Another thorn in Blu Ray's side

Forget movies, there's been a constant argument between fanboys alike over Blu Ray being needed. I agree that 50gb of space is great, but it isn't really needed to make good games. The Sega CD add-on used CDs (a much more efficent format with a lot more memory available), but it didn't stop the other consoles such as the SNES that used simple cartridges.

Anyhoo, here's a tech-demo for Bayou. It looks pretty awesome, I don't think anyone will deny that. But the ending may come as a shock to many.....

http://www.gametrailers.com/umwatcher.php?id=54175

I'm no expert here but I would assume there's much more to that scene than the 318K. Not to mention how many multiple scenes and changes to that scene that are needed for it to be a game.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Uncompressed/less compressed is always going to be higher quality than compressed. Yes, certain aspects of a game can be compressed without much showing. But to have large worlds with next-gen graphics, it will take alot more than what was shown on your link.dubvisions

And I don't think they said anything about it being compressed. And if it was heavy compressed, you can't say that video  wasn't good quality

I'm no expert here but I would assume there's much more to that scene than the 318K. Not to mention how many multiple scenes and changes to that scene that are needed for it to be a game.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Uncompressed/less compressed is always going to be higher quality than compressed. Yes, certain aspects of a game can be compressed without much showing. But to have large worlds with next-gen graphics, it will take alot more than what was shown on your link.dubvisions

Of course, you're sacrificing read speed for the amount you can fit on a disc...The fact of the matter is, the PS3's blu-ray isn't an ideal blu-ray player to begin with, so what it gains in some areas, it loses in others.

PS3 is here to push blu-ray, sure it's nice, but it isn't needed. Whoever says otherwise is brainwashed by Sony.X360PS3AMD05

People think that a larger format is needed and they blame the short length of many single player games for the "lack" of extra space; yet, they don't realize that the reason they're short is because of development time and cost. Projects have DEADLINES that devs have to meet; and to make a longer than average game, this means more work and time, which consequently, means more cost.

NOW, add this with the cost of having to develop for the relatively complex PS3 hardware and you'll understand why most multiplats don't turn out as well as they do as on the 360. Which brings me to a different point btw; when devs take their time to develop for the PS3 and are willing to pay for the extra costs, games can turn out really well (as with the case of the Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion port) and the reason why I believe games like Metal Gear Solid 4, Final Fantasy XIII and Heavenly Sword will be really good.

PS3 is here to push blu-ray, sure it's nice, but it isn't needed. Whoever says otherwise is brainwashed by Sony.X360PS3AMD05

GT4 and a host of other Games were 7 Gb etc last gen. Don't you atleast think those games need it.

I mean come one.

The Ram this gen is Like 16 times what we had last gen. Don't you need 16 times more content to fill it.

Hi-def sound, 1080P cut cutscenes etc.

[QUOTE="Soulxxx"]So you have to use two dvds now... you're ok with that?? Playing GTA5 for example, changing cities... you don't have a problem with swapping discs??

Plus, you're basically saying "Developers don't wanna go next-gen yet"... understandable, that just makes them LAME.MegaPigeon

I am pretty sure he's using this as an example, how about answering

[QUOTE="MegaPigeon"][QUOTE="Soulxxx"]So you have to use two dvds now... you're ok with that?? Playing GTA5 for example, changing cities... you don't have a problem with swapping discs??

Plus, you're basically saying "Developers don't wanna go next-gen yet"... understandable, that just makes them LAME.Blinblingthing

I am pretty sure he's using this as an example, how about answering

[QUOTE="Soulxxx"]So you have to use two dvds now... you're ok with that?? Playing GTA5 for example, changing cities... you don't have a problem with swapping discs??

Plus, you're basically saying "Developers don't wanna go next-gen yet"... understandable, that just makes them LAME.kankthetank

SO what's on the Second disc that wasn't on the first?

blu ray is the better disc and its wining the format war . however HD dvd have a better line up .deadmeat59

Care to compare the line ups of thw two??

[QUOTE="kankthetank"][QUOTE="Soulxxx"]So you have to use two dvds now... you're ok with that?? Playing GTA5 for example, changing cities... you don't have a problem with swapping discs??

Plus, you're basically saying "Developers don't wanna go next-gen yet"... understandable, that just makes them LAME.Blinblingthing

SO what's on the Second disc that wasn't on the first?

PS3 is here to push blu-ray, sure it's nice, but it isn't needed. Whoever says otherwise is brainwashed by Sony.X360PS3AMD05

The same way you are brainwashed by Nintendo!

Forget movies, there's been a constant argument between fanboys alike over Blu Ray being needed. I agree that 50gb of space is great, but it isn't really needed to make good games. The Sega CD add-on used CDs (a much more efficent format with a lot more memory available), but it didn't stop the other consoles such as the SNES that used simple cartridges.

 

Anyhoo, here's a tech-demo for Bayou. It looks pretty awesome, I don't think anyone will deny that. But the ending may come as a shock to many.....

http://www.gametrailers.com/umwatcher.php?id=54175

 

MegaPigeon

Bluray maybe wont be needed now but it will be needed in the future for higher quality looking games and more capacity. This video still doesnt put anything against the ps3 tho because unreal engine 3 can also be used for ps3 games, so its a win win situation for the ps3, with the process looking ahead to the future, since the ps3 will be used for the next 10 years.

[QUOTE="MegaPigeon"][QUOTE="Soulxxx"]So you have to use two dvds now... you're ok with that?? Playing GTA5 for example, changing cities... you don't have a problem with swapping discs??

Plus, you're basically saying "Developers don't wanna go next-gen yet"... understandable, that just makes them LAME.Blinblingthing

I am pretty sure he's using this as an example, how about answering

[QUOTE="MegaPigeon"][QUOTE="Soulxxx"]So you have to use two dvds now... you're ok with that?? Playing GTA5 for example, changing cities... you don't have a problem with swapping discs??

Plus, you're basically saying "Developers don't wanna go next-gen yet"... understandable, that just makes them LAME.Blinblingthing

I am pretty sure he's using this as an example, how about answering

[QUOTE="MegaPigeon"][QUOTE="Soulxxx"]So you have to use two dvds now... you're ok with that?? Playing GTA5 for example, changing cities... you don't have a problem with swapping discs??

Plus, you're basically saying "Developers don't wanna go next-gen yet"... understandable, that just makes them LAME.Blinblingthing

I am pretty sure he's using this as an example, how about answering

blu ray is the better disc and its wining the format war . however HD dvd have a better line up .deadmeat59

Better lineup as in what movies? Because the last time I checked most of the movie studios have signed on to bluray with most of there movies coming out on bluray.

With linear storyline games such as Final Fantasy, MGS, etc, disk swapping doesn't matter. Hell, it actually gave me a goal to aim for when I played them all those years ago. As for open world games, yes, disk swapping would be annoying. But when there are games like Saint's Row, Crackdown, Oblivion,and Mass Effect that are all on one DVD, it's hardly as if theres a high chance of future open world games being on multiple disks. We've seen how efficient a game engine can be with the link I posted originally, and GTA4 is a far cry from Crysis, so I really doubt it'll be on multiple disks, especially with it's style of gameplay.MegaPigeon

[QUOTE="Blinblingthing"]

[QUOTE="MegaPigeon"][QUOTE="Soulxxx"]So you have to use two dvds now... you're ok with that?? Playing GTA5 for example, changing cities... you don't have a problem with swapping discs??

Plus, you're basically saying "Developers don't wanna go next-gen yet"... understandable, that just makes them LAME.MegaPigeon

I am pretty sure he's using this as an example, how about answering

[QUOTE="MegaPigeon"][QUOTE="Soulxxx"]So you have to use two dvds now... you're ok with that?? Playing GTA5 for example, changing cities... you don't have a problem with swapping discs??

Plus, you're basically saying "Developers don't wanna go next-gen yet"... understandable, that just makes them LAME.Blinblingthing

I am pretty sure he's using this as an example, how about answering

[QUOTE="MegaPigeon"][QUOTE="Soulxxx"]So you have to use two dvds now... you're ok with that?? Playing GTA5 for example, changing cities... you don't have a problem with swapping discs??

Plus, you're basically saying "Developers don't wanna go next-gen yet"... understandable, that just makes them LAME.Blinblingthing

I am pretty sure he's using this as an example, how about answering

Bluray maybe wont be needed now but it will be needed in the future for higher quality looking games and more capacity. This video still doesnt put anything against the ps3 tho because unreal engine 3 can also be used for ps3 games, so its a win win situation for the ps3, with the process looking ahead to the future, since the ps3 will be used for the next 10 years.

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[QUOTE="MegaPigeon"]With linear storyline games such as Final Fantasy, MGS, etc, disk swapping doesn't matter. Hell, it actually gave me a goal to aim for when I played them all those years ago. As for open world games, yes, disk swapping would be annoying. But when there are games like Saint's Row, Crackdown, Oblivion,and Mass Effect that are all on one DVD, it's hardly as if theres a high chance of future open world games being on multiple disks. We've seen how efficient a game engine can be with the link I posted originally, and GTA4 is a far cry from Crysis, so I really doubt it'll be on multiple disks, especially with it's style of gameplay.foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="deadmeat59"]blu ray is the better disc and its wining the format war . however HD dvd have a better line up .Blinblingthing

Care to compare the line ups of thw two??

Care to clarify your point with this thread, again??Soulxxx