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#1 iliatay
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ok when i get a new pc game, there is absolutely no way that i will play it without antialiasing, but when i played MGS4 on my ps3 yesterday, itt was driving me insane with all the jagged lines!!!!!! and dont get me started on 720p games on consoles!! doesnt it bother console gamers that there is no AA?

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#2 Arach666
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ok when i get a new pc game, there is absolutely no way that i will play it without antialiasing, but when i played MGS4 on my ps3 yesterday, itt was driving me insane with all the jagged lines!!!!!! and dont get me started on 720p games on consoles!! doesnt it bother console gamers that there is no AA?

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Ah,well,that´s why I love PC gaming.

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#3 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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Not at all. I play games, don't watch them.

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#4 DoomZaW
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i didn't find MGS4 to be very jaggy? :? you sure it isn't your tv?

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#5 RavenLoud
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With HDMI and a big TV + playing from the couch 20 feet away from TV it's not that bad. Sure it's noticeable but it doesn't ruin the experience.

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#6 legol1
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i dont care MGS4 have great graphics.
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#7 iliatay
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i dont care MGS4 have great graphics.legol1

actually it cant even compete with any pc ggame i have played in the past month. and im sure its not my tv but i got to say mgs4 was probably the most least noticable out of all ps3 games but killzone 2 demo is horrid! all the jagged lines make it look so... dirty and sloppy

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#8 agentfred
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MGS4 was moderately jaggy, but nothing I couldn't deal with. In general, I try my best to ignore things like that.

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#9 Brainkiller05
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It's something you get used to fast imo. I'm a PC gamer btw. Just like how GTAIV looks absolutely terrible, when I first put the game in I thought there was an error or maybe my TV or something then 20 minutes later I wasn't even noticing how disgusting it looks, then every now and again I'd notice and be confused :P

example:

Now and again someone will mention how bad it looks and people say "oh well that's just a bad screenshot", which isn't true... then they'll post a bullshot.

Look at the road 10ft away, the anisotropic filtering is so low buildings and roads look unloaded

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#10 iliatay
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i honestly think that console developers should tone down the settings a bit and enable some anti aliasing cuz really, it makes things look so good!

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#11 iliatay
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It's something you get used to fast imo. I'm a PC gamer btw. Just like how GTAIV looks absolutely terrible, when I first put the game in I thought there was an error or maybe my TV or something then 20 minutes later I wasn't even noticing how disgusting it looks, then every now and again I'd notice and be confused :P

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i couldnt get used to it, so i used the enb series mod to enable AA

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#12 Brainkiller05
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[QUOTE="Brainkiller05"]

It's something you get used to fast imo. I'm a PC gamer btw. Just like how GTAIV looks absolutely terrible, when I first put the game in I thought there was an error or maybe my TV or something then 20 minutes later I wasn't even noticing how disgusting it looks, then every now and again I'd notice and be confused :P

iliatay

i couldnt get used to it, so i used the enb series mod to enable AA

I tried enb but that was a while ago and it wasn't working properly, it would enable AA but it would put all other settings to lowest also i was talking about it looking terrible on console, but ya PC looks pretty bad too.
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#13 shadow_hosi
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AA is great and all, but if it bothers you so much that you cant play games without it. your better off just watching movies
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#14 Salt_The_Fries
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GTA IV has horrible shading...BTW, I didn't mind the lack of AA in Halo 3 nor ODST...somehow...
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#15 Brainkiller05
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Also a lot of console games run @ 2xaa but it still looks terrible because often the games aren't even 720p... and even when they are 2xaa and 720p is still going to be jaggy.
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#16 iliatay
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AA is great and all, but if it bothers you so much that you cant play games without it. your better off just watching moviesshadow_hosi

OR.... play pc cuz consoles graphics r getting dated

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#17 Brainkiller05
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It's a case of you don't know what you've got until it's gone... or you don't know what you're missing out on until you experience it, plus the fact they have no choice :P
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#18 windsquid9000
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[QUOTE="shadow_hosi"]AA is great and all, but if it bothers you so much that you cant play games without it. your better off just watching moviesiliatay

OR.... play pc cuz consoles graphics r getting dated

All games at 1080p~1200p with 8x~16x AA FTW!!!:twisted:

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#19 locopatho
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It's very rare I notice aliasing on the 360. I know it's there not trying to deny technology lol, but it's never been an issue for me.
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#20 mitu123
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Maybe this list of games with AA would help you.

Half the games this gen have 2xAA or no AA, some have 4xAA, and different types like MSAA and Quincunx AA but games this gen don't go beyond 4xAA.

I'm ok with it though, unless multiplats don't get it equally.

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#21 Salt_The_Fries
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I'm ok with it though, unless multiplats don't get it equally.mitu123
Resident Evil 5 didn't  .
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#22 shadow_hosi
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[QUOTE="shadow_hosi"]AA is great and all, but if it bothers you so much that you cant play games without it. your better off just watching moviesiliatay

OR.... play pc cuz consoles graphics r getting dated

not really, aside from crysis most games are on par with console games. sure they are slightly better most of the time, but not by enough to really claim any kind of ownage. UC2 was one of the best looking games to come out last year, the PC really didn't have anything to compete with it. the PCs biggest strenght is the variety you have in game choices. graphics are an advantage, but that is only because you can upgrade them. my point is, that AA is by no means nessisary to enjoy a game. and i would much rather play a game that is fun to play, than one that is all flash.
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#23 lowe0
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[QUOTE="shadow_hosi"]AA is great and all, but if it bothers you so much that you cant play games without it. your better off just watching moviesiliatay

OR.... play pc cuz consoles graphics r getting dated

If those "dated" graphics bothered us, wouldn't we already have switched to PC? It's not like we consolites can't find a Fry's....
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#24 windsquid9000
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

Maybe this list of games with AA would help you.

Half the games this gen have 2xAA or no AA, some have 4xAA, and different types like MSAA and Quincunx AA but games this gen don't go beyond 4xAA.

I'm ok with it though, unless multiplats don't get it equally.

I'm never complaining about my PC's performance again... :|
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#25 GTSaiyanjin2
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ok when i get a new pc game, there is absolutely no way that i will play it without antialiasing, but when i played MGS4 on my ps3 yesterday, itt was driving me insane with all the jagged lines!!!!!! and dont get me started on 720p games on consoles!! doesnt it bother console gamers that there is no AA?

iliatay

What type of TV are you playing the game on ? I never noticed any antialising problem with MGS4. Most of the time a good HDTV will enhance the picture quality.

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#26 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"] I'm ok with it though, unless multiplats don't get it equally.Salt_The_Fries
Resident Evil 5 didn't  .

And a lot of multiplats on the PS3, many don't have AA, but nearly all the exclusives do, nah, I'm not getting into the exclusive thing.:P

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#27 MGS4_GOAT
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MGS4 doesn't have jaggies, atleast very few, the shadows have many though. In almost a decade of pc gaming there's only been 5-6 PC games that gave me the 'WOW-factor' and all of them were last gen, except crysis. Compared to several games on my ps3 that gave me wow factor.
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#28 iliatay
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[QUOTE="iliatay"]

[QUOTE="shadow_hosi"]AA is great and all, but if it bothers you so much that you cant play games without it. your better off just watching moviesshadow_hosi

OR.... play pc cuz consoles graphics r getting dated

not really, aside from crysis most games are on par with console games. sure they are slightly better most of the time, but not by enough to really claim any kind of ownage. UC2 was one of the best looking games to come out last year, the PC really didn't have anything to compete with it. the PCs biggest strenght is the variety you have in game choices. graphics are an advantage, but that is only because you can upgrade them. my point is, that AA is by no means nessisary to enjoy a game. and i would much rather play a game that is fun to play, than one that is all flash.

Honestly have u seen a game with amazing graphics that is actually a horrible game? i take it u dont play pc cuz the differnces in some multiplats are vast and on exclusives, well u cant even come close to pc.

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#29 iliatay
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MGS4 doesn't have jaggies, atleast very few, the shadows have many though. In almost a decade of pc gaming there's only been 5-6 PC games that gave me the 'WOW-factor' and all of them were last gen, except crysis. Compared to several games on my ps3 that gave me wow factor.MGS4_GOAT
lolll all multiplats look best on pc and i have never gotten a "WOW" factor evr on a console.

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#30 Teuf_
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Well a lot of games do use MSAA, it's just usually 2x. The nice thing about consoles though is that you usually play pretty far from your TV, and that gives you the "natural" anti-aliasing effect. :P

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#31 GhoX
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Edge-detection AA is the beast. A x4 or x8 translates into x12 and x24!
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#32 sayonara89
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[QUOTE="legol1"]i dont care MGS4 have great graphics.iliatay

actually it cant even compete with any pc ggame i have played in the past month. and im sure its not my tv but i got to say mgs4 was probably the most least noticable out of all ps3 games but killzone 2 demo is horrid! all the jagged lines make it look so... dirty and sloppy

Dont tell that you're using composite cable or/and SD screen. Killzone 2 have very nice QAAx2 (smooth jaggies like MSAAx4), MGS4 temporal AAx2 (strange technique but looks good).

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#33 Merex760
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If theres any improvements to next gen consoles, I'd like to see 16x AA. Lack of AA is easily my biggest gripe with console gaming. I'll rebuy titles on PC just to replay them without the jaggy edges.

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#34 shadow_hosi
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[QUOTE="shadow_hosi"][QUOTE="iliatay"]

OR.... play pc cuz consoles graphics r getting dated

iliatay

not really, aside from crysis most games are on par with console games. sure they are slightly better most of the time, but not by enough to really claim any kind of ownage. UC2 was one of the best looking games to come out last year, the PC really didn't have anything to compete with it. the PCs biggest strenght is the variety you have in game choices. graphics are an advantage, but that is only because you can upgrade them. my point is, that AA is by no means nessisary to enjoy a game. and i would much rather play a game that is fun to play, than one that is all flash.

Honestly have u seen a game with amazing graphics that is actually a horrible game? i take it u dont play pc cuz the differnces in some multiplats are vast and on exclusives, well u cant even come close to pc.

quite a few infact, Stalker for one is aweful untill you get enough mods to fix everything. Demigod, while great looking. is still plagued with problems that the patches have done little if anything to actually fix them whats that one that came out for the consoles that looked great but sucked? too human i think it was? anyway, theres alot of great looking games that are only great looking and aweful to play
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#35 deactivated-5ac102a4472fe
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oh aa aint that big of a problem is it? when I do switch on the old fat black brick, the last thing I check for is aa O.o

so doessnt bother me that much ^^

I mean you can see what it is supposed to be on the screen, and plays just fine aswell... As long as the games are good aa is a very minor thing indeed :P

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#36 mo0ksi
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It's something you get used to fast imo. I'm a PC gamer btw. Just like how GTAIV looks absolutely terrible, when I first put the game in I thought there was an error or maybe my TV or something then 20 minutes later I wasn't even noticing how disgusting it looks, then every now and again I'd notice and be confused :P

example:

Now and again someone will mention how bad it looks and people say "oh well that's just a bad screenshot", which isn't true... then they'll post a bullshot.

Look at the road 10ft away, the anisotropic filtering is so low buildings and roads look unloaded

Brainkiller05

To be honest, it does seem like a bad screenshot. GTA 4 does look pretty ugly at times i'll admit, but there are moments in when it looks incredible like during sunset or a night time storm.

The game could seriously use an AA option though.

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#37 VendettaRed07
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I wanna know when the heck someone else is going to use that AA technique that Pandemic discovered on the ps3

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#38 Hanass
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With HDMI and a big TV + playing from the couch 20 feet away from TV it's not that bad. Sure it's noticeable but it doesn't ruin the experience.

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20 feet? Is your house a hangar?

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#39 GTR2addict
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And that is why i enjoy playing on my PC @ 1680x1050 with 4XAA or more.
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#40 X360PS3AMD05
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Frame rates give me a headache after a while too,.
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#41 deactivated-5cf4b2c19c4ab
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Im with you TC, i have to have AA in my games, even in crysis i turned down some other setting so i could have my 8x AA. i hate jaggys with a passion.
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#42 2mrw
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i agree, MGS4 is one of those games that need AA desperatly, but the overall presentation is just so awesome that you won't care that much, play it on 1080 and this issue will be less noticable.

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#43 MC3887
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Im with you TC, i have to have AA in my games, even in crysis i turned down some other setting so i could have my 8x AA. i hate jaggys with a passion.ferret-gamer
You really need 8XAA?
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[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]Im with you TC, i have to have AA in my games, even in crysis i turned down some other setting so i could have my 8x AA. i hate jaggys with a passion.MC3887
You really need 8XAA?

i will sometime go with 4x, but i prefer 8x,or on some games 16x
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#45 mitu123
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[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]Im with you TC, i have to have AA in my games, even in crysis i turned down some other setting so i could have my 8x AA. i hate jaggys with a passion.MC3887
You really need 8XAA?

I use 8xAA for a lot of my games and games I even create on my own, and there's far less jaggies than the other settings, 16x+ is still better though, assuming you can run it.:P

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#46 MC3887
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[QUOTE="MC3887"][QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]Im with you TC, i have to have AA in my games, even in crysis i turned down some other setting so i could have my 8x AA. i hate jaggys with a passion.mitu123

You really need 8XAA?

I use 8xAA for a lot of my games and games I even create on my own, and there's far less jaggies than the other settings, 16x+ is still better though, assuming you can run it.:P

4X and up is fine for me lol.
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#47 Teuf_
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I wanna know when the heck someone else is going to use that AA technique that Pandemic discovered on the ps3

VendettaRed07



Their technique works really nice for screenshots, but so much in motion since it doesn't really help with the "crawling edges" stuff.

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#48 delta3074
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i don't notice any jaggies on my 360, but that's probably cos i play it on a 15" SDTV, my screen is too small too see any jaggies on,lol
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i'm a pc gamer and i never play with AA. The only game i play with AA Half-life 2.

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#50 MC3887
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i don't notice any jaggies on my 360, but that's probably cos i play it on a 15" SDTV, my screen is too small too see any jaggies on,loldelta3074
lol, I went to HD recently and Halo 3 looks worse for me(I see sooo much aliasing), might be the upscaling because I set my xbox to 1080p.