Another metagame rule for next gen. SW decides.

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#51 RyanShazam
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I cant wait until a PS3 game gets a 9.0 or 9.5 and on Metacritic it gets like an 8.5 or 8.7. Cows are gonna be like "Oh Metacritic SUCKS!!! Gamespot scores are better!!!!"

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#52 mitu123
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So much for an AAAAE then if we use metacritic. That means Metal Gear Solid 4 and Super Mario Galaxy 2 aren't AAAAEs if we use them!

We also have to rely on sites that give good games bad scores, remember Assassin's Creed 2 getting a 4.5/10 from that one site anyone?

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#53 super600  Moderator
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One reason to never use metacritc

Scores can change for games if their is a error made in the review

Also it's stupid to average out others opinions when one opinion is weighted higher then another.

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I cant wait until a PS3 game gets a 9.0 or 9.5 and on Metacritic it gets like an 8.5 or 8.7. Cows are gonna be like "Oh Metacritic SUCKS!!! Gamespot scores are better!!!!"

RyanShazam
MGS4 is AAAA here and not on MC and I'm not whining over that :|
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#55 kuraimen
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One reason to never use metacritc

Scores can change for games if their is a error made in the review

Also it's stupid to average out others opinions.

super600
Companies do that all the time to assess how the people in general feel about their products.... even game companies.
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nahhhh

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#57 kuraimen
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So much for an AAAAE then if we use metacritic. That means Metal Gear Solid 4 and Super Mario Galaxy 2 aren't AAAAEs if we use them!

We also have to rely on sites that give good games bad scores, remember Assassin's Creed 2 getting a 4.5/10 from that one site anyone?

mitu123
Not having AAAAE's is more realistic than having AAAAE's :)
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#58 fadersdream
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="fadersdream"][QUOTE="kuraimen"]

Did you just quote yourself?

I wanted to add something to what I said hence why I quoted myself. .

Why not just edit what you posted?
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#59 RyanShazam
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[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

I cant wait until a PS3 game gets a 9.0 or 9.5 and on Metacritic it gets like an 8.5 or 8.7. Cows are gonna be like "Oh Metacritic SUCKS!!! Gamespot scores are better!!!!"

kuraimen

MGS4 is AAAA here and not on MC and I'm not whining over that :|

Yeah because it has a higher GS score. Cows always moooove on over to whichever site gives their games the higher scores.

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#60 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

So much for an AAAAE then if we use metacritic. That means Metal Gear Solid 4 and Super Mario Galaxy 2 aren't AAAAEs if we use them!

We also have to rely on sites that give good games bad scores, remember Assassin's Creed 2 getting a 4.5/10 from that one site anyone?

kuraimen

Not having AAAAE's is more realistic than having AAAAE's :)

Good point!

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#61 super600  Moderator
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[QUOTE="super600"]

One reason to never use metacritc

Scores can change for games if their is a error made in the review

Also it's stupid to average out others opinions.

kuraimen

Companies do that all the time to assess how the people in general feel about their products.... even game companies.

Yes!But when a company uses MC to determine bonus pay for their workers you know something is wrong.

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#62 blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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Well so far its 4 or 5 (mostly new accounts) vs lots so pretty clear where the community stands.

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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]first, lol at averaging opinions. second, different weights are given to different sources so right away that's not a fair way to access things. third, different sources use different grading scales and metacritic transforms them into things that don't match the original intention fourth, different sources review different games so how can that be fair and even? fifth, metacritic is slow. it takes a long time for all the reviews to come in and the average score changes over time.kuraimen
1,2,3,4 Those are standard statistical practices that are used to average and compre data. Polling companies average opinions to represent consumer tendencies for example. Those opinions usually follow different standards that's why statistical analysis has ways to normalize data so it can compare it. Metacritic does that. Also weights are used for the most significant data all the time in statistical analysis too like Metacritic does 5 I addressed that in the OP. It can actually make SW more interesting...

it doesn't matter what they are. they don't work for something like this. they can't.

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I think Adobe's solution is the better deal. However, deciding those sites would be a major chore. We'd need a few individuals in charge of polling and counting posts.

I'd rather use GS than MC (this is fun, for some people), but I think Adobe's is a middle-of-the-road solution.

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I cant wait until a PS3 game gets a 9.0 or 9.5 and on Metacritic it gets like an 8.5 or 8.7. Cows are gonna be like "Oh Metacritic SUCKS!!! Gamespot scores are better!!!!"

RyanShazam
Such a coincidence that the year PS3 is r@ped by 360 on GS we get cows clamouring for Metacritic :roll: Strange how we didn't hear that for MGS4 getting AAAAe (94 on Metacritic) or Demon's Souls (GOTY AAAe here, only AA on Meta) or when Forza 4 or Skyward Sword flopped (both AAAe on Metacritic). Cows are the worst, no other fanboy group has lied and spun as conisistantly all gen long to eke out SOME win, in SOME way, over 360. Next gen, same as always, GS scores determine best overall library which determines best console!
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[QUOTE="AmazingGaming"]No. That just makes it a competition to see how many "PS Planet" and "Xbox World" perfect 10/10 scores get handed out to hyped exclusives.kuraimen
The proof that those sites don't really affect much the scores is that multiplats score basically the same on both consoles in Metacritic even with those sites factored in. If some sites weighted more than others the scores would be much different.

And proof that it doesn't is Halo 4 having a 6.2 currently and that it had a 2.6 the day before it was even released. Metacritic is rife with Fanboys more interested in attacking good popular games than giving realistic reviews. I'm assuming none of those negatives were you, right?
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I think Adobe's solution is the better deal. However, deciding those sites would be a major chore. We'd need a few individuals in charge of polling and counting posts.

I'd rather use GS than MC (this is fun, for some people), but I think Adobe's is a middle-of-the-road solution.

lundy86_4

not really his idea but maybe something can come of it this time.

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#68 locopatho
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O and NO obviously.
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#69 jg4xchamp
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I vote you plebs drop the metagame entirely. I also you vote you tw@ts get some taste, but I'll settle for dropping the metagame.
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#70 lundy86_4
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

I think Adobe's solution is the better deal. However, deciding those sites would be a major chore. We'd need a few individuals in charge of polling and counting posts.

I'd rather use GS than MC (this is fun, for some people), but I think Adobe's is a middle-of-the-road solution.

CaseyWegner

not really his idea but maybe something can come of it this time.

True, true. I was talking the context of the thread, but it makes sense that it has been bandied about before.

It would be interesting to see. Maybe it would please both parties a s a "best of both worlds" scenario.

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The metagame is stupid anyway. It's like some rule a bunch of 8 year olds came up with on the playground.
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[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

I cant wait until a PS3 game gets a 9.0 or 9.5 and on Metacritic it gets like an 8.5 or 8.7. Cows are gonna be like "Oh Metacritic SUCKS!!! Gamespot scores are better!!!!"

locopatho
Such a coincidence that the year PS3 is r@ped by 360 on GS we get cows clamouring for Metacritic :roll: Strange how we didn't hear that for MGS4 getting AAAAe (94 on Metacritic) or Demon's Souls (GOTY AAAe here, only AA on Meta) or when Forza 4 or Skyward Sword flopped (both AAAe on Metacritic). Cows are the worst, no other fanboy group has lied and spun as conisistantly all gen long to eke out SOME win, in SOME way, over 360. Next gen, same as always, GS scores determine best overall library which determines best console!

If you can't win, change the rules.
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#73 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="super600"]

One reason to never use metacritc

Scores can change for games if their is a error made in the review

Also it's stupid to average out others opinions.

super600

Companies do that all the time to assess how the people in general feel about their products.... even game companies.

Yes!But when a company uses MC to determine bonus pay for their workers you know something is wrong.

If they didn't have Metacritic they would use one particular site... That's not a problem of Metacritic that's the problem of the company that are a-holes.
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[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

I cant wait until a PS3 game gets a 9.0 or 9.5 and on Metacritic it gets like an 8.5 or 8.7. Cows are gonna be like "Oh Metacritic SUCKS!!! Gamespot scores are better!!!!"

locopatho

Such a coincidence that the year PS3 is r@ped by 360 on GS we get cows clamouring for Metacritic :roll: Strange how we didn't hear that for MGS4 getting AAAAe (94 on Metacritic) or Demon's Souls (GOTY AAAe here, only AA on Meta) or when Forza 4 or Skyward Sword flopped (both AAAe on Metacritic). Cows are the worst, no other fanboy group has lied and spun as conisistantly all gen long to eke out SOME win, in SOME way, over 360. Next gen, same as always, GS scores determine best overall library which determines best console!

not really a coincidence. the new gen is starting soon and this is when the metagame rules can be ammended. i was planning on making this thread myself but backed off when my other thread regarding downloadable games got locked for questionable reasons.

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#75 Cheleman
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OK, it's decided. Metacritics > Gamespot

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="AmazingGaming"]No. That just makes it a competition to see how many "PS Planet" and "Xbox World" perfect 10/10 scores get handed out to hyped exclusives.fadersdream
The proof that those sites don't really affect much the scores is that multiplats score basically the same on both consoles in Metacritic even with those sites factored in. If some sites weighted more than others the scores would be much different.

And proof that it doesn't is Halo 4 having a 6.2 currently and that it had a 2.6 the day before it was even released. Metacritic is rife with Fanboys more interested in attacking good popular games than giving realistic reviews. I'm assuming none of those negatives were you, right?

I'm talking about the critic score not the user score :| No one uses the user score not even here.
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#77 The_Game21x
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No.

Metacritic's "weighted average" nonsense is inherently and deeply flawed.

Besides, this is GameSpot. You want to bring up Metacritic scores to make a point? Fine, but the metagame should be exclusive to GameSpot reviews.

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#78 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

I cant wait until a PS3 game gets a 9.0 or 9.5 and on Metacritic it gets like an 8.5 or 8.7. Cows are gonna be like "Oh Metacritic SUCKS!!! Gamespot scores are better!!!!"

locopatho
Such a coincidence that the year PS3 is r@ped by 360 on GS we get cows clamouring for Metacritic :roll: Strange how we didn't hear that for MGS4 getting AAAAe (94 on Metacritic) or Demon's Souls (GOTY AAAe here, only AA on Meta) or when Forza 4 or Skyward Sword flopped (both AAAe on Metacritic). Cows are the worst, no other fanboy group has lied and spun as conisistantly all gen long to eke out SOME win, in SOME way, over 360. Next gen, same as always, GS scores determine best overall library which determines best console!

Actually the PS3 is winning the metagame or at least tied... and next year it will probably surpass the 360. Stop getting all paranoid and not making sense :roll:
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I think Adobe's solution is the better deal. However, deciding those sites would be a major chore. We'd need a few individuals in charge of polling and counting posts.

I'd rather use GS than MC (this is fun, for some people), but I think Adobe's is a middle-of-the-road solution.

lundy86_4
Agreed, but it would be an absolute b!tch to do and far more trouble than it's worth. So, I say no. Stick to GameSpot. MetaCritic is garbage.
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#80 Badosh
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OK, it's decided. Metacritics > Gamespot

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Stop that nonsense.
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

I cant wait until a PS3 game gets a 9.0 or 9.5 and on Metacritic it gets like an 8.5 or 8.7. Cows are gonna be like "Oh Metacritic SUCKS!!! Gamespot scores are better!!!!"

RyanShazam

MGS4 is AAAA here and not on MC and I'm not whining over that :|

Yeah because it has a higher GS score. Cows always moooove on over to whichever site gives their games the higher scores.

Wut so I'm asking to change the rules to Metacritic because I want to use the GS score? :|
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[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

I cant wait until a PS3 game gets a 9.0 or 9.5 and on Metacritic it gets like an 8.5 or 8.7. Cows are gonna be like "Oh Metacritic SUCKS!!! Gamespot scores are better!!!!"

kuraimen

Such a coincidence that the year PS3 is r@ped by 360 on GS we get cows clamouring for Metacritic :roll: Strange how we didn't hear that for MGS4 getting AAAAe (94 on Metacritic) or Demon's Souls (GOTY AAAe here, only AA on Meta) or when Forza 4 or Skyward Sword flopped (both AAAe on Metacritic). Cows are the worst, no other fanboy group has lied and spun as conisistantly all gen long to eke out SOME win, in SOME way, over 360. Next gen, same as always, GS scores determine best overall library which determines best console!

Actually the PS3 is winning the metagame or at least tied... and next year it will probably surpass the 360. Stop getting all paranoid and not making sense :roll:

He made perfect sense to me...

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="fadersdream"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] The proof that those sites don't really affect much the scores is that multiplats score basically the same on both consoles in Metacritic even with those sites factored in. If some sites weighted more than others the scores would be much different.

And proof that it doesn't is Halo 4 having a 6.2 currently and that it had a 2.6 the day before it was even released. Metacritic is rife with Fanboys more interested in attacking good popular games than giving realistic reviews. I'm assuming none of those negatives were you, right?

I'm talking about the critic score not the user score :| No one uses the user score not even here.

if the critic score is relatively the same then why even bother?
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#84 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="locopatho"] Such a coincidence that the year PS3 is r@ped by 360 on GS we get cows clamouring for Metacritic :roll: Strange how we didn't hear that for MGS4 getting AAAAe (94 on Metacritic) or Demon's Souls (GOTY AAAe here, only AA on Meta) or when Forza 4 or Skyward Sword flopped (both AAAe on Metacritic). Cows are the worst, no other fanboy group has lied and spun as conisistantly all gen long to eke out SOME win, in SOME way, over 360. Next gen, same as always, GS scores determine best overall library which determines best console!RyanShazam

Actually the PS3 is winning the metagame or at least tied... and next year it will probably surpass the 360. Stop getting all paranoid and not making sense :roll:

He made perfect sense to me...

He's saying that cows are asking this because the 360 is destroying the PS3 in the metagame but it isn't destroying the PS3 in the metagame how does that make sense?
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[QUOTE="fadersdream"][QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="fadersdream"] And proof that it doesn't is Halo 4 having a 6.2 currently and that it had a 2.6 the day before it was even released. Metacritic is rife with Fanboys more interested in attacking good popular games than giving realistic reviews. I'm assuming none of those negatives were you, right?

I'm talking about the critic score not the user score :| No one uses the user score not even here.

if the critic score is relatively the same then why even bother?

The critic score is not virtually the same in Metacritic. The critic score for Halo 4 is 87 while the user score is like 60 something I think.
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#86 lundy86_4
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

I think Adobe's solution is the better deal. However, deciding those sites would be a major chore. We'd need a few individuals in charge of polling and counting posts.

I'd rather use GS than MC (this is fun, for some people), but I think Adobe's is a middle-of-the-road solution.

DarkLink77

Agreed, but it would be an absolute b!tch to do and far more trouble than it's worth. So, I say no. Stick to GameSpot. MetaCritic is garbage.

Yeah, if there's no way to agree on a few sites, then we should definitely stick to GS. There are far too many issues when taking MC into account.

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[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] MGS4 is AAAA here and not on MC and I'm not whining over that :|kuraimen

Yeah because it has a higher GS score. Cows always moooove on over to whichever site gives their games the higher scores.

Wut so I'm asking to change the rules to Metacritic because I want to use the GS score? :|

Im saying even if we did change it, Cows twist the metagame any way they please to win an argument. If a game scores higher on GS the GS score applies. If a game scores higher on MC the MC score applies. Cows will use anything to spin a lossing argument into their favor.

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#89 Heil68
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Well so far its 4 or 5 (mostly new accounts) vs lots so pretty clear where the community stands.

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I cant see the pole :P What happens when Gs doesnt review a game then, it doesnt count?
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[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

I cant wait until a PS3 game gets a 9.0 or 9.5 and on Metacritic it gets like an 8.5 or 8.7. Cows are gonna be like "Oh Metacritic SUCKS!!! Gamespot scores are better!!!!"

kuraimen

Such a coincidence that the year PS3 is r@ped by 360 on GS we get cows clamouring for Metacritic :roll: Strange how we didn't hear that for MGS4 getting AAAAe (94 on Metacritic) or Demon's Souls (GOTY AAAe here, only AA on Meta) or when Forza 4 or Skyward Sword flopped (both AAAe on Metacritic). Cows are the worst, no other fanboy group has lied and spun as conisistantly all gen long to eke out SOME win, in SOME way, over 360. Next gen, same as always, GS scores determine best overall library which determines best console!

Actually the PS3 is winning the metagame or at least tied... and next year it will probably surpass the 360. Stop getting all paranoid and not making sense :roll:

With the new rules PS3 is losing by 10ish games.

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#91 DarkLink77
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Fanboys are using GS scores, especially lems, because they work the best for them and claim ownage.

Bring out Metacritic and they get owned.

GamerwillzPS
You do realize that: 1. With the addition of downloadable games, the 360 now crushes the PS3 in the metagame. 2. If you go to MetaCritic, the 360 wins, hands down, forever. There is literally no way for the PS3 to match it. I have no idea why cows want to transition to MetaCritic. It does not help them in any way. I mean, I know you pretend to be a hermit and all, but try to make your bias a bit less obvious.
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#92 fadersdream
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="fadersdream"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] I'm talking about the critic score not the user score :| No one uses the user score not even here.

if the critic score is relatively the same then why even bother?

The critic score is not virtually the same in Metacritic. The critic score for Halo 4 is 87 while the user score is like 60 something I think.

you misunderstand, the score here is relatively the same as the score there.
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#93 _Cadbury_
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

Yeah because it has a higher GS score. Cows always moooove on over to whichever site gives their games the higher scores.

RyanShazam

Wut so I'm asking to change the rules to Metacritic because I want to use the GS score? :|

Im saying even if we did change it, Cows twist the metagame any way they please to win an argument. If a game scores higher on GS the GS score applies. If a game scores higher on MC the MC score applies. Cows will use anything to spin a lossing argument into their favor.

ALL fanboys do that you fool -.-
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#95 RyanShazam
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Actually the PS3 is winning the metagame or at least tied... and next year it will probably surpass the 360. Stop getting all paranoid and not making sense :roll:kuraimen

He made perfect sense to me...

He's saying that cows are asking this because the 360 is destroying the PS3 in the metagame but it isn't destroying the PS3 in the metagame how does that make sense?

He said this year they lost the metagame which they did.

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#96 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="locopatho"] Such a coincidence that the year PS3 is r@ped by 360 on GS we get cows clamouring for Metacritic :roll: Strange how we didn't hear that for MGS4 getting AAAAe (94 on Metacritic) or Demon's Souls (GOTY AAAe here, only AA on Meta) or when Forza 4 or Skyward Sword flopped (both AAAe on Metacritic). Cows are the worst, no other fanboy group has lied and spun as conisistantly all gen long to eke out SOME win, in SOME way, over 360. Next gen, same as always, GS scores determine best overall library which determines best console!Thefatness16

Actually the PS3 is winning the metagame or at least tied... and next year it will probably surpass the 360. Stop getting all paranoid and not making sense :roll:

With the new rules PS3 is losing by 10ish games.

Wut? The dl rules apply from next gen not this gen... Besides if the 360 is winning here it will probably be winning in Metacritic too but it will be more accurate.
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#97 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="fadersdream"] if the critic score is relatively the same then why even bother?fadersdream
The critic score is not virtually the same in Metacritic. The critic score for Halo 4 is 87 while the user score is like 60 something I think.

you misunderstand, the score here is relatively the same as the score there.

Not true Halo Wars score a 6 here and it is a 80-something on Metacritic. There are many examples like that: Fable Kinect, Wonderbook, etc
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#98 RyanShazam
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[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Wut so I'm asking to change the rules to Metacritic because I want to use the GS score? :|_Cadbury_

Im saying even if we did change it, Cows twist the metagame any way they please to win an argument. If a game scores higher on GS the GS score applies. If a game scores higher on MC the MC score applies. Cows will use anything to spin a lossing argument into their favor.

ALL fanboys do that you fool -.-

Not as much as cows do. I cant recal the last 360 game that Lems spun the reviews around to win.

Sheep dont need to worry about it because there games are higher scoring on both GS and MC.

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You just wanna use metacritic because your butthurt it doesn't fit your argument lol

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#100 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="RyanShazam"]He made perfect sense to me...

RyanShazam

He's saying that cows are asking this because the 360 is destroying the PS3 in the metagame but it isn't destroying the PS3 in the metagame how does that make sense?

He said this year they lost the metagame which they did.

The year is not over and the PS3 lost by like one game that's hardly destroying.