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#251 TheEroica  Moderator
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[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="Heil68"] We shall debate this on our podcast this Wednesday with GREAT VIGOR.

Wednesday! Yes! Lets do this.... "bone of contention" with heil and theEroica... i absolutely think we should round table debate about aspects of gaming AND include the special guests to take part, even if that means an off balance of points of view.

We need to have a guest commit too, wonder if MiketheButtHurt would join us?

Mike vs. Kuraimen aaaannnnnnd FIGHT!
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no games.

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#253 TheEroica  Moderator
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[QUOTE="Miketheman83"]

It's impossible to "own" somebody who's argument is based on the truth, especially when that truth is backed up with evidence.

Its a really good feeling, one that Sony fans have never experienced. You should try it sometime. Using logic and truth in your arguments Is a liberating experience.

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Logic? All I see is some guy who's butthurt because he can count the amount of exclusives he's going to play this year on one hand ;)

So you mean a ps3 owner circa 2012?
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#254 Heil68
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[QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

[QUOTE="Miketheman83"]

It's impossible to "own" somebody who's argument is based on the truth, especially when that truth is backed up with evidence.

Its a really good feeling, one that Sony fans have never experienced. You should try it sometime. Using logic and truth in your arguments Is a liberating experience.

TheEroica

Logic? All I see is some guy who's butthurt because he can count the amount of exclusives he's going to play this year on one hand ;)

So you mean a ps3 owner circa 2012?

Yea, all Sony got was the unprecedented 3rd GOTY? Pesky GOTY exclusives. :( Awwwww yeahhhhhhh, thanks Sony/
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#255 nightshade869
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[QUOTE="Miketheman83"][QUOTE="Shewgenja"][QUOTE="Miketheman83"] I bought the Witchet 2 a couple weeks ago. Not exclusive to the 360 but PS3 owners can't play it without an expensive PC. The 360 is the best standalone console this gen.

This does nothing to strengthen your argument. In fact, you completely skirted the question and threw a bunch of chaffe in response.

How do you figure? I'm playing Witcher 2, which is more hardcore than anything Sony has had in years. I've provided facts as to why the 360 it's more hardcore, if you don't want to believe fact then there's nothing I can do about that.

Please just fall down
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My interpretation of a "debate" with a Sony fan. Me: The sky is blue, here is a picture that proves it Sony fanboy #1: Haha you're butthurt, the sky is green! Sony fanboy #2: OMG you just got owned! Me: *facepalm*
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[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="Miketheman83"][QUOTE="Shewgenja"] This does nothing to strengthen your argument. In fact, you completely skirted the question and threw a bunch of chaffe in response.

How do you figure? I'm playing Witcher 2, which is more hardcore than anything Sony has had in years. I've provided facts as to why the 360 it's more hardcore, if you don't want to believe fact then there's nothing I can do about that.

How do you determine how much a game is hardcore exactly? :|

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My interpretation of a "debate" with a Sony fan.

Me: The sky is blue, here is a picture that proves it:

clouds-in-green-sky2.jpg

Sony fanboy #1: Haha you're butthurt, the sky is green!

Sony fanboy #2: OMG you just got owned!

Me: *facepalm*Miketheman83

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[QUOTE="Miketheman83"]My interpretation of a "debate" with a Sony fan.

Me: The sky is blue, here is a picture that proves it:

clouds-in-green-sky2.jpg

Sony fanboy #1: Haha you're butthurt, the sky is green!

Sony fanboy #2: OMG you just got owned!

Me: *facepalm*KiZZo1

owned again, TC should just stop, it's embarrassing now. :(
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[QUOTE="KiZZo1"]

[QUOTE="Miketheman83"]My interpretation of a "debate" with a Sony fan.

Me: The sky is blue, here is a picture that proves it:

clouds-in-green-sky2.jpg

Sony fanboy #1: Haha you're butthurt, the sky is green!

Sony fanboy #2: OMG you just got owned!

Me: *facepalm*Heil68

owned again, TC should just stop, it's embarrassing now. :(

Who would ever say the sky is blue?

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#261 Miketheman83
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[QUOTE="KiZZo1"]

[QUOTE="Miketheman83"]My interpretation of a "debate" with a Sony fan.

Me: The sky is blue, here is a picture that proves it:

clouds-in-green-sky2.jpg

Sony fanboy #1: Haha you're butthurt, the sky is green!

Sony fanboy #2: OMG you just got owned!

Me: *facepalm*Heil68

owned again, TC should just stop, it's embarrassing now. :(

*facepalm*
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#262 blackace
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no games.

ReadingRainbow4

Yeah, over 900+ games for the XBox 360 and counting. lol!! No games my @#$!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_360_games

PS3 only has 772 games.

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[QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

Logic? All I see is some guy who's butthurt because he can count the amount of exclusives he's going to play this year on one hand ;)

Heil68
So you mean a ps3 owner circa 2012?

Yea, all Sony got was the unprecedented 3rd GOTY? Pesky GOTY exclusives. :( Awwwww yeahhhhhhh, thanks Sony/

Theres one finger... :P
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I'm not gonna get into some discussion about hardcore vs casual because if you label people as a hardcore gamer or a casual you are a special kind of loser. That said it's been an issue that had been building up since like 08 where Microsoft's first party just never looked all that flattering, and since then their exclusives have left a lot to be desired.

Forza is a fantastic racing series, Gears of War is a good series, Halo is a little long in the tooth, but sure it's a good series multiplayer wise. The stuff besides those franchises? There is like an Alan Wake here(and that went multiplat) and other than that you have like a Fable. Their exclusive lineup is too top heavy to the point the top heavy franchises are less flattering because of how often we see them. Microsoft has no depth in terms of first party on the retail front, and that needs to be addressed. I am by no means a fan of Sony's first party stuff(some stuff is good, other stuff is meh), but they have a good roster of devs and respectable variety of IPs. Nintendo lacks some originality on their side, but they are absolutely loaded with different ips and first party studios.

At the least you would think Microsoft would have a bunch of little studios that do XBLA stuff for them given how well XBLA has done for them. But if their studios are mostly doing Kinect stuff then I don't want to say they abandoned anyone, but they stopped making games I'd want to play.

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#265 TheEroica  Moderator
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[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="KiZZo1"]

ReadingRainbow4

owned again, TC should just stop, it's embarrassing now. :(

Who would ever say the sky is blue?

Ohh Mike.... go get a glass of water and come back.
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I'm not gonna get into some discussion about hardcore vs casual because if you label people as a hardcore gamer or a casual you are a special kind of loser. That said it's been an issue that had been building up since like 08 where Microsoft's first party just never looked all that flattering, and since then their exclusives have left a lot to be desired.

Forza is a fantastic racing series, Gears of War is a good series, Halo is a little long in the tooth, but sure it's a good series multiplayer wise. The stuff besides those franchises? There is like an Alan Wake here(and that went multiplat) and other than that you have like a Fable. Their exclusive lineup is too top heavy to the point the top heavy franchises are less flattering because of how often we see them. Microsoft has no depth in terms of first party on the retail front, and that needs to be addressed. I am by no means a fan of Sony's first party stuff(some stuff is good, other stuff is meh), but they have a good roster of devs and respectable variety of IPs. Nintendo lacks some originality on their side, but they are absolutely loaded with different ips and first party studios.

At the least you would think Microsoft would have a bunch of little studios that do XBLA stuff for them given how well XBLA has done for them. But if their studios are mostly doing Kinect stuff then I don't want to say they abandoned anyone, but they stopped making games I'd want to play.

jg4xchamp
Excellent post.... and I agree to an extent... given my own situation with a gaming family, i look for value in several places other than my own, but yeah... categorizing gamers is a fruitless battle... gaming is an activity that everyone does different... MS has something to prove to people like me who are interested in unique and mature gaming experiences... if they fail, I take my money elsewhere, and it reflects in their success with my demographic. As ive said, the single most important day in the future of xbox gaming is about to happen... where rumors dissipate and only fact remains....
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#267 MonsieurX
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Can't answer me Mike?
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I'm not gonna get into some discussion about hardcore vs casual because if you label people as a hardcore gamer or a casual you are a special kind of loser. That said it's been an issue that had been building up since like 08 where Microsoft's first party just never looked all that flattering, and since then their exclusives have left a lot to be desired.

Forza is a fantastic racing series, Gears of War is a good series, Halo is a little long in the tooth, but sure it's a good series multiplayer wise. The stuff besides those franchises? There is like an Alan Wake here(and that went multiplat) and other than that you have like a Fable. Their exclusive lineup is too top heavy to the point the top heavy franchises are less flattering because of how often we see them. Microsoft has no depth in terms of first party on the retail front, and that needs to be addressed. I am by no means a fan of Sony's first party stuff(some stuff is good, other stuff is meh), but they have a good roster of devs and respectable variety of IPs. Nintendo lacks some originality on their side, but they are absolutely loaded with different ips and first party studios.

At the least you would think Microsoft would have a bunch of little studios that do XBLA stuff for them given how well XBLA has done for them. But if their studios are mostly doing Kinect stuff then I don't want to say they abandoned anyone, but they stopped making games I'd want to play.

jg4xchamp

But this gen started the exact same way for MS. Few first party titles and some strong exclusive or timed exclusive third party titles. That strategy worked last time and I expect it to work and be tried again. MS isn't a stupid company, their Xbox divisoion is operating in the black, and they have extremely deep pockets. They can despite what anyone says cause they did it last time buy two or three big name exclusives and keep them that way for a year or so. And since Gears and Halo sell so well their next gen updates along with Forza and a new Fable and whatever Black Tusk is working on will give them enough exclusives to battle Sony. Again, in no gen ever in the history of video games was every third party game a multiplat. Wont be this way this gen either. For a rare few games the devs will have a price and MS is in the best position to pay it, have in the past, and IMO will likely do so again.

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#269 robbie80
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Well to be fair both ps3 and 360 release a good few hardcore games for gamers fanboys haha.i dont think Microsoft will drop the core but hopefully they drop price of Xbox live or give something like psn+ give us value for our money.
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#270 AcidThunder
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Can't answer me Mike?MonsieurX

apparently this
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#271 Miketheman83
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Can't answer me Mike?MonsieurX
What's your question?
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#273 jg4xchamp
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[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]

I'm not gonna get into some discussion about hardcore vs casual because if you label people as a hardcore gamer or a casual you are a special kind of loser. That said it's been an issue that had been building up since like 08 where Microsoft's first party just never looked all that flattering, and since then their exclusives have left a lot to be desired.

Forza is a fantastic racing series, Gears of War is a good series, Halo is a little long in the tooth, but sure it's a good series multiplayer wise. The stuff besides those franchises? There is like an Alan Wake here(and that went multiplat) and other than that you have like a Fable. Their exclusive lineup is too top heavy to the point the top heavy franchises are less flattering because of how often we see them. Microsoft has no depth in terms of first party on the retail front, and that needs to be addressed. I am by no means a fan of Sony's first party stuff(some stuff is good, other stuff is meh), but they have a good roster of devs and respectable variety of IPs. Nintendo lacks some originality on their side, but they are absolutely loaded with different ips and first party studios.

At the least you would think Microsoft would have a bunch of little studios that do XBLA stuff for them given how well XBLA has done for them. But if their studios are mostly doing Kinect stuff then I don't want to say they abandoned anyone, but they stopped making games I'd want to play.

shawn30

But this gen started the exact same way for MS. Few first party titles and some strong exclusive or timed exclusive third party titles. That strategy worked last time and I expect it to work and be tried again. MS isn't a stupid company, their Xbox divisoion is operating in the black, and they have extremely deep pockets. They can despite what anyone says cause they did it last time buy two or three big name excluisves and keep them that way for a year nor so. And since Gears and H

I'm not talking from a business end as much as I'm talking about my issues with Microsoft's current direction.

Yes that method worked, but honestly early on Microsoft had a bit more fire in their belly. Look at the sheer effort put into early in the gen. RARE was being used to actually make stuff. Say whatever you want about their games(and I think Nuts and Bolts and Viva Pinata are awesome for what they are) but they had a good run of games with PDZ, Kamoe, Viva, and Banjo.

They actually made an effort to appeal in Japan between the work they did with Mistwalker(okay so Blue Dragon, like a lot), with Tecmo and Itagaki locking up DoA4, and then NG2. They published Mass Effect(and passed up the chance to pick up Bioware), they had PGR which did very well until some bonehead release decision with PGR4; Gears of War was a brand spanking new ip at the time, and then there was the rise of the XBLA with summer of arcade. The amount of different 3rd party studios they got to go away from being Sony exclusive to multiplat also had some deals along the way.

It's not all homeruns there, but the effort was there. Now obviously some of those weren't the best business decisions, but I do believe they need to get a better roster of IPS/studios for the future of their console business. Halo is a strong IP, and so is Gears, but they don't own Gears, and sooner or later a franchises impact begins to diminish. Halo is not gonna stop selling, but it's impact isn't going to be what it was in 2007 ever again. It's about time they gave some of their big franchise some running mates.

It may not have been a major issue this gen to their bottom line, but it's something that can be an issue if not addressed.

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#274 -RocBoys9489-
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[QUOTE="Miketheman83"]

The fact If the matter it's that the 360 has released more hardcore, high scoring games than the PS3 in the last two years.  Anybody with half a brain can do the research and see that. The only way PS3 fans can win "the war" is by telling lies.

Amount of 360 games rated over 80 in 2012- 65

Amount of PS3 games rated over 80 in 2012- 51

Amount of 360 games rated over 80 in 2013- 5

Amount of PS3 games rated over 80 in 2013- 5

Facts are Facts, cows. You need to learn how to accept the truth If you expect people to take your opinions seriously. 

Scorestaken from metacritic

www.metacritic.com/browse/games/score/metascore/year/all?sort=desc&view=condensed&year_selected=2013 

 

 

 

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The only people claiming MS is abandoning anything are the same idiots who can't even spell MS and use "m$" . FN 'tards, what would you expect?

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#275 MonsieurX
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[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="Miketheman83"] How do you figure? I'm playing Witcher 2, which is more hardcore than anything Sony has had in years. I've provided facts as to why the 360 it's more hardcore, if you don't want to believe fact then there's nothing I can do about that.

How do you determine how much a game is hardcore exactly? :|

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[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="MonsieurX"]How do you determine how much a game is hardcore exactly? :|MonsieurX

Complexity, difficulty, accessibility, depth etc.
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[QUOTE="Shewgenja"][QUOTE="Miketheman83"] I bought the Witchet 2 a couple weeks ago. Not exclusive to the 360 but PS3 owners can't play it without an expensive PC. The 360 is the best standalone console this gen.Miketheman83
This does nothing to strengthen your argument. In fact, you completely skirted the question and threw a bunch of chaffe in response.

How do you figure? I'm playing Witcher 2, which is more hardcore than anything Sony has had in years. I've provided facts as to why the 360 it's more hardcore, if you don't want to believe fact then there's nothing I can do about that.

So, you give MS credit for a third party non-exclusive game coming to their console how exactly? Got news for you, Witcher 3 is coming to PS4 judging by all indications. That means Sony is strengthening its core game support right on the back of PC developers that were exclusive to MS once upon a time. Elder Scrolls, Ninja Gaiden, Mass Effect, Bioshock and so so so many others say "Hi, Mike." Just saying..

 

You're not just getting owned, Microsoft is leaving you dangling from a rope.  Give it up.

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It's only a lie because it implies that MS ever cared about the core audience in the first place. And just lol @ using game scores to make an argument for core games. This thread is bad and OP should feel bad.
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So let me get this straight, we're now taking ANYTHING that scores above 80 as being "hardcore"?

Does that mean that Journey is Hardcore?

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#280 MonsieurX
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[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="MonsieurX"]Miketheman83

Complexity, difficulty, accessibility, depth etc.

TW2 isn't that much complex and difficult. Accessibility is fine for anyone that already played RPGs ...
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TC is butthurt/owned.
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#283 AcidThunder
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[QUOTE="Fossil-"]It's only a lie because it implies that MS ever cared about the core audience in the first place. And just lol @ using game scores to make an argument for core games. This thread is bad and OP should feel bad.

his other threads are even better
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#284 Miketheman83
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[QUOTE="Miketheman83"][QUOTE="MonsieurX"]MonsieurX
Complexity, difficulty, accessibility, depth etc.

TW2 isn't that much complex and difficult. Accessibility is fine for anyone that already played RPGs ...

I don't think anybody in their right mind would consider the Witcher a casual game.
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#285 MonsieurX
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[QUOTE="Miketheman83"][QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="Miketheman83"] Complexity, difficulty, accessibility, depth etc.

TW2 isn't that much complex and difficult. Accessibility is fine for anyone that already played RPGs ...

I don't think anybody in their right mind would consider the Witcher a casual game.

If it's not casual,it's hardcore If it's not hardcore,it's casual?
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TC is butthurt/owned. Badosh
Derp
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[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="Miketheman83"][QUOTE="MonsieurX"] TW2 isn't that much complex and difficult. Accessibility is fine for anyone that already played RPGs ...

I don't think anybody in their right mind would consider the Witcher a casual game.

If it's not casual,it's hardcore If it's not hardcore,it's casual?

Precisely
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#290 AcidThunder
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[QUOTE="Miketheman83"][QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="Miketheman83"] Complexity, difficulty, accessibility, depth etc.

TW2 isn't that much complex and difficult. Accessibility is fine for anyone that already played RPGs ...

I don't think anybody in their right mind would consider the Witcher a casual game.

going by your definiton, YOU are implying that Witcher is casual
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[QUOTE="shawn30"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]

I'm not gonna get into some discussion about hardcore vs casual because if you label people as a hardcore gamer or a casual you are a special kind of loser. That said it's been an issue that had been building up since like 08 where Microsoft's first party just never looked all that flattering, and since then their exclusives have left a lot to be desired.

Forza is a fantastic racing series, Gears of War is a good series, Halo is a little long in the tooth, but sure it's a good series multiplayer wise. The stuff besides those franchises? There is like an Alan Wake here(and that went multiplat) and other than that you have like a Fable. Their exclusive lineup is too top heavy to the point the top heavy franchises are less flattering because of how often we see them. Microsoft has no depth in terms of first party on the retail front, and that needs to be addressed. I am by no means a fan of Sony's first party stuff(some stuff is good, other stuff is meh), but they have a good roster of devs and respectable variety of IPs. Nintendo lacks some originality on their side, but they are absolutely loaded with different ips and first party studios.

At the least you would think Microsoft would have a bunch of little studios that do XBLA stuff for them given how well XBLA has done for them. But if their studios are mostly doing Kinect stuff then I don't want to say they abandoned anyone, but they stopped making games I'd want to play.

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But this gen started the exact same way for MS. Few first party titles and some strong exclusive or timed exclusive third party titles. That strategy worked last time and I expect it to work and be tried again. MS isn't a stupid company, their Xbox divisoion is operating in the black, and they have extremely deep pockets. They can despite what anyone says cause they did it last time buy two or three big name excluisves and keep them that way for a year nor so. And since Gears and H

I'm not talking from a business end as much as I'm talking about my issues with Microsoft's current direction.

Yes that method worked, but honestly early on Microsoft had a bit more fire in their belly. Look at the sheer effort put into early in the gen. RARE was being used to actually make stuff. Say whatever you want about their games(and I think Nuts and Bolts and Viva Pinata are awesome for what they are) but they had a good run of games with PDZ, Kamoe, Viva, and Banjo.

They actually made an effort to appeal in Japan between the work they did with Mistwalker(okay so Blue Dragon, like a lot), with Tecmo and Itagaki locking up DoA4, and then NG2. They published Mass Effect(and passed up the chance to pick up Bioware), they had PGR which did very well until some bonehead release decision with PGR4; Gears of War was a brand spanking new ip at the time, and then there was the rise of the XBLA with summer of arcade. The amount of different 3rd party studios they got to go away from being Sony exclusive to multiplat also had some deals along the way.

It's not all homeruns there, but the effort was there. Now obviously some of those weren't the best business decisions, but I do believe they need to get a better roster of IPS/studios for the future of their console business. Halo is a strong IP, and so is Gears, but they don't own Gears, and sooner or later a franchises impact begins to diminish. Halo is not gonna stop selling, but it's impact isn't going to be what it was in 2007 ever again. It's about time they gave some of their big franchise some running mates.

It may not have been a major issue this gen to their bottom line, but it's something that can be an issue if not addressed.

You're making valid points, but at the same time simply showing what I said MS did last time worked. The thing is they haven't released one single official piece of info on the 720 yet. How can anyone say what MS's focus is and isnt next gen when they have announced nothing. I will still lay my bets that MS grabs two to three bigname exclusives early on in the gen ala last time and ride out with the Big Three, MMO Fable, and Black Tusks game. But we just don't know until they show their hand, and officially they haven't even announced that the system exists. I think MS will be every bit as agressive for their core games this gen, but with Kinect they can grab some casual cash too. I'd push both from a business POV.

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[QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="TheEroica"] Wednesday! Yes! Lets do this.... "bone of contention" with heil and theEroica... i absolutely think we should round table debate about aspects of gaming AND include the special guests to take part, even if that means an off balance of points of view.

We need to have a guest commit too, wonder if MiketheButtHurt would join us?

Mike vs. Kuraimen aaaannnnnnd FIGHT!

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#293 MonsieurX
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[QUOTE="Miketheman83"][QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="Miketheman83"] I don't think anybody in their right mind would consider the Witcher a casual game.

If it's not casual,it's hardcore If it's not hardcore,it's casual?

Precisely

What about pokemons?
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d silebodt quote my post? aha alright ten.
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[QUOTE="freedomfreak"]d silebodt quote my post? aha alright ten.

You're drunk, go home.
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[QUOTE="Miketheman83"][QUOTE="MonsieurX"]MonsieurX
Complexity, difficulty, accessibility, depth etc.

TW2 isn't that much complex and difficult. Accessibility is fine for anyone that already played RPGs ...

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[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="Miketheman83"][QUOTE="MonsieurX"] If it's not casual,it's hardcore If it's not hardcore,it's casual?

Precisely

What about pokemons?

I have no idea. Do I seem like the type of dude who would play pokemon to you?
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[QUOTE="Jack-Burton"][QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="Heil68"] We need to have a guest commit too, wonder if MiketheButtHurt would join us?

Mike vs. Kuraimen aaaannnnnnd FIGHT!

He moved first.
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#299 MonsieurX
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[QUOTE="Miketheman83"][QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="Miketheman83"] Precisely

What about pokemons?

I have no idea. Do I seem like the type of dude who would play pokemon to you?

So there's a type of people who play pokemon? Pokemon's accessible to anyone which gathers the casual But it got depth and complexity that casual don't know about which makes it hardcore So,what is it exactly?
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[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="Miketheman83"][QUOTE="MonsieurX"] What about pokemons?

I have no idea. Do I seem like the type of dude who would play pokemon to you?

So there's a type of people who play pokemon? Pokemon's accessible to anyone which gathers the casual But it got depth and complexity that casual don't know about which makes it hardcore So,what is it exactly?

I don't think it would be fair of me to assess a game I haven't played.