Anyone else sick of hearing about Nintendo's crap?

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[QUOTE="TOAO_Cyrus1"]Also most of their franchises haven't changed in over ten years since the early N64 days with Metroid being the exception. Thats hasn't changed in 5 years.TOAO_Cyrus1

Congratulations, you officially don't know what you're talking about!

They all have the same basic platforming gameplay with the exact same characters. Its just lazyness on Nintendos part.

Just the kind of ignorant rhetoric I'd expect from someone who says Nintendo hasn't made a new IP since the SNES.

[QUOTE="TOAO_Cyrus1"][QUOTE="Hoffgod"]

[QUOTE="TOAO_Cyrus1"]Also most of their franchises haven't changed in over ten years since the early N64 days with Metroid being the exception. Thats hasn't changed in 5 years.Hoffgod

Congratulations, you officially don't know what you're talking about!

They all have the same basic platforming gameplay with the exact same characters. Its just lazyness on Nintendos part.

Just the kind of ignorant rhetoric I'd expect from someone who says Nintendo hasn't made a new IP since the SNES.

Name a SUCCESSFUL new non spinoff franchise since the SNES. And platformers have changed about as much as FPS over the years which is very little. Still the same jumping around and collecting coins and stars and powerups.

Most genras havent changed much but its nice to get a brand new prespective once in a while.

They make them because people like them. They make them because people buy them. They continue to get great reviews, so what is the problem? When people like games, they ask for sequels, the same with movies and books, music and everything else too. It isnt Nintendo's fault that some of their series are so old, they still add new a fresh ideas and concepts into their games. Oh, but the trolls look at everything they do as one gimmick or another....

But the cows are fine with Final Fantasy and the 13 games in development in that series right now, not to mention all the other ones made in the past. Mega Man, King of Fighters, Mortal Kombat....the list goes on. Why does only Nintendo, the only consistent developer of quality titles in these "over used" franchises catch the heat? So, they are a first party, so what. People want the games, they are a business, they do what their customers ask for.

And it really is a joke when IGN or GS blasts Nintendo for making too many of the same games when they beg for a new Zelda or a new SSB game. Make up your minds!

Name a SUCCESSFUL new non spinoff franchise since the SNES. And platformers have changed about as much as FPS over the years which is very little. Still the same jumping around and collecting coins and stars and powerups. TOAO_Cyrus1

[QUOTE="Hoffgod"]

[QUOTE="TOAO_Cyrus1"]Also most of their franchises haven't changed in over ten years since the early N64 days with Metroid being the exception. Thats hasn't changed in 5 years.TOAO_Cyrus1

Congratulations, you officially don't know what you're talking about!

They all have the same basic platforming gameplay with the exact same characters. Its just lazyness on Nintendos part.

is that because they're part of the platforming genre? I mean common, take weapons out of ratchet and clank and what do you have? not ratchet and clank thats for sure and they have so many games already for only being on the ps2 and psp, soon ps3. these are franchises and new concepts are always introduced. the mario games themselves have changed the way games were played (see super mario bros and mario 64). dont complain and the genre and the characters because nintendo's big franchises(NOT the spinoffs) are few in each gen (only one mario per gen) and they usually deliver.

[QUOTE="TOAO_Cyrus1"]Name a SUCCESSFUL new non spinoff franchise since the SNES. And platformers have changed about as much as FPS over the years which is very little. Still the same jumping around and collecting coins and stars and powerups. Hoffgod

Ok one handheld game that came out the same year the N64 was released.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="anti-xbox"]

Mario has got to be the most overused videogames

Vyyral

(cough) Final Fantasy (cough)

Robitussin.

And by the way, you realize every Final Fantasy has a new world and characters, as well as altered gameplay. It's hardly the same as Mario, which always has the same characters and usually the same plot.

Don't get me wrong, I like the Mario and Zelda games as much as anyone, but don't bring Final Fantasy into this just because of the number 13. They are all completely different!

Something like this completely pisses me off. It shows how close-minded people can be. People say that Nintendo is lazy for developing Mario games over and over again, yet we get no complaints about Madden or NHL or FF or MGS. Why aren't you complaining about any EA sports franchise if your complaining about Mario? The EA sports series have barely evolved, they release one each year and all it pretty much is is a roster update and new coat of paint. Yet, they sell millions of games a year, and no one is making stupid threads bashing EA about it, now are they? Anyways, you cannot count spin-offs as Nintendo's games. Those spin-offs are made by third party developers who have licensed Mario to make those games. Nintendo doesn't go up and ask them to make it (I think), third parties go to Nintendo to ask them to use their characters because their so popular. Overall, there have only been 9 real Mario games, and that spans over 6 systems which is not a lot. There have been around 15 Zelda games, over about 9 different systems which shows that Nintendo is not pumping them out like nothing. The fact that they take so long shows how dedicated they are to making a good game. They could always just release the game, while it being very unpolished to make money, but they spend there time. You know what upsets me the most? Nintendo is one of the best developers on the market, yet they get all this negative criticism because close-minded people take one look at th Mario and/or Zelda games and brand them as rehashes, with very little to offer. Yet, there are tons of devs who get praise for making them same game over and over again. Please, take your rampant fanboyism out of System Wars and go play some of the new Mario's. They're challenging, creative, interesting, unique and most importantly fun. Please, stop being biased and go try it out.luigigreen

If you read my posts I am not complaining about sequals but the fact the nintendo does nothing BUT sequals. I dunno about the TC though.

Other publishers make new hit games why cant nintendo?

[QUOTE="Hoffgod"][QUOTE="TOAO_Cyrus1"][QUOTE="Hoffgod"]

[QUOTE="TOAO_Cyrus1"]Also most of their franchises haven't changed in over ten years since the early N64 days with Metroid being the exception. Thats hasn't changed in 5 years.TOAO_Cyrus1

Congratulations, you officially don't know what you're talking about!

They all have the same basic platforming gameplay with the exact same characters. Its just lazyness on Nintendos part.

Just the kind of ignorant rhetoric I'd expect from someone who says Nintendo hasn't made a new IP since the SNES.

Name a SUCCESSFUL new non spinoff franchise since the SNES. And platformers have changed about as much as FPS over the years which is very little. Still the same jumping around and collecting coins and stars and powerups.

Most genras havent changed much but its nice to get a brand new prespective once in a while.

successful? how about pikmin or brain age, maybe even nintendogs.

I don't think Nintendos first party games are the problem here.

How people can dogg on Zelda or Mario is beyond me. SMB SM64 and Lttp and OoT are some of the best games ever made...

IMO its the crappy third party games that are being announced for Wii that are the real problem.

They have made new ip's, and are making new ip's. But no one talks about them as much.

Anyway, there is nothing wrong with talking about good games and/or series.

Mario has got to be the most overused videogames, I mean, its the same concept every game, same story every game. And Zelda is almost as bad. For the most part Nintendo brings cartoony games like zelda, mario, pokemon, DK, and others. they just take them and run them into the ground again and again and again...GET SOME NEW GAMES NINTENDO

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like it or not mario is the best system seller on the planet. just knowing he is coming makes ppl buy the system.

[QUOTE="Hoffgod"][QUOTE="TOAO_Cyrus1"]Name a SUCCESSFUL new non spinoff franchise since the SNES. And platformers have changed about as much as FPS over the years which is very little. Still the same jumping around and collecting coins and stars and powerups. TOAO_Cyrus1

Ok one handheld game that came out the same year the N64 was released.

Pikmin.

We only get 1 mario 3D platformer a gen. Mario 64, Mario Sunshine, and Mario Galaxy completely different games.

Ocarina of Time, Majoras Mask, and Wind Waker completely different games. TP was to much like OOT. but alot longer, more sidequests, and a different story.

We havent had a DK platformer since N64.

Pokemon actually is annoying on consoles.

Metroid Prime, Battallion Wars, Kirby,Pikmin, Animal Crossing, Starfox, Fzero,Smash Bros, Fire Emblem, Disaster(new ip), and Project Hammer(new ip) all say no.

As long as the games are good than it doesnt matter if they are cartoony or mature. Most Nintendo games are very,very,very good. with the exception of mario party, mario sports, and pokemon 3D games. mainly because the mario sports and party games are 2nd party and not inhouse Nintendo games. and pokemon because they refuse to do anything else other than a stadium game.

so yeah bad logic.

[QUOTE="Hoffgod"][QUOTE="TOAO_Cyrus1"]Name a SUCCESSFUL new non spinoff franchise since the SNES. And platformers have changed about as much as FPS over the years which is very little. Still the same jumping around and collecting coins and stars and powerups. TOAO_Cyrus1

Ok one handheld game that came out the same year the N64 was released.

Okay. Not satisfied? Here's another: Pikmin.

EDIT: Darn, beat to it by DaAznSaN.

I don't think Nintendos first party games are the problem here.

How people can dogg on Zelda or Mario is beyond me. SMB SM64 and Lttp and OoT are some of the best games ever made...

IMO its the crappy third party games that are being announced for Wii that are the real problem.

Trading_Zoner

3rd Party is a problem hell it is the problem.

[QUOTE="luigigreen"]Something like this completely pisses me off. It shows how close-minded people can be. People say that Nintendo is lazy for developing Mario games over and over again, yet we get no complaints about Madden or NHL or FF or MGS. Why aren't you complaining about any EA sports franchise if your complaining about Mario? The EA sports series have barely evolved, they release one each year and all it pretty much is is a roster update and new coat of paint. Yet, they sell millions of games a year, and no one is making stupid threads bashing EA about it, now are they? Anyways, you cannot count spin-offs as Nintendo's games. Those spin-offs are made by third party developers who have licensed Mario to make those games. Nintendo doesn't go up and ask them to make it (I think), third parties go to Nintendo to ask them to use their characters because their so popular. Overall, there have only been 9 real Mario games, and that spans over 6 systems which is not a lot. There have been around 15 Zelda games, over about 9 different systems which shows that Nintendo is not pumping them out like nothing. The fact that they take so long shows how dedicated they are to making a good game. They could always just release the game, while it being very unpolished to make money, but they spend there time. You know what upsets me the most? Nintendo is one of the best developers on the market, yet they get all this negative criticism because close-minded people take one look at th Mario and/or Zelda games and brand them as rehashes, with very little to offer. Yet, there are tons of devs who get praise for making them same game over and over again. Please, take your rampant fanboyism out of System Wars and go play some of the new Mario's. They're challenging, creative, interesting, unique and most importantly fun. Please, stop being biased and go try it out.TOAO_Cyrus1

If you read my posts I am not complaining about sequals but the fact the nintendo does nothing BUT sequals. I dunno about the TC though.

Other publishers make new hit games why cant nintendo?

I don't think Nintendos first party games are the problem here.

How people can dogg on Zelda or Mario is beyond me. SMB SM64 and Lttp and OoT are some of the best games ever made...

IMO its the crappy third party games that are being announced for Wii that are the real problem.

Trading_Zoner

[QUOTE="TOAO_Cyrus1"]

[QUOTE="Hoffgod"][QUOTE="TOAO_Cyrus1"]Name a SUCCESSFUL new non spinoff franchise since the SNES. And platformers have changed about as much as FPS over the years which is very little. Still the same jumping around and collecting coins and stars and powerups. DaAznSaN

Ok one handheld game that came out the same year the N64 was released.

Pikmin.

ooo and animal crossing

[QUOTE="Vyyral"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="anti-xbox"]

Mario has got to be the most overused videogames

Blackbond

(cough) Final Fantasy (cough)

Robitussin.

And by the way, you realize every Final Fantasy has a new world and characters, as well as altered gameplay. It's hardly the same as Mario, which always has the same characters and usually the same plot.

Don't get me wrong, I like the Mario and Zelda games as much as anyone, but don't bring Final Fantasy into this just because of the number 13. They are all completely different!

Final Fantasy games are all the same RPGs, the same concept, practically the same way of playing the game.

Mario at least branches out into Tennis, Baseball, Golf, Kart Racing, Partying, Platforming, Dancing and what ever the hell he does these days. Final Fantasy is my second favorite game series after Zelda but they beat Final Fantasy to death. I don't care if they are the different stories worlds or whatever. You act as if each Mario game takes place in the Mushroom Kingdom. Another Final Fantasy is just another RPG. At least Mario branches out. Remakes, Ports, and Spinoffs. Oh yeah did I mention you actually occassionally get a numbered game every now and then? Horray! Seriously though Final Fantasy is the King of Milkage. They have more Final Fantasy games coming out then Megaman and Mario combined. So I don't wanna hear you defend Square Enix on this and I'm sure as hell not defending Mario or Nintendo. But at least Nintendo is giving me a diverse library of experiences to play.

All Square Enix gives me is DQ, FF, the spinoff/remake/ports oh and yeah Last Remenant :roll:

We aren't talking about spinoff Mario series, though. Sure, Square really milks the Final Fantasy name badly with all of the remakes and spinoffs, but the actual main series is much more varied in terms of world, story, and game mechanics than the main Mario franchise.

Besides, I could do without "Final Fantasy at the Olympics!" and "Dragon Quest: Go-Karts!". Not saying I hate Mario spinoffs, but square should stick to what they're good at, RPGs.

Robitussin.

And by the way, you realize every Final Fantasy has a new world and characters, as well as altered gameplay. It's hardly the same as Mario, which always has the same characters and usually the same plot.

Don't get me wrong, I like the Mario and Zelda games as much as anyone, but don't bring Final Fantasy into this just because of the number 13. They are all completely different!

Vyyral

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="Vyyral"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="anti-xbox"]

Mario has got to be the most overused videogames

Vyyral

(cough) Final Fantasy (cough)

Robitussin.

And by the way, you realize every Final Fantasy has a new world and characters, as well as altered gameplay. It's hardly the same as Mario, which always has the same characters and usually the same plot.

Don't get me wrong, I like the Mario and Zelda games as much as anyone, but don't bring Final Fantasy into this just because of the number 13. They are all completely different!

Final Fantasy games are all the same RPGs, the same concept, practically the same way of playing the game.

Mario at least branches out into Tennis, Baseball, Golf, Kart Racing, Partying, Platforming, Dancing and what ever the hell he does these days. Final Fantasy is my second favorite game series after Zelda but they beat Final Fantasy to death. I don't care if they are the different stories worlds or whatever. You act as if each Mario game takes place in the Mushroom Kingdom. Another Final Fantasy is just another RPG. At least Mario branches out. Remakes, Ports, and Spinoffs. Oh yeah did I mention you actually occassionally get a numbered game every now and then? Horray! Seriously though Final Fantasy is the King of Milkage. They have more Final Fantasy games coming out then Megaman and Mario combined. So I don't wanna hear you defend Square Enix on this and I'm sure as hell not defending Mario or Nintendo. But at least Nintendo is giving me a diverse library of experiences to play.

All Square Enix gives me is DQ, FF, the spinoff/remake/ports oh and yeah Last Remenant :roll:

We aren't talking about spinoff Mario series, though. Sure, Square really milks the Final Fantasy name badly with all of the remakes and spinoffs, but the actual main series is much more varied in terms of world, story, and game mechanics than the main Mario franchise.

Besides, I could do without "Final Fantasy at the Olympics!" and "Dragon Quest: Go-Karts!". Not saying I hate Mario spinoffs, but square should stick to what they're good at, RPGs.

Mario gets new items and new gameplay features every game. Final Fantasy gets a different spells, different characts, and a different story on how to destroy the planet and then have it saved. The game mechanics are more varied in a Mario "Platformer" then they are in a Final Fantasy game which has stayed tried in true to its random battle combat system until FFXII. Wow I can't believe I just said the gameplay in Mario has gone through more changes then Final Fantasy :|

Mario has got to be the most overused videogames, I mean, its the same concept every game, same story every game. And Zelda is almost as bad. For the most part Nintendo brings cartoony games like zelda, mario, pokemon, DK, and others. they just take them and run them into the ground again and again and again...GET SOME NEW GAMES NINTENDO

anti-xbox

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="Vyyral"][QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="anti-xbox"]

Mario has got to be the most overused videogames

Vyyral

(cough) Final Fantasy (cough)

Robitussin.

And by the way, you realize every Final Fantasy has a new world and characters, as well as altered gameplay. It's hardly the same as Mario, which always has the same characters and usually the same plot.

Don't get me wrong, I like the Mario and Zelda games as much as anyone, but don't bring Final Fantasy into this just because of the number 13. They are all completely different!

Final Fantasy games are all the same RPGs, the same concept, practically the same way of playing the game.

Mario at least branches out into Tennis, Baseball, Golf, Kart Racing, Partying, Platforming, Dancing and what ever the hell he does these days. Final Fantasy is my second favorite game series after Zelda but they beat Final Fantasy to death. I don't care if they are the different stories worlds or whatever. You act as if each Mario game takes place in the Mushroom Kingdom. Another Final Fantasy is just another RPG. At least Mario branches out. Remakes, Ports, and Spinoffs. Oh yeah did I mention you actually occassionally get a numbered game every now and then? Horray! Seriously though Final Fantasy is the King of Milkage. They have more Final Fantasy games coming out then Megaman and Mario combined. So I don't wanna hear you defend Square Enix on this and I'm sure as hell not defending Mario or Nintendo. But at least Nintendo is giving me a diverse library of experiences to play.

All Square Enix gives me is DQ, FF, the spinoff/remake/ports oh and yeah Last Remenant :roll:

We aren't talking about spinoff Mario series, though. Sure, Square really milks the Final Fantasy name badly with all of the remakes and spinoffs, but the actual main series is much more varied in terms of world, story, and game mechanics than the main Mario franchise.

Besides, I could do without "Final Fantasy at the Olympics!" and "Dragon Quest: Go-Karts!". Not saying I hate Mario spinoffs, but square should stick to what they're good at, RPGs.

I love how sheep defend rehash ninendo games.

Super Mario sunshine was horrible btw.

LP_beats_Led_Z

Sunshine was a great game, not as good a 64 but still great. And LP> Led Zeppelin? :lol:

I don't get it. There was ONE main mario game that came out last gen: SMS.

Now I like Paper Mario and Mario Kart BUT THEY ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT GAMES. Anyone who says they're the same thing OBVIOUSLY has not played them.

It'd be like someone saying "NOT ANOTHER STAR WARS, IT'S LIKE STAR WARS 1000!" when george lucus release episode 3, just because of the loads of comics, novels, and cartoon shows that come out.

yeah...I don't like Nintendo 1st party titles eitherchikenfriedrice

Unfortunately if you own a Wii, that cuts your choice of games in about half.

thank u. NIntendo 1st/2nd party stuff is great. WE know those games will be good. its those 3rd party games that are either guaranteed crap, look promising, or somewhere in the middle where it could go either way.jg4xchamp

How is that different from every third party game on every console ever made.