Andrew House on PS4 Pro - Xbox is not the competition, but rather PC.

Techie consumers know exactly what they want, especially if they are into high-end equipment. They do the research into the products and pick the best one for the application they want.

The type of consumer you are talking about is the general consumer. The general consumer couldn't give two shits about VR or 4K. They want to watch Netflix and play Call of Duty and FIFA. The regular PS4 or XBO will do this for them, and they'll gravitate towards whichever one is cheapest, and whichever one most of their friends have bought.

And I find it funny you talk about how Sony "learned what people like" with the PS3, yet, the PS2, which was a console with significantly more high quality exclusive and third party software, a lower price point, no technological advantage whatsoever (it was half as powerful as the Xbox) and some very severe reliability problems early in it's life, was able to beat out the PS3's lifetime sales record by a very solid 75 million units (155m for the PS2, 80m for the PS3 IIRC), which was about as much as the PS3 sold.

The market since then has changed drastically. PC gaming has been on the rise in that time, people are starting to realize you don't need a $2500 desktop to play Hearthstone, and building it yourself or paying someone to put parts you order together isn't as big a hassle. They realize there is more game variety and options on the PC, and you don't even need to have a gaming PC to game on PC (prebuilts, laptops, tablets, etc).

This new PS4 Pro, if under-powered compared to the Scorpio, and if Sony mishandles the marketing and confuses consumers into thinking they don't NEED to buy one, then they definitely won't (look at how the Wii U turned out when consumers thought it was literally a tablet controller for the Wii). They are going to go for the $300 PS4 because they haven't bought a 4K TV yet and won't need that ability if in the next 3 years, another PS4 comes out.

This could go VERY badly for Sony, and the way in which they are handling it so far, I'm starting to think it's just going to get worse. They fumbled hard this time and need to recover if they want to hold onto their lead.

sure, that's probably why their console exclusivity deals they've made allow for PC ports but prohibit Xbox One ports, because PC is their main competitor

PS4 gamers are not that bright lets be honest. Sony only did one thing right this gen beat MS with power. Everything else they are second best. Even AAA games are delayed and not coming out for years.

lol! How the heck can you compete with an huge open platform like PC gaming?

I said that they learned with PS3 because the PS3 was a mistake. But even then they overcame that huge mistake and did pretty well considering. And that's why I don't think Sony will have to worry so much. Even if they **** up they have a pretty good first party that can jump to their rescue. Even if the worst happens and the PS brand goes to hell they would be a great third party developer.

How can you compete with PC when you are allowing companies to charge us money for graphical patches and refusing to allow mods. Fack you Sony.

Sony is so full of shit right now. This is just getting sad. They should have spent the money to match Scorpio's specs. The Pro is an embarrassment.

Well, they're failing hard against PC.

PS4 is losing exclusive Japanese support to PC, and it barely gets exclusives in general. The pitiful PS4 Pro's power isn't going to compare well against what's already been out in the PC world for a while now.

The reason gamers move more towards PC as a generation wears on is because the consoles are no longer new and shiny. After the initial honeymoon phase wears off, gamers gravitate back to where the games and performance is. The PS4 Pro won't prevent that from happening.

The Pro will be a second class console in a year but I don't care, I want it now LOL. It will hold me over until the Scorpio lands.

PS4 Pro is a joke and can not compete with PC. Sony fucked up. They are targeting the more hardcore gamers and enthusiasts with the PRO, but they failed to design a system that caters to their needs. The system won't even be able to do 1080p/60fps in a lot of circumstances because they are still using the same shit CPU that is in the PS4 with a slight OC. This is a huge bottleneck as the CPU is already tapped out calculating physics, AI, collisions, etc. and won't have enough resources left to feed the GPU at higher frame rates. Poorly designed system and waste of a decent GPU. If they added another $50 to the price tag, they could have had a more serviceable CPU. People would be willing to pay a little more for a balanced system.

MS set the Xbone Elite console at $500. Expecting them to price Scorpio correctly is ludicrous. I've seen PS4 Pro to PC comparison and it does beyond miracles considering the $400 vs a $1,200+ PC.

You cant beat PC, you can only join them. This is basically a seed being planted in the minds of Sony consumers early, or late, depending on how you look at it.

Hopefully the Scorpio shits on PS4Poo soo much that Sony is forced to come out with the PS5 sooner than later. But even if that happens, we're stuck with a shitty Pro for years to come... ****

Let's all go to the sticky, and have ourselves a treat.