Gamestop executives/managers still instruct their employees to aggressively push for the PS4 instead of Xbone, because 1. Still the DRM issue. Their reason is that if it's as simple as downloading a patch to turn off the DRM in X1, then it must be as simple to turn it back on. IF Xbox One becomes the dominant console, then it's too late for Gamestop. Their fate is in MS's hand. They can't take that risk. So they still don't want X1 to succeed 2. Revenue per store square foot. If you've worked in retail you'd be familiar with this term. Retail space to store and display items is precious. They want to squeeze as much revenue for every inch of the store space. Xbox One is HUGE. The console alone is 65% bigger than PS4. Then add external brick and kinect camera. PS4 doesn't have external brick. So in total Xbox One box is easily 100% bigger than PS4, while the revenue is only 20% more. So bottomline is that they get more revenue per square foot from selling PS4 3. Logistic. The same reason as no.2. It costs more to store Xbox One in the warehouse and to distribute (shipping cost) it from warehouse to stores, because it's bigger and heavier 4. Allocation number. Sony allocates hundreds of PS4 per Gamestop store. While MS can allocate 30-40 max per store. While wasting your time and your saliva preaching for Xbox One when there's only a few consoles to sell. They're better off allocate resources advertising the PS4 So that's the anecdotal story from my local EBGames, the main branch in Toronto, on Yonge St. just outside the Eaton Center. Latest preorder number 250+ for PS4, 50+ for Xbone
[QUOTE="-Damien-"]Gamestop executives/managers still instruct their employees to aggressively push for the PS4 instead of Xbone, because 1. Still the DRM issue. Their reason is that if it's as simple as downloading a patch to turn off the DRM in X1, then it must be as simple to turn it back on. IF Xbox One becomes the dominant console, then it's too late for Gamestop. Their fate is in MS's hand. They can't take that risk. So they still don't want X1 to succeed 2. Revenue per store square foot. If you've worked in retail you'd be familiar with this term. Retail space to store and display items is precious. They want to squeeze as much revenue for every inch of the store space. Xbox One is HUGE. The console alone is 65% bigger than PS4. Then add external brick and kinect camera. PS4 doesn't have external brick. So in total Xbox One box is easily 100% bigger than PS4, while the revenue is only 20% more. So bottomline is that they get more revenue per square foot from selling PS4 3. Logistic. The same reason as no.2. It costs more to store Xbox One in the warehouse and to distribute (shipping cost) it from warehouse to stores, because it's bigger and heavier 4. Allocation number. Sony allocates hundreds of PS4 per Gamestop store. While MS can allocate 30-40 max per store. While wasting your time and your saliva preaching for Xbox One when there's only a few consoles to sell. They're better off allocate resources advertising the PS4 So that's the anecdotal story from my local EBGames, the main branch in Toronto, on Yonge St. just outside the Eaton Center. Latest preorder number 250+ for PS4, 50+ for Xbone #2 really sounds like a stretch. The only time you need to have one out is for a display unit, otherwise everything sits in inventory. I'd believe Gamestop is pushing PS4 more because Sony gave it the green light. Normally, at launch you are dictated how many consoles you get and you have to try and convince those coming into your store who want one (but can't because of shortages) to buy something else instead. With Sony giving the green light to take as many pre-orders as possible, Gamestop will do everything it can to convince people to get PS4 and the burden will be on Sony to provide.
[QUOTE="Basinboy"][QUOTE="-Damien-"]Gamestop executives/managers still instruct their employees to aggressively push for the PS4 instead of Xbone, because 1. Still the DRM issue. Their reason is that if it's as simple as downloading a patch to turn off the DRM in X1, then it must be as simple to turn it back on. IF Xbox One becomes the dominant console, then it's too late for Gamestop. Their fate is in MS's hand. They can't take that risk. So they still don't want X1 to succeed 2. Revenue per store square foot. If you've worked in retail you'd be familiar with this term. Retail space to store and display items is precious. They want to squeeze as much revenue for every inch of the store space. Xbox One is HUGE. The console alone is 65% bigger than PS4. Then add external brick and kinect camera. PS4 doesn't have external brick. So in total Xbox One box is easily 100% bigger than PS4, while the revenue is only 20% more. So bottomline is that they get more revenue per square foot from selling PS4 3. Logistic. The same reason as no.2. It costs more to store Xbox One in the warehouse and to distribute (shipping cost) it from warehouse to stores, because it's bigger and heavier 4. Allocation number. Sony allocates hundreds of PS4 per Gamestop store. While MS can allocate 30-40 max per store. While wasting your time and your saliva preaching for Xbox One when there's only a few consoles to sell. They're better off allocate resources advertising the PS4 So that's the anecdotal story from my local EBGames, the main branch in Toronto, on Yonge St. just outside the Eaton Center. Latest preorder number 250+ for PS4, 50+ for Xbone #2 really sounds like a stretch. The only time you need to have one out is for a display unit, otherwise everything sits in inventory. I'd believe Gamestop is pushing PS4 more because Sony gave it the green light. Normally, at launch you are dictated how many consoles you get and you have to try and convince those coming into your store who want one (but can't because of shortages) to buy something else instead. With Sony giving the green light to take as many pre-orders as possible, Gamestop will do everything it can to convince people to get PS4 and the burden will be on Sony to provide. that inventory is their backroom/storage room, have you seen how tiny gamestop storage rooms are
#1 is completely wrong. The drm would have been key based but with their new policies disks won't be bundled with keys any more. Thus you can't just turn it off with a patch because you'd turn off everyone's games.
the rest are guesses at best which take packaging more into consideration than the actual unit size. And even then its likely only slightly difference sizes so it won't make that big of a difference.
Makes sense that Gamestop/EB games would promote the PS4 more. I was the second to pre-order the PS4 at my local Gamestop. I could have pre-ordered the Xbox One but I didn't since it was before MS changed their DRM policy on Xbox One. Gamestop only got 10 for the Xbox launch. They have got way more PS4 console for pre-order.
You might be on to something with point 1 but not completely. Â Thinking in the business aspect...
 The always on DRM, restictive consumer, no used game model is what MS has shown everyone was their main goal coming into this generation and just because they were forced to change after the fact doesn't mean they've given up that goal.
if xbox became the dominant platform they most likely would try it again-maybe even harder. Â
Not saying that they are even pushing ps4, but if they are this would be a much more strategic reason based on the models of business the game companies are trying to follow
I've always had Xbox brand pushed on me at Gamestop. Â I doubt it was anything to do with company policy, its just that all the employees always seemed to have a hard on for Xbox gaming.
I've always had Xbox brand pushed on me at Gamestop. Â I doubt it was anything to do with company policy, its just that all the employees always seemed to have a hard on for Xbox gaming.
One of the many reasons I quit shopping there.
ConanTheStoner
back in the day i wanted to buy splinter cell on the gamecube and this moron clerk kept insisting to get the PS2 version when i told him several times i didn't want that version.
I've always had Xbox brand pushed on me at Gamestop. Â I doubt it was anything to do with company policy, its just that all the employees always seemed to have a hard on for Xbox gaming.
One of the many reasons I quit shopping there.
Tessellation
back in the day i wanted to buy splinter cell on the gamecube and this moron clerk kept insisting to get the PS2 version when i told him several times i didn't want that version.
Yeah, its ridiculous. Â I think it should be company policy that they only give their opinions when asked. Â When I went to pre-order MGS4 the guy told me to wait for the 360 version... that obviously never even came out.
They're always spewing bias and misinformation. Â Just ring up my purchase and shut the f*ck up!
I've always had Xbox brand pushed on me at Gamestop. Â I doubt it was anything to do with company policy, its just that all the employees always seemed to have a hard on for Xbox gaming.
One of the many reasons I quit shopping there.
Tessellation
back in the day i wanted to buy splinter cell on the gamecube and this moron clerk kept insisting to get the PS2 version when i told him several times i didn't want that version. You picked the GameCube version over the xbox1 version? You both failed.
Around my area my GameStop stores were always pro 360. There were these douchebag employees at one particular store in my area that would bash people who didn't own 360 . I remember them talking down to a guy and his girlfriend because they were buying a ps3 over a 360. The guy was pissed and nearly came to blows with the douchebag GameStop worker. Needless to say, the douchebag employees were soon fired.
I've always had Xbox brand pushed on me at Gamestop. Â I doubt it was anything to do with company policy, its just that all the employees always seemed to have a hard on for Xbox gaming.
One of the many reasons I quit shopping there.
DrTrafalgarLaw
back in the day i wanted to buy splinter cell on the gamecube and this moron clerk kept insisting to get the PS2 version when i told him several times i didn't want that version. You picked the GameCube version over the xbox1 version? You both failed. i didn't have my xbox and ps2 with me in that time,so i picked the gamecube version.
I've always had Xbox brand pushed on me at Gamestop. Â I doubt it was anything to do with company policy, its just that all the employees always seemed to have a hard on for Xbox gaming.
One of the many reasons I quit shopping there.
ConanTheStoner
back in the day i wanted to buy splinter cell on the gamecube and this moron clerk kept insisting to get the PS2 version when i told him several times i didn't want that version.
Yeah, its ridiculous. Â I think it should be company policy that they only give their opinions when asked. Â When I went to pre-order MGS4 the guy told me to wait for the 360 version... that obviously never even came out.
They're always spewing bias and misinformation. Â Just ring up my purchase and shut the f*ck up!
they are annoying as shit and that's why i stopped buying from them.
So why would a company not push that for free money upfront? Â I wounder how much money gamestop makes off of people never show up and claiming their pre orders
Same here, my local EB Games is pushing PS4 a lot, and it's making a huge difference. I've seen so many uninformed customers walk in to pre order an Xbox One and then walk out with a PS4 pre-order. It's not like they force you to pre-order a PS4, they only educate people about what Microsoft has been doing lately (obviously in an attempt to make people pre-order the PS4).
More like sony told them to push out as many pre order to know how many to build. Also companies aren't know for thinking ahead too much and would gladly sell you a rope to hang them with if they think they can make a quick buck.
[QUOTE="-Damien-"]Gamestop executives/managers still instruct their employees to aggressively push for the PS4 instead of Xbone, because 1. Still the DRM issue. Their reason is that if it's as simple as downloading a patch to turn off the DRM in X1, then it must be as simple to turn it back on. IF Xbox One becomes the dominant console, then it's too late for Gamestop. Their fate is in MS's hand. They can't take that risk. So they still don't want X1 to succeed 2. Revenue per store square foot. If you've worked in retail you'd be familiar with this term. Retail space to store and display items is precious. They want to squeeze as much revenue for every inch of the store space. Xbox One is HUGE. The console alone is 65% bigger than PS4. Then add external brick and kinect camera. PS4 doesn't have external brick. So in total Xbox One box is easily 100% bigger than PS4, while the revenue is only 20% more. So bottomline is that they get more revenue per square foot from selling PS4 3. Logistic. The same reason as no.2. It costs more to store Xbox One in the warehouse and to distribute (shipping cost) it from warehouse to stores, because it's bigger and heavier 4. Allocation number. Sony allocates hundreds of PS4 per Gamestop store. While MS can allocate 30-40 max per store. While wasting your time and your saliva preaching for Xbox One when there's only a few consoles to sell. They're better off allocate resources advertising the PS4 So that's the anecdotal story from my local EBGames, the main branch in Toronto, on Yonge St. just outside the Eaton Center. Latest preorder number 250+ for PS4, 50+ for Xbone Dude. You have too much time on your hands.
2. Revenue per store square foot. If you've worked in retail you'd be familiar with this term. Retail space to store and display items is precious. They want to squeeze as much revenue for every inch of the store space. Xbox One is HUGE. The console alone is 65% bigger than PS4. Then add external brick and kinect camera. PS4 doesn't have external brick. So in total Xbox One box is easily 100% bigger than PS4, while the revenue is only 20% more. So bottomline is that they get more revenue per square foot from selling PS4 3.-Damien-
[QUOTE="-Damien-"][QUOTE="Basinboy"][QUOTE="-Damien-"]Gamestop executives/managers still instruct their employees to aggressively push for the PS4 instead of Xbone, because 1. Still the DRM issue. Their reason is that if it's as simple as downloading a patch to turn off the DRM in X1, then it must be as simple to turn it back on. IF Xbox One becomes the dominant console, then it's too late for Gamestop. Their fate is in MS's hand. They can't take that risk. So they still don't want X1 to succeed 2. Revenue per store square foot. If you've worked in retail you'd be familiar with this term. Retail space to store and display items is precious. They want to squeeze as much revenue for every inch of the store space. Xbox One is HUGE. The console alone is 65% bigger than PS4. Then add external brick and kinect camera. PS4 doesn't have external brick. So in total Xbox One box is easily 100% bigger than PS4, while the revenue is only 20% more. So bottomline is that they get more revenue per square foot from selling PS4 3. Logistic. The same reason as no.2. It costs more to store Xbox One in the warehouse and to distribute (shipping cost) it from warehouse to stores, because it's bigger and heavier 4. Allocation number. Sony allocates hundreds of PS4 per Gamestop store. While MS can allocate 30-40 max per store. While wasting your time and your saliva preaching for Xbox One when there's only a few consoles to sell. They're better off allocate resources advertising the PS4 So that's the anecdotal story from my local EBGames, the main branch in Toronto, on Yonge St. just outside the Eaton Center. Latest preorder number 250+ for PS4, 50+ for Xbone #2 really sounds like a stretch. The only time you need to have one out is for a display unit, otherwise everything sits in inventory. I'd believe Gamestop is pushing PS4 more because Sony gave it the green light. Normally, at launch you are dictated how many consoles you get and you have to try and convince those coming into your store who want one (but can't because of shortages) to buy something else instead. With Sony giving the green light to take as many pre-orders as possible, Gamestop will do everything it can to convince people to get PS4 and the burden will be on Sony to provide. that inventory is their backroom/storage room, have you seen how tiny gamestop storage rooms are Have you ever seen how stackable boxes can be? It's a bigger box but hell, they'll stack in the back of the manager's van if needs be. Besides, how many do you think each store is going to get at launch?
[QUOTE="-Damien-"][QUOTE="Basinboy"] #2 really sounds like a stretch. The only time you need to have one out is for a display unit, otherwise everything sits in inventory. I'd believe Gamestop is pushing PS4 more because Sony gave it the green light. Normally, at launch you are dictated how many consoles you get and you have to try and convince those coming into your store who want one (but can't because of shortages) to buy something else instead. With Sony giving the green light to take as many pre-orders as possible, Gamestop will do everything it can to convince people to get PS4 and the burden will be on Sony to provide.Basinboy
that inventory is their backroom/storage room, have you seen how tiny gamestop storage rooms are Have you ever seen how stackable boxes can be? It's a bigger box but hell, they'll stack in the back of the manager's van if needs be. Besides, how many do you think each store is going to get at launch?Doesn't matter anyways. Â In the end, if the system's selling, they'll stock it. Â If not, they won't. Â They simply try to get rid of it like the Wii U.
Gamestop doesn't trust MS apparently,and even that gamestop was one of those who would have sell on the xbox one,if the DRM would have standed it would not have been the same or close for them.
Having MS as a middle man would have eat into gamestop profits big time,worst there was no warranty that all developers would not lock their games,so developers could have lock the games and gamestop would have make nothing out of used sales.
So Gamestop pushing the PS4 is highly likely,considering that the policies are the same as now which is how gamestop really like it.
[QUOTE="-Damien-"] 2. Revenue per store square foot. If you've worked in retail you'd be familiar with this term. Retail space to store and display items is precious. They want to squeeze as much revenue for every inch of the store space. Xbox One is HUGE. The console alone is 65% bigger than PS4. Then add external brick and kinect camera. PS4 doesn't have external brick. So in total Xbox One box is easily 100% bigger than PS4, while the revenue is only 20% more. So bottomline is that they get more revenue per square foot from selling PS4 3.MirkoS77
Can't believe someone is sad enough to dream BS like this up. Â Can't believe some fall for it.
santoron
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Let me tell you something if i have a business and you try to fu** it up,i would try anything in my power to fu** yours,don't believe for one second that Gamestop cares who wins or lose,they care about their profits and a huge part is use games,if MS was in the middle gamestop profits would go down period,even when gamestop was part of the selected retailers,hell even more because MS could have do the same with walmart and other stores and gamestop would be greatly hit.
[QUOTE="-Damien-"] 2. Revenue per store square foot. If you've worked in retail you'd be familiar with this term. Retail space to store and display items is precious. They want to squeeze as much revenue for every inch of the store space. Xbox One is HUGE. The console alone is 65% bigger than PS4. Then add external brick and kinect camera. PS4 doesn't have external brick. So in total Xbox One box is easily 100% bigger than PS4, while the revenue is only 20% more. So bottomline is that they get more revenue per square foot from selling PS4 3.-Damien-
:roll: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sales_per_unit_areaSo what? Â I'm very aware of the concept, I've worked in retail. Â Your entire argument is based upon the assumption that the One won't sell. Â The size of the unit is irrelevant if it's moving out the door. Â If it sells, they'll afford it space. Â If it doesn't, they won't. Â
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sales_per_unit_areaSo what? Â I'm very aware of the concept, I've worked in retail. Â Your entire argument is based upon the assumption that the One won't sell. Â The size of the unit is irrelevant if it's moving out the door. Â If it sells, they'll afford it space. Â If it doesn't, they won't. Â you're stupid, if you think size and weight doesn't matter in retail sales. Why the **** would you want to handle a massive and heavy item for the same price for a tiny item
So what? Â I'm very aware of the concept, I've worked in retail. Â Your entire argument is based upon the assumption that the One won't sell. Â The size of the unit is irrelevant if it's moving out the door. Â If it sells, they'll afford it space. Â If it doesn't, they won't. Â you're stupid, if you think size and weight doesn't matter in retail sales. Why the **** would you want to handle a massive and heavy item for the same price for a tiny itemIf something is larger but sells more than something else (even for cheaper), why wouldn't you stock it? Â I am not the one presuming that both the PS4 and One will sell equally or better or worse than the other, which is what your entire position is contingent upon. Â You can't base your argument off of them when they haven't even released yet. Â Sales are everything.
Perhaps you could say that GS will not wish to stock it because they disagree with what MS is trying to do, but to say they simply won't stock it because it's larger without taking anything else into consideration is dumb.
When I was there there was a big thing on their counter to pre-order PS4, along with a banner. Nothing for Xbox One. This was before the policy change but I bet they still don't have anything for X1. I also got an e-mail to remind to pre-order the PS4, not the X1 and PS4, just the Playstation.
Gamestop doesn't trust MS apparently,and even that gamestop was one of those who would have sell on the xbox one,if the DRM would have standed it would not have been the same or close for them.
Having MS as a middle man would have eat into gamestop profits big time,worst there was no warranty that all developers would not lock their games,so developers could have lock the games and gamestop would have make nothing out of used sales.
So Gamestop pushing the PS4 is highly likely,considering that the policies are the same as now which is how gamestop really like it.
tormentos
You are soooo full of it. You have no idea what Gamestop tihnks of MS since they were working very closely with MS with regards to DRM. They were going to make money still so stop projecting your scewed views on the rest of us.
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