Anybody else a little upset the PSV seems to be failing?

[QUOTE="PillyChickle"]

It's all about the games. 3DS stomps all over the Vita while being cheaper at the same time.

FlamesOfGrey

So are what people saying is that there is only room for one real handheld per generation?

[QUOTE="PillyChickle"]

It's all about the games. 3DS stomps all over the Vita while being cheaper at the same time.

So are what people saying is that there is only room for one real handheld per generation?

Heirren

Well see here's the thing I have both systems and which system has the more features,better battery life and online isn't opinion it's fact. From what I've experience with both up to this point that is the PS Vita. Nintendo could release more features for the 3DS and improve the online to be as good as the Vita's but right now it is whatit is. As far as games, saying something "stomps" something when one you have no experience with any of the games quality that you're talking about is ridiculous. Not being interested in something is one thing going beyond that is another.FlamesOfGrey

I know the Vita has more features and chances are it always will but the 3DS can and has improved. I never said the games on the 3DS stomps the Vita but you did say no games for the 3DS no? or was that about something else?

So are what people saying is that there is only room for one real handheld per generation?

Heirren

Nope, PSV is not a suitable system for the mass market, for many reasons.What you and I think is good value doesn't mean much.

I deliberately make a good case for PSV when the discussion is brought up in real life and usually the response is: but it doesn't do 3D right?

We are just beating a dead horse. We knew since E3 2010 that if Sony announced a successor to PSP that is similar to how Vita is now, it would fail no matter what to make a dent in Nintendo's sales, but MH would save the system. E3 2011 reaffirmed us that Sony hasn't learned.

Look where we are today. Don't mistaken this for Nintendo fanboyish drivel.

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

So are what people saying is that there is only room for one real handheld per generation?

FlamesOfGrey

I suppose "prominent" would be a better word. I understand the psp is more popular in europe and japan, as opposed to the States(where I am at), but one glance at ANY retail store here shows that the psp is a second thought. The shelf space it gets is tear inducing. This has been consistent with just about every portable released, as well.

[QUOTE="FlamesOfGrey"] Well see here's the thing I have both systems and which system has the more features,better battery life and online isn't opinion it's fact. From what I've experience with both up to this point that is the PS Vita. Nintendo could release more features for the 3DS and improve the online to be as good as the Vita's but right now it is whatit is. As far as games, saying something "stomps" something when one you have no experience with any of the games quality that you're talking about is ridiculous. Not being interested in something is one thing going beyond that is another.ShuichiChamp24

I know the Vita has more features and chances are it always will but the 3DS can and has improved. I never said the games on the 3DS stomps the Vita but you did say no games for the 3DS no? or was that about something else?

[QUOTE="FlamesOfGrey"][QUOTE="Heirren"]

So are what people saying is that there is only room for one real handheld per generation?

Heirren

I suppose "prominent" would be a better word. I understand the psp is more popular in europe and japan, as opposed to the States(where I am at), but one glance at ANY retail store here shows that the psp is a second thought. The shelf space it gets is tear inducing. This has been consistent with just about every portable released, as well.

Here (mid-tier EU country) they stopped selling PSP products altogether in the big online electronic/game sites awhile ago and I saw some games like God of War and MGS for the equivalent of $15-$20. They are also pushing down the Vita price as far as they can, equivalent would be something like $235.

[QUOTE="FlamesOfGrey"][QUOTE="Heirren"]

So are what people saying is that there is only room for one real handheld per generation?

I suppose "prominent" would be a better word. I understand the psp is more popular in europe and japan, as opposed to the States(where I am at), but one glance at ANY retail store here shows that the psp is a second thought. The shelf space it gets is tear inducing. This has been consistent with just about every portable released, as well.

it's failing not because of the price of the hardware but of the price of the games.

seriously, $40-$50 a game?? Sony needs to wake up. no one is crazy enough to buy handheld games at that price, if you can just buy $0.99 games and caan still give you the same enjoyment. i'd price Vita games $14.99 maximum, standard games should be priced at the $4.99-$9.99 range.

people are willing to spend $250 one time on a gadget but then they'll see that to get 3 new games to play they'd have to spden another $120-$150? come on.

it's failing not because of the price of the hardware but of the price of the games.

seriously, $40-$50 a game?? Sony needs to wake up. no one is crazy enough to buy handheld games at that price, if you can just buy $0.99 games and caan still give you the same enjoyment. i'd price Vita games $14.99 maximum, standard games should be priced at the $4.99-$9.99 range.

people are willing to spend $250 one time on a gadget but then they'll see that to get 3 new games to play they'd have to spden another $120-$150? come on.

it's failing not because of the price of the hardware but of the price of the games.

seriously, $40-$50 a game?? Sony needs to wake up. no one is crazy enough to buy handheld games at that price, if you can just buy $0.99 games and caan still give you the same enjoyment. i'd price Vita games $14.99 maximum, standard games should be priced at the $4.99-$9.99 range.

people are willing to spend $250 one time on a gadget but then they'll see that to get 3 new games to play they'd have to spden another $120-$150? come on.

rumbalumba

Uncharted starting at the top end of $50 is not good though, I agree.

Yeah they did the same thing with the PSP(s). Putting out watered down console games on them isn't a great move.chaoz-king

Im loving mine, its so much bigger then the PSP and fits perfect in my hands, no more cramping from when I used to use my PSP-1000. Been playing all sorts of demos on the PSN and surfing on the web while on the toilet, just waiting for my copy of sumi oni to get delivered next month!

Not at all

People are just jumping the gun on Vita

I am hyped for it

I think it will be a smash hit in the USA without a doubt

I want it to fail

because I don't want to have to buy one if a canon Metal Gear game or something comes out, haha.

I'm reading the tech analysis of Uncharted Golden Abyss, over at Eurogamer, and one can't help but think that Sony really did create the ultimate handheld system. A system with great potential--psx, ps2, psv, psn game playback. With the rise of indie developers and buying games through an "app" store of sorts, it is actually rather odd that it didn't fly off shelves.

Anybody have any ideas/thoughts as to why there isn't any hype/excitment for this thing? I know the phone/tablet market is eating a bit of the pie, but don't the real techies love a good, powerful, multifunction gaming handheld?

Heirren

It has zero games now or in near future that interest me

Maybe many years later

The funny thing is that i was about to get a PSP for Type-0 and Grand Knight Story and they came up with a new system, their timing is really laughable imo

Vita should come in 3-4 years imo with some huge RPGs at launch, that is all

Also not beeing compatible with PSP is really stupid imo

Right now i only consider a 3DS, where i can get all DS games i have missed all those years and new RPGs like Bravely Default and the new Zeldas of course, OOT too etc

3DS is like a million miles ahead in software than Vita

Its not failing its struggling give it time people were saying DS is dead for over 6 months after launch and now look how well its selling all what thy need is more game + a killer game or a price cut.

Let's wait when these are released before we label it anything -

@nitekids2004: you are showing us some amazing looking games but you are forgetting that in the handheld market, graphics are not the most important thing. Those games won't change things at all. Price is the key. Just look back at the past in order to see the future. Gameboy vs gamegear. Ds vs psp. And now 3ds vs vita. In the handheld market cheaper prices = more sales. Now if you look at the iphone and those tablets you will find games with equal or better graphics than what you are showing us with those photos. My point is sony is fighting a losing battle in the handheld market. A market that's mostly geared towards children and casuals. Amin_and_Azizah

I'm not showing amazing looking games. In fact, these looks averagewith the PSVita.

I'm showing games which appeal to Japanese gamers - an Action RPG, JRPG and a Gundam Vs Sequel.

I'm not sure about the NA/EU market but I'm inclined to say that Sony's First Party lineup is geared more towards the western audience.

For reference:
Uncharted
Resistance
Killzone
God of War
Twisted Metal
LBP
Wipeout
Modnation
Gran Turismo
ICO/Shadow of Colossus

I'm not upset but i really thought it could succeed.

it's failing not because of the price of the hardware but of the price of the games.

seriously, $40-$50 a game?? Sony needs to wake up. no one is crazy enough to buy handheld games at that price, if you can just buy $0.99 games and caan still give you the same enjoyment. i'd price Vita games $14.99 maximum, standard games should be priced at the $4.99-$9.99 range.

people are willing to spend $250 one time on a gadget but then they'll see that to get 3 new games to play they'd have to spden another $120-$150? come on.

rumbalumba

I'm reading the tech analysis of Uncharted Golden Abyss, over at Eurogamer, and one can't help but think that Sony really did create the ultimate handheld system. A system with great potential--psx, ps2, psv, psn game playback. With the rise of indie developers and buying games through an "app" store of sorts, it is actually rather odd that it didn't fly off shelves.

Anybody have any ideas/thoughts as to why there isn't any hype/excitment for this thing? I know the phone/tablet market is eating a bit of the pie, but don't the real techies love a good, powerful, multifunction gaming handheld?

Heirren

I don't think it's an 'ultimate' handheld. The Vita seems more like a console on the go, and that's fine for some people -- there's a market for it, the PSP proved that. I want more out of my handhelds though, I want games that can't really be replicated elsewhere on my handheld, the 3DS is more of that than the Vita (so far).

The pricing of the Vita is pretty steep to for a handheld, you might not think $249.99 as being that expensive but it's definitely not mass market friendly. People will still buy it at that price, but only the most dedicated fans.

Sony also does not have one piece of software that's as big of a seller as Mario, Mario Kart or Pokemon -- and now the 3DS even has Monster Hunter in Japan. Sony has a large uphill battle to deal with and largely it's their own fault -- high price, arrogance that power will sell the device, releasing it a year after the 3DS, releasing it post holiday season outside of Japan, releasing with proprietary storage, etc.

In all honesty I see a Vita and I just see the same PSP without fixing any of the mistakes besides the second analog stick. That'll be fine for some people -- not me.

So no, I'm not really upset ... because this is Sony's own fault. I'd like to see it succeed, because competition is a good thing -- but Sony has no idea what they're doing, and haven't had any idea for years.

I'm upset because yet again it is a powerful handheld with no decent games and a bunch of ports. 3ds appeals to me back because if the games.? Even though 3ds didn't have stellar launch titles we knew E Nintendo was going to deliver solid titles a few months after. I cannot say the same for vita. I'm still getting it but I hope my 250 isn't a waste.helwa1988

I mean yeah it sucks that it's not selling better, but kinda hard to say you didnt see it coming. Mobile gaming on cell phones/ipods/tablets has proved to take up a significant chunk of the market making it harder for both Nintendo and Sony. If I were Sony I would lower the pricing on the memory cards and maybe try to include one with the system.

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

I'm reading the tech analysis of Uncharted Golden Abyss, over at Eurogamer, and one can't help but think that Sony really did create the ultimate handheld system. A system with great potential--psx, ps2, psv, psn game playback. With the rise of indie developers and buying games through an "app" store of sorts, it is actually rather odd that it didn't fly off shelves.

Anybody have any ideas/thoughts as to why there isn't any hype/excitment for this thing? I know the phone/tablet market is eating a bit of the pie, but don't the real techies love a good, powerful, multifunction gaming handheld?

amaneuvering

I own a 3DS, but I'm going to agree as well, as I'm looking to get a taplet of sorts. For me I'd much rather have something that can play games, use the net, and organize and such. I think this is the inevitable future. If you look at what market the psp is after--middleschool/high school--people that actually do gather and "hang out"...but it seems that perhaps videogames just don't fit in with this scenerio anymore. This was huge in japan, but it seems this crowd is fine with just a smart phone/tablet.

*pardon my grammar as I'm still on a coffee.