Anyone else dissapointed with the 360 this gen?

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"] On the contrary lems ended up buying the "cheaper" console which in the end was the most expensive one with all the added costs it required. M$ were the wise ones here not their consumers. Those got duped as usual lulz.kuraimen

No you are right. I mean PS3 gamers didn't pay $600 at launch and then wait two years for any games.

Yeah that didn't happen. They had games from the get go.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! Paid troll confirmed. If that launch isn't pathetic I don't what is. The PS3 was marketed as a Blu-ray player the first two years. It bundled with MOVIES not games. If Blu-ray didn't win it would have gone on longer.

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#153 razgriz_101
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the 360 was this gens irrelevant garbage systemPressXtoJump

more relevant than the PS3.

Unless you like potraying consoles in a negative light then Sony pretty much wins by default.

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#154 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="PressXtoJump"]the 360 was this gens irrelevant garbage systemrazgriz_101

more relevant than the PS3.

Unless you like potraying consoles in a negative light then Sony pretty much wins by default.

What makes it more relevant? RROD? lol
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360 is the only system this gen that has stayed relevant. It started off strong and just keeps selling 7 years later. Its still getting tons of great games both retail and XBLA. When you walk into a store 360 always has the biggest section. Wii was only popular for a couple years and PS3 has always been a last place afterthought. The only reason it gets the 3rd party games is cause devs can port it for a quick buck even tho they all look better run better and sell more on 360.
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It's my favorite of the consoles. I play it far more often than my PS3.

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#158 ShadowMoses900
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Honestly yes.

The 360 was my first next gen console, it is the 20GB model and I got it for Oblivion which was planned to be a launch title. Well it got pushed back so I got COD2 instead (a great game), over the course of my 360's lifespan I have gotten scratched discs, 3 RROD's, and numerous other problems.

I had some good games on it don't get me wrong, Oblivion and Fallout 3 were amazing, Mass Effect was too. But from it's exclusives I had very little that interested me, Halo 3 was such a dissapointment, Fable is lol, Gears is the only enjoyable one. And then paying for online sucks. I'm glad I never bought that stupid WIFI adapter and just did a direct connection, but even then XBL is not worth paying for.

When the PS3 Slim came out and it became cheaper, I got one mainly for it's exclusives. Which are far better than all the exclusives on 360, especially in graphics. I love free online too, I don't care about cross game chat. And the system is super reliable and Blu Ray is nice. I ended up liking PS3 better than 360, so rebought many of my multiplats on PS3 and never noticed a difference despite what the fanboys like to say. PS3 is the better system, hands down.

But this is just my opinion though.

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[QUOTE="PressXtoJump"]the 360 was this gens irrelevant garbage systemrazgriz_101

more relevant than the PS3.

Unless you like potraying consoles in a negative light then Sony pretty much wins by default.

nah all 360 games can be either played on ps3 pc or wii. the system is irrelevant
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#161 Eddie-Vedder
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It's pretty shocking and depressing to see how hard the 360 ended up failing. WHen it was released you could tell it would never be able to compete with the PS3, but it still looked like it would have a few good games every year.

Then all it did was fail.

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#162 EzcapeTheFate
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I think all the PS3 damage control in this thread pretty much gives you your answer about the Xbox relevancy.:cool:.
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I think all the PS3 damage control in this thread pretty much gives you your answer about the Xbox relevancy.:cool:.EzcapeTheFate
I really love how every standard used to quanify success (sales, number of games, scores of games on either GS or Metacritic) was utterly abandoned by PS fanboys because Playstation 3 won none of them :lol: Instead it's literally degenerated to "Lol Kinect, Yay MGS4!"...
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#164 JohnnyCageMK
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[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="PressXtoJump"]the 360 was this gens irrelevant garbage systemPressXtoJump

more relevant than the PS3.

Unless you like potraying consoles in a negative light then Sony pretty much wins by default.

nah all 360 games can be either played on ps3 pc or wii. the system is irrelevant

Or you can have a 360 and play everything.
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not only by the lack of production of the games, but also the lack of effort going from the past 3-4 years, its as if it was only yesterday when lemmings 3 years ago were like "oh this e3 there are no games but just wait till next year, and now its like 4 years in a row and still nothing.

Whats going on here??

PinnacleGamingP

"yesterday when lemmings"

Who takes any of you KIDDIE SPEECH users seriously? FAILURE OF A THREAD.

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#166 fadersdream
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I love my 360. Threads like this are just bait though, tasty tasty bait.

From xbox to xbox 360 I am amazed at the leap, and how much I love the thing.

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[QUOTE="EzcapeTheFate"]I think all the PS3 damage control in this thread pretty much gives you your answer about the Xbox relevancy.:cool:.locopatho
I really love how every standard used to quanify success (sales, number of games, scores of games on either GS or Metacritic) was utterly abandoned by PS fanboys because Playstation 3 won none of them :lol: Instead it's literally degenerated to "Lol Kinect, Yay MGS4!"...

When they are staring at cold hard facts like numbers "LOL Kinect" is all they can comeback with. What sad little games they play.
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[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"][QUOTE="PressXtoJump"][QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

more relevant than the PS3.

Unless you like potraying consoles in a negative light then Sony pretty much wins by default.

nah all 360 games can be either played on ps3 pc or wii. the system is irrelevant

Or you can have a 360 and play everything.

Halo/Forza/Gears is not everything. Maybe it's for lems but not for gamers.
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[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="EzcapeTheFate"]I think all the PS3 damage control in this thread pretty much gives you your answer about the Xbox relevancy.:cool:.EzcapeTheFate
I really love how every standard used to quanify success (sales, number of games, scores of games on either GS or Metacritic) was utterly abandoned by PS fanboys because Playstation 3 won none of them :lol: Instead it's literally degenerated to "Lol Kinect, Yay MGS4!"...

When they are staring at cold hard facts like numbers "LOL Kinect" is all they can comeback with. What sad little games they play.

ps3 doesn't even have the power to run multiplats or party chats it's made for doormats.

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[QUOTE="EzcapeTheFate"][QUOTE="locopatho"] I really love how every standard used to quanify success (sales, number of games, scores of games on either GS or Metacritic) was utterly abandoned by PS fanboys because Playstation 3 won none of them :lol: Instead it's literally degenerated to "Lol Kinect, Yay MGS4!"... percuvius2

When they are staring at cold hard facts like numbers "LOL Kinect" is all they can comeback with. What sad little games they play.

ps3 doesn't even have the power to run multiplats or party chats it's made for doormats.

Party chats are for 7 year old kids so that's cool for the 360 but not compatible with the PS3's more mature audience.
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#171 EzcapeTheFate
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"][QUOTE="PressXtoJump"] nah all 360 games can be either played on ps3 pc or wii. the system is irrelevant

Or you can have a 360 and play everything.

Halo/Forza/Gears is not everything. Maybe it's for lems but not for gamers.

Im a gamer and I enjoy them so that pretty much blows your theory out of existence. :cool:
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#172 JohnnyCageMK
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[QUOTE="percuvius2"]

[QUOTE="EzcapeTheFate"] When they are staring at cold hard facts like numbers "LOL Kinect" is all they can comeback with. What sad little games they play.kuraimen

ps3 doesn't even have the power to run multiplats or party chats it's made for doormats.

Party chats are for 7 year old kids so that's cool for the 360 but not compatible with the PS3's more mature audience.

So what you're saying is cows have no friends.
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#173 EzcapeTheFate
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[QUOTE="percuvius2"]

[QUOTE="EzcapeTheFate"] When they are staring at cold hard facts like numbers "LOL Kinect" is all they can comeback with. What sad little games they play.kuraimen

ps3 doesn't even have the power to run multiplats or party chats it's made for doormats.

Party chats are for 7 year old kids so that's cool for the 360 but not compatible with the PS3's more mature audience.

The ability to talk to your friends regardless of what games you are all playing is for 7 year olds? Makes sense.
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#174 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="EzcapeTheFate"][QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"] Or you can have a 360 and play everything.

Halo/Forza/Gears is not everything. Maybe it's for lems but not for gamers.

Im a gamer and I enjoy them so that pretty much blows your theory out of existence. :cool:

I'm disappointed on the Xbox generation version of "gamer". They don't make them like they used to.
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[QUOTE="EzcapeTheFate"] When they are staring at cold hard facts like numbers "LOL Kinect" is all they can comeback with. What sad little games they play.kuraimen

ps3 doesn't even have the power to run multiplats or party chats it's made for doormats.

Party chats are for 7 year old kids so that's cool for the 360 but not compatible with the PS3's more mature audience.

Lack of power is for 7 year old kids the 360 makes matures flip their lids playing ps3 is living on the skids I'd rather rip off my eyelids.

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#176 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="percuvius2"]

ps3 doesn't even have the power to run multiplats or party chats it's made for doormats.

EzcapeTheFate
Party chats are for 7 year old kids so that's cool for the 360 but not compatible with the PS3's more mature audience.

The ability to talk to your friends regardless of what games you are all playing is for 7 year olds? Makes sense.

Who wants to chat while playing? That's like calling someone over the phone while gaming. Real gamers just don't do that, it distracts from the game something casuals don't mind. If you want to play with someone actually play with them or invite them to your house.
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#177 JohnnyCageMK
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Finalstar is your typical PS3 fanboy. Nuff said.
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It's pretty shocking and depressing to see how hard the 360 ended up failing. WHen it was released you could tell it would never be able to compete with the PS3, but it still looked like it would have a few good games every year.

Then all it did was fail.

Eddie-Vedder

it took about a year for the ps3 to get enough high scoring exclusives to match just what the 360 launched with. how was the 360's downfall seen when it released?

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#179 platniumgamer
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be disappointed in the best console ever made? no.

i'm disappointed you don't know how to spell disappointed.

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#180 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

It's pretty shocking and depressing to see how hard the 360 ended up failing. WHen it was released you could tell it would never be able to compete with the PS3, but it still looked like it would have a few good games every year.

Then all it did was fail.

CaseyWegner

it took about a year for the ps3 to get enough high scoring exclusives to match just what the 360 launched with. how was the 360's downfall seen when it released?

Imaging that. Even with two years headstart the PS3 caught up to it and surpass it.
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[QUOTE="EzcapeTheFate"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] Party chats are for 7 year old kids so that's cool for the 360 but not compatible with the PS3's more mature audience.kuraimen
The ability to talk to your friends regardless of what games you are all playing is for 7 year olds? Makes sense.

Who wants to chat while playing? That's like calling someone over the phone while gaming. Real gamers just don't do that, it distracts from the game something casuals don't mind. If you want to play with someone actually play with them or invite them to your house.

Who wants choice? Let them hear my voice! Your excuses are lame and can't fool anyone with a brain!

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="EzcapeTheFate"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] Party chats are for 7 year old kids so that's cool for the 360 but not compatible with the PS3's more mature audience.

The ability to talk to your friends regardless of what games you are all playing is for 7 year olds? Makes sense.

Who wants to chat while playing? That's like calling someone over the phone while gaming. Real gamers just don't do that, it distracts from the game something casuals don't mind. If you want to play with someone actually play with them or invite them to your house.

Clearly you cant multitask and you have no friends.
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

It's pretty shocking and depressing to see how hard the 360 ended up failing. WHen it was released you could tell it would never be able to compete with the PS3, but it still looked like it would have a few good games every year.

Then all it did was fail.

kuraimen

it took about a year for the ps3 to get enough high scoring exclusives to match just what the 360 launched with. how was the 360's downfall seen when it released?

Imaging that. Even with two years headstart the PS3 caught up to it and surpass it.

it didn't have a 2 year head start. exclusives were released during the ps3's first year.

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[QUOTE="EzcapeTheFate"][QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="EzcapeTheFate"] The ability to talk to your friends regardless of what games you are all playing is for 7 year olds? Makes sense.

Who wants to chat while playing? That's like calling someone over the phone while gaming. Real gamers just don't do that, it distracts from the game something casuals don't mind. If you want to play with someone actually play with them or invite them to your house.

Clearly you cant multitask and you have no friends.

Lol that's what they call it nowadays? multitasking. I guess kids with ADHD can't even concentrate for a while on games made for sugar junkies, they need to be insulting their tvs too lol. My friends come over like normal people.
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[QUOTE="EzcapeTheFate"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] Halo/Forza/Gears is not everything. Maybe it's for lems but not for gamers.kuraimen
Im a gamer and I enjoy them so that pretty much blows your theory out of existence. :cool:

I'm disappointed on the Xbox generation version of "gamer". They don't make them like they used to.

Yes, gamers are supposed to act like Thurston Howell the 3rd "Lovey let's play Killzone now."

Because being able to actually COMMUNICATE with other human beings is a bad thing.

That's why Sony created PS Home where people show up just to trash talk on the Mic, because they're so "mature."

Face it, Sony fell way behind in the tech race, put out inferior product, and only fanboys like you support it.

I like my 360 but I'm not a Microsoft supporter, I'd be happy if they went bankrupt but I don't think that's happening.

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#186 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

it took about a year for the ps3 to get enough high scoring exclusives to match just what the 360 launched with. how was the 360's downfall seen when it released?

CaseyWegner

Imaging that. Even with two years headstart the PS3 caught up to it and surpass it.

it didn't have a 2 year head start. exclusives were released during the ps3's first year.

Well not high scoring (according to you) so with two years less they delivered more high scoring exclusives than the entire 360 lifetime.
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Very, it started off great but the exclusive releases are on autopilot (and scarce) and putting everything including multiplayer behind a gold wall just reduces my desire to even turn on the thing besides for some pc streaming and the occasional SP multiplat.
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Here's kuraimen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIaivFWG5Ro
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="EzcapeTheFate"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] Who wants to chat while playing? That's like calling someone over the phone while gaming. Real gamers just don't do that, it distracts from the game something casuals don't mind. If you want to play with someone actually play with them or invite them to your house.

Clearly you cant multitask and you have no friends.

Lol that's what they call it nowadays? multitasking. I guess kids with ADHD can't even concentrate for a while on games made for sugar junkies, they need to be insulting their tvs too lol. My friends come over like normal people.

What about your out of state friends? Oh you probably have never left the dust bowl town you were born in so never mind.
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#190 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="EzcapeTheFate"]Im a gamer and I enjoy them so that pretty much blows your theory out of existence. :cool:ZombieKiller7

I'm disappointed on the Xbox generation version of "gamer". They don't make them like they used to.

Yes, gamers are supposed to act like Thurston Howell the 3rd "Lovey let's play Killzone now."

Because being able to actually COMMUNICATE with other human beings is a bad thing.

That's why Sony created PS Home where people show up just to trash talk on the Mic, because they're so "mature."

Face it, Sony fell way behind in the tech race, put out inferior product, and only fanboys like you support it.

I like my 360 but I'm not a Microsoft supporter, I'd be happy if they went bankrupt but I don't think that's happening.

If I want to communicate with people I take my time and talk to them I don't start playing and video game and call them on the phone in the middle of it.
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#191 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"]Here's kuraimen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIaivFWG5Ro

A 7 year old level joke. Wouldn't expect more from a lem.
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Very, it started off great but the exclusive releases are on autopilot (and scarce) and putting everything including multiplayer behind a gold wall just reduces my desire to even turn on the thing besides for some pc streaming and the occasional SP multiplat.FIipMode

I want your sig as my wallpaper.

Can you help me find it?

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#193 ZombieKiller7
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"] I'm disappointed on the Xbox generation version of "gamer". They don't make them like they used to.kuraimen

Yes, gamers are supposed to act like Thurston Howell the 3rd "Lovey let's play Killzone now."

Because being able to actually COMMUNICATE with other human beings is a bad thing.

That's why Sony created PS Home where people show up just to trash talk on the Mic, because they're so "mature."

Face it, Sony fell way behind in the tech race, put out inferior product, and only fanboys like you support it.

I like my 360 but I'm not a Microsoft supporter, I'd be happy if they went bankrupt but I don't think that's happening.

If I want to communicate with people I take my time and talk to them I don't start playing and video game and call them on the phone in the middle of it.

What if they're on your team?

There is a time honored tradition of communication in multiplayer.

And anyway I think you are missing the point.

Sony didn't fail to implement because it wasn't wanted or needed, they failed to implement because they ran out of RAM, and technically they just couldn't pull it off.

In other words, MS pulled off on the 360 what Sony couldn't on the PS3.

And if you ask me they did it in lots of ways, not just voice comms but also matchmaking, connectivity, online security, and a whole host of things.

Don't hate, just saying.

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#194 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"] Clearly you cant multitask and you have no friends.

Lol that's what they call it nowadays? multitasking. I guess kids with ADHD can't even concentrate for a while on games made for sugar junkies, they need to be insulting their tvs too lol. My friends come over like normal people.

What about your out of state friends? Oh you probably have never left the dust bowl town you were born in so never mind.

Lol my country is very small we don't have the "out of state" problem. But I have friends living in other countries and when I want to talk to them I call them, I don't start playing a game and then call them. That would be dumb.
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#195 KC_Hokie
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No...one of my favorite consoles of all generations.
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#196 EzcapeTheFate
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[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] I'm disappointed on the Xbox generation version of "gamer". They don't make them like they used to.kuraimen

Yes, gamers are supposed to act like Thurston Howell the 3rd "Lovey let's play Killzone now."

Because being able to actually COMMUNICATE with other human beings is a bad thing.

That's why Sony created PS Home where people show up just to trash talk on the Mic, because they're so "mature."

Face it, Sony fell way behind in the tech race, put out inferior product, and only fanboys like you support it.

I like my 360 but I'm not a Microsoft supporter, I'd be happy if they went bankrupt but I don't think that's happening.

If I want to communicate with people I take my time and talk to them I don't start playing and video game and call them on the phone in the middle of it.

How can you not talk to and game at the same time seriously? Does your mom make your lunch and tie your shoes for you before you head off to preschool? lmao at your excuses :lol: whats wrong with these PS3 kidz?
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#197 kuraimen
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[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

Yes, gamers are supposed to act like Thurston Howell the 3rd "Lovey let's play Killzone now."

Because being able to actually COMMUNICATE with other human beings is a bad thing.

That's why Sony created PS Home where people show up just to trash talk on the Mic, because they're so "mature."

Face it, Sony fell way behind in the tech race, put out inferior product, and only fanboys like you support it.

I like my 360 but I'm not a Microsoft supporter, I'd be happy if they went bankrupt but I don't think that's happening.

ZombieKiller7

If I want to communicate with people I take my time and talk to them I don't start playing and video game and call them on the phone in the middle of it.

What if they're on your team?

There is a time honored tradition of communication in multiplayer.

And anyway I think you are missing the point.

Sony didn't fail to implement because it wasn't wanted or needed, they failed to implement because they ran out of RAM, and technically they just couldn't pull it off.

In other words, MS pulled off on the 360 what Sony couldn't on the PS3.

And if you ask me they did it in lots of ways, not just voice comms but also matchmaking, connectivity, online security, and a whole host of things.

Don't hate, just saying.

Oh in multiplayer that's different. If you're playing with the person then it makes sense to communicate but you can do that with the PS3 too or on the PC. But talking to random people while playing a game wtf? are kids nowadays not able to stay focused even when gaming?? lol
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#198 kingtito
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Same old threads by the same old morons. We get it!!!!!! You don't like MS or the 360. Time to come up with something new and orginal to bash MS with. These threads are boring and do nothing more than make PS fans look like fools.

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#199 Chutebox
Member since 2007 • 51581 Posts

I am. Only really good game to me was Alan Wake.

Many others love the exclusives it offers though, so more power to them.

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#200 fadersdream
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[QUOTE="percuvius2"]

[QUOTE="EzcapeTheFate"] When they are staring at cold hard facts like numbers "LOL Kinect" is all they can comeback with. What sad little games they play.kuraimen

ps3 doesn't even have the power to run multiplats or party chats it's made for doormats.

Party chats are for 7 year old kids so that's cool for the 360 but not compatible with the PS3's more mature audience.

This!!! There is nothing I love in system wars MORE than cows claiming that they are better for NOT having something. "I didn't want it anyway" sits in corner and pouts.