Analysts are blind

[QUOTE="gamespot813"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="gamespot813"]

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"]Lol,they're blind because they actually realize the console war is 5 years and not 6 months,and that by 2010 the Ps3 will retail for less than $400,have AAA games and dozens of AA games,PsHome,thousands of Blu-ray movies,etc.?Dualshockin

I see... So you are saying that PS3 will sell like it is doing now for 5 more years, and then after the price drop, it'll sell well? I don't think that's going to happen without having any momentum or good reputation. What these analysts don't understand is that though PS3 is a long term console, it may not make it to the "long term". Sure, there's the movies, and it can be sold as blu ray, but then PS3 would be competing against other Blu ray players as well.

Yes, casuals and non gamers absolutely would care about reputation. In fact, I would go as far as to say that many products that sold very well through out history have been because people spread the word. Reputations can come from famous magazines (Time), your neighbors ("aw the PS3 suxxorz"), and or, simply being new and unique, which makes people turn heads and talk about them. The analysts perspectives are simple: PS3 will sell well because of long term equipments. I agree to some extent, but they forget how powerful social influences can make a product good or bad.

Ah, yes. But there's a difference between actions and words. People can complain about things, sure. I've heard people say, the wii is for kids. Or that the PS3 is great because it's graphics are better than 360. I've heard good and bad about each system. But it's the end result that counts... When people are playing the Wii, they look "fancier" than PS3. If this is marketed well (which I think they have), it could be a... ehem... a fad, like the iPod. Another factor that is helping the wii is TV shows and the media people watch. Because of the nature of the Wii, it is able to be marketed this way. Call it a fad, or whatever you want, but it's going to dominate.

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[QUOTE="Dualshockin"]By the way,don't forget the 360 will adopt Blu-ray before December of this year,thus giving Sony more money meaning they can then cut the Ps3 price by a larger margin. Isn't it ironic though?Sony in a 360 lolDualshockin

Are you on something?

The 360 won't use these formats for gaming so why would Blu Ray be "in" the 360? And if they do get a Blu Ray add on why would they get it before December? The format war isn't even over yet, Sony knows this too cause their Beta was beating VHS in the first year but ended up losing.

I'm tired sorry, where does it say a new BR drive for the 360 before December and that if they get it, it will be "in" the 360?

Also MS has said they will see who wins the war and go with that format etc... a long time ago this isn't new news to anyone. And still the format war isn't over yet.

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"] " I would go as far as to say that many products that sold very well through out history have been because people spread the word".Yes,but what you fail to differentiate is what people are saying about a product Online,and what people are saying about the product in real life. The only complaint I have heard about the Ps3 in real life is "It costs $600".That's it.I have yet to hear anyone complain about the lack of rumble,the discontinuing of the 20GB,or the score of Resistance.These are Online issues that won't make it past your computer screen to the retailer shops. Look at the iPod.They are dogged every single day for lacking a bigger screen,longer battery life,etc.Yet,they dominate the market.kcpp2b

Well in "real life" people complained about the PS3 price and praise the Wii's cheap price and fun factor. They also praise the 360's great titles and hate it's failure rate. They also do notice the rumble when told about it and realize it cause many people are use to rumble and liked it a lot despite it "not being needed" even though Sony is getting back for some reason lol

But as far as "real life what people see is an expensive console that's pushing Blu-Ray more then gaming and something they were told would be a supermachine but yet isn't destroying the 360 in graphics like we were all sold that it would

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[QUOTE="Dualshockin"] " I would go as far as to say that many products that sold very well through out history have been because people spread the word".Yes,but what you fail to differentiate is what people are saying about a product Online,and what people are saying about the product in real life. The only complaint I have heard about the Ps3 in real life is "It costs $600".That's it.I have yet to hear anyone complain about the lack of rumble,the discontinuing of the 20GB,or the score of Resistance.These are Online issues that won't make it past your computer screen to the retailer shops. Look at the iPod.They are dogged every single day for lacking a bigger screen,longer battery life,etc.Yet,they dominate the market.Dualshockin

Well in "real life" people complained about the PS3 price and praise the Wii's cheap price and fun factor. They also praise the 360's great titles and hate it's failure rate. They also do notice the rumble when told about it and realize it cause many people are use to rumble and liked it a lot despite it "not being needed" even though Sony is getting back for some reason lol

But as far as "real life what people see is an expensive console that's pushing Blu-Ray more then gaming and something they were told would be a supermachine but yet isn't destroying the 360 in graphics like we were all sold that it would

Please, people talk about 360 and their games and the multiplats it now gets which means something like GTAIV for example and now DMC4 etc...

They talk about Gears of War, Halo, and the many games it had that the PS3 did not have at launch like Rainbow Six, Fear, SP:DA etc... Or how GRAW2 was delayed as is Rainbow Six...how europe was delayed on everything with games on top of that.

And honestly that "price" thing is a HUGE issue that gamers and non gamers worldwide speculate on no matter how much you wanna play it off as not a big deal and when the PS3 drops it's price as will the 360 and Wii who can afford price drops even now. 

I'm tired sorry, where does it say a new BR drive for the 360 before December and that if they get it, it will be "in" the 360?Also MS has said they will see who wins the war and go with that format etc... a long time ago this isn't new news to anyone. And still the format war isn't over yet.kcpp2b

analyst are highly educated, they have the ablitie to look at the big pictureZam_basic

There's a difference between education and intelligence, buddy. Though the link that I gave was a pretty good analyst, there's far worse... Do you agree?

[QUOTE="kcpp2b"]I'm tired sorry, where does it say a new BR drive for the 360 before December and that if they get it, it will be "in" the 360?Also MS has said they will see who wins the war and go with that format etc... a long time ago this isn't new news to anyone. And still the format war isn't over yet.Dualshockin

Oh so MS gave a release date on it.... guess I missed that 

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="kcpp2b"]

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"] " I would go as far as to say that many products that sold very well through out history have been because people spread the word".Yes,but what you fail to differentiate is what people are saying about a product Online,and what people are saying about the product in real life. The only complaint I have heard about the Ps3 in real life is "It costs $600".That's it.I have yet to hear anyone complain about the lack of rumble,the discontinuing of the 20GB,or the score of Resistance.These are Online issues that won't make it past your computer screen to the retailer shops. Look at the iPod.They are dogged every single day for lacking a bigger screen,longer battery life,etc.Yet,they dominate the market.kcpp2b

Well in "real life" people complained about the PS3 price and praise the Wii's cheap price and fun factor. They also praise the 360's great titles and hate it's failure rate. They also do notice the rumble when told about it and realize it cause many people are use to rumble and liked it a lot despite it "not being needed" even though Sony is getting back for some reason lol

But as far as "real life what people see is an expensive console that's pushing Blu-Ray more then gaming and something they were told would be a supermachine but yet isn't destroying the 360 in graphics like we were all sold that it would

Please, people talk about 360 and their games and the multiplats it now gets which means something like GTAIV for example and now DMC4 etc...

They talk about Gears of War, Halo, and the many games it had that the PS3 did not have at launch like Rainbow Six, Fear, SP:DA etc... Or how GRAW2 was delayed as is Rainbow Six...how europe was delayed on everything with games on top of that.

And honestly that "price" thing is a HUGE issue that gamers and non gamers worldwide speculate on no matter how much you wanna play it off as not a big deal and when the PS3 drops it's price as will the 360 and Wii who can afford price drops even now.

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="kcpp2b"]I'm tired sorry, where does it say a new BR drive for the 360 before December and that if they get it, it will be "in" the 360?Also MS has said they will see who wins the war and go with that format etc... a long time ago this isn't new news to anyone. And still the format war isn't over yet.kcpp2b

Oh so MS gave a release date on it.... guess I missed that

[QUOTE="Zam_basic"]analyst are highly educated, they have the ablitie to look at the big picturegamespot813

There's a difference between education and intelligence, buddy. Though the link that I gave was a pretty good analyst, there's far worse... Do you agree?

i agree that there are far worst people out there who claim to be good analyst

[QUOTE="kcpp2b"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="kcpp2b"]

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"] " I would go as far as to say that many products that sold very well through out history have been because people spread the word".Yes,but what you fail to differentiate is what people are saying about a product Online,and what people are saying about the product in real life. The only complaint I have heard about the Ps3 in real life is "It costs $600".That's it.I have yet to hear anyone complain about the lack of rumble,the discontinuing of the 20GB,or the score of Resistance.These are Online issues that won't make it past your computer screen to the retailer shops. Look at the iPod.They are dogged every single day for lacking a bigger screen,longer battery life,etc.Yet,they dominate the market.Dualshockin

Well in "real life" people complained about the PS3 price and praise the Wii's cheap price and fun factor. They also praise the 360's great titles and hate it's failure rate. They also do notice the rumble when told about it and realize it cause many people are use to rumble and liked it a lot despite it "not being needed" even though Sony is getting back for some reason lol

But as far as "real life what people see is an expensive console that's pushing Blu-Ray more then gaming and something they were told would be a supermachine but yet isn't destroying the 360 in graphics like we were all sold that it would

Please, people talk about 360 and their games and the multiplats it now gets which means something like GTAIV for example and now DMC4 etc...

They talk about Gears of War, Halo, and the many games it had that the PS3 did not have at launch like Rainbow Six, Fear, SP:DA etc... Or how GRAW2 was delayed as is Rainbow Six...how europe was delayed on everything with games on top of that.

And honestly that "price" thing is a HUGE issue that gamers and non gamers worldwide speculate on no matter how much you wanna play it off as not a big deal and when the PS3 drops it's price as will the 360 and Wii who can afford price drops even now.

I'm starting to think you are a fanboy... "I would take a bullet for Ken..." hope that's a joke. I do realise the difference between online and reallife. And right now in this forum, you are suggesting that the PS3 will win when in reality, the Wii is selling better. The 360 has more games right now, and better games coming out. Just because PS3 has Blu Ray, do you think their games will improve if they aren't supported as well as the 360 is right now? PS3 will finish 2nd at best.

I'm starting to think you are a fanboy... "I would take a bullet for Ken..." hope that's a joke. I do realise the difference between online and reallife. And right now in this forum, you are suggesting that the PS3 will win when in reality, the Wii is selling better. The 360 has more games right now, and better games coming out. Just because PS3 has Blu Ray, do you think their games will improve if they aren't supported as well as the 360 is right now? PS3 will finish 2nd at best.gamespot813

[QUOTE="gamespot813"]I'm starting to think you are a fanboy... "I would take a bullet for Ken..." hope that's a joke. I do realise the difference between online and reallife. And right now in this forum, you are suggesting that the PS3 will win when in reality, the Wii is selling better. The 360 has more games right now, and better games coming out. Just because PS3 has Blu Ray, do you think their games will improve if they aren't supported as well as the 360 is right now? PS3 will finish 2nd at best.Dualshockin

Your logic is flawed because the 360 is getting pretty much all of the same games that PS3 is getting. And if brand was so important, N64 would have beaten PS1. If brand was so important, every Zelda game would sell as much as OOT. If Blu Ray determined the success of PS3, and games don't, then they are in trouble. Wii can win because it's aimed both at hardcore and non gamers. The games listed for PS3 is same old stuff, and their sales have been known to have been in decline. That's why I think it's either 360 or the Wii.

The PS3 is not selling because of the price.  That is the ONLY REASON.  People need to realize this.  PS2 sold well at launch despite crappy software during the launch period.  It was affordable to the average Joe.  PS3 is not affordable to the average person, and is not selling as a result.  If PS3 were the same price as the premium 360, you could bet that it would have taken a huge lead over Wii and 360. 

PS3 is considered a flop, and people seem to think PS3 is just not wanted.  This is far from the truth. 

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/videogames/ref=pd_ts_c_th_head/102-4408850-7674546?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=right-7&pf_rd_r=1NARJGG1ZE6YS2B60BB4&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=233076301&pf_rd_i=496994

PS3 and PS2 are selling better on Amazon than 360 right now...

TLHBO!

[QUOTE="gamespot813"][QUOTE="the-very-best"]

Yeah, I do think PS3 will win this gen, but I couldn't care less what analysts think.

I judge by the game lineup and how consumers will respond to it. For DS vs PSP analysts thought PSP would win and I was sure they were wrong, and I (unpaid) turned out right. I think PS3 has the best lineup and think consumers will respond well to the games which is why I expect the console to win.

fuzzysquash

Congratulations on your predictions. Care to share how you came to your conclusions?

Here was my prediction posted Jan 28, 2007:

The prediction: Playstation 3 will win, followed by Xbox 360, followed by Nintendo Wii.

It may be surprising to some of you that I would make a prediction like
this, especially with the onslaught of bad news and negative media
toward the PS3. But bear with me and allow me to explain my reasoning.
The following post is a submission of my predictions and analyses, and
is by no means an assertion of infallibility.

(Please
note that some of the things I will say about certain consoles will be
straight-forward and seemingly harsh. I do not intend to "bash" any
console--just to present the situation as I see it.)

Of
the three consoles, the Playstation 3 will have the slowest starting
period, due to its high price and lack of compelling software. However,
it also has the greatest potential to win this generation.

The
first reason is that Blu-ray will win the format war. The Playstation
3's fate is in large part tied to Blu-ray. And Blu-ray is poised to
win. "At this time, only one studio--Universal--hasn't committed to the
Blu-ray format, while HD-DVD has yet to attract Fox, Disney, MGM, Sony,
and Lionsgate" (EGM, Feb. 2007). With such overwhelming support,
Michael Pachter of Wedbush Morgan Securities predicts a landslide
victory for the Sony-led format.

When Blu-ray wins by the end of
2007/ early 2008, sales of software will drive sales of the Playstation
3, which will in turn drive sales of the software (already evident by
the 700% increase in
Blu-ray software sales since the launch of the PS3). Blu-ray software
and Playstation 3 hardware exist in a symbiotic relationship that will
prove highly profitable for both.

Microsoft will be unable to
adopt the format, because development and ownership of the format is
spearheaded by Sony, who sits on the Blu-ray Association Board of
Directors. For future versions of the Xbox 360 to contain Blu-ray,
Microsoft would have to seek Sony's permission--and there is strong
economic disincentive for Sony to grant it.

The second reason
for Playstation 3's future success is that its portfolio will
eventually accumulate and diversify. It will take advantage of the
support of Japanese developers, and build up its first-party lineup.
Sony will continue to purchase studios and invest in exclusive games.
Microsoft will take the same strategy, and the end result will be that
both consoles will have highly compelling game lineups, with Microsoft
depending more on Western games and Sony depending on a mix of Western
and Japanese games.

Furthermore, Sony will eventually lower the
price of the console to a range suitable for mass market adoption,
though it will remain at least $100 more expensive than the 360 over
the course of its lifetime. The Blu-ray drive in the PS3 will more than
justify the price difference in the eyes of consumers as the format
becomes the de facto standard.

Initially, the Wii will surpass
both the 360 and the PS3 in sales, but the fast rate of adoption will
decrease significantly over the course of several years. The excitement
generated by the innovation of the Wii controller will wear off, and
the diminishing returns in graphical performance caused by its hardware
limitations will enhance its visual disparity vis-a-vis the Xbox 360
and Playstation 3 over time. Moreover, third-party support will not
surpass that of the Gamecube, due to the difficulty of porting games
from the higher-horsepower consoles and developing for the simplified
control mechanisms of the Wiimote. However, first-party support for the
console will remain strong, and serve as the primary buttress for the
Wii after its initial sales surge.

Microsoft will gain the most
of all three companies in relation to its last generation performance.
The Xbox 360 will prove a formidable opponent for the PS3 as Microsoft
continues to purchase studios, steal more exclusives from Sony, and
invest in strong new IP's as well as sequels to existing ones. However,
Microsoft will remain unable to capture market share in Japan, and as a
result, the full support of Japanese developers. It will, however, win
in North America, though it will lose to Sony by a marginal percentage
in Europe.

In the end, the victor of this console war will be
much less pronounced as that of the previous generation. Instead of
~60% Sony, 20% MS, and 20% Nintendo, the market distribution in the
final measurement will much more resemble an even distribution of
shares, though specific percentages at this stage would be shots in the
dark.

Thus, while Sony will win this generation by a marginal amount, it will have lost the most out of the three companies in relation to their performances last gen.

I think you couldn't be more wrong, see you fail to realize most people want to play somthing different. Plus the market is proving everyone wrong. HD-DVD will win becuse it will have wally world, and porn, WII will win the war becuse of it's MASS APPEAL, yeah the controller is campy, but it's simple & effective, remeber the first analog controller everyone said it would suck, but it cought on. The motion sensitive controller is here to stay. The only thing I can agree with you is the 360 will play second fiddle to the WII.

Wakeup look at the sales, yeah they can change, but from all my experience is the one that comes out of the gate that has most momentum winns.