Any one who thinks Bioware has "fallen" is utterly clueless.

Let's see, I've played Knights of the Old Republic, Jade Empire, Mass Effect, Dragon Age: Origins and Massively Defective 2: The Terrible Sequel to a Great Game.

I wouldn't touch Dragon Age II with a ten-foot long pole.

And you know what, I don't appreciate being called clueless, so STFU.

Just because you defend them does not make them better developers. The media can look at them however they want, we don't really care. We've played the games and our judgments are set in stone, I know mine are.DragonfireXZ95

This made me laugh. The media's judgements are just as valid as yours. :P

I personally feel that they are just as good as they were before. Yes, they made one game that wasn't up to scruff and normal Bioware level (Dragon Age 2) but Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age Origins were both amazing games. So out of their 3 last major releases, they have made 2 AMAZING games and 1 sub-pargame.

I guess that means they are a bad studio right? :roll:

Let's see, I've played Knights of the Old Republic, Jade Empire, Mass Effect, Dragon Age: Origins and Massively Defective 2: The Terrible Sequel to a Great Game.

I wouldn't touch Dragon Age II with a ten-foot long pole.

And you know what, I don't appreciate being called clueless, so STFU.

NeonNinja

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]Just because you defend them does not make them better developers. The media can look at them however they want, we don't really care. We've played the games and our judgments are set in stone, I know mine are.killa4lyfe

This made me laugh. The media's judgements are just as valid as yours. :P

I personally feel that they are just as good as they were before. Yes, they made one game that wasn't up to scruff and normal Bioware level (Dragon Age 2) but Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age Origins were both amazing games. So out of their 3 last major releases, they have made 2 AMAZING games and 1 sub-pargame.

I guess that means they are a bad studio right? :roll:

No, they made 1 good game(DA:O), 1 above average game(ME2) and 1 mediocre game(DA2).

When did I ever say they were a bad studio?

[QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

Let's see, I've played Knights of the Old Republic, Jade Empire, Mass Effect, Dragon Age: Origins and Massively Defective 2: The Terrible Sequel to a Great Game.

I wouldn't touch Dragon Age II with a ten-foot long pole.

And you know what, I don't appreciate being called clueless, so STFU.

texasgoldrush

Hint- I hate the game so your metascores mean this to me:

[QUOTE="killa4lyfe"]

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]Just because you defend them does not make them better developers. The media can look at them however they want, we don't really care. We've played the games and our judgments are set in stone, I know mine are.DragonfireXZ95

This made me laugh. The media's judgements are just as valid as yours. :P

I personally feel that they are just as good as they were before. Yes, they made one game that wasn't up to scruff and normal Bioware level (Dragon Age 2) but Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age Origins were both amazing games. So out of their 3 last major releases, they have made 2 AMAZING games and 1 sub-pargame.

I guess that means they are a bad studio right? :roll:

No, they made 1 good game(DA:O), 1 above average game(ME2) and 1 mediocre game(DA2).

When did I ever say they were a bad studio?

Sorry. My bad, kind of jumped the gun on that one. :oops:

Let's see, I've played Knights of the Old Republic, Jade Empire, Mass Effect, Dragon Age: Origins and Massively Defective 2: The Terrible Sequel to a Great Game.

I wouldn't touch Dragon Age II with a ten-foot long pole.

And you know what, I don't appreciate being called clueless, so STFU.

NeonNinja

Can you explain why you felt that Mass Effect 2 was a terrible game?

I am curious :)

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="NeonNinja"]Let's see, I've played Knights of the Old Republic, Jade Empire, Mass Effect, Dragon Age: Origins and Massively Defective 2: The Terrible Sequel to a Great Game. I wouldn't touch Dragon Age II with a ten-foot long pole. And you know what, I don't appreciate being called clueless, so STFU.NeonNinja

Well good for you......... You not liking the game however does not make all their awards go away, or change the fact that the studio objectively is not "falling".

The problem with Mass Effect is that it's not an RPG in the traditional sense. Which is why RPG purists hate it. They fail to understand that it's a different approach than those traditional games. Mass Effect is hands down one of the best IPs this gen. But I, even as a very big BioWare fan, will admit that Dragon Age II was rather mediocre.

Dragon Age 2 is like taking a girl on an elaborate date. You plan out where you're going and what you're going to wear. You learn her interest. You spring for a limo then you have a good time out dancing. Then when you get her home she asks you inside, you oblige, follow, and blink. Next thing you know you're outside naked holding your own clothes in a pile and wondering what happened. Then you turn around only to see her slam the door shut. That is what Dragon Age 2 is like. some persons sig that I copied this from

The problem with Mass Effect is that it's not an RPG in the traditional sense. Which is why RPG purists hate it. They fail to understand that it's a different approach than those traditional games. Mass Effect is hands down one of the best IPs this gen. But I, even as a very big BioWare fan, will admit that Dragon Age II was rather mediocre. [quote="some persons sig that I copied this from"]Dragon Age 2 is like taking a girl on an elaborate date. You plan out where you're going and what you're going to wear. You learn her interest. You spring for a limo then you have a good time out dancing. Then when you get her home she asks you inside, you oblige, follow, and blink. Next thing you know you're outside naked holding your own clothes in a pile and wondering what happened. Then you turn around only to see her slam the door shut. That is what Dragon Age 2 is like. starjet905

[QUOTE="NeonNinja"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="NeonNinja"]Let's see, I've played Knights of the Old Republic, Jade Empire, Mass Effect, Dragon Age: Origins and Massively Defective 2: The Terrible Sequel to a Great Game. I wouldn't touch Dragon Age II with a ten-foot long pole. And you know what, I don't appreciate being called clueless, so STFU.texasgoldrush

Well good for you......... You not liking the game however does not make all their awards go away, or change the fact that the studio objectively is not "falling".

What do your awards and scores have to do with anything?

BioWare have changed to streamline and simplify their games from what they were. Mass Effect 2 is the Modern Warfare 2 of RPGs. Call of Duty has similar metascores, I still hate it. Why? I play it and its filled with cheesy characters, shallow action, stripped down RPG elements, boring level design and piss-poor enemy AI. It fails as a shooter. It fails as an RPG. It fails as a story-based game. The Call of Duty generation thinks Mass Effect 2 is a good game. And guess what? The people that hate Call of Duty are that same vocal minority.

[QUOTE="starjet905"]

The problem with Mass Effect is that it's not an RPG in the traditional sense. Which is why RPG purists hate it. They fail to understand that it's a different approach than those traditional games. Mass Effect is hands down one of the best IPs this gen. But I, even as a very big BioWare fan, will admit that Dragon Age II was rather mediocre. [quote="some persons sig that I copied this from"]Dragon Age 2 is like taking a girl on an elaborate date. You plan out where you're going and what you're going to wear. You learn her interest. You spring for a limo then you have a good time out dancing. Then when you get her home she asks you inside, you oblige, follow, and blink. Next thing you know you're outside naked holding your own clothes in a pile and wondering what happened. Then you turn around only to see her slam the door shut. That is what Dragon Age 2 is like. texasgoldrush

Dragon Age: Origins > Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic (which I'm replaying), Jade Empire, Mass Effect and the sequel that shall not be named.

Bioware kinda bores me. KOTOR 2 was a wreck, KOTOR in China was a wreck, KOTOR in Middle Earth was a wreck, and Mass Effect is boring.RandoIph

KotOR 2 was Obsidian.

FFXIII metacrtic - 83 ... Must be a pretty good game. :o

Bioware kinda bores me. KOTOR 2 was a wreck, KOTOR in China was a wreck, KOTOR in Middle Earth was a wreck, and Mass Effect is boring.RandoIph

IMHO, their series have gotten progressively worse from both RPG and storytelling elements. Baldur's Gate>NWN>KotOR>Dragon Age>Mass Effect ^pretty close timeline from beginning to end. Jade empire isn't even worth listing.senses_fail_06

For a while, Jade Empire was my least favorite of their games. Then I played Mass Effect 2, of course. So yeah, now Mass Effect 2 is my least favorite. I imagine that would be different if I played Dragon Age II... which I refuse to.

Bioware kinda bores me. KOTOR 2 was a wreck, KOTOR in China was a wreck, KOTOR in Middle Earth was a wreck, and Mass Effect is boring.RandoIph

FFVII - 92 ... "universal acclaim." :o

[QUOTE="senses_fail_06"]IMHO, their series have gotten progressively worse from both RPG and storytelling elements. Baldur's Gate>NWN>KotOR>Dragon Age>Mass Effect ^pretty close timeline from beginning to end. Jade empire isn't even worth listing.NeonNinja

For a while, Jade Empire was my least favorite of their games. Then I played Mass Effect 2, of course. So yeah, now Mass Effect 2 is my least favorite. I imagine that would be different if I played Dragon Age II... which I refuse to.

[QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

[QUOTE="senses_fail_06"]IMHO, their series have gotten progressively worse from both RPG and storytelling elements. Baldur's Gate>NWN>KotOR>Dragon Age>Mass Effect ^pretty close timeline from beginning to end. Jade empire isn't even worth listing.senses_fail_06

For a while, Jade Empire was my least favorite of their games. Then I played Mass Effect 2, of course. So yeah, now Mass Effect 2 is my least favorite. I imagine that would be different if I played Dragon Age II... which I refuse to.

That's sound advice, man.

one only needs to glance at dragon age II. if you think they have not fallen then you are utterly cluelessFirebird-5

What's hilarious is that prior to Dragon Age II's release, BioWare was bagging on Final Fantasy XIII and saying it's not an RPG. Oh how the mighty have fallen.

Gimme a new CD Projekt Red game. BioWare's done.

one only needs to glance at dragon age II. if you think they have not fallen then you are utterly cluelessFirebird-5

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"]one only needs to glance at dragon age II. if you think they have not fallen then you are utterly cluelessNeonNinja

What's hilarious is that prior to Dragon Age II's release, BioWare was bagging on Final Fantasy XIII and saying it's not an RPG. Oh how the mighty have fallen.

Gimme a new CD Projekt Red game. BioWare's done.

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"]one only needs to glance at dragon age II. if you think they have not fallen then you are utterly cluelessNeonNinja

What's hilarious is that prior to Dragon Age II's release, BioWare was bagging on Final Fantasy XIII and saying it's not an RPG. Oh how the mighty have fallen.

Gimme a new CD Projekt Red game. BioWare's done.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="NeonNinja"] Mass Effect 2 94-96 Metacritic Mass Effect 1 88-91 Metacritic Yeah, such a terrible sequel... Hint: The people who think that ME2 is better than ME1, they are the silent majority...its only the minority that is vocal.NeonNinja

Well good for you......... You not liking the game however does not make all their awards go away, or change the fact that the studio objectively is not "falling".

[QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"]one only needs to glance at dragon age II. if you think they have not fallen then you are utterly cluelessFirebird-5

What's hilarious is that prior to Dragon Age II's release, BioWare was bagging on Final Fantasy XIII and saying it's not an RPG. Oh how the mighty have fallen.

Gimme a new CD Projekt Red game. BioWare's done.

[QUOTE="starjet905"]

The problem with Mass Effect is that it's not an RPG in the traditional sense. Which is why RPG purists hate it. They fail to understand that it's a different approach than those traditional games. Mass Effect is hands down one of the best IPs this gen. But I, even as a very big BioWare fan, will admit that Dragon Age II was rather mediocre. [quote="some persons sig that I copied this from"]Dragon Age 2 is like taking a girl on an elaborate date. You plan out where you're going and what you're going to wear. You learn her interest. You spring for a limo then you have a good time out dancing. Then when you get her home she asks you inside, you oblige, follow, and blink. Next thing you know you're outside naked holding your own clothes in a pile and wondering what happened. Then you turn around only to see her slam the door shut. That is what Dragon Age 2 is like. texasgoldrush

Thereis your problem, you wan t the same game over and over and over again. Bioware did not want to make a second "Origins".texasgoldrush

If they didn't want to make another good game, then that pretty much proves they've fallen.

Oh, and Mass Effect is terribly boring.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="starjet905"]

The problem with Mass Effect is that it's not an RPG in the traditional sense. Which is why RPG purists hate it. They fail to understand that it's a different approach than those traditional games. Mass Effect is hands down one of the best IPs this gen. But I, even as a very big BioWare fan, will admit that Dragon Age II was rather mediocre. [quote="some persons sig that I copied this from"]Dragon Age 2 is like taking a girl on an elaborate date. You plan out where you're going and what you're going to wear. You learn her interest. You spring for a limo then you have a good time out dancing. Then when you get her home she asks you inside, you oblige, follow, and blink. Next thing you know you're outside naked holding your own clothes in a pile and wondering what happened. Then you turn around only to see her slam the door shut. That is what Dragon Age 2 is like. starjet905

Seriously....lets see. Their primary series, the Mass Effect series, is one of, if not the most critically acclaimed new franchise this gen and they have released the biggest MMO since World of Warcraft. That alone makes the idea that they have "fallen" completely baseless. texasgoldrush

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]Seriously....lets see. Their primary series, the Mass Effect series, is one of, if not the most critically acclaimed new franchise this gen and they have released the biggest MMO since World of Warcraft. That alone makes the idea that they have "fallen" completely baseless. nintendoboy16

FFVII - 92 ... "universal acclaim." :o

hakanakumono

face it, bioware has fallenFirebird-5

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"] face it, bioware has fallenkhoofia_pika

[QUOTE="khoofia_pika"]

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"] face it, bioware has fallenFirebird-5

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]Seriously....lets see. Their primary series, the Mass Effect series, is one of, if not the most critically acclaimed new franchise this gen and they have released the biggest MMO since World of Warcraft. That alone makes the idea that they have "fallen" completely baseless. texasgoldrush