Anyone else think Co-op is hurting gaming?

It's not the co-op that marks the departure in Resident Evil, it just emphasizes the changes the series has made with 4. Your main character is already too strong for Resident Evil without co-op.

Co-op could be made in a non-online game like Outbreak that wasn't mind numbingly difficult.

Then again, I can't imagine the original games with co-op.

Meaningful coop design is a major plus. E.g. Gears of War, Left 4 Dead. Tacked on is a major minus. *COUGH COUGH* Halo 3 4 player.skrat_01

What was wrong with the 4 player coop of Halo 3? I have a blast playing through the campaign on legendary and rolling in two warthogs with my best buds, tearing up the covenant. And then theirs the meta game, where you can be cooperative and competitive with 3 other people, which is hectic and still a blast.

How was four player coop tacked on, and even if it is, how is it a minus when it is still a blast to play?

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]Co-op is the game mode of the future to me, so long as developers don't short change the other modes. But competitive multiplayer is a zero sum game. One side wins, one side loses. That means its likely one side really had fun and the other didn't. Co-op on the other hand is a possible positive sum game. Both sides can win and enjoy it.Aljosa23

On topic, games with mandatory co-op are hurting some games and helping them at the same time, if you know what I mean. :?

[QUOTE="Xalaten"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] There are shooters that have lengthy single player campaigns. And as for RE5, it seems like they took a logical extension from RE4, which was also a source of complaints for being too different than prior REs. What we are seeing is in effect that gamers will never be happy and will complain about anything that they can.sirk1264

Coop is a great gameplay mode for games if done right, hell my favorite coop game of olden days would have to be Future Cop LAPD, most amount of fun I had coop back then apart from the top down shooters like Loaded and Reloaded.

Can't wait for RE5, the coop is really the only reason I'm getting it for to be able to play through it with a friend will just make it so much better.

Please hear me out.

Ever since 360 shooters like Halo and Gears started popularizing co-op, I've been dissappointed.

Most recently, one of my favorite game franchises of all time, Resident Evil, I feel has been ruined by co-op. It no longer feels like survival horror. I could not stand playing with Sheva in the demo. It just didn't feel like a Resident Evil game and this is probably the first RE game I won't buy.

I feel like all the development time being put into some shooters to put in co-op has also lowered the play time of single player campaigns, the main reason I play shooters.

Look, I LOVE competitive multiplayer online, but that has always been around. If I want to play a game with friends though, I'll go out and shoot 36 holes of golf or play some basketball. I simply feel like single player games, especially shooters, are going to start becoming shorter and less focused as co-op becomes more and more popular. Hell, it's already apparently a crime if you don't put co op in your shooters according to many reviewers of Killzone 2. How long before even more beloved franchises are completely changed because developers feel like they're being forced to put in co op? How about some developers make a game (non rpg) that is more than 6 to 10 hours long without coop? Are single player campaigns going the way of the Dodo?

Xalaten

I know what you mean in regard to RE5. That isolation of your character in the previous games made it that much more enthralling. But it is still a survival shooter, albeit more action-y, but you still have to ration your ammo and there are still horror elements to the game, therefore its still a survival horror, but yes, it isn't the same old RE.

Although I do have to disagree with you in that its a bad thing. I love co-op in general, sharing the experience with my pals. Playing split screen co-op on the RE5 demo there are moments when both my friend and I will be backed into a bad situation and we can both get antsy and feel the tension and laugh, and have good fun. So that feeling that RE usually brings is now shared. I think the majority of co-op games have this effect, and I think its a great thing.

This addition of co - op isn't what making Resident Evil not what you said, it was the changes it down after number 4.

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This addition of co - op isn't what making Resident Evil not what you said, it was the changes it down after number 4.dadoobie

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This addition of co - op isn't what making Resident Evil not what you said, it was the changes it down after number 4.ArisShadows

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[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"]Co-Op practically ruined games like RE5 and Army of two. But in most cases its a welcomed edition.heretrix

It's exact opposite with Army of two. That game is practically unplayable by yourself.

coop is not hurting games it's that dam mp focus with every game trying to put in some half ass mp rather than just focusing on sp. cpd4 has great mp but most game since have terrible mp. coop adds so much to the game, we need more games like l4d, it owns. why is it you can have a great sp game that also has coop for when your mates come round? to me online deathmatches are worthless, but coop is so much fun. Every game having death match and team death match needs to die, we want more coop games. imprezawrx500

To TC:

Co-Op is great, what is really ruining gaming are the gamers themselves. Gamers these days don't understand what a "GENRE" is. If I hate RTSes I don't go and complain at Blizzard until they make a FPS RTS. Why? Because RTSes are freaking RTSes!! But now we have this new breed of gamers, who cant be bothered to learn anything and love being spoon-fed. This new breed of gamer wants every game in every genre to be very similar if not exactly the same so that they dont have to learn anything new. This new breed of gamer is what brought about RE5.

They couldnt understand that the static camera and clunky controls were not archaic, they were actually a very important part of a game genre. No, this new breed of gamer wants every single game, regardless of genre or artistic intent to play exactly like Gears or Halo. With this sentiment quickly rising, we now have a problem. If a dev wants to make as much money as possible, all they have to do is Gears/Halofy their game. Just throw in some Co-Op, some very twitchy controls and you have a winner.

That's whats killing gaming, the fact that gamers want every game to be a Halo/Gears clone. The fact that gamers no longer want to learn anything new, they just want the same experience in a different packaging. The fact that rather than learn a genre, gamers would rather destroy the entire genre just so they can continue to be lazy.

Co-op ruining games? LMAO. Sorry, but this has to be the dumbest post I've seen.doomsoth

[QUOTE="doomsoth"]Co-op ruining games? LMAO. Sorry, but this has to be the dumbest post I've seen.II_Seraphim_II

Co-op is the reason i buy most gamesThe_Last_Ride

Coop is great imo. It makes games that i wouldnt enjoy by myself (Gears of War2, Resistance,Halo, Army Of 2, etc..), enjoyable.

Also COOP was fantastic in games liek Crackdown and Saints Row 2 aswell.

Keep the coop coming!
The Ultimate would be if Crysis 2 has COOP with a friend!

Co-op is great... last week got L4D and its amazing :) already added 5 friends on XBL just from the game... infact lack of co-op is the only thing that disappoints me in KZ2..

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"][QUOTE="doomsoth"]Co-op ruining games? LMAO. Sorry, but this has to be the dumbest post I've seen.doomsoth

I think co-op is a cool feature but I definitely don't think it should be considered a standard feature in every game like some people. I think it's especially lame for a reviewer to complain about a game not having co-op (unless it's a feature of the series), co-op should be a plus if a game has it (if it's done well) but not consider a minus when it doesn't.

Some games just really suit co-op and others definitely don't.