Andrew House on PS4 Pro - Xbox is not the competition, but rather PC.

Regarding the PlayStation 4 Pro, he suggested the Xbox wasn’t even being considered its main competition. Rather, it was the PC. “I saw some data that really influenced me,” he said. “It suggested that there’s a dip mid-console lifecycle where the players who want the very best graphical experience will start to migrate to PC, because that’s obviously where it’s to be had. We wanted to keep those people within our eco-system by giving them the very best and very highest [performance quality]. So the net result of those thoughts was PlayStation 4 Pro – and, by and large, a graphical approach to game improvement.”

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No shit the xboned Scorpio is the biggest joke of a console, it's not even gonna release till another year. By then a high end pc will absolutely destroy the shit box of a scam Microsoft is pulling...

Scorpio will ultimately be too expensive and niche for the general population to take the wind out of Playstation's sails

Lmao... you fanboys are hilarious. And delusional.

Good luck with that.

Good luck with that.

I knew it the xbox one is doing so bad that sony doesn't even see them as competition anymore. The PC is the thing really being competitive right now with the ps4 although still losing in overall sales to the ps4 its still its closest competition.

How could microsoft fall this far from tree where there losing to PC an ancient platform rather than the newest xbox one console designed to compete.

Someone new has to enter the console ring this is just a massacre sony's crawling out of the console space an attacking pc now thats how powerful sony is right now in gaming.

As i said , the moment Scorpio gets a release , Pro will be already established because it price is a sweet spot for the masses , it has plenty exclusive games around the corner , benefits both the 4K And 1080p user and the system will have the ability for a price cut the moment scorpio gets a release further if needed so will be better deal value wise for again what matters most ... the MASSES.

Scorpio needs to find a sweet spot if they want to compete and not make yet ANOTHER mistake , that of PS3s price/value ratio last generation that masses couldnt afford or found too expensive to invest , waiting for price cuts.

Also Scorpio needs to find a strong reason , games wise , to be appealing to the power user because all of their exclusives finding PC latetly ... and we all know PCs are the definite systems for power users.

All in all , SCORPIO will compete with itself more than PRO , mark my words like PS3 did last generation. If Scorpio is overpriced and its a system for the few , if lacks massive exclusives and offers nothing different than a PC since PCs could be as powerful as SCORPIO AND play all its games at any given time ...

Well then , things will be nasty for MS and Xbox once again.

Exactly the scorpio will be the new XBOX ONE / PS3 big bulky overcosted hunk of junk with no exclusive games and arrogant attitude.

PS4 Pro is like the 360 tons of killer games came out quick with beefy specs and a low price.

why can't microsoft be like that anymore is my own wonder.

I think MS following trends more than doing their own , original thing.

For example , X1 felt to gimmick controls because of Wii. They followed that formula just because Wii success. X1 "failed" because of its price AND that they focused on gimmick aspect of the console than its raw specs like SONY did with PS4.

Now they following PS4s trend since it worked , that of the "most powerful" console , because SONY is using that the last few years against X1 for marketing reasons.

Theyll end up with a system that wont be appealing to either masses nor power users in the end. Why they keep following others or trying to compete in the wrong way i dont get it. They falling to other companies "marketing" that easy ? They need to change their analysts asap.

But if the 6TF Scorpio is a shitbox of a scam, what does that make the PS4 Pro with it's 4.2TF?

So their plan to compete with the pc is to constantly build weaker pcs? Ok...

Well you failed then

Andrew pls.

So the 2k machine with sub 30fps is wil be competing with the PC. To be honest the Pro seems like it's going to be on its very own space and not really competing. The best scenario for Sony is the Pro making the regular PS4 irrelevant. Anyway I'll probably buy one if the advantages for 1080p are significant. It will help too if VR performs well.

That actually was a good read. House sounded like a calm informed executive, with the use of statistics and trends. And not a PR spokesmen just mouthing off to defend his product.

He even went into the reasoning why the UHD blu ray player wasn't added. Saying the sales just aren't there. Like sure it won't make tech enthusiasts thrilled. But that's a tiny fraction of the market. And never a good sole reference for a trend. Just like with 3D. Which is now overshadowed big time by VR as far as gaming is concerned.

@AzatiS: In terms of Xbox yes, they are a follower, I mean there isn't much innovation in the console space at all. But I think overall, hardware, they are definitely a leader and a trend setter.

Xbox needs Surface injection into it.

Wait, why would they be "trying" to compete with the PC?

Especially since most games are multiplat with the PC.

So buddy I have to ask you. When you saw the PS4 Pro was #1 on amazon above both the ps4/xb1/xb1s/wiiU/ps4 slim what does that tell you? It really is in calibre all its own its gonna fly off the shelf faster than any prebuilt PC what does that tell you phbz can you tell me?

It tells me that sony what they're doing and you don't have a clue.

LOL! I just read the article. Andrew House never said a thing about Xbox, ROFL! I can't blame Andrew for that. I mean, they don't stand a fucking chance against Xbox. It's sad to see Sony fall so fast in such a short amount of time. If you can't beat them, join them. PC and Xbox is the place to be, and that is where they migrate.

How the mighty have fallen...

They need to think beyond what other console do like they did with Xbox and X360.

Wii was successful because of gimmick controls ... lets try that ! Fail

PS4 was successful because was more powerful ... lets try that ! Will fail.

And will fail because as an analyst you need to analyze various other things that marketing BS your competitors marketing their products for or what the trends are right now because that might change in a year or two.

Yes , SONY marketed PS4 as the most powerful machine and there was a fuss about graphics and this and that BUT , whos fault was that in the first place ? Did really SONY made the most powerful console or that ended being like that just because MS with X1 failed to deliver as powerful system as SONYs because they had gimmick controls in mind because of Wii success ?

Now is the same thing but with PS4 in mind .... And im asking , how the hell Scorpio will compete vs PRO when PRO will be already an established machine with far better exclusives and far better price for masses ? They want core gamers ? Why the hell a core gamer that can find their otherwise console exclusives on PC already buy Scorpio and not buy a freaking 1080 ( or even a a better card than 1080 in 2017 ) and play all those games as good , or better , than scorpio will ?

I dont get what the hell they are thinking. Seriously , whoever is in management/marketing etc , needs to go ASAP ..

The only thing i can really see them promote Scoprio as is when they start comparing SCORPIO with PRO on 3rd parties ... like X titles on our platform plays better , is true 4K unlike PRO or FPS are stable etc etc .... But all this will come with higher price and no exclusives ... What are they thinking ?!!!!

@ProtossRushX: It tells me that the regular ps4 was already flying of the shelves without being with competition with the PC. Lol

I wonder if anyone has given any thought to the notion that the Scorpio could be launching right in the face of a peice cut on the Pro as well as a potentially cataclysmic holiday lineup for the PS4?

There are a lot of announced games that have tba 2017 release dates. There is a potential there for Sony to fight hardware with software.

I think you guys are taking what he said out of context.

Read what he said.

He acknowledges PC is the best, and that people start to shift mid gen as games start to stagnate on fixed hardware.

He is simply saying that they are attempting to keep those players on the Playstation family rather than potentially lose a customer.

Smart move, though they couldve given the console more of an upgrade.

Huh?

House is full of shit. If you're gonna compete with the PC why are you releasing PSNow for it? Sounds like a lame excuse in anticipation of the Xbox One Scorpio. No idea why Sony is panicking, they're still leading sales by a significant margin.

Its the same for PsPro today. Current "high end" PCs absolutely destroy Ps Pros specs today(im buying it btw as I do everything). My current PC absolutely craps all over psPro and scorpio. VS PC both Ps Pro and Scorpio are both in the same situation. They are lacking. And neither will do real native 4k on most games.

Pretty much this. The PC is still the place to go for the high end market over both consoles. But I get what they are trying to do. But I do think this is a little snarky for Sony to say, they just dont want to legitimize MS as competition.

That was the writer's interpretation, not anything House said. I actually had to go back and read the article again to see if I missed that part. House didnt even say anything about the competition, the writer just assumed because his focus was the PC

You know MS is going to try to push Halo 6 and Forza 7 out the door with scorpio. People will eat that up. Only way to beat that is for Sony to make a price cut like you mentioned and release a Last of us type game.

Yeah? Then why the F did you keep the same shitty CPU that was already garbage inside a normal ps4? What kind of pc competition do you expect to achieve with an overlocked cpu from a cellphone?

Sounds to me just like their previous claim of more powerful than 99.56543644356236756% of PC's out there and then it turned out to be a 900pStation with games having no shadows. Sony and their lies.

With the PS4 Pro only pulling 4 TFLOPS and the Scorpio pulling over 6, and the newest GTX card pulling over 8, I highly doubt the PS4 Pro is going to be the first choice on people's lists for improved tech. It'll be a case of early adopters get burned once the Scorpio hits.

reading through some of these comments, it seems that many of the Sony fans still don't grasp what's happening here.. there's a fundamental shift in strategy from the Microsoft camp and Sony is going to have to adjust..

Basically: Sony doesn't want you to do your primary gaming on a Windows 10 device, whether it be a Win10 PC, Xbox One S, or Project Scorpio.. Microsoft does want you to do your primary gaming on a Windows 10 device, whether it be a Win10 PC, Xbox One S, or Project Scorpio..

It's just that simple..

For all of you who seem to think "the price is right" for the relatively underwhelming PS4 Pro, then you have to ask the question "for who?".. Let's take a look:

* Sony has a low-cost entry-level device that caters to the current HDTV owners in the PS4 at $299 but it is not future proof if you want to eventually upgrade to a 4K HDTV since it lacks 4K upscaling, a HDMI 2.0 port, and a Ultra HD Bluray drive.. They will eventually have a premium 4K console that will cater to the current and future 4K HDTV owners but it lacks a fundamental component for a 4K HDTV owner and that's an Ultra HD Bluray drive for movies and in terms of games, it doesn't have the raw power to be advertised as a truely native 4K gaming machine at purchase price of $399..

* Microsoft has a low-cost entry-level device that caters to the current HDTV owners and the current and future 4K HDTV owners in the Xbox One S at $299.. They will eventually have a premium 4K console that is said to provide truly native 4K resolution for gaming and undoubtedly will provide Ultra HD Bluray playback for native 4K movies at potential price of $399~$499.. They also have Windows 10 PCs with a wide range of prices and hardware so that gamers have complete control over their experience and can have the absolute latest and greatest in performance at any given time. They are taking ownership in the Windows 10 gaming space with "Xbox" being baked into the OS and using Xbox Play Anywhere, a unified Windows Store, UWP, and Xbox Live to provide a seamless gaming platform across both PC and consoles..

Now let's do some analysis of "for who" is "the price is right":

* current HDTV owners: Well at the same price, the Xbox One S is the more future proof option with included 4K output for gaming and movies in case you eventually upgrade to a 4K HDTV when compared to the PS4 which does not include those features..

* current and future 4K HDTV owners: Well, on the low-end, the Xbox One S is the cheaper option when compared to the PS4 Pro and they both provide upscaled 4K gaming output with HDR but the Xbox One S also has a Ultra HD Bluray drive for 4K movies while the PS4 Pro does not and it's doing so for $100 less.. And, on the high-end, Project Scorpio looks to provide the absolute best option in terms of native 4K gaming and movies for your 4K HDTV for probably only $100 more than a PS4 Pro at the time of it's release.. according to cows, paying an extra $100 for a PS4 Pro over a Xbox One S makes perfect sense despite there being no clearly marketable reason to do so other than VR (and actually the Xbox One S is ironically more marketable due to the UHD drive) but paying an extra $100 for Project Scorpio over a PS4 Pro when we are talking about the clearly marketable bullet point of "native 4K gaming" is out of the question?.. Please, just stop..

* PC gamers: PC gamers are still going to primarily game on PC regardless of the PS4 Pro or Project Scorpio but if they want to play games like Gears of War 4, Forza Horizon 3, Halo Wars 2, and others, they'll still be supporting Xbox, Xbox Live, and the Windows Store.. that's still a win for Microsoft no matter how you try to spin it..

TL;DR: So in closing, how is the PS4 Pro "just the right price" as I've seen repeated so many times in this thread.. the right price for who?.. for regular HDTV owners, both casual and hardcore, the Xbox One S is the cheaper option.. For casual gamers with 4K HDTVs, the Xbox One S is still the cheaper option and also provides 4K bluray playback.. For hardcore gamers with 4K HDTVs, the PS4 Pro is stuck in the middle between the more affordable Xbox One S and the more powerful Project Scorpio and again, without Ultra HD Bluray playback included in the box, that $399 pricepoint comes at a value loss..

Microsoft's strategy has changed gentlemen and they've positioned themselves perfectly.. will the hardware sales reflect as such?.. who knows.. but all you can do in business is formulate a winning strategy and position yourself for success.. Microsoft has done both..

Titan X does 11 tflops. And Nivida Tflops are molre potent than AMD ones. My gtx 1080 does about 8(though I have 2 in SLI so more when supported). Though titan x isnt a great comparison with how much it costs!

@jasonofa36: That actually makes sense even though it is rather an almost lost cause for console companies. MS is doing the same. Console companies are noticing the increase in speed of hardware updates and they're starting to put out consoles with updated hardware more frequently. They're both following the computer market. I guess Nintendo is the one that cares less about it.

Well it's a 400$ 4K ready PC. If you truly want high end you pay more but for that price is not bad at all.

@GhostHawk196: and i bet rush out to buy a ps4 pro and only then you relise you have been scammed yourself

I have no problem with the price and Im buying one. But people need to stop expecting real 4k. Its going to be upscaled for the majority of games and still 30 fps. Im actually hoping to see more 60fps out of this but well see.

With that said upscaled 4k looks pretty good. I got my 4k hdr set 3 weeks ago and xb1 s games look great and we dont even have hdr games yet. And streaming sites like hboGo upscale great.

You really should put "4K ready" and "PC" in quotations, since it doesn't do 4K Blu-ray (which makes me wonder about physical Blu-ray games, if it doesn't have the disc drive, how are they native 4K?) and it doesn't have the abilities of an open-platform desktop PC.

It's still a console, and it still charges the player $60 per year to play their games online.

You could probably build a budget 4K ready PC for $700-800 these days, and that investment would give you much more than just a console.

Well yeah but a $400 difference is a lot for many people, specially for those that don't care if the 4k is native or not, they just notice it's prettier.

For people who can afford a 4K display, that $300-400 difference is meaningless.

hmmm... what if they want VR too? I bet you could get a $800 bundle with VR. That could be tempting for people that want to try the tech and not spend so much. How much is VR for PS gonna cost by the way?

And if you want VR, you aren't going to want to limit yourself to outdated hardware. You are going to buy the Vive and a $2000 PC to run it at max settings.

Consoles are for people looking for cheap fun. If top-of-the-line performance and graphics are what people want, PC is the only option, and they'll pay for it, every single time.

This is Don Mattrick nonsense again. Sony has got their own version of him lol. Scorpio is a 4K native console. Literally only 4 per cent of Steam gamers play games at 4K.

Well most people don't even know what they want, they just want the shiny stuff that looks cool (see Apple). I'm just saying that if Sony gives them a working cool experience for a relatively cheap price people are going to go for it. Sony learned from the PS3, people like cheap stuff that works relatively well.

Gtx980 is only 5.4 teraflops and i sure the Scorpio GPU will be a new AMD GPU. Its a console you moron and who cares if gtx1080 beats it with power. How many gamers are playing 4K native games?