they should have just let the series die with dignity after the first one.
well not series, I guess it would have just been a game then.
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they should have just let the series die with dignity after the first one.
well not series, I guess it would have just been a game then.
[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]
Great... another GTA rip-off. :roll:
Ricardomz
But Mafia gets the job done unlike Saints Row and Just Cause.
Just Cause 2 is an amazing game.[QUOTE="RageQuitter69"]
Yes, Mafia II was a misunderstood mastepeice, critics bashed it for not being similar to GTA (and if it was, critics still would have bashed it for being similar to GTA), poor 2k made a mastepeice and it didn't stand a chance of getting the critial reception it deserved. Maifa II should have been a lesson to Bioware and Hideo Kojima on how to actually make cinemetic GAMES and not overpriced movies with PS3 and Xbox 360 written on the cover. I hope Mafia III is another masterpeice and I hope this time it not only gets the critical reception it deserves, I also hope that it raises the painfully low bar for cinematic games.
GunSmith1_basic
cinematic, fine, but then it should at least just admit it and run with that distinction. So many call it a GTA clone or compare it to GTA, but its not even in the same genre. Mafia games should be compared to its true peers: games like Uncharted. The open world in Mafia 2 was a lot of wasted effort. Take2 put an open world in the Mafia series because it wants to pretend to be more like GTA, like they are above games like Uncharted or something. It is a bold-faced lie to consumers, telling them that they will enter a living 1940s city and take part in an adventure of that time period. An open world should be more than just buildings, traffic, and pedestrians. It requires content, both in quality and quantity for it to work. I would say that even GTA4 was lacking but at least there was something decent to remember there. At least they tried.
The people that say that Mafia 2 was better than any GTA probably just prefer games in the Uncharted genre. They need good stories and cinematics. That's just not the appeal of GTA. The reason why so many people are upset about Mafia 2 is because it is based on that lie. They should just drop the open world just like No More Heroes did.
I think the problem is that either way, it has issues.
Compared to kinear, setpiece focused games like Uncharted and Gears of War, the combat mechanics are rather stale. The cover system is sticky, you can't blindfire or vault, and there is very little freedom throughout the levels. The story itself is also nothing really noteworthy, the production values and cinematics are top notch, but the writing is stale and cliche and I think only the set pieces stand out.
The open world aspect on the other hand, is just highly unnecessary. If they excised the world entirely and made it the linear game it is trying to be, I bet the actual combat and story would get more of the love the deserve. The driving mechanics are stiff and you have less in the way of cars and abilities at your disposal then in GTA (where you can shoot out of your car), and the game even teases by letting you rob stores and cars and store them, hinting at what should be a more elaborate world.
Mafia II isn't bad, but it is like the unfortunate mix of GTA and Uncharted that ends up having no strengths, just feeling watered down compared to both in it's mechanics. I don't hate it, but I feel like being apologetic about it will just make the series keep the flaws going forward, instead of improving on both aspects or making a choice on what it wants to be.
[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]
Great... another GTA rip-off. :roll:
Ricardomz
But Mafia gets the job done unlike Saints Row and Just Cause.
Saints Row 2 and The Third are actually fun additions to their respective genres. Mafia 2 has nothing worth while to deliver as an action game or as a crime drama. Frankly it's a game for people who completely ignore the countless better crime dramas done in other mediums.absolutely. the first is still one of my all time favorite games and, despite a disappointingly abrupt ending, mafia 2 was still an awesome game.
[QUOTE="Ricardomz"][QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]
Great... another GTA rip-off. :roll:
jg4xchamp
But Mafia gets the job done unlike Saints Row and Just Cause.
Saints Row 2 and The Third are actually fun additions to their respective genres. Mafia 2 has nothing worth while to deliver as an action game or as a crime drama. Frankly it's a game for people who completely ignore the countless better crime dramas done in other mediums. Did you mean Just Cause 2 and Saint's Row: The Third? :?Yahtzee Croshaw already echoed my problems various times in his Zero Punctuation and Extra Punctuation stuff, but the Mafia games are just kind of generic. The story is incredibly dull and overdone (CRIME DOES NOT PAY!!!), the voice acting and characters are cliches I saw all the way back in GTA III in 2001, the gunplay and driving are not great and actually rather dull and average compared to the more exciting driving and gunplay of GTA and Saints Row, and at the end of the day the actual city and activities are dull and there's nothing to do in either game except move forth to the next objective and maybe spend a few hours driving around and padding the length. It's like if they made Uncharted 2 open world, but changed nothing except to pad the length by making you drive from point to point in Nepal.
I mean, I'm very hopeful for Mafia III, but the first two were small fish in a pond full of various types of much better and worse fish, and just kind of ignored as a result of being so overwhelmingly average, dull and uncompelling. It doesn't help that even the missions don't do anything better despite being the only part of the world where you do anything, it's still a painfully linear slog of shooting, one moment in particular that stands out is when you have to perform a hotel hit. In GTA IV, when you have to kill someone in a hotel, you get a damn choice on how you approach it and how you escape the situation, along with some cool moments thrown in. In Mafia II, you have to follow the instructions on screen and move forward and do exactly as the game says while being held by the nose like somebody who has never played a game.
Ok I guess that's the end of my rant, but in short, I just think Mafia needs to choose what it wants to be. Even if it's going to be another linear game in an open world, they should at least give me characters and a story I care about and not some caricature of every crime movie I've ever seen.
SPYDER0416
When you say "all the way back in 2001" you realise that Mafia was barely released a whole year after GTA III right? I think you have to look at how the story was told back then. It takes a lot of time to tell its story and the tone, mood and feel of the characters and story is completely different from the GTA series.
You're really going to compare a game that has cars authentic to the period with something in modern times? I think thats pretty unfair.
And the first game wasn't ignored either. A lot of people consider it a PC cIassic.
Say what you like about the second game though - its horrible.
[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="Ricardomz"]Saints Row 2 and The Third are actually fun additions to their respective genres. Mafia 2 has nothing worth while to deliver as an action game or as a crime drama. Frankly it's a game for people who completely ignore the countless better crime dramas done in other mediums. Did you mean Just Cause 2 and Saint's Row: The Third? :? I don't care for Just Cause 2. I only meant Saints Row 2 and Saints Row The Third. As a response to "mafia gets the job done unlike Saints Row". As games go, the saints row games have been better, only the original Mafia can lay claim to a pretty good plotline. And I question how well that's held up until now. I remember being very high on Tommy.But Mafia gets the job done unlike Saints Row and Just Cause.
DarkLink77
[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] I don't care for Just Cause 2. I only meant Saints Row 2 and Saints Row The Third. As a response to "mafia gets the job done unlike Saints Row". As games go, the saints row games have been better, only the original Mafia can lay claim to a pretty good plotline. And I question how well that's held up until now. I remember being very high on Tommy. jg4xchampWas this before your "Aljosalolvideogamestories" stage or after? Way before. Are you as hardcore about it as Aljosa is, The Masterpiece aside?
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