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#1 dc337
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For the pc to return to its former glory days it needs to offer an experience that cannot be had on consoles. Merely being a system that plays select multiplats in a higher resolution is not enough, especially when those multiplats are often delayed or come with limitations (cough splinter cell conviction).

In the past few years that unique experience on the pc has been centered around RTS and fantasy MMOs. What the pc has long needed is a game that has the intensity of a shooter combined with the multiplayer aspects of an MMO that consoles cannot offer. Combine this with a competent development team and you have a winning formula.

APB has this potential. I believe it could attract a lot of gamers that would like to play an MMO but not Warcraft or one of the many clones. It's an ambitious product so it will probably take a few months to get the bugs worked out but I think it could actually spur a lot of pc upgrades. A GTA style MMO will attract gamers regardless of platform.

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#2 deangallop
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I've been looking forward to this game, but the subscription model sounds ridiculous and previews lately havn't been overly positive.

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#3 dc337
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The subscription model is the downside and as I said it will take a few months to get the bugs worked out but it's the same team that worked on Crackdown so I would be optimistic. Crackdown is one of the most underrated shooters on the 360. It look a little weird but the combat is excellent.

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#4 i5750at4Ghz
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If it doesn't have warcraft or star wars in the title it's going to fail. I promise.
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#5 Mystic-G
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Why are people so pushed away from the payment model? $10 a month is not bad at all for a MMO. Not to mention you start with 50 hours of playtime in the action districts.

Unlike other MMOs, this game has a completely different theme to it and not another WoW-copycat. I think that will push sales as long as they market it right.

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#6 Led_poison
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Crackdown was terrible, hell i thought gamespot was too easy on the game and giving it an A, and crackdown is not a shooter :|

Anyway back on topic, no.

If any game that is going to spark a resurgence in PC gaming, its going to be starcraft 2. I know alot of people that going to upgrade their PCs so they can play Starcraft 2 at opitmum (Its not like they need to).

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#7 iBear-
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no way, and crackdown wasnt even that great.

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#8 DoomZaW
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too bad i haven't gotten around to play the beta unfortuneatly :( simply ain't got time this weekend

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#9 Mystic-G
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no way, and crackdown wasnt even that great.

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I didn't realize the game was called World of Crackdown.
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#10 choppindatmeat
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Heard that APB is a buggy mess.
Probably going to be popular for a short bit of time but will just die out.

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#11 Mystic-G
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Heard that APB is a buggy mess.
Probably going to be popular for a short bit of time but will just die out.

choppindatmeat

That's why they're having a continuous beta for it. They picked up a lot of the bugs with the recent beta patch. They just really need to optimize performance.

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#12 lordreaven
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I liked Crackdown. I might give APB a shot if Civ 5 or SW:TOR don't eat all my time.

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It looks like a fail, not to say it won't be any good cause it is interesting, and I don't mind the payment model with the free play-time included. But I think that aside from the Blizz stuff the next big exclusive thing on PC is TOR. I don't see anything wrong with multiplats though, been loving them this gen and that's where gaming is heading, some have downsides on PC but many are also the best versions.
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It looks like a fail, not to say it won't be any good cause it is interesting, and I don't mind the payment model with the free play-time included. But I think that aside from the Blizz stuff the next big exclusive thing on PC is TOR. I don't see anything wrong with multiplats though, been loving them this gen and that's where gaming is heading, some have downsides on PC but many are also the best versions.ManicAce
Eh... TOR doesn't stand much more of a chance than APB I think. It looks like a WoW disguised as Star Wars. If APB doesn't hit the spot then the next big thing will be BF3, whenever that comes.
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[QUOTE="ManicAce"]It looks like a fail, not to say it won't be any good cause it is interesting, and I don't mind the payment model with the free play-time included. But I think that aside from the Blizz stuff the next big exclusive thing on PC is TOR. I don't see anything wrong with multiplats though, been loving them this gen and that's where gaming is heading, some have downsides on PC but many are also the best versions.Mystic-G
Eh... TOR doesn't stand much more of a chance than APB I think. It looks like a WoW disguised as Star Wars. If APB doesn't hit the spot then the next big thing will be BF3, whenever that comes.

That may be exactly why it will do well, as long as it is not a complete soul sucker like wow, I will get it. I would enjoy wow if it did require so much time to do anything worth while. If tor is the same way I wont play it either.

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[QUOTE="ManicAce"]It looks like a fail, not to say it won't be any good cause it is interesting, and I don't mind the payment model with the free play-time included. But I think that aside from the Blizz stuff the next big exclusive thing on PC is TOR. I don't see anything wrong with multiplats though, been loving them this gen and that's where gaming is heading, some have downsides on PC but many are also the best versions.Mystic-G
Eh... TOR doesn't stand much more of a chance than APB I think. It looks like a WoW disguised as Star Wars. If APB doesn't hit the spot then the next big thing will be BF3, whenever that comes.

Star Wars on the title already gives it a headstart, APB just doesn't have the hype even if the game would deliver. TOR won't be big on the wow-scale either but it should stand a better chance than any other MMO. BF3 will be epic whenever it will be, but there's no guarantee of equally epic sales or even exclusivity.
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[QUOTE="Mystic-G"][QUOTE="ManicAce"]It looks like a fail, not to say it won't be any good cause it is interesting, and I don't mind the payment model with the free play-time included. But I think that aside from the Blizz stuff the next big exclusive thing on PC is TOR. I don't see anything wrong with multiplats though, been loving them this gen and that's where gaming is heading, some have downsides on PC but many are also the best versions.Advid-Gamer

Eh... TOR doesn't stand much more of a chance than APB I think. It looks like a WoW disguised as Star Wars. If APB doesn't hit the spot then the next big thing will be BF3, whenever that comes.

That may be exactly why it will do well, as long as it is not a complete soul sucker like wow, I will get it. I would enjoy wow if it did require so much time to do anything worth while. If tor is the same way I wont play it either.

Time has shown WoW-copycats never last long with popularity. The only WoW-like product that could do a 'resurgence' in pc gaming would have to be a Blizzard product.
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#18 i5750at4Ghz
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[QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="Mystic-G"] Eh... TOR doesn't stand much more of a chance than APB I think. It looks like a WoW disguised as Star Wars. If APB doesn't hit the spot then the next big thing will be BF3, whenever that comes. Mystic-G

That may be exactly why it will do well, as long as it is not a complete soul sucker like wow, I will get it. I would enjoy wow if it did require so much time to do anything worth while. If tor is the same way I wont play it either.

Time has shown WoW-copycats never last long with popularity. The only WoW-like product that could do a 'resurgence' in pc gaming would have to be a Blizzard product.

You're wrong.
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#19 KHAndAnime
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The beta sucks, so it won't spark anything.
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#20 Mystic-G
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[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] You're wrong.

Show proof.
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#21 lordreaven
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The thing with TOR is not only does it hav ethe star wars name, it has Bioware behind it. Names sell. And not only that, it depends how the combat sysytem works out, if going KOTOR combat route and leveling the game will attract alot of fans, if going with a WoW combat systemand Leveling, it may lose fans as another WoW clone. It all depends on so many factors that is not even right to critisize it yet.

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#22 i5750at4Ghz
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[QUOTE="Mystic-G"][QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] You're wrong.

Show proof.

Game will be out soon enough.
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If any game that is going to spark a resurgence in PC gaming, its going to be starcraft 2. I know alot of people that going to upgrade their PCs so they can play Starcraft 2 at opitmum (Its not like they need to).

Led_poison

Starcraft 2 is mostly going to be purchased by existing RTS fans. APB has the potential to reach into an audience that currently isn't interested in pc gaming.

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#24 nethernova
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The beta surely didn't impress me.
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[QUOTE="Led_poison"]

Crackdown was terrible, hell i thought gamespot was too easy on the game and giving it an A, and crackdown is not a shooter :|

Anyway back on topic, no.

If any game that is going to spark a resurgence in PC gaming, its going to be starcraft 2. I know alot of people that going to upgrade their PCs so they can play Starcraft 2 at opitmum (Its not like they need to).

probably not, if your a strategy fan you already own a computer for gaming since thats really the only viable option, its been lacking in everything but MMO's and strategy games, so most of the crowds that like other genre's have moved on.
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#26 Masculus
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It could, but the beta is crap so far. They won't release half of whatthey promised.

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#27 lawlessx
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alot of people are saying the beta was a huge disappointment :(
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#28 i5750at4Ghz
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[QUOTE="Led_poison"]If any game that is going to spark a resurgence in PC gaming, its going to be starcraft 2. I know alot of people that going to upgrade their PCs so they can play Starcraft 2 at opitmum (Its not like they need to).

dc337

Starcraft 2 is mostly going to be purchased by existing RTS fans. APB has the potential to reach into an audience that currently isn't interested in pc gaming.

How do you figure?
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It could, but the beta is crap so far. They won't release half of whatthey promised.

Masculus
What did they promise that they aren't delivering?
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#30 PublicNuisance
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What's with needing a resurgence ? PC leads in combined AAAE/AAE/AE games by a very large margin over PS3, 360 or Wii. If you ask me we already are offering experiences that can't be found on consoles as there are so many games that are PC exclusive.

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It could, but the beta is crap so far. They won't release half of whatthey promised.

Masculus

That's what I'm hearing too. Way too much repetitive content, with really horrible car controls.

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Since when did the PC gamin need a resurgence.

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#33 glez13
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Wasn't the beta marked as meh by some?

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Since when did the PC gamin need a resurgence.

madsnakehhh

Living under a rock? Almost of all pc games these days are ports. some are bad ports. Seems most of the time good games are released on pc months after consoles. I dont know why people refuse to see this. Altho I dont think a mmo will bring resurgence.

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APB isnt exactly a great game, Im in the beta its nothing impressive.
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[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

Since when did the PC gamin need a resurgence.

Advid-Gamer

Living under a rock? Almost of all pc games these days are ports. some are bad ports. Seems most of the time good games are released on pc months after consoles. I dont know why people refuse to see this. Altho I dont think a mmo will bring resurgence.

Well, if playing a lot Armored Princess, Company of Heroes and Total War is living under a rock, then yes.

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[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

Since when did the PC gamin need a resurgence.

Advid-Gamer

Living under a rock? Almost of all pc games these days are ports. some are bad ports. Seems most of the time good games are released on pc months after consoles. I dont know why people refuse to see this. Altho I dont think a mmo will bring resurgence.

Not right away but I think if a GTA style MMO took off it could encourage other publishers to bring new types of MMOs to the pc.

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#38 Arach666
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[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

Since when did the PC gamin need a resurgence.

Advid-Gamer

Living under a rock? Almost of all pc games these days are ports. some are bad ports. Seems most of the time good games are released on pc months after consoles. I dont know why people refuse to see this. Altho I dont think a mmo will bring resurgence.

Really? Then please tell me how many of theseare ports.

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[QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

Since when did the PC gamin need a resurgence.

Arach666

Living under a rock? Almost of all pc games these days are ports. some are bad ports. Seems most of the time good games are released on pc months after consoles. I dont know why people refuse to see this. Altho I dont think a mmo will bring resurgence.

Really? Then please tell me how many of theseare ports.

skimmed thu the list, there were a few that looked intristing but none looked like blockbuster games, most will come and go with out anyone noticing. Where are the big blockbusters like crysis or halflife2 for there day? I dont care for rts so most of that list is meh for me.

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"Think" "Could" I think you are more of a console player speculating on pc-ing. Okay I am just judging by the fact that you dont sound so sure, if you think so just say it bro! Anyways.. no I heard APB beta sucks so I am relectant to even try it now. 8gb is huge to download.

PC gaming isnt dying, it just leveled off and not as popular as it used to be. Blizzard and Valve has enough firepower to keep it alive, and besides other countries has pc gaming first as oppose to u.s. console first.

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#41 dc337
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[QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

Since when did the PC gamin need a resurgence.

Arach666

Living under a rock? Almost of all pc games these days are ports. some are bad ports. Seems most of the time good games are released on pc months after consoles. I dont know why people refuse to see this. Altho I dont think a mmo will bring resurgence.

Really? Then please tell me how many of theseare ports.

That list contains games that were also on his 2008 and 2009 lists. What has been the big pc exclusive this year? There isn't one. The big releases on the pc so far this year have been multiplats and AC2 and SCC came with awful restrictions.

But way to prove his point about people refusing to see this.

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[QUOTE="Arach666"]

[QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"]

Living under a rock? Almost of all pc games these days are ports. some are bad ports. Seems most of the time good games are released on pc months after consoles. I dont know why people refuse to see this. Altho I dont think a mmo will bring resurgence.

dc337

Really? Then please tell me how many of theseare ports.

That list contains games that were also on his 2008 and 2009 lists. What has been the big pc exclusive this year? There isn't one. The big releases on the pc so far this year have been multiplats and AC2 and SCC came with awful restrictions.

But way to prove his point about people refusing to see this.

AD brings up a good point about this however, in regards to there being no company to rally the developers to produce big-budget games on PC, a la Sony and their 1st party devs, or MS and their "purchasing" of exclusives. However, that's not to say the PC games haven't changed, as we're obviously seeing an increase in multiplats across *all* systems, and many, many more indie games being released (due to mediums like Steam).

Most big-budget games, unless funded by companies like MS and Sony are going multiplat. In fact, multiplats have been a huge part of this gen, compared to previous gens.

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#43 Arach666
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[QUOTE="Arach666"]

[QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"]

Living under a rock? Almost of all pc games these days are ports. some are bad ports. Seems most of the time good games are released on pc months after consoles. I dont know why people refuse to see this. Altho I dont think a mmo will bring resurgence.

dc337

Really? Then please tell me how many of theseare ports.

That list contains games that were also on his 2008 and 2009 lists. What has been the big pc exclusive this year? There isn't one. The big releases on the pc so far this year have been multiplats and AC2 and SCC came with awful restrictions.

But way to prove his point about people refusing to see this.

The page you see on that list is for 2010 games ONLY. And STALKER CoP,Dawn of War 2 and Napoleon: Total War are what?Multiplats?

The upcoming Starcraft 2,Civilization V,Elemental : War of Magic,Disciples 3,Guild Wars 2,APB,World of Warcraft : Cataclysm,Amnesia: The Dark Descent and Star Wars: ToR are what? Multiplats? These are basically sequels to AA and AAA rated games and all are exclusive.And I could have named at least 10 more that fall under that category.

These are the games that are really interesting to PC gamers,not those"blockbusters" that cost millions and last only for a few hours.

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#44 RyuRanVII
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PC doesn't have any big exclusive titles for this year? Some people just see what they want to see...

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#45 dc337
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AD brings up a good point about this however, in regards to there being no company to rally the developers to produce big-budget games on PC, a la Sony and their 1st party devs, or MS and their "purchasing" of exclusives. However, that's not to say the PC games haven't changed, as we're obviously seeing an increase in multiplats across *all* systems, and many, many more indie games being released (due to mediums like Steam).

Most big-budget games, unless funded by companies like MS and Sony are going multiplat. In fact, multiplats have been a huge part of this gen, compared to previous gens.

lundy86_4

Yes there are more multiplats this gen but the pc isn't treated as an equal to the 360 and PS3 by publishers. It misses console exclusives like Skate 3 and Red Dead Redemption and when it does get a port there is not guarantee it will be the best version as seen with AC2 and SCC. The pc needs more originals like APB if it wants to keep attracting gamers. It needs to be more than the system that plays a few multiplats and Blizzard games.

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#46 dc337
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PC doesn't have any big exclusive titles for this year? Some people just see what they want to see...

RyuRanVII

So far this year the pc has been in a slump. Of course Starcraft 2 is coming out this year but I'm talking about what has already been released.

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#47 lawlessx
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]AD brings up a good point about this however, in regards to there being no company to rally the developers to produce big-budget games on PC, a la Sony and their 1st party devs, or MS and their "purchasing" of exclusives. However, that's not to say the PC games haven't changed, as we're obviously seeing an increase in multiplats across *all* systems, and many, many more indie games being released (due to mediums like Steam).

Most big-budget games, unless funded by companies like MS and Sony are going multiplat. In fact, multiplats have been a huge part of this gen, compared to previous gens.

dc337

Yes there are more multiplats this gen but the pc isn't treated as an equal to the 360 and PS3 by publishers. It misses console exclusives like Skate 3 and Red Dead Redemption and when it does get a port there is not guarantee it will be the best version as seen with AC2 and SCC. The pc needs more originals like APB if it wants to keep attracting gamers. It needs to be more than the system that plays a few multiplats and Blizzard games.

did you completely ignore that link that was posted afew mins ago? The PC has alot of great games coming out for it :|

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#48 lundy86_4
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]AD brings up a good point about this however, in regards to there being no company to rally the developers to produce big-budget games on PC, a la Sony and their 1st party devs, or MS and their "purchasing" of exclusives. However, that's not to say the PC games haven't changed, as we're obviously seeing an increase in multiplats across *all* systems, and many, many more indie games being released (due to mediums like Steam).

Most big-budget games, unless funded by companies like MS and Sony are going multiplat. In fact, multiplats have been a huge part of this gen, compared to previous gens.

dc337

Yes there are more multiplats this gen but the pc isn't treated as an equal to the 360 and PS3 by publishers. It misses console exclusives like Skate 3 and Red Dead Redemption and when it does get a port there is not guarantee it will be the best version as seen with AC2 and SCC. The pc needs more originals like APB if it wants to keep attracting gamers. It needs to be more than the system that plays a few multiplats and Blizzard games.

Oh absolutely, however publishers and developers are always going to have a least favourite system, and we've seen how many publishers prefer PC with regards to piracy rates (not many).

On the other hand, we still see PC/360 multiplats released, rather than 360/PS3 multiplats, which also goes to show, that to many, the PC is still a more than viable system.

The system plays many games, but lacks in certain genres, just like consoles do. As we've seen, the PC has *many* games coming out for it.

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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]AD brings up a good point about this however, in regards to there being no company to rally the developers to produce big-budget games on PC, a la Sony and their 1st party devs, or MS and their "purchasing" of exclusives. However, that's not to say the PC games haven't changed, as we're obviously seeing an increase in multiplats across *all* systems, and many, many more indie games being released (due to mediums like Steam).

Most big-budget games, unless funded by companies like MS and Sony are going multiplat. In fact, multiplats have been a huge part of this gen, compared to previous gens.

dc337

Yes there are more multiplats this gen but the pc isn't treated as an equal to the 360 and PS3 by publishers. It misses console exclusives like Skate 3 and Red Dead Redemption and when it does get a port there is not guarantee it will be the best version as seen with AC2 and SCC. The pc needs more originals like APB if it wants to keep attracting gamers. It needs to be more than the system that plays a few multiplats and Blizzard games.

I'm inclined to agree with this. PC does need to keep pushing out more original titles. I think the sad thing of it all is how lazy many devs are getting to be when they make a PC port.
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#50 dc337
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The page you see on that list is for 2010 games ONLY.Arach666
No you don't understand. A lot of those games don't have release dates and were on his 2009 list before moving them to 2010. It's a joke actually that he has project offset on there. There is no way it will come out this year.

Here's his original 2009 list, notice Starcraft 2 at the top:
http://forums.gamesforwindows.com/p/799/7788.aspx