 will win this gen, but I couldn't care less what analysts think.

I judge by the game lineup and how consumers will respond to it. For DS vs PSP analysts thought PSP would win and I was sure they were wrong, and I (unpaid) turned out right. I think PS3 has the best lineup and think consumers will respond well to the games which is why I expect the console to win.

the-very-best

Congratulations on your predictions. Care to share how you came to your conclusions?

[QUOTE="the-very-best"]

Yeah, I do think PS3 will win this gen, but I couldn't care less what analysts think.

I judge by the game lineup and how consumers will respond to it. For DS vs PSP analysts thought PSP would win and I was sure they were wrong, and I (unpaid) turned out right. I think PS3 has the best lineup and think consumers will respond well to the games which is why I expect the console to win.

gamespot813

Congratulations on your predictions. Care to share how you came to your conclusions?

Here was my prediction posted Jan 28, 2007:

The prediction: Playstation 3 will win, followed by Xbox 360, followed by Nintendo Wii.

It may be surprising to some of you that I would make a prediction like
this, especially with the onslaught of bad news and negative media
toward the PS3. But bear with me and allow me to explain my reasoning.
The following post is a submission of my predictions and analyses, and
is by no means an assertion of infallibility.

(Please
note that some of the things I will say about certain consoles will be
straight-forward and seemingly harsh. I do not intend to "bash" any
console--just to present the situation as I see it.)

Of
the three consoles, the Playstation 3 will have the slowest starting
period, due to its high price and lack of compelling software. However,
it also has the greatest potential to win this generation.

The
first reason is that Blu-ray will win the format war. The Playstation
3's fate is in large part tied to Blu-ray. And Blu-ray is poised to
win. "At this time, only one studio--Universal--hasn't committed to the
Blu-ray format, while HD-DVD has yet to attract Fox, Disney, MGM, Sony,
and Lionsgate" (EGM, Feb. 2007). With such overwhelming support,
Michael Pachter of Wedbush Morgan Securities predicts a landslide
victory for the Sony-led format.

When Blu-ray wins by the end of
2007/ early 2008, sales of software will drive sales of the Playstation
3, which will in turn drive sales of the software (already evident by
the 700% increase in
Blu-ray software sales since the launch of the PS3). Blu-ray software
and Playstation 3 hardware exist in a symbiotic relationship that will
prove highly profitable for both.

Microsoft will be unable to
adopt the format, because development and ownership of the format is
spearheaded by Sony, who sits on the Blu-ray Association Board of
Directors. For future versions of the Xbox 360 to contain Blu-ray,
Microsoft would have to seek Sony's permission--and there is strong
economic disincentive for Sony to grant it.

The second reason
for Playstation 3's future success is that its portfolio will
eventually accumulate and diversify. It will take advantage of the
support of Japanese developers, and build up its first-party lineup.
Sony will continue to purchase studios and invest in exclusive games.
Microsoft will take the same strategy, and the end result will be that
both consoles will have highly compelling game lineups, with Microsoft
depending more on Western games and Sony depending on a mix of Western
and Japanese games.

Furthermore, Sony will eventually lower the
price of the console to a range suitable for mass market adoption,
though it will remain at least $100 more expensive than the 360 over
the course of its lifetime. The Blu-ray drive in the PS3 will more than
justify the price difference in the eyes of consumers as the format
becomes the de facto standard.

Initially, the Wii will surpass
both the 360 and the PS3 in sales, but the fast rate of adoption will
decrease significantly over the course of several years. The excitement
generated by the innovation of the Wii controller will wear off, and
the diminishing returns in graphical performance caused by its hardware
limitations will enhance its visual disparity vis-a-vis the Xbox 360
and Playstation 3 over time. Moreover, third-party support will not
surpass that of the Gamecube, due to the difficulty of porting games
from the higher-horsepower consoles and developing for the simplified
control mechanisms of the Wiimote. However, first-party support for the
console will remain strong, and serve as the primary buttress for the
Wii after its initial sales surge.

Microsoft will gain the most
of all three companies in relation to its last generation performance.
The Xbox 360 will prove a formidable opponent for the PS3 as Microsoft
continues to purchase studios, steal more exclusives from Sony, and
invest in strong new IP's as well as sequels to existing ones. However,
Microsoft will remain unable to capture market share in Japan, and as a
result, the full support of Japanese developers. It will, however, win
in North America, though it will lose to Sony by a marginal percentage
in Europe.

In the end, the victor of this console war will be
much less pronounced as that of the previous generation. Instead of
~60% Sony, 20% MS, and 20% Nintendo, the market distribution in the
final measurement will much more resemble an even distribution of
shares, though specific percentages at this stage would be shots in the
dark.

Thus, while Sony will win this generation by a marginal amount, it will have lost the most out of the three companies in relation to their performances last gen.

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Yeah, I do think PS3 will win this gen, but I couldn't care less what analysts think.

I judge by the game lineup and how consumers will respond to it. For DS vs PSP analysts thought PSP would win and I was sure they were wrong, and I (unpaid) turned out right. I think PS3 has the best lineup and think consumers will respond well to the games which is why I expect the console to win.

gamespot813

Congratulations on your predictions. Care to share how you came to your conclusions?

I do deserve a congratulations, I think my predictions are sublime.

PS2 won due to brand name, good variety of games with the biggest series in gaming (GTA, GT, MGS, FF, Madden, Dragon Quest) etc. PS3 will win (eventually) when the price has dropped due to PS2 owners transferring from PS2 to PS3 for the next entry in their favourite franchises (GTA, GT, MGS, FF, Madden etc). I think the loss of DQ will stop PS3 from getting 100 million sales, unless DQ comes back to Sony.

I also think people have been happy with both their PS1 and PS2 and expect the PS3 to be good, and it will be judging by the upcoming games.

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"]Lol,they're blind because they actually realize the console war is 5 years and not 6 months,and that by 2010 the Ps3 will retail for less than $400,have AAA games and dozens of AA games,PsHome,thousands of Blu-ray movies,etc.?gamespot813

I see... So you are saying that PS3 will sell like it is doing now for 5 more years, and then after the price drop, it'll sell well? I don't think that's going to happen without having any momentum or good reputation. What these analysts don't understand is that though PS3 is a long term console, it may not make it to the "long term". Sure, there's the movies, and it can be sold as blu ray, but then PS3 would be competing against other Blu ray players as well.

"'We think that Nintendo is likely to tinker with its hardware some time in the foreseeable future, perhaps offering high definition graphics and a Blu-ray drive in a future version of the console. Should it fail to do so, we think that the other two consoles will become far more competitive as prices come down.'"

Is it just me, or does that comment seem incredibly uninformed, considering it runs totally contrary to Nintendo's entire Wii business strategy?

I don't necessarily agree with the exact outcome, but I do agree that in the end, the final numbers for each competitor probably will be in the 50-70 million range. It's going to be pretty close, and no company is really going to come out a loser. After all, it took about 2.5 years after they launched before the Xbox and Gamecube started nearing 10 million. Clearly, things will be tighter this generation.

Most of the people agreeing with this analyst have Playstation franchises as avatars and sigs...

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[QUOTE="Drizzt13"]Well most analysts are much smarter than the average guy on System Wars, so they are probably right. They understand more about the average consumer. I however disagree with analysts and think PS3 will finish 3rd. But my opinion is based on personal feelings and no fact.gamespot813

Yeah, I agree. I too think that the PS3 is going to finish 3rd. But I can't believe that many analysts still think that PS3 will finish 1st when all things point out that it'll finish 2nd at best.

It'll finish 2nd at best because...

1) Xbox 360

2) No games, and very very expensive.

The end.

[QUOTE="gamespot813"][QUOTE="the-very-best"]

Yeah, I do think PS3 will win this gen, but I couldn't care less what analysts think.

I judge by the game lineup and how consumers will respond to it. For DS vs PSP analysts thought PSP would win and I was sure they were wrong, and I (unpaid) turned out right. I think PS3 has the best lineup and think consumers will respond well to the games which is why I expect the console to win.

the-very-best

Congratulations on your predictions. Care to share how you came to your conclusions?

I do deserve a congratulations, I think my predictions are sublime.

PS2 won due to brand name, good variety of games with the biggest series in gaming (GTA, GT, MGS, FF, Madden, Dragon Quest) etc. PS3 will win (eventually) when the price has dropped due to PS2 owners transferring from PS2 to PS3 for the next entry in their favourite franchises (GTA, GT, MGS, FF, Madden etc). I think the loss of DQ will stop PS3 from getting 100 million sales, unless DQ comes back to Sony.

I also think people have been happy with both their PS1 and PS2 and expect the PS3 to be good, and it will be judging by the upcoming games.

I kind of figured it was based on brand names, since you picked the DS as a handheld and PS3 as a console. My argument is that this generation will be different from the previous generation, since the Wii is in it. Though the Wii's lineup isn't very good for the hardcore right now, if you've been paying attention to Iwata's interview last couple days ago, he said that they are aiming for the non gamers and the casuals first during the early stage. I think they've got a brilliant plan, and they are soon going to aim for the hardcore. We'll see during E3 what kind of games they've got for the hardcore. Maybe then, you may change your mind.

here ur general sales numbers for whats happend so far

wii- million a month          6mil units/6months       total  revenue   1.5 billion

ps3- 333,333 a month       3mil units/6months       total revenue    1.8 billion      (looses money with each system)

 360- 555,555 a month     10mil units/18months     total revenue   4 billion         

just pretend all 360s are premium ($400) and ps3's r 60 gig ($600) 

and thats not good for ps3 because 360s older than ps3 and is in higher demand and the longer a system is out the less and less demand there s for it. so the monthly sales average shoukld continue to go down for each system will little bumps in the road when games like mario, halo, and final fantasy come out

 ps3 is stuck in a loop too, sales seem to be very slow for them while the wii is just begginig to meet its demand (think it is) and developers are leaving ps3/are afraid to make a game for it because of such slow sales while more want to go to nintendo because of great sales (not all just some). and this gets the ps3 stuck in a ruck. most people want a ps3 for a bunch of good games and people arnt getting a bunch of good game because no1s buying the ps3. most people wont buy a ps3 because its about $710 with an extra controller and a game, they wont want to spend 710 to get one good game. so theyre sort of stuck in a loop hole, and i know ps2 was slow at luanch but they had a year or two to bring down the price and develop games. now they dont have that year lead for developers to get to just them.

and my thought on the analast are theyre almost always wrong so to me theyre just an opinion

I kind of figured it was based on brand names, since you picked the DS as a handheld and PS3 as a console. My argument is that this generation will be different from the previous generation, since the Wii is in it. Though the Wii's lineup isn't very good for the hardcore right now, if you've been paying attention to Iwata's interview last couple days ago, he said that they are aiming for the non gamers and the casuals first during the early stage. I think they've got a brilliant plan, and they are soon going to aim for the hardcore. We'll see during E3 what kind of games they've got for the hardcore. Maybe then, you may change your mind.

gamespot813

Nintendo is aiming mainly at non gamers and you know what...I think that's an excellent move. I'm loving my DS atm and there are many games I enjoy on it that are just quick fun. However there are plenty of hardcore titles too.

Not the same story with the Wii and that's OK. I think Nintendo will dominate the non gamer market this gen so the Wii is definitely a great move by them. Having said that, judging by the lineups, I see hardcore gamers and casuals going to the PS3 in a year or so, just like they went to both the PS1 and PS2.

I think PS3 and Wii will really expand the market, both Sony and Nintendo are great companies.

[QUOTE="gamespot813"][QUOTE="the-very-best"]

Yeah, I do think PS3 will win this gen, but I couldn't care less what analysts think.

I judge by the game lineup and how consumers will respond to it. For DS vs PSP analysts thought PSP would win and I was sure they were wrong, and I (unpaid) turned out right. I think PS3 has the best lineup and think consumers will respond well to the games which is why I expect the console to win.

fuzzysquash

Congratulations on your predictions. Care to share how you came to your conclusions?

Here was my prediction posted Jan 28, 2007:

The prediction: Playstation 3 will win, followed by Xbox 360, followed by Nintendo Wii.

It may be surprising to some of you that I would make a prediction like
this, especially with the onslaught of bad news and negative media
toward the PS3. But bear with me and allow me to explain my reasoning.
The following post is a submission of my predictions and analyses, and
is by no means an assertion of infallibility.

(Please
note that some of the things I will say about certain consoles will be
straight-forward and seemingly harsh. I do not intend to "bash" any
console--just to present the situation as I see it.)

Of
the three consoles, the Playstation 3 will have the slowest starting
period, due to its high price and lack of compelling software. However,
it also has the greatest potential to win this generation.

The
first reason is that Blu-ray will win the format war. The Playstation
3's fate is in large part tied to Blu-ray. And Blu-ray is poised to
win. "At this time, only one studio--Universal--hasn't committed to the
Blu-ray format, while HD-DVD has yet to attract Fox, Disney, MGM, Sony,
and Lionsgate" (EGM, Feb. 2007). With such overwhelming support,
Michael Pachter of Wedbush Morgan Securities predicts a landslide
victory for the Sony-led format.

When Blu-ray wins by the end of
2007/ early 2008, sales of software will drive sales of the Playstation
3, which will in turn drive sales of the software (already evident by
the 700% increase in
Blu-ray software sales since the launch of the PS3). Blu-ray software
and Playstation 3 hardware exist in a symbiotic relationship that will
prove highly profitable for both.

Microsoft will be unable to
adopt the format, because development and ownership of the format is
spearheaded by Sony, who sits on the Blu-ray Association Board of
Directors. For future versions of the Xbox 360 to contain Blu-ray,
Microsoft would have to seek Sony's permission--and there is strong
economic disincentive for Sony to grant it.

The second reason
for Playstation 3's future success is that its portfolio will
eventually accumulate and diversify. It will take advantage of the
support of Japanese developers, and build up its first-party lineup.
Sony will continue to purchase studios and invest in exclusive games.
Microsoft will take the same strategy, and the end result will be that
both consoles will have highly compelling game lineups, with Microsoft
depending more on Western games and Sony depending on a mix of Western
and Japanese games.

Furthermore, Sony will eventually lower the
price of the console to a range suitable for mass market adoption,
though it will remain at least $100 more expensive than the 360 over
the course of its lifetime. The Blu-ray drive in the PS3 will more than
justify the price difference in the eyes of consumers as the format
becomes the de facto standard.

Initially, the Wii will surpass
both the 360 and the PS3 in sales, but the fast rate of adoption will
decrease significantly over the course of several years. The excitement
generated by the innovation of the Wii controller will wear off, and
the diminishing returns in graphical performance caused by its hardware
limitations will enhance its visual disparity vis-a-vis the Xbox 360
and Playstation 3 over time. Moreover, third-party support will not
surpass that of the Gamecube, due to the difficulty of porting games
from the higher-horsepower consoles and developing for the simplified
control mechanisms of the Wiimote. However, first-party support for the
console will remain strong, and serve as the primary buttress for the
Wii after its initial sales surge.

Microsoft will gain the most
of all three companies in relation to its last generation performance.
The Xbox 360 will prove a formidable opponent for the PS3 as Microsoft
continues to purchase studios, steal more exclusives from Sony, and
invest in strong new IP's as well as sequels to existing ones. However,
Microsoft will remain unable to capture market share in Japan, and as a
result, the full support of Japanese developers. It will, however, win
in North America, though it will lose to Sony by a marginal percentage
in Europe.

In the end, the victor of this console war will be
much less pronounced as that of the previous generation. Instead of
~60% Sony, 20% MS, and 20% Nintendo, the market distribution in the
final measurement will much more resemble an even distribution of
shares, though specific percentages at this stage would be shots in the
dark.

Thus, while Sony will win this generation by a marginal amount, it will have lost the most out of the three companies in relation to their performances last gen.

Good read. You should be paid, lol. Though this is your perspective, I think from hanging out in SW, I've heard of many perspectives coming from different fans. It's hard to believe that PS3 will win this gen even with your statements. Blu Ray may win, but that's the only thing that I see that gives the PS3 an advantage over the 360. And just because the PS3 helped propel Blu Rays, how is the PS3 itself doing? Not so well. Another thing that I am not so sure of is the when factor. When is the Blu Ray dominance going to suddenly start selling PS3s like crazy? It's already outselling the HD DVD, and is set to win the format war, but it's not improving the PS3 sales.

I'm sorry lemmings and sheeps. I think I would trust some1 whos job is to predict things than trust regular gamers.ff7isnumbaone

Mind you guys that Meryl Lynch predicted the PS3 to not finish first this gen.

I think it will but barely but Meryl Lynch isn't a small time company btw... 

I kind of figured it was based on brand names, since you picked the DS as a handheld and PS3 as a console. My argument is that this generation will be different from the previous generation, since the Wii is in it. Though the Wii's lineup isn't very good for the hardcore right now, if you've been paying attention to Iwata's interview last couple days ago, he said that they are aiming for the non gamers and the casuals first during the early stage. I think they've got a brilliant plan, and they are soon going to aim for the hardcore. We'll see during E3 what kind of games they've got for the hardcore. Maybe then, you may change your mind.gamespot813

I actually agree with that guy. As much as I dont like the PS3 it may very well end up coming in 1st place again. It really doesnt matter who comes in first,second or third it only matters to the people who want to use it as bragging rights. If everyone can come out as winners and better than last gen then that is def a big plus for all three companies and the industry. MS and Nintendo I think are doing great; way better than last gen I think.

Both companies are getting more dev support, getting new and interesting games/IPs that can go head to head with even Sony blockbuster titles. Both companies are really making this gen alot harder for Sony then the last gen and I think thats good. You dont have one console getting the majority of support et cetera 

Sony I think have dropped the ball; focusing too much on bluray and these lil perk features instead of more on  games. Focusing more on audio/videophiles rather than gamers. And going crazy with the hype. Despite messing up Sony will still manage I think to come out in a somewhat good standing it wont be a PS1 or PS2 type dominance though.

According to the analysts the Gamecube was going to be Nintendo last system and they would become a 3rd party developer.....they sure got that prediction right 8)

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[QUOTE="Dualshockin"]Lol,they're blind because they actually realize the console war is 5 years and not 6 months,and that by 2010 the Ps3 will retail for less than $400,have AAA games and dozens of AA games,PsHome,thousands of Blu-ray movies,etc.?Dualshockin

I see... So you are saying that PS3 will sell like it is doing now for 5 more years, and then after the price drop, it'll sell well? I don't think that's going to happen without having any momentum or good reputation. What these analysts don't understand is that though PS3 is a long term console, it may not make it to the "long term". Sure, there's the movies, and it can be sold as blu ray, but then PS3 would be competing against other Blu ray players as well.

Yes, casuals and non gamers absolutely would care about reputation. In fact, I would go as far as to say that many products that sold very well through out history have been because people spread the word. Reputations can come from famous magazines (Time), your neighbors ("aw the PS3 suxxorz"), and or, simply being new and unique, which makes people turn heads and talk about them. The analysts perspectives are simple: PS3 will sell well because of long term equipments. I agree to some extent, but they forget how powerful social influences can make a product good or bad.

According to the analysts the Gamecube was going to be Nintendo last system and they would become a 3rd party developer.....they sure got that prediction right 8)

Ryuhayabuza

Lol! That was what I was looking for! They were sure wrong.

By the way,don't forget the 360 will adopt Blu-ray before December of this year,thus giving Sony more money meaning they can then cut the Ps3 price by a larger margin. Isn't it ironic though?Sony in a 360 lolDualshockin

Are you on something?

The 360 won't use these formats for gaming so why would Blu Ray be "in" the 360? And if they do get a Blu Ray add on why would they get it before December? The format war isn't even over yet, Sony knows this too cause their Beta was beating VHS in the first year but ended up losing. 

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="gamespot813"]

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"]Lol,they're blind because they actually realize the console war is 5 years and not 6 months,and that by 2010 the Ps3 will retail for less than $400,have AAA games and dozens of AA games,PsHome,thousands of Blu-ray movies,etc.?gamespot813

I see... So you are saying that PS3 will sell like it is doing now for 5 more years, and then after the price drop, it'll sell well? I don't think that's going to happen without having any momentum or good reputation. What these analysts don't understand is that though PS3 is a long term console, it may not make it to the "long term". Sure, there's the movies, and it can be sold as blu ray, but then PS3 would be competing against other Blu ray players as well.

Yes, casuals and non gamers absolutely would care about reputation. In fact, I would go as far as to say that many products that sold very well through out history have been because people spread the word. Reputations can come from famous magazines (Time), your neighbors ("aw the PS3 suxxorz"), and or, simply being new and unique, which makes people turn heads and talk about them. The analysts perspectives are simple: PS3 will sell well because of long term equipments. I agree to some extent, but they forget how powerful social influences can make a product good or bad.

" I would go as far as to say that many products that sold very well through out history have been because people spread the word".Yes,but what you fail to differentiate is what people are saying about a product Online,and what people are saying about the product in real life. The only complaint I have heard about the Ps3 in real life is "It costs $600".That's it.I have yet to hear anyone complain about the lack of rumble,the discontinuing of the 20GB,or the score of Resistance.These are Online issues that won't make it past your computer screen to the retailer shops. Look at the iPod.They are dogged every single day for lacking a bigger screen,longer battery life,etc.Yet,they dominate the market.Dualshockin

Well in "real life" people complained about the PS3 price and praise the Wii's cheap price and fun factor. They also praise the 360's great titles and hate it's failure rate. They also do notice the rumble when told about it and realize it cause many people are use to rumble and liked it a lot despite it "not being needed" even though Sony is getting back for some reason lol

But as far as "real life what people see is an expensive console that's pushing Blu-Ray more then gaming and something they were told would be a supermachine but yet isn't destroying the 360 in graphics like we were all sold that it would 

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"]By the way,don't forget the 360 will adopt Blu-ray before December of this year,thus giving Sony more money meaning they can then cut the Ps3 price by a larger margin. Isn't it ironic though?Sony in a 360 lolkcpp2b

Are you on something?

The 360 won't use these formats for gaming so why would Blu Ray be "in" the 360? And if they do get a Blu Ray add on why would they get it before December? The format war isn't even over yet, Sony knows this too cause their Beta was beating VHS in the first year but ended up losing.