Anyone else been burned by Sony? (My rant)

Sony definitely took a misstep with the PS3, but they corrected their initial insult to the gaming public and redeemed themselves.  The $600 launch with no games was a fiasco, and I sat it out until the price dropped to $300.  My PS2 kept me well entertained until 2009 when it finally crapped out and I bought my PS3.

As for handhelds I've never bothered.  Nintendo's basically owned that market since the Gameboy was released 25 years ago. 

[QUOTE="Granny_Spanked"][QUOTE="RR360DD"]

Journey an indie title :lol:

try again

RR360DD

How is it subjective? Huge budget from Sony, not to mention sony santa monica kicked in to help with development.

And Im still playing Halo 4. Dat value. Hope you enjoyed those two hours of roaming sand dunes.

As for handhelds I've never bothered.  Nintendo's basically owned that market since the Gameboy was released 25 years ago. 

Boddicker

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="Granny_Spanked"] It's subjective, but Journey>Halo 4.Granny_Spanked

How is it subjective? Huge budget from Sony, not to mention sony santa monica kicked in to help with development.

And Im still playing Halo 4. Dat value. Hope you enjoyed those two hours of roaming sand dunes.

Small budget based on what? Despite how much the game sold, they only started profiting off it a month or two ago. When you have that kind of budget, not to mention a huge established company helping with development, its not an indie.

Again, that 14 man independant game studio got a load of help from santa monica to make the game what it is today. Outpreformed? Yeah, you did bring up the gamespot GOTY. They're both 9.0. Halo 4 outsold Journey. I mean if youre gonna make such a big deal out of it, I guess we should find it pathetic that Naughty Dogs TLOU was also outperformed.

[QUOTE="moistsandwich"]

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

Basically if you want indie games, then get the indiestation 4 because thats all Sony can afford.

If you want the console with the best online service and the most blockbusters, get the XOne. Its $100 more, but you get so much more bang for buck.

RR360DD

Ohh... you such a big man... indie games no have big budget, and no big budget mean no good game.

You're an idiot. Some of the best games released this gen are indie / smaller budget titles.

Funny to see an XBOT try and talk about games... what have XBOX gamers gotten for exclusives in 2013? Gears of War made by the "B" team over at EPIC... and what else?

MS will do the same thing this gen... pretend to care about core games for the first 3-4 years and then serve up Halo, Forza & Gears... or a Gears replacement DUDE BRO SHOOTER.

I supported MS this gen, because even with their hardware fail, they seemed to be invested in what I care about... GAMES. Then Kinect happened.

See I've learned from my mistake, this gen I'll support Sony... and maybe pick up a used XB1 when the library has a couple handfuls of REAL exclusives worth playing. Which will take 3 or more years for them to produce I'm sure.

Here we are in the final year for Sony's PS3 and PS3 owners have gotten, Ni No Kuni, A new Sly Cooper, The Last of Us... with Dragon's Crown, a new Ratchet & CLank & more due out before the years end.

NEXT GEN WILL BE THE SAME... MS WILL FORGET ABOUT YOU AFTER THEY GET YOU, AND SONY WILL CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THEIR PLATFORM RIGHT TIL THE END!

Holy shit, he mad.

Oh yeah, what were these awesome indie games then? Other than Hotline miami i cant think of any :lol:

Why waste my time listing them, they're all crap... remember?

PS. I'm not mad... just using caps for effect, draws the eye, so people will read.

[QUOTE="Boddicker"]

As for handhelds I've never bothered.  Nintendo's basically owned that market since the Gameboy was released 25 years ago. 

HadOne2Many

You know what I mean though.

I've never cared for handhelds, but I too have heard rumblings of mobile phones making them obsolete. I'll just stick with gaming at my house.

[QUOTE="Granny_Spanked"][QUOTE="RR360DD"]

How is it subjective? Huge budget from Sony, not to mention sony santa monica kicked in to help with development.

And Im still playing Halo 4. Dat value. Hope you enjoyed those two hours of roaming sand dunes.

RR360DD

Small budget based on what? Despite how much the game sold, they only started profiting off it a month or two ago. When you have that kind of budget, not to mention a huge established company helping with development, its not an indie.

Again, that 14 man independant game studio got a load of help from santa monica to make the game what it is today. Outpreformed? Yeah, you did bring up the gamespot GOTY. They're both 9.0. Halo 4 outsold Journey. I mean if youre gonna make such a big deal out of it, I guess we should find it pathetic that Naughty Dogs TLOU was also outperformed.

[QUOTE="HadOne2Many"][QUOTE="Boddicker"]

As for handhelds I've never bothered.  Nintendo's basically owned that market since the Gameboy was released 25 years ago. 

Boddicker

You know what I mean though.

I've never cared for handhelds, but I too have heard rumblings of mobile phones making them obsolete. I'll just stick with gaming at my house.

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="Granny_Spanked"] Still a small budget independent company not owned by Sony, they just had a three game contract. It's still pretty pathetic that a team of 300+ made for one sole purpose, was outperformed by a 14 man independent game studio. So you're still playing Halo 4, that just means that you're wasting more of your time playing garbage. Granny_Spanked

Small budget based on what? Despite how much the game sold, they only started profiting off it a month or two ago. When you have that kind of budget, not to mention a huge established company helping with development, its not an indie.

Again, that 14 man independant game studio got a load of help from santa monica to make the game what it is today. Outpreformed? Yeah, you did bring up the gamespot GOTY. They're both 9.0. Halo 4 outsold Journey. I mean if youre gonna make such a big deal out of it, I guess we should find it pathetic that Naughty Dogs TLOU was also outperformed.

Heres a good read on it

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-03-15-inside-sonys-commune

And Allan Becker, who ran the studio, wanted to do arty games, interesting stuff as well as triple-A super commercial stuff. That's all important, because that makes money - lots of money. But it can be creatively stifling. So that's how we ended up having ThatGameCompany coming in and being an incubated team here.

"The idea was to nurture young teams, and asking how can we exercise our advantage of triple-A for doing this stuff. And that's where it comes in - we can go, someone needs to explain how to do dither patterns to thatgamecompany so they can get rid of their colour grading in Flow. Someone can explain that, and in this really subtle way his game will be better because of the graphics engine of God of War - and no-one ever really needs to understand how that happens. But it will become apparent in the overall quality of the games that one thing led to another."

"Fundamentally, what it comes down to is we try to complement them," adds director of technology Christer Ericson. "We supply from our side a producer to help wrangle things, and the technical know how. And the experience, really. They may have the skill, but until you've made a number of games you don't know what problems you'll encounter. Those sort of things is generally what we come and help with."

"Journey likely wouldn't have been possible - or as pretty - without Santa Monica Studio's prowess."

I remember watching a video on it once, don't have a link, but it talked about how santa monica was the reason the sand looked and reacted so beautifully. Without their help, no way would have Journey got the recognition it did.

[QUOTE="Granny_Spanked"][QUOTE="RR360DD"]

Small budget based on what? Despite how much the game sold, they only started profiting off it a month or two ago. When you have that kind of budget, not to mention a huge established company helping with development, its not an indie.

Again, that 14 man independant game studio got a load of help from santa monica to make the game what it is today. Outpreformed? Yeah, you did bring up the gamespot GOTY. They're both 9.0. Halo 4 outsold Journey. I mean if youre gonna make such a big deal out of it, I guess we should find it pathetic that Naughty Dogs TLOU was also outperformed.

RR360DD

Heres a good read on it

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-03-15-inside-sonys-commune

And Allan Becker, who ran the studio, wanted to do arty games, interesting stuff as well as triple-A super commercial stuff. That's all important, because that makes money - lots of money. But it can be creatively stifling. So that's how we ended up having ThatGameCompany coming in and being an incubated team here.

"The idea was to nurture young teams, and asking how can we exercise our advantage of triple-A for doing this stuff. And that's where it comes in - we can go, someone needs to explain how to do dither patterns to thatgamecompany so they can get rid of their colour grading in Flow. Someone can explain that, and in this really subtle way his game will be better because of the graphics engine of God of War - and no-one ever really needs to understand how that happens. But it will become apparent in the overall quality of the games that one thing led to another."

"Fundamentally, what it comes down to is we try to complement them," adds director of technology Christer Ericson. "We supply from our side a producer to help wrangle things, and the technical know how. And the experience, really. They may have the skill, but until you've made a number of games you don't know what problems you'll encounter. Those sort of things is generally what we come and help with."

"Journey likely wouldn't have been possible - or as pretty - without Santa Monica Studio's prowess."

I remember watching a video on it once, don't have a link, but it talked about how santa monica was the reason the sand looked and reacted so beautifully. Without their help, no way would have Journey got the recognition it did.

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

Basically if you want indie games, then get the indiestation 4 because thats all Sony can afford.

If you want the console with the best online service and the most blockbusters, get the XOne. Its $100 more, but you get so much more bang for buck.

PS4TrumpsXbox1

My experience with the PS3 has been the opposite.

Feel like I've gotten the best possible value for my money outside of PC gaming. Good online system delivery, great reliability, extremely versatile compared to its peers, and again when comparing to its peers much better software support at the end of its life-cycle. Great product.

Why buy a system at launch if there aren't enough games to keep you interested? You burned yourself.

I actually did wait till June 2008 to get a PS3, and it sounds like I made the right choice. At the same time, I got a PSP on launch day and Ridge Racer, Twisted Metal and Wipeout are still 3 of my favorite games on the system.

You got owned. :lol: Nicely done Sony.

I got a PS3 at launch and wasn't disappointed.

I got a PSP at launch and wasn't disappointed.

I got a Vita at launch and wasn't disappointed.

I will get a PS4 at launch and will not be disappointed.

[QUOTE="JohnF111"]"See I bought a ps3 in November 2006 for the riddiclous price point of 600 dollars" - then you're a complete fool to have done so especially knowing it was too much at the time. "I believed the Sony hype train once again" - So you were a fool twice? Wow what a loser.PurpleMan5000

Except in his "rant" he said he bought it for games. Which makes it his own damn fault.

I was also burned by the PSP and PS3.

It's not that the PSP was bad, so much, but it was definitely worse than the DS, and support pretty much died halfway through its life. It had a "good" first year in comparison to the DS. I'd have preferred not spending $250 on it, but I don't regret it.

The PS3, however, I wish I never bought. I could count on less than one hand the PS3 games I enjoyed. So many of the hyped exclusives just turned out to be big disappointments like LBP....That's the biggest offender. A platformer with gameplay that's so bad I didn't even care to create a single level... My friend and I were so excited to play it (he was a 360 gamer who was thinking about getting a PS3 for LBP as well), and when we played it together we just looked at each other like "Wow, this is bad" lol.

I haven't bought a Vita, and I don't intend to get a PS4 anytime soon. Not sure if I'll get any consoles anytime soon, really. Just going to stick to my PC for a while :)

ps3 had more quality games than the 360 and the psp had more quality games than the ds.

also, 600 dollars is a lot of money, but it's not A LOT of money.

i do concede on the vita being a waste though

It seems like you screwed yourself over. You should expect these things when buying systems at launch.

ps3 had more quality games than the 360 and the psp had more quality games than the ds.

also, 600 dollars is a lot of money, but it's not A LOT of money.

i do concede on the vita being a waste though

drekula2

tl;dr?MonsieurX

I wouldn't say I was burned by Sony, but I got victimized twice by DRE last gen. But I never doubt there will be games for their consoles. I also own a vita, and I like it. I have games for it. I do admit I'm different in that, I will buy a console for one game. See, one game is what gets that initial purchase, but I believe there will be more released. And I've always been right. I bought my first ps3 when mgs4 came out. That was what made me buy one. And more, and better games came out for it. Second son is enough to make me buy a ps4. cainetao11

Only in rare cases have I bought a system for one game, and been happy with the purchase.

The Dreamcast with Soul Calibur, the Gamecube with SSBM, and the Xbox with Halo. Mainly because those games I could play for hours and hours and hours. For instance, with the Gamecube, I never suffered through a game drought because I played SSBM too much to notice.

Not sure I could enjoy spending $300-$500 on a system for a single player game. Maybe if it was from one of my top 5 series of all time. I'd probably drop $500 to play Half Life 3 if it was exclusive to something other than PC :P

I've never been "burned" by Sony. I don't like their controller. It was never comfortable for me. Plus, their new franchises don't interest me.

[QUOTE="Miketheman83"]To me its pretty obvious the Xbox has been the better gaming machine for a while now and there are facts to back it up. You just have a lot of people holding on to the past when Sony was the best and they refuse to try something new.MonsieurX

Okay I see how everyone is prasing Sony and the ps4, and I do agree the ps4 is sweet. But honestly, I currently have no interest in the ps4 as there is only one game for it that interests me Infamous Second Son.  I like Sony and all but I been burned by them too many times over the years, even more than MS. See I bought a ps3 in November 2006 for the riddiclous price point of 600 dollars. To later see that there aren't any games for the system for the first 2 YEARS of its life. My parents look at me ( I was 19 at the time) and say you pretty much wasted 600 bucks on a blu ray player, with no games and a crappy online service SMH.  So later I buy a psp for 150 bucks and once AGAIN, got burned with its lack of games, another face palm. A few years ago I bought a vita becuase I believed in the Sony hype train again, and what happens? Sony burnes me YET AGAIN, with a another slightly more powerful psp with few games.  So yea, I was a hardcore Sony fan but after all that, I am not falling for Sony and its hype machine anymore. Until more games that interest me hit the ps4 like Uncharted 4, Last of Us 2, and Infamous Second Son come out, I am sticking with the Xbox One. Even though MS is no saint,  but they haven't burned me or cost me as much money as Sony. Anyone else got burned by Sony like I did? Are you still buying the ps4 at launch or are you waiting?

djshowstopper87

Not trying to be flip, but why don't you try waiting for a library before buying something?

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[QUOTE="Basinboy"]

No console outside of the N64 has ever had a generation-defining title available at launch.

SecretPolice

Halo: CE

[QUOTE="drekula2"]

ps3 had more quality games than the 360 and the psp had more quality games than the ds.

also, 600 dollars is a lot of money, but it's not A LOT of money.

i do concede on the vita being a waste though

cainetao11

[QUOTE="cainetao11"][QUOTE="drekula2"]

ps3 had more quality games than the 360 and the psp had more quality games than the ds.

also, 600 dollars is a lot of money, but it's not A LOT of money.

i do concede on the vita being a waste though

FlamesOfGrey

This is the reason why I will never be an early adopter of a video game system.  The few that I have bought early(the PS2, Gamecube, and 3DS) I got burned since I had to endure the droughts before the good games started rolling in.

I did not get my PS3 and 360 until last year, and it did not bother me at all.   By that time, I was able to get my hands on good hardware for a pretty good price, and many of the games that I wanted were cheap thanks to being either Greatest Hits or Platinum Hits.

It also let me avoid the issues that often plague early versions of consoles, so I managed to avoid things like RROD.

And I'm sticking with my guns with the PS4 and Xbox One.    I'll wait a few years while their libaries build up, the older games get cheaper, and the hardware revisions come out.    Since I'll be catching up on PS3 and 360 games, I don't think it will bother me all that much.

I honestly see no point in being an early adopter.  Granted, you might be able to play the newest system first, but its the early versions of systems that have hardware issues and there are often droughts while developers comes to grips with the new system.

For me, it's just better to wait.  And then I  never have to worry about feeling burned or cheated.

Basically if you want indie games, then get the indiestation 4 because thats all Sony can afford.

If you want the console with the best online service and the most blockbusters, get the XOne. Its $100 more, but you get so much more bang for buck.

RR360DD

I didnt know more bang for your buck meant weaker hardware with forced motion controls.

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="Miketheman83"]To me its pretty obvious the Xbox has been the better gaming machine for a while now and there are facts to back it up. You just have a lot of people holding on to the past when Sony was the best and they refuse to try something new.Miketheman83

Nothing you listed was a fact.

Basically if you want indie games, then get the indiestation 4 because thats all Sony can afford.

If you want the console with the best online service and the most blockbusters, get the XOne. Its $100 more, but you get so much more bang for buck.

RR360DD

Dont feel burned. The people of London got Sony back when they burned and looted a distribution plant.

http://gotgame.com/2011/08/09/londoners-burn-sony-plant/

Sony's been pretty good to me. I love my Sony XBR-960 HD CRT (nearly 10 years old and still going strong), I haven't had any problems with my PS3 (though I haven't had it very long). Only complaint I have is the lack of a system wide way for my PS3 to compensate for the overscan on my TV.